The Clinton Campaign's Dirty Trick In Massachusetts

[UglyGreed]

[oldandhappy]

1. Please scribble a note to the DNC

[chillfactor]

2. get over it already..

and stop trying to make excuses why Sanders lost Massachusetts....he lost Hillary won....period

[peacebird]

16. Exactly. She squeaked by w 1%.

[Historic NY]

62. Exactly, and she outpolled the Republicans...

Trump, Cruz, Rubio & Kasich too.

[peacebird]

74. In a state that favors Dems, color me shocked. Her big wins are in states that are RED.

[FighttheFuture]

86. Where it will matter little in the General Election!

[NWCorona]

9. You must not have watched the video then

[Svafa]

20. Even if she had won Massachusetts by a landslide, or if Bernie had won it,

this would still be an issue. Illegal campaigning is unacceptable even if it has a negligible impact on the outcome.

[dlwickham]

79. The Massachusetts election people said he didn't violate any rules

http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/01/politics/bill-clinton-campaigning-polling-place-super-tuesday/index.html#

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

88. You mean the Democrats in the tank for HRC said that?

[truedelphi]

103. May I join you in your laugh...

Of course we really should not be laughing - it was Hillary's buddy Jim Carville that convinced Kerry to shut up and concede the day after the 2004 election.

And thus the people of the USA got another four years of George Porgie.

[bkkyosemite]

27. I've seen three different petitions out there and people are angry.

[desmiller]

36. Chillfactor condones cheating. Check.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

89. And pretty smug, happy, and proud about it!

[sarge43]

39. It's ok if a Clinton does it. Noted. n/t

[artislife]

43. Wow.

You are fully invested in the cult of personality. Why do I say that? Because if George H Bush had done the same thing for his son, you would probably be up in arms. I would. But your precious has her former president relative do this and all is okay.


This is a blaring example of the hypocrisy that runs rampant in the camp weathervane supporters. I swear, you all would follow her no matter what she did. A lot like Trump supporters.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

90. These are unlike any liberals I've ever known. Hard to fathom.

[artislife]

99. The moral highground has just been fracked away. nt

[senz]

95. JUST like Trump supporters.

Mirror images of one another.

This is the sick underbelly of American politics.

[artislife]

98. Yup

[stupidicus]

46. quit changing the subject and just admit you approve

since both have the same result

[PatrynXX]

56. 6000 vote difference if you at the 14,000 votes for OTHER?

what OTHER?? something smells and it generally does ....let the liars eat rotten cake

[SciDude]

63. Yep, just like Bush beat Gore...

We know the narrative already.

[Old Codger]

80. You have it a little mixed up

Sleeze won the most votes I guess but Bernie is the overall winner, Really

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

87. Unbelievable hypocrisy. You should be ashamed.

Hillary will be toast by mid-May.

[seaotter]

3. He should be prosecuted.

[senz]

24. True

and plenty of others agree.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511391195

[erlewyne]

48. The damage is done.

This will put the hurts to Hillary

and the DNC!


In Hoyle we call it "table talk" and those
players are politely never invited to play again.

[restorefreedom]

4. interesting that the only state he went to

is the one where they were close in votes.......

[seaotter]

6. Of course.

[AtheistCrusader]

82. In fairness

That's an expected outcome even if it was wholly legit and above board.

I don't believe for one second that it was legit, but their choice of state to go a-stumping in is totally expected.

[restorefreedom]

84. i wonder also what states he will visit going forward. will be interesting. nt

[Merryland]

5. They can't be allowed to get away with this

[jtuck004]

53. I wish I had a nickel for every time someone has said that since the

Bank$ter's best friend clinton was pres.

[oldandhappy]

8. It is time to start 'noticing' and letting them know what we see -- and mention ethics.

[Alfresco]

10. ...

[comradebillyboy]

28. Perfect

[artislife]

45. Honestly, you are fine with Bill's actions?

As I stated above, if Bush Sr had done the same thing for Bush Jr would it be cool?

If you say yes, then perhaps there is no sanctity of the vote.

[scscholar]

58. Of course they'd be a difference

Their intentions are different.

[Delver Rootnose]

66. Really???

And you know this how?!,

[artislife]

68. Are you joking? Because that is funny

But if you are not, then that is pretty deep in denial.

