2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum"A real liberal revolution starts with communities of color," by kos
Definitely worth a read, in the light of discussions about this issue on DU.
http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/2/1494621/-A-real-liberal-revolution-starts-with-communities-of-color
Excerpts:
And as the early state results make clear, that never happened....
1) You dont try to impose your framing and issues on people who have different priorities....
2) You dont become resentful of other groups when they dont follow along. The ugliest part of this primary campaign has been the accusation that certain Democratic voters dont matter, especially since those voters being dismissed are disproportionately brown and black....
3) Everyone is on the same page from the beginning. Related to the above, I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices? Its beyond cringe-inducing. Its deeply disturbing....
4) You will be more effective. Bottom line, no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed when 40 percent of Democrats are people of color. And people of color will be reluctant to join a movement led by little-known whites. History has made us justifiably suspicious of the Great White Savior. So building from the ground up, with full inclusion of people of color in leadership, will allow for a broad-based coalition that can have the numbers to topple the system. Because you know what, screaming at people of color about the oligarchy and corrupt Clinton really isnt doing anyone or any movement any favors.
So why am I harping on this? Because I want to build an effective movement, and the Sanders campaign didnt prove to be an effective vehicle for it. Yet the goal is one worth pursuing, so we need that movement.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)so once again Kos floats an air biscuit.
Vattel
(9,289 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... they just didn't want to hear it, and wanted to silence you for saying it.
Go, Hillary! We love you!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)This thing is pretty much done with and we can get focused on winning in November!
Koinos
(2,792 posts)And working on senate and house races as well.
I appreciate all you have done and said, bravenak.
And bigtree hit the nail on the head today.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We need the house and senate back. And bigtree was totally on point.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I may have to join u over at kos.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)We are less outnumbered. Still way lopsided but not as bad.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)I need to remember to go over there
bravenak
(34,648 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)after sooooo many years of not quite getting around to it. But that post just put me over the top. At least there is a vision there of inclusion, even if the reality has not caught up.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)As evidenced by posts #1 and 2.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Well it's time to reap what's been sown. You did try.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)baiting.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Oh, that is RICH!!! Love this this is hilarous.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)In that ironical kind of way...
bravenak
(34,648 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Make me want a new box of there
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)*in context of USA
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)islandmkl
(5,275 posts)over there to the RIGHT, behind Hillary...over there, where her logo arrow is pointing...
Bleacher Creature
(11,256 posts)He elevated some really important issues, but simply never had a clue how to build a real movement. I have faith that HRC will be a better candidate because of him, and hopefully someone a little more politically astute can pick up where he left off after he ultimately leaves the race.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)...galvanized at least one-quarter to one-half of the electorate behind a progressive vision.
he (and we) are up against a huge entrenched machine, so yeah, he might not get the brass ring.
But "doesn't know how to build a movement" is a totally ridiculous statement.
BumRushDaShow
(128,845 posts)That pretty much sums it up.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)a decent income, food, housing, medical care, etc.
BumRushDaShow
(128,845 posts)one group gets the pleasure of having an extra hurdle to leap over that blocks us from obtaining these things like others, based solely on the color of our skin or our ancestry, when our "external color" belies our racial/genetic/ethnic heritage.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)...why on earth would I not view them as political opponents, instead of allies? Everyone has the right to advance their own political causes. Everyone.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I'm a progressive. As such, I question anyone who isn't a member of the financial elite when they make political choices that are not progressive. Anyone. People of color don't get a pass. No one does. If someone finds that "offensive," then they should realize that I consider being told to apply a race filter to my assessment of political choices and actions to be offensive (and they will be succinctly instricted to go fuck themselves).
Every member of a free and democratic society has the right to ask for a justification of another citizen's political actions (although not the right to an answer...the person questioned has every right to tell them to piss off).
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)along with the insults. You may feel really good about yourself for it, but are basically just spinning your wheels.
It is what it is.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)They tend to be relentless by nature, until the campaign is over.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)few people who dislike me because I refuse to hate someone. Oh well!
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Sorry.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Although you may have a point in today's spectacularly right-wing America...
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Wrong.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Thanks for the heads-up, though. You have a nice life, m'kay?
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Just want to keep a thread kicked on an important topic. Thank you for your help.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)They are your friend Because democracy is basically a popularity contest.
How is being asked to apply a filter of race to a discussion of race offensive to you? There is no way to have that discussion without a filter. Seems as though you have simply decided that your feelings and opinions on the matter are more important. But of course, that is your privilege, right?
And the voters clearly and succinctly did tell some people to "piss off". How's that working for you?
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Completely off-target as to what I've "decided," but interesting, to be sure...
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Next batter up! Who wants some? HEY, BATTER BATTER
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)One for the ages, in fact...
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Two strikes! One more and OUT! (Hint, try an answer that is more than vague accusations and innuendo.)
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Race is crucial as an issue. No argument from me.
But there also issues that have less to do with race than of class, economic circumstances and the larger concentration of power and the relationship of the population to government.
We have not a acknowledged those issues to any great extent. That is what Sanders has brought out into the open.
When the middle class, working poor and unemployed poor are being collectively screwed regardless of race creed or color, unifying and pulling together on the basis of shared self-interest is also vital.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)particularly ballot access and civil right, and the economic circumstance improves automatically. Because once you free that vote, the conservative swing voters and old Dixiecrat types become irrelevant. We have the numbers to simply overwhelm them at the ballot box. THAT will be a true revolution
Please note that I have seen this work in my state and in my city. We got some of the best campaign finance reform legislation IN THE COUNTRY passed here in NC on the back of the Fusion coalition. Until 2010 midterms when the Dems decided they were too bored and uninspired to show up to vote and we got redistricted by the GOP
It IS incremental change, and hard-ass work, which many Sanders peeps seem not to understand. It is activist led. Only activists can stay true to principles. Politicians always compromise. ALWAYS. And it has to be a TRUE coalition. POC have to be part of the leadership and planning from go.
And within the Fusion movement, all of the issues you mention ARE addressed and thought about. Y'all just need to pay better attention.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)If you get my meaning...
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)But article this makes it sound as if the Sanders campaign didn't try to or want to include POC. We always did. We still want to achieve that.
None of us ever said "we can do this as whites-only and we won't even try to get anybody else".
Bernie's campaign was last-minute in many respects. Unlike his main rival, he hadn't been planning to run for president for at least 25 years by the time he did run.
If there was a POC candidate or a woman who was willing to run on the same program, we would all have supported THAT candidate.
As it turned out, there wasn't.
The choice was for Bernie to run, or to have no one progressive in the race at all this year.
We couldn't have been true to our principles and just accepted HRC without a fight. To do that would have been to give up on working for any significant change, now and forever.
haikugal
(6,476 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)Thanks for posting.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)I think it's clear ... the *REAL* and *TRUE* revolutionaries, as represented by DU, are only interested in a revolution that they lead/control ... which doesn't bode well for anyone but them.
GeorgeGist
(25,319 posts)That Guy 888
(1,214 posts)...whatever it takes I guess
So if you build the movement with maximum inclusiveness from day one, everyone can be on the same page and avoid those ugly moments.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)I also added "take them for granted at your own peril."
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That nonsensical outburst stated that it must "begin with people of color"...which is a steaming load. Anyone can start a revolution...