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Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:16 PM

"A real liberal revolution starts with communities of color," by kos

Definitely worth a read, in the light of discussions about this issue on DU.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/2/1494621/-A-real-liberal-revolution-starts-with-communities-of-color

Excerpts:

Despite all of Bernie Sandersí laudable successes, heís been hamstrung by his consistent inability to make inroads in communities of color. It was the basis of my original ďdemographic ceilingĒ thesis, which I had pegged at 30 percent. He exceeded that, but getting to 38 percent is cold comfort to those who wanted to see a real movement blossom. And the early state results bear it out: You do not build a liberal movement by bringing together white people, then hoping that people of color come along for the ride. You start with those communities of color.

And as the early state results make clear, that never happened....

1) You donít try to impose your framing and issues on people who have different priorities....

2) You donít become resentful of other groups when they donít follow along. The ugliest part of this primary campaign has been the accusation that certain Democratic voters donít matter, especially since those voters being dismissed are disproportionately brown and black....

3) Everyone is on the same page from the beginning. Related to the above, I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices? Itís beyond cringe-inducing. Itís deeply disturbing....

4) You will be more effective. Bottom line, no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed when 40 percent of Democrats are people of color. And people of color will be reluctant to join a movement led by little-known whites. History has made us justifiably suspicious of the Great White Savior. So building from the ground up, with full inclusion of people of color in leadership, will allow for a broad-based coalition that can have the numbers to topple the system. Because you know what, screaming at people of color about the oligarchy and corrupt Clinton really isnít doing anyone or any movement any favors.

So why am I harping on this? Because I want to build an effective movement, and the Sanders campaign didnít prove to be an effective vehicle for it. Yet the goal is one worth pursuing, so we need that movement.

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Reply "A real liberal revolution starts with communities of color," by kos (Original post)
Koinos Mar 2016 OP
whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #1
Vattel Mar 2016 #2
bravenak Mar 2016 #3
NurseJackie Mar 2016 #5
bravenak Mar 2016 #6
Koinos Mar 2016 #10
bravenak Mar 2016 #11
JaneyVee Mar 2016 #14
bravenak Mar 2016 #15
ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #21
bravenak Mar 2016 #22
ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #26
wildeyed Mar 2016 #28
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #41
ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #16
thereismore Mar 2016 #4
bravenak Mar 2016 #8
ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #17
bravenak Mar 2016 #35
wildeyed Mar 2016 #31
bravenak Mar 2016 #34
Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #7
Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #9
islandmkl Mar 2016 #12
Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #13
Armstead Mar 2016 #43
BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #18
Armstead Mar 2016 #44
BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #60
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #54
EffieBlack Mar 2016 #19
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #20
bettyellen Mar 2016 #23
Armstead Mar 2016 #45
bettyellen Mar 2016 #46
ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #25
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #27
ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #32
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #38
ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #47
wildeyed Mar 2016 #37
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #40
wildeyed Mar 2016 #51
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #52
wildeyed Mar 2016 #58
Armstead Mar 2016 #49
wildeyed Mar 2016 #56
TheProgressive Mar 2016 #24
onecaliberal Mar 2016 #29
Armstead Mar 2016 #50
Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #30
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #42
Ken Burch Mar 2016 #33
haikugal Mar 2016 #36
wildeyed Mar 2016 #39
1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #48
GeorgeGist Mar 2016 #53
That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #55
grossproffit Mar 2016 #57
Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #59

Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:17 PM

1. There are many conservative POC

so once again Kos floats an air biscuit.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:20 PM

2. more of the same nonsense. it is nonstop. must be working though.

 

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:31 PM

3. I tried to explain this...

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:36 PM

5. You did ... often ... and very eloquently too ...

... they just didn't want to hear it, and wanted to silence you for saying it.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:38 PM

6. Welp. It is what it is.

 

This thing is pretty much done with and we can get focused on winning in November!

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Response to bravenak (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:10 PM

10. Absolutely.

And working on senate and house races as well.

I appreciate all you have done and said, bravenak.

And bigtree hit the nail on the head today.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:12 PM

11. Yeah, I agree.

 

We need the house and senate back. And bigtree was totally on point.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #6)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:35 PM

14. Yeah Im enjoying your writing and perspective as well.

 

I may have to join u over at kos.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:03 PM

15. You should come.

 

We are less outnumbered. Still way lopsided but not as bad.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:23 PM

21. I've posted twice now

I need to remember to go over there

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:25 PM

22. Whenever I post I'll start putting the links on hcs

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:02 PM

26. That would be helpful!

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:05 PM

28. I just joined

after sooooo many years of not quite getting around to it. But that post just put me over the top. At least there is a vision there of inclusion, even if the reality has not caught up.