[alcibiades_mystery]

71. ROFL

[senz]

91. Wonder who will play Hillary in the bioflick

after her big loss?

[Adrahil]

11. Shaking hands! Influenced MEELLIONS! NT

[senz]

25. Locked out of polling places on voting day?

Illegal.

[bkkyosemite]

31. Oh come on! He was on a bull horn less than 150 ft, was IN the polling place and held up voters

for two hours (I'm sure some needed to leave before they voted = disenfranchised), took a pic with a guy holding a ballot, said Hillary's name on that bull horn...just shaking hands the ex President of the United States and the HUSBAND of the candidate running for President...a conflict of interest on top of everything else.

[peacebird]

51. bill also went inside one polling place and said to a voter "pull the lever for Hillary!"

[Spirochete]

60. If he'd herded them in

at gunpoint, one at a time, and made them vote for his wife, the Hillocrites would have still had no problem with it.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

93. You're acting like he would have pulled the trigger

[Dr Hobbitstein]

12. It's a conspiracy!

[UglyGreed]

18. This is a ridiculous

reply since there is videos selfies and such. Of course that is the way one tries to discredit what is a blatant disregard for election laws and voter rights by the Clinton camp and their supporters. Never mind, good old Bill just saw a crowd and decided to see whats up. No intent to campaign for Hillary, he is just a people person...............

[senz]

26. And did it at FOUR different MA polling sites.

http://shows.huffingtonpost.com/video/bill-clinton-visits-four-polling-places-in-massachusetts-on-super-tuesday-519544777

[peacebird]

41. People on twitter complain of being turned away from their polling place so Bill could rally

Hill supporters using a megaphone less than 100' from polling place. Waits of up to 4 hours.

[senz]

47. Sabotaging the vote.

Hellava good American!

[UglyGreed]

65. But not campaigning at

all just out for a jog.............

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[senz]

69. With a bullhorn, of course.

So innocent.

[UglyGreed]

75. Carries it wherever

he goes....... LMFAO!!!!! How stupid of me to think he was trying to help Hillary.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

94. Let's face it- these people are NOT progressives

Regressives, maybe.

[nichomachus]

21. Is that photo from one of Mrs. Clinton's strategy sessions? nt

[artislife]

50. Ethics: No We Can't. I am Hillary Clinton and I approve of this message.

[GardeningGal]

13. Rethinking my stand to vote for the democratic nominee.....

I went into this election thinking that I prefer Sanders but would vote for whoever won the democratic nomination. I'm rethinking that stand given the dirty tricks going on. For the first time since I was eligible to vote (more than 40 years ago), I may sit out the election if Clinton wins.

This type of behavior is intolerable to me.

[Merryland]

15. It is disturbing to the max

It is so much an FU - as someone else pointed out - like "Hey, Bernie supporters, I can get away with ANYTHING, I'm Bill Fucking Clinton.

[Svafa]

32. Yes, this may well backfire.

My mother started out leaning Hillary, then started leaning toward Bernie once she read up on his plans for social security (my grandparents lost a lot when the stock market crashed after 9/11, and they have struggled financially ever since). But after hearing about this disgusting display, she is now solidly in the Bernie camp.

[peacebird]

14. Impede the vote by causing 4 hour long delays? Electioneering InSIDE the polling place?

Illegal!

And some say that Bernis supporters should throw our support to Hillary? Suggest we should "come around"?

With this type slimy, illegal in your face crap being done by her camp?

We roll on to the convention and do our level best to get Bernie the nomination! I suggest we redouble our efforts to get her history out into the public eye!

[senz]

30. Absolutely.

[MisterP]

38. in the immortal words of Daria, is it voter caging yet?

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

17. Yeah, this is really poor. I was campaigning for a low level judge

A few of us were standing too close to the building and were moved. Obviously, doesn't apply to POTUS. Of course, no former president has stooped so low. He gets more unappealing by the day. Billary II is going to be gross.

[NWCorona]

19. "pull the lever for Hillary "?

More and more is coming out.

[tk2kewl]

22. "I especially want to thank those of you supporting Hillary Clinton!" - Bill

"A great president and the husband of a soon-to-be great president!" - New Bedford Mayor

Is he breaking the law?

I guess it depends on your definition of what *is* is, or something?

