I see now - the Indies and Green Party

[asuhornets]

have jumped on the Democratic gravy train posing as Democrats are now threatening to not vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination.

[think]

1. Yep. It's always the voter's fault.....

[casperthegm]

38. Of course it is

Everyone should just be good little sheep. Party above all else, right?

[RobertEarl]

44. How dare we question our shepherds?

They hate us.

[giftedgirl77]

2. All day everyday.

[Stallion]

3. BINGO!!!

take a look at the percentages of registered Democrats supporting Clinton v Sanders in almost every state

[Bjornsdotter]

4. Democratic Gravy Train?

What is that?

[Mufaddal]

8. I think the gravy train makes only one stop for the Dems lately:

The Hillary Victory Fund.

Wait, we were talking about Wall St. and lobbyists, right?

[earthside]

33. That's the Fund that Alice Walton ...

... gave over $350,000 to, right?

Repuglicans seem to love to give money to Hillary ... I wonder why that is?

[tk2kewl]

56. Making stops at Dubai, Washington, DC - K St, New York - Wall St, Madison Ave, Rockefeller Center

All aboard... Please have your Golden Tickets ready for presentation

[revbones]

5. That must be it.

Couldn't be that some people have principles.

[peacebird]

51. Bingo.

[1StrongBlackMan]

6. It's been that since Day One on DU ...

But, it has only recently been deemed acceptable to openly self-identify, as such.

[99th_Monkey]

7. No. They've jumped on the Peace Train. They know the difference. nt

[hobbit709]

9. Since the red baiting didn't work, this must be new kitchen sink.

[nc4bo]

16. I think of it as septic tank overflow. nt

[SheenaR]

10. Democrat here

Been on the train my whole life. Still here. Threatening to look for the most progressive candidate that matches my belief system. My Democratic values do not align with centrists, no matter how popular in the polls that makes a candidate. I am hoping there will be a progressive option in November available

[asuhornets]

19. Hillary is a Progressive...n/t

[marions ghost]

24. Depends on what the meaning of "progressive" is

[Lizzie Poppet]

45. Only if the political scale is determined by Ted Cruz. (nm)

[Armstead]

48. Socially she's sorta progressive. Economically a corporate conservatuve

[asuhornets]

61. How do u know...

she is not economically progressive. I believe she is.

[Armstead]

63. Everything about her...Her campaign supporters and backers, lifelong associations, message....

partnership with Bill, shooting down of single payer, bashing of liberalism as "false hope," support of neoliberal "free trade"......etc.

If you want specifics, details are posted on DU all the time, as well as elsewhere.

She's trying to sound more like Bernie Sanders in the primary, but in the General she'll revert to form.

[greymouse]

55. Hillary is a Progressive like I'm the Queen of Rumania.

[cherokeeprogressive]

59. Hillary is to progressive...

As nylon is to natural.

[SheenaR]

65. I defer to all the above responses n/t

[HooptieWagon]

11. Imagine the huge increase in registered Democrats....

...if the party wasn't RW corporatist controlled. And there would be a bright future for the party will millions of enthusiastic Millenials signing up. DWS and the DNC are pissing away a golden opportunity.

[asuhornets]

20. And what is the golden opportunity?...n/t

[HooptieWagon]

31. Securing a majority of the largest generation.

[asuhornets]

32. Largest generation?

Who might that be?

[HooptieWagon]

37. Millenials outnumber boomers.

GenXers are a distant third. Dems have the opportunity to secure the votes of 80% of an entire generation. Passing that up will prove to be the biggest political blunder in a very long time.

[asuhornets]

40. and your opinion is the only way is for Bernie to win the nomination.n/t

[bettyellen]

57. Why has Bernie failed to motivate these people to vote? I cannot understand the disconnect.

[noiretextatique]

12. You know, there are actually Greens and Independents here

I am one. I usually vote for Democrats national elections. I have been here since about 2002.

[asuhornets]

34. that's the point of the Op...n/t

[noiretextatique]

46. mo...it isn't eom

[whatchamacallit]

39. I'm a democrat who will be registering independent after this fiasco is over

[asuhornets]

41. If some one is Independent,

does that mean they vote Democratic or Republican?

[whatchamacallit]

52. I've voted democratic my whole life

but I now see the party as corrupted and subverted by monied interests, just like the republicans. I don't feel I owe them loyalty because they obviously don't show any to left, so fuck 'em.

[casperthegm]

60. +1

Well said. A candidate should be expected to earn a vote, not expect it simply because of party loyalty. The expectation at DU and overall seems to be that we follow like good little sheep. If we have issues with the record of a candidate who happens to be under investigation, won't release her transcripts, and takes Wall Street money, I don't think it's unreasonable to explore all reasonable candidates who share our general democratic views.

