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Koinos

(2,792 posts)
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:16 PM Mar 2016

"A real liberal revolution starts with communities of color," by kos

Definitely worth a read, in the light of discussions about this issue on DU.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/2/1494621/-A-real-liberal-revolution-starts-with-communities-of-color

Excerpts:

Despite all of Bernie Sanders’ laudable successes, he’s been hamstrung by his consistent inability to make inroads in communities of color. It was the basis of my original “demographic ceiling” thesis, which I had pegged at 30 percent. He exceeded that, but getting to 38 percent is cold comfort to those who wanted to see a real movement blossom. And the early state results bear it out: You do not build a liberal movement by bringing together white people, then hoping that people of color come along for the ride. You start with those communities of color.

And as the early state results make clear, that never happened....

1) You don’t try to impose your framing and issues on people who have different priorities....

2) You don’t become resentful of other groups when they don’t follow along. The ugliest part of this primary campaign has been the accusation that certain Democratic voters don’t matter, especially since those voters being dismissed are disproportionately brown and black....

3) Everyone is on the same page from the beginning. Related to the above, I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices? It’s beyond cringe-inducing. It’s deeply disturbing....

4) You will be more effective. Bottom line, no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed when 40 percent of Democrats are people of color. And people of color will be reluctant to join a movement led by little-known whites. History has made us justifiably suspicious of the Great White Savior. So building from the ground up, with full inclusion of people of color in leadership, will allow for a broad-based coalition that can have the numbers to topple the system. Because you know what, screaming at people of color about the oligarchy and corrupt Clinton really isn’t doing anyone or any movement any favors.

So why am I harping on this? Because I want to build an effective movement, and the Sanders campaign didn’t prove to be an effective vehicle for it. Yet the goal is one worth pursuing, so we need that movement.
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"A real liberal revolution starts with communities of color," by kos (Original Post) Koinos Mar 2016 OP
There are many conservative POC whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #1
more of the same nonsense. it is nonstop. must be working though. Vattel Mar 2016 #2
I tried to explain this... bravenak Mar 2016 #3
You did ... often ... and very eloquently too ... NurseJackie Mar 2016 #5
Welp. It is what it is. bravenak Mar 2016 #6
Absolutely. Koinos Mar 2016 #10
Yeah, I agree. bravenak Mar 2016 #11
Yeah Im enjoying your writing and perspective as well. JaneyVee Mar 2016 #14
You should come. bravenak Mar 2016 #15
I've posted twice now ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #21
Whenever I post I'll start putting the links on hcs bravenak Mar 2016 #22
That would be helpful! ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #26
I just joined wildeyed Mar 2016 #28
"They just didn't want to hear it" ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #41
Over and over you did ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #16
What?? I don't care where it starts and this shit is bugging. We all count! I am sick of this color thereismore Mar 2016 #4
Color baiting? bravenak Mar 2016 #8
Hella funny ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #17
Too true! bravenak Mar 2016 #35
All colors matter!!!!!! wildeyed Mar 2016 #31
It getting funny in here bravenak Mar 2016 #34
LOL at "liberal revolution"* Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #7
k&r Starry Messenger Mar 2016 #9
apparently, that "real liberal revolution" line forms over there... islandmkl Mar 2016 #12
Great read. Now that it's pretty much over, Bernie deserves some credit. Bleacher Creature Mar 2016 #13
No he only started from nothing and built a national campaign that has.... Armstead Mar 2016 #43
"impose your framing and issues on people who have different priorities" BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #18
I have yet to meet anyone whose priorities do not include things like.... Armstead Mar 2016 #44
But the difference is BumRushDaShow Mar 2016 #60
Sure, but if their priorities are so much at variance with my own... Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #54
This is dead spot on EffieBlack Mar 2016 #19
Race-baiting twaddle. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #20
yet when told to "piss off" again and again, the harassment of women, of black voters continues.... bettyellen Mar 2016 #23
It's called a political campaign Armstead Mar 2016 #45
It's also called shooting yourself in the foot. I don't take any of it personally, but wow I know a bettyellen Mar 2016 #46
I'm a progressive and Hillary Clinton is the progressive choice ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #25
Not by any political scale not skewed sharply to the right. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #27
Yawn ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #32
Sparkling refutation. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #38
Not interested in "sparkling" ismnotwasm Mar 2016 #47
Social skills, people. wildeyed Mar 2016 #37
Interesting interpretation of my statements. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #40
Total whiff..... wildeyed Mar 2016 #51
Awesome projection! Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #52
Another swing and a miss! wildeyed Mar 2016 #58
I find discussions of universal issues being sidetracked problematic Armstead Mar 2016 #49
Deal with issues of race first, wildeyed Mar 2016 #56
Sorry, a real liberal revolution means everyone is involved... TheProgressive Mar 2016 #24
Newsflash: real liberal revolutions are NOT funded by corporations. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #29
Bingo Armstead Mar 2016 #50
"... no white-dominated liberal movement will succeed..." Hillary isn't White? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #30
Well, that's only half of "white liberal." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #42
Obviously, POC are needed in any real movement for change. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #33
More devisive crap. nt haikugal Mar 2016 #36
Great article. wildeyed Mar 2016 #39
Great article; but, wasted on the *REAL* and *TRUE* revolutionaries. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2016 #48
Hillary will never wage a war on greed. GeorgeGist Mar 2016 #53
More selective editing? That Guy 888 Mar 2016 #55
I said this the other day.."there will be no revolution w/o people of color." grossproffit Mar 2016 #57
That's a reasonable point...but a different one from the OP. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #59