[NWCorona]

23. So true!

[Svafa]

34. Wow. nt

[senz]

42. Blocking polling locations, hindering voter access.

Illegal, arrogant, elitist. Illegal.

Wonder why he picked a state where the vote was so, so, so close? Just like Florida in 2000.

[onenote]

52. How could he be sure he was only blocking and hindering voters for one particular candidate?

Doesn't seem like a particularly effective strategy for influencing the outcome.

That said, no one should have been electioneering within 150 feet of the polling place (which includes that person holding up the "Bankers for Hillary" sign, although I haven't seen too many calls for that person to be charged with a crime.

[senz]

61. Lower turnout is better for Hillary (and Republicans).

As for the person with the Bankers sign, that person did not tie up traffic and block access to the polling place, did they? That person did not affect the outcome. Furthermore that person only joined the big party-like crowd while the polling place was closed for Bill Clinton. They were displaying their sign as a message to Bill Clinton.

You are telling me all I need to know about you when you have the nerve to compare that person and their little sign with Bill Clinton, a former president who went to FOUR different MA polling places for the purpose of holding up the voting process for hours.

I am glad MY candidate is honest and honorable.

[onenote]

73. Not a logical response

Unless you can show that a significant number of voters were prevented from voting and that the areas where this occurred preferred Sanders over Clinton the idea that lower turnout favored Clinton makes no sense. In an area where Clinton was the preferred candidate, having fewer voters reach the polls hurt her. Thus, for example, one of the Towns where the appearance of Bill Clinton at the polling place is said to have delayed voting is New Bedford. New Bedford went to Clinton by 54.4 -44.3. Which means that there is no reason to think if one hundred voters were somehow denied their right to vote than it did anything other than cost Clinton 54 votes and Sanders 44. Another one of his stops was in Newton, where Clinton got 63 percent of the vote. Again, logic would indicate that if his appearance there prevented voters from voting, it hurt Clinton more than Sanders.

As for whether Clinton's appearance was appropriate, I don't think it was. But excuse me for thinking that it also wasn't appropriate for someone to hold up a sign within 150 feet of the polling place promoting or opposing a particular candidate.

[senz]

76. Shutting down a polling place on election day is bad enough.

I don't care if you consider that "logical" or not. The fact that a crime didn't have a particular effect does not make it any less a crime. If a thief steals your purse, it's doesn't matter whether or not your wallet was in the purse; it's still theft.

Again, I'm glad MY candidate is honest and honorable.

[onenote]

77. It seemed to matter to you a couple of posts ago.

Again, I said it wasn't appropriate. I also disputed suggestions, including yours, that it specifically targeted one candidate. You can't rebut the latter and you've ignored my comment on the former.

[ellennelle]

92. IT'S THE LAW, STUPID!

don't get your shorts in a wad; that was a play on bill's now infamous 'it's the economy, stupid,' which now seems pretty...ironic?

the simple logic is that hillary pulls older, richer voters who can afford to take all that time to vote.

bernie, on the other hand, pulls the youth and blue collar voters who cannot take the time, for working or classes or studying.

that is the karl rove logic, and it has worked like a champ for quite some time.

evidently bill was counting on ...something like that.

and, in doing your math, don't forget that this was not about 'winning' states or precincts or towns. because the delegates are proportionally distributed, every won or lost vote translates into delegates overall.

capisce?

[onenote]

104. IT'S JUST THE MATH, STUPID!

Keep your panties on; that was a play on bill's now famous 'it's the economy stupid" which actually was a pretty smart political position. No irony.

But go ahead and explain how the poster I was responding to claimed first that the bill's act specifically hurt Bernie and then essentially pretended not to have claimed that.

I have repeatedly said what Bill did wasn't appropriate. But those that are making it out to have been specifically designed to hurt Bernie are full of crap.

And your logic doesn't hold. If the vote total in an area split 60/40 for Clinton and a hundred people didn't get to vote, there is no logical basis for assuming anything other than Clinton losing 60 votes statewide and Bernie losing 40. And since Clinton won the state by less than a 60/40 margin, that would hurt her delegate total not his.