[asuhornets]

62. there is no there there..

Hillary killed them in the Benghazi hearing in which the Repugs repeatedly mentioned the emails.

[whatchamacallit]

66. The thing I hate the most about the right's Benghazi nonsense

is that it provides Clinton sycophants a convenient, lazy, catch-all excuse to deny any and all accusations, regardless of merit.

[asuhornets]

67. yep

thats what they said on fox news

[whatchamacallit]

68. I don't watch fox

Bet you do tho.

[noiretextatique]

13. This seems a tad paranoid to me

But maybe it's just me.

[asuhornets]

21. yeah u r just a tad paranoid...n/t

[noiretextatique]

49. wrong again

didm't you read your op? maybe i misunderstood.

[Kip Humphrey]

14. by Indies, I presume you mean the majority: Independent voters. Are you TRYING to alienate them?

Probably not a great idea, but go right ahead...

[NurseJackie]

17. That's why I no longer care!

[asuhornets]

27. I no longer care either but

It's like if Bernie doesn't win then eff it...I don't understand that.

[NurseJackie]

28. They're doing it to intentionally annoy. Don't let 'em get to you.

[asuhornets]

42. LOL..ok....n/t

[Cheese Sandwich]

18. Ya god forbid we should actually have those people in the party instead of another Nader episode.

[asuhornets]

23. The only way...

it would be a Nader episode is if Bernie decides to run as an independent. Which he will not do..

[Cheese Sandwich]

25. If there is ever going to be another Nader, this is the year

Bernie's supporters are out of control. He can't control them. Surely you must have noticed.

[asuhornets]

29. yes i have noticed it, but..

Bernie will not run as an Independent...

[UglyGreed]

22. Some Republicans did this years

ago that's how we got here.........

[Kittycat]

26. Lol. Early Obama supporter here.

Took the drive to Iowa to knock on doors, and hit up many pcts around here. I was disappointed how right we went after he got in, very upset that he's trying to push TPP through and want nothing to do with keystone, fracking, corporate money in politics. Etc.

You do your candidate no good insulting long time dem party members that have towed the line, and are tired of voting lock step against their interests and beliefs because she wants to drag us further right. And for the record, she will need every Indie and green vote to win. Indies are the largest voting block in the country.

[asuhornets]

30. i'm not insulting long term Democrats..n/t

[Punkingal]

47. Yes, you are. You do it all the time.

[asuhornets]

53. that's a lie...n/t

[Kittycat]

50. In the kindest way...

That is what rhetoric posts like this are doing.

I've been a registered voter for 23 years. I never met a Green, but I know many independents/closet liberals that no longer relate to the party for some of the reasons I shared above. I know other Indies that don't want to identify because they have their set beliefs and it's easier to deflect from the nonsense in what has become a tit for tat, my way or else, political environment. I think our party leaders need to wake up and examine themselves as to why we are losing seats and voters. After this round, I'm not sure I want to identify as a democrat - but it won't be because I left my party, my party left me a long time ago.

[Matariki]

35. Well, it beats Republicans posing as Democrats

I'm sure you'll agree.

[asuhornets]

43. I agree....n/t

[TSIAS]

36. I'm riding the Democratic gravy train

And all I'll get for it is a mediocre general election candidate.

[asuhornets]

64. She may suprise you...nt

[merrily]

54. It's unbelievable, but maybe someone will buy it. Go with that!

[Thinkingabout]

58. Some of the posters claiming not to support the DNC nominee is questionable.

[Skwmom]

69. The Democratic Party sure has become one big gravy train hasn't it? nt

[RiverLover]

70. My first vote was Bill Clinton. Always voted Dem. Its just who I am...now was.

I worked with Moveon in 2008 to elect Obama.

Now, "Proud Democrat" no more. Blinders are off.

I'll be jumping off the train wreck, too. Probably land with the Green Party. They're more in line with FDR than this corporate bought & paid for party anyways. They back a corrupt candidate, & sabotage the only decent one running? Says it all.

I'd like to see MoveOn & DFA & Working Families Party start a new party. Pull the Greens in.

I think it would be a tremendous success.

Just dreaming now...

[OZi]

71. I'm right there with you.

The party leaders have been getting drunk off the Washington gravy train and taking my vote for granted for far too long now.

How will they ever learn to change their behavior if I keep being an enabler?

[PonyUp]

72. Gravy train = A situation where you can make lots of money with very little effort.

That's Hillary to a T!