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
5. You did ... often ... and very eloquently too ...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

... they just didn't want to hear it, and wanted to silence you for saying it.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

 

bravenak

(34,648 posts)
6. Welp. It is what it is.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

This thing is pretty much done with and we can get focused on winning in November!

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
10. Absolutely.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:10 PM
Mar 2016

And working on senate and house races as well.

I appreciate all you have done and said, bravenak.

And bigtree hit the nail on the head today.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
28. I just joined
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

after sooooo many years of not quite getting around to it. But that post just put me over the top. At least there is a vision there of inclusion, even if the reality has not caught up.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
4. What?? I don't care where it starts and this shit is bugging. We all count! I am sick of this color
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 07:33 PM
Mar 2016

baiting.

islandmkl

(5,275 posts)
12. apparently, that "real liberal revolution" line forms over there...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:16 PM
Mar 2016

over there to the RIGHT, behind Hillary...over there, where her logo arrow is pointing...

Bleacher Creature

(11,256 posts)
13. Great read. Now that it's pretty much over, Bernie deserves some credit.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

He elevated some really important issues, but simply never had a clue how to build a real movement. I have faith that HRC will be a better candidate because of him, and hopefully someone a little more politically astute can pick up where he left off after he ultimately leaves the race.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
43. No he only started from nothing and built a national campaign that has....
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016

...galvanized at least one-quarter to one-half of the electorate behind a progressive vision.

he (and we) are up against a huge entrenched machine, so yeah, he might not get the brass ring.

But "doesn't know how to build a movement" is a totally ridiculous statement.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
44. I have yet to meet anyone whose priorities do not include things like....
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:30 PM
Mar 2016

a decent income, food, housing, medical care, etc.

BumRushDaShow

(128,845 posts)
60. But the difference is
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:33 AM
Mar 2016

one group gets the pleasure of having an extra hurdle to leap over that blocks us from obtaining these things like others, based solely on the color of our skin or our ancestry, when our "external color" belies our racial/genetic/ethnic heritage.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
54. Sure, but if their priorities are so much at variance with my own...
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:51 PM
Mar 2016

...why on earth would I not view them as political opponents, instead of allies? Everyone has the right to advance their own political causes. Everyone.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
20. Race-baiting twaddle.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016
I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices?


I'm a progressive. As such, I question anyone who isn't a member of the financial elite when they make political choices that are not progressive. Anyone. People of color don't get a pass. No one does. If someone finds that "offensive," then they should realize that I consider being told to apply a race filter to my assessment of political choices and actions to be offensive (and they will be succinctly instricted to go fuck themselves).

Every member of a free and democratic society has the right to ask for a justification of another citizen's political actions (although not the right to an answer...the person questioned has every right to tell them to piss off).
 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
23. yet when told to "piss off" again and again, the harassment of women, of black voters continues....
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

along with the insults. You may feel really good about yourself for it, but are basically just spinning your wheels.
It is what it is.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
45. It's called a political campaign
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:31 PM
Mar 2016

They tend to be relentless by nature, until the campaign is over.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
46. It's also called shooting yourself in the foot. I don't take any of it personally, but wow I know a
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:34 PM
Mar 2016

few people who dislike me because I refuse to hate someone. Oh well!