[ellennelle]

85. seriously?

please forgive me, i sincerely do not mean to condescend or offend, but you apparently need this explained to you?

he went, with the boston mayor i emphasize, to FOUR different polling places, hanging up the process for SEVERAL HOURS at each location.

are you too young to recall OH in 04? people - esp. those who must work for a living or be in classes - cannot stand around for hours to vote. so, they leave. they DO NOT VOTE!!

this is, as others here have pointed out, a KARL ROVE STRATEGY.

in addition, the point that should be crystal clear is that what bill did yesterday is AGAINST THE LAW. and he knows it.

he waltzed right up to the letter of the law and thumbed his nose at the spirit of it, which is to avoid influencing the votes of voters. (the letter is hardly different.)

why is this so hard to grasp? this is what we should all be insisting on, that each and every one of us gets held to the same standards, no elite exceptions.

when i voted yesterday, i was asked to remove my button, and my buddy was asked to remove his cap. no problem.

IT'S THE LAW!!

i do hope this helps.

[onenote]

105. It was inappropriate. It may or may not have been illegal.

The authorities have indicated it wasn't.
But whether it was or wasn't illegal, you've yet to explain precisely what actual impact it had on the results of the primary.

If it was illegal it was illegal whether or not it had any impact (which is why the sign holder in the picture also also was probably violating the law).

The law doesn't require there to be any showing of harm. Just an act falling within the letter of the law.

But some here seem intent of claiming that one particular candidate was harmed despite the absent of any actual or logical evidence that was the case. It's a gratuitous claim unnecessary to the issue of whether the law was broken.

[mooseprime]

29. let's just go with a modification of the old acronym

IOKIYAC

[marions ghost]

54. good report

K&R

[desmiller]

33. Voter Suppression Clinton Style

[rbrnmw]

35. That didn't happen but please carry on!!!!!!!!!

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[Bubzer]

37. Sure... all those people who were actually there, shouldn't trust their lying eyes...right?

[daleanime]

40. Video is a mass illusion?

[Helen Borg]

44. Do we know that he caused the disruption

in towns that were likely to vote for Bernie?

[Thespian2]

49. Bubba committed illegal acts...

will he or HRH be held accountable? Well, no. Clinton is another way to spell CORRUPTION...the richer you are, the more high profile you are, the less laws apply to you...

The 2016 campaigns, both Demo's and Repugs, show the horrible under belly of America...People in other countries are laughing, laughing, laughing...

[monicaangela]

55. The FBI needs to step up their investigation into the Clinton foundation

I believe a president has a right to give pardons right? These people are trying entirely too hard, pulling out all the stops if you will. Is it national history Hillary wants to make by being the first woman president, or is it something else?

[AzDar]

57. They've learned well from their self-described "Family", the Bushes. Have your family CHEAT

for ya if you're in a tight spot...

[Uncle Joe]

59. CLINTON PRIVILEGE: Bernie backers booted from polling place while Bill campaigns

It pays to have Clinton privilege.

Bernie Sanders backers were seen standing near the same polling location Bill Clinton visited in Massachusetts Tuesday.

The unwashed masses were ordered to campaign farther away from the voting center while the former president glad handed for his wife, Hillary Clinton.

(snip)

Massachusetts state law forbids electioneering with 150 feet of a polling location.

The Bernie Sanders supporters appear to have been correctly told to move away from the voting center.

But Bill? He has Clinton Privilege.

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/clinton-privilege-bernie-backers-booted-from-polling-place-while-bill-campaigns/comment-page-2/

Thanks for the thread, UglyGreed.

[marions ghost]

67. "IS New Bedford Clinton country?" the mayor yells...

Wow--if somebody, no matter who, did this at my polling place, the cops would be called so FAST....

Unreal.

[Leontius]

64. What a crock of shit.

[amborin]

70. they're the elite; laws only apply to the little people

[Enthusiast]

72. That's how they roll.

[silvershadow]

78. one meme I found:

[UglyGreed]

81. LOL

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

96. What, no boney finger wag?

[Codeine]

97. Do you guys download these in bulk from Freerepublic

or just a select few at a time?

[silvershadow]

100. Well we don't stand in a polling place and illegally obstruct the voting hours. nt

[Codeine]

101. So many, many sads. nt

[silvershadow]

102. It certainly was. It was shameful and deliberate. Multiple locations. But that's ok

because why again?

[bbgrunt]

83. K n R!!