Bernie Sanders may not have won Colorado after all

[TexasTowelie]

Bernie Sanders beat Hillary Clinton by a margin of 19 percentage points in Colorado caucus straw polls this week, but the delegate count is starting to tell a different story.

Clinton now looks likely to tie the Vermont senator 38-38 in the state's delegate count, according to projections from The Denver Post, Bloomberg Politics and The Associated Press. That includes a potential 38-28 split in Sanders' favor in projections based on Tuesday's preference poll results, plus 10 superdelegates (out of 12) who have committed to Clinton, the former secretary of state.

The potential for a split decision or worse for Sanders stands in stark contrast to celebrations by his supporters across Colorado on Tuesday night.

Sanders rallied Colorado Democrats in a big way, drawing on young voters, passionate liberals and, the campaign says, big support from Latinos.

Read more: www.denverpost.com/election/ci_29587219/bernie-sanders-may-not-have-won-colorado-after

[Tiggeroshii]

1. So what this is saying is we need to call, write and visit Colorado superdelegates every day en mass

until they decide to honor the will of their constituents and support Bernie. Let's get to it!

[DrDan]

5. exactly - and DEMAND they change their vote - be AGRESSIVE

this has already started and is very effective

[JaneyVee]

22. SuperDels wont matter anyway.

[riversedge]

2. Gov. John Hickenlooper is firm in his support and ...

...............Gov. John Hickenlooper on Wednesday said that despite Sanders' win among caucus attendees, he was firm in his commitment to Clinton. He is among elected officials designated as superdelegates.

"I endorsed Hillary Clinton because I think of all the candidates in both parties, she is by a large margin the most qualified to come in and be president on Day 1," he told The Post through a spokeswoman. "I appreciate the intense attraction that Sen. Sanders has for many, but my support for Secretary Clinton has never wavered."

Regardless of the potential delegate counts, supporters of each candidate reflected Wednesday on the meaning of the straw poll results.

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Without exit polling, Sanders' level of Latino support was tough to gauge, prompting some skepticism from Clinton supporters because Sanders has struggled to connect with minority communities in some places.

"If you don't have any to start with and then you get a few — yeah, I guess you can say you did a little better you did before," said former Denver Mayor Wellington Webb, a staunch Clinton supporter......................

[jfern]

3. You don't win superdelegates

[quaker bill]

4. In short they spotted her 10

so she could lose but still "win*".

[Herman4747]

6. yeah, that sounds about right. n/t

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

7. Same old same old. He wins the voters, but the establishment has stacked the deck for its

own candidate. No surprises there.

[Adrahil]

9. Hillary leads the popular vote by over a million.

Just sayin'...

[karynnj]

32. There is no popular vote in the primaries - just as I posted when Sanders people posted after NH

Not to mention, the vast number of votes so far are from one area of the country -- an area where its Democrats strongly prefer Clinton. It is also true that most of the states where she piled up that majority will be Republican states - other than maybe Virginia. (The margins in Iowa, Nevada and Massachusetts are small).

It is more likely than not that HRC will win, but enough of the memes of 2008 - superdelegates and "popular vote". She likely does not need them this time - so why raise things that resurface bogus 2008 arguments?

[Adrahil]

33. errr what?

yes, delegates are what matter, just like Electoral votes in the general election. But we can still count votes in the primary states.

[karynnj]

35. It makes no sense to add votes over primary states and ignore caucus states (or add something quite

different for them). The sensitivity is that Clinton tried to use that in 2008 to question Obama's real win.

Not to mention, in a general election, you have all the states voting at the same time. Here, you have a set of NON REPRESENTATIVE states who have already voted. Just as Clinton supporters argued that Iowa and NH were not representative of the entire country, the huge concentration of Southern states that we lose in the general election is no more representative of Democrats as a whole than Iowa or NH were. The difference is that Iowa and NH are states we can aspire to win in the general election.

The fact is HRC is clearly ahead and likely to win -- but that should be shown -- as it was for Gore 2000, Kerry 2004, and Obama 2008 by the lead in pledged delegates.