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Response to NurseJackie (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:24 PM

41. "They just didn't want to hear it" ...

 

As evidenced by posts #1 and 2.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:05 PM

16. Over and over you did

Well it's time to reap what's been sown. You did try.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:33 PM

4. What?? I don't care where it starts and this shit is bugging. We all count! I am sick of this color

baiting.

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Response to thereismore (Reply #4)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:39 PM

8. Color baiting?

 

Oh, that is RICH!!! Love this this is hilarous.

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Response to bravenak (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:06 PM

17. Hella funny

In that ironical kind of way...

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:12 PM

35. Too true!

 

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Response to bravenak (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:09 PM

31. All colors matter!!!!!!

Make me want a new box of there

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #31)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:11 PM

34. It getting funny in here

 

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:39 PM

7. LOL at "liberal revolution"*

 


*in context of USA

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 06:41 PM

9. k&r

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:16 PM

12. apparently, that "real liberal revolution" line forms over there...

over there to the RIGHT, behind Hillary...over there, where her logo arrow is pointing...

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:32 PM

13. Great read. Now that it's pretty much over, Bernie deserves some credit.

He elevated some really important issues, but simply never had a clue how to build a real movement. I have faith that HRC will be a better candidate because of him, and hopefully someone a little more politically astute can pick up where he left off after he ultimately leaves the race.

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Response to Bleacher Creature (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:28 PM

43. No he only started from nothing and built a national campaign that has....

 

...galvanized at least one-quarter to one-half of the electorate behind a progressive vision.

he (and we) are up against a huge entrenched machine, so yeah, he might not get the brass ring.

But "doesn't know how to build a movement" is a totally ridiculous statement.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:07 PM

18. "impose your framing and issues on people who have different priorities"

That pretty much sums it up.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:30 PM

44. I have yet to meet anyone whose priorities do not include things like....

 

a decent income, food, housing, medical care, etc.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 3, 2016, 05:33 AM

60. But the difference is

one group gets the pleasure of having an extra hurdle to leap over that blocks us from obtaining these things like others, based solely on the color of our skin or our ancestry, when our "external color" belies our racial/genetic/ethnic heritage.

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Response to BumRushDaShow (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:51 PM

54. Sure, but if their priorities are so much at variance with my own...

 

...why on earth would I not view them as political opponents, instead of allies? Everyone has the right to advance their own political causes. Everyone.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:10 PM

19. This is dead spot on

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:23 PM

20. Race-baiting twaddle.

 

I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices?


I'm a progressive. As such, I question anyone who isn't a member of the financial elite when they make political choices that are not progressive. Anyone. People of color don't get a pass. No one does. If someone finds that "offensive," then they should realize that I consider being told to apply a race filter to my assessment of political choices and actions to be offensive (and they will be succinctly instricted to go fuck themselves).

Every member of a free and democratic society has the right to ask for a justification of another citizen's political actions (although not the right to an answer...the person questioned has every right to tell them to piss off).

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:51 PM

23. yet when told to "piss off" again and again, the harassment of women, of black voters continues....

 

along with the insults. You may feel really good about yourself for it, but are basically just spinning your wheels.
It is what it is.

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Response to bettyellen (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:31 PM

45. It's called a political campaign

 

They tend to be relentless by nature, until the campaign is over.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #45)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:34 PM

46. It's also called shooting yourself in the foot. I don't take any of it personally, but wow I know a

 

few people who dislike me because I refuse to hate someone. Oh well!

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:01 PM

25. I'm a progressive and Hillary Clinton is the progressive choice

Sorry.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #25)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:04 PM

27. Not by any political scale not skewed sharply to the right.

 

Although you may have a point in today's spectacularly right-wing America...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:10 PM

32. Yawn

Wrong.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #32)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:21 PM

38. Sparkling refutation.

 

Thanks for the heads-up, though. You have a nice life, m'kay?

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #38)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:35 PM

47. Not interested in "sparkling"

Just want to keep a thread kicked on an important topic. Thank you for your help.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:21 PM

37. Social skills, people.

They are your friend Because democracy is basically a popularity contest.