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
27. Not by any political scale not skewed sharply to the right.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

Although you may have a point in today's spectacularly right-wing America...

ismnotwasm

(41,976 posts)
47. Not interested in "sparkling"
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:35 PM
Mar 2016

Just want to keep a thread kicked on an important topic. Thank you for your help.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
37. Social skills, people.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:21 PM
Mar 2016

They are your friend Because democracy is basically a popularity contest.

How is being asked to apply a filter of race to a discussion of race offensive to you? There is no way to have that discussion without a filter. Seems as though you have simply decided that your feelings and opinions on the matter are more important. But of course, that is your privilege, right?

And the voters clearly and succinctly did tell some people to "piss off". How's that working for you?

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
40. Interesting interpretation of my statements.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:23 PM
Mar 2016

Completely off-target as to what I've "decided," but interesting, to be sure...

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
58. Another swing and a miss!
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:32 PM
Mar 2016

Two strikes! One more and OUT! (Hint, try an answer that is more than vague accusations and innuendo.)

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
49. I find discussions of universal issues being sidetracked problematic
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

Race is crucial as an issue. No argument from me.

But there also issues that have less to do with race than of class, economic circumstances and the larger concentration of power and the relationship of the population to government.

We have not a acknowledged those issues to any great extent. That is what Sanders has brought out into the open.

When the middle class, working poor and unemployed poor are being collectively screwed regardless of race creed or color, unifying and pulling together on the basis of shared self-interest is also vital.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
56. Deal with issues of race first,
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:05 PM
Mar 2016

particularly ballot access and civil right, and the economic circumstance improves automatically. Because once you free that vote, the conservative swing voters and old Dixiecrat types become irrelevant. We have the numbers to simply overwhelm them at the ballot box. THAT will be a true revolution

Please note that I have seen this work in my state and in my city. We got some of the best campaign finance reform legislation IN THE COUNTRY passed here in NC on the back of the Fusion coalition. Until 2010 midterms when the Dems decided they were too bored and uninspired to show up to vote and we got redistricted by the GOP

It IS incremental change, and hard-ass work, which many Sanders peeps seem not to understand. It is activist led. Only activists can stay true to principles. Politicians always compromise. ALWAYS. And it has to be a TRUE coalition. POC have to be part of the leadership and planning from go.

And within the Fusion movement, all of the issues you mention ARE addressed and thought about. Y'all just need to pay better attention.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
33. Obviously, POC are needed in any real movement for change.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:11 PM
Mar 2016

But article this makes it sound as if the Sanders campaign didn't try to or want to include POC. We always did. We still want to achieve that.

None of us ever said "we can do this as whites-only and we won't even try to get anybody else".

Bernie's campaign was last-minute in many respects. Unlike his main rival, he hadn't been planning to run for president for at least 25 years by the time he did run.

If there was a POC candidate or a woman who was willing to run on the same program, we would all have supported THAT candidate.

As it turned out, there wasn't.

The choice was for Bernie to run, or to have no one progressive in the race at all this year.

We couldn't have been true to our principles and just accepted HRC without a fight. To do that would have been to give up on working for any significant change, now and forever.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
48. Great article; but, wasted on the *REAL* and *TRUE* revolutionaries.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:37 PM
Mar 2016

I think it's clear ... the *REAL* and *TRUE* revolutionaries, as represented by DU, are only interested in a revolution that they lead/control ... which doesn't bode well for anyone but them.

 

That Guy 888

(1,214 posts)
55. More selective editing?
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 10:56 PM
Mar 2016

...whatever it takes I guess

3) Everyone is on the same page from the beginning. Related to the above, I cringe every time I see a white progressive demanding that black or Latino voters explain their support for Hillary Clinton. Do you not realize how horrible that looks, and how offensive that is, that white people are demanding that people of color justify their choices? It’s beyond cringe-inducing. It’s deeply disturbing. And I realize that most people doing that aren’t coming at it from a racial standpoint, but that’s the way it’s received.

So if you build the movement with maximum inclusiveness from day one, everyone can be on the same page and avoid those ugly moments.

grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
57. I said this the other day.."there will be no revolution w/o people of color."
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:06 PM
Mar 2016

I also added "take them for granted at your own peril."

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
59. That's a reasonable point...but a different one from the OP.
Wed Mar 2, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

That nonsensical outburst stated that it must "begin with people of color"...which is a steaming load. Anyone can start a revolution...

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