How is being asked to apply a filter of race to a discussion of race offensive to you? There is no way to have that discussion without a filter. Seems as though you have simply decided that your feelings and opinions on the matter are more important. But of course, that is your privilege, right?

And the voters clearly and succinctly did tell some people to "piss off". How's that working for you?

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:23 PM

40. Interesting interpretation of my statements.

 

Completely off-target as to what I've "decided," but interesting, to be sure...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #40)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:44 PM

51. Total whiff.....



Next batter up! Who wants some? HEY, BATTER BATTER

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #51)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:47 PM

52. Awesome projection!

 

One for the ages, in fact...

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #52)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:32 PM

58. Another swing and a miss!

Two strikes! One more and OUT! (Hint, try an answer that is more than vague accusations and innuendo.)

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Response to wildeyed (Reply #37)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:37 PM

49. I find discussions of universal issues being sidetracked problematic

 

Race is crucial as an issue. No argument from me.

But there also issues that have less to do with race than of class, economic circumstances and the larger concentration of power and the relationship of the population to government.

We have not a acknowledged those issues to any great extent. That is what Sanders has brought out into the open.

When the middle class, working poor and unemployed poor are being collectively screwed regardless of race creed or color, unifying and pulling together on the basis of shared self-interest is also vital.

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Response to Armstead (Reply #49)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:05 PM

56. Deal with issues of race first,

particularly ballot access and civil right, and the economic circumstance improves automatically. Because once you free that vote, the conservative swing voters and old Dixiecrat types become irrelevant. We have the numbers to simply overwhelm them at the ballot box. THAT will be a true revolution

Please note that I have seen this work in my state and in my city. We got some of the best campaign finance reform legislation IN THE COUNTRY passed here in NC on the back of the Fusion coalition. Until 2010 midterms when the Dems decided they were too bored and uninspired to show up to vote and we got redistricted by the GOP

It IS incremental change, and hard-ass work, which many Sanders peeps seem not to understand. It is activist led. Only activists can stay true to principles. Politicians always compromise. ALWAYS. And it has to be a TRUE coalition. POC have to be part of the leadership and planning from go.

And within the Fusion movement, all of the issues you mention ARE addressed and thought about. Y'all just need to pay better attention.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:58 PM

24. Sorry, a real liberal revolution means everyone is involved...

 

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:05 PM

29. Newsflash: real liberal revolutions are NOT funded by corporations.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #29)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:38 PM

50. Bingo

 

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:05 PM

30. "... no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed..." Hillary isn't White?

 

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #30)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:24 PM

42. Well, that's only half of "white liberal."

 

If you get my meaning...

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:11 PM

33. Obviously, POC are needed in any real movement for change.

 

But article this makes it sound as if the Sanders campaign didn't try to or want to include POC. We always did. We still want to achieve that.

None of us ever said "we can do this as whites-only and we won't even try to get anybody else".

Bernie's campaign was last-minute in many respects. Unlike his main rival, he hadn't been planning to run for president for at least 25 years by the time he did run.

If there was a POC candidate or a woman who was willing to run on the same program, we would all have supported THAT candidate.

As it turned out, there wasn't.

The choice was for Bernie to run, or to have no one progressive in the race at all this year.

We couldn't have been true to our principles and just accepted HRC without a fight. To do that would have been to give up on working for any significant change, now and forever.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:17 PM

36. More devisive crap. nt

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:22 PM

39. Great article.

Thanks for posting.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:37 PM

48. Great article; but, wasted on the *REAL* and *TRUE* revolutionaries.

 

I think it's clear ... the *REAL* and *TRUE* revolutionaries, as represented by DU, are only interested in a revolution that they lead/control ... which doesn't bode well for anyone but them.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:47 PM

53. Hillary will never wage a war on greed.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:56 PM

55. More selective editing?

 

...whatever it takes I guess

3) Everyone is on the same page from the beginning. Related to the above, I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices? Itís beyond cringe-inducing. Itís deeply disturbing. And I realize that most people doing that arenít coming at it from a racial standpoint, but thatís the way itís received.

So if you build the movement with maximum inclusiveness from day one, everyone can be on the same page and avoid those ugly moments.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:06 PM

57. I said this the other day.."there will be no revolution w/o people of color."

I also added "take them for granted at your own peril."

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Response to grossproffit (Reply #57)

Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:40 PM

59. That's a reasonable point...but a different one from the OP.

 

That nonsensical outburst stated that it must "begin with people of color"...which is a steaming load. Anyone can start a revolution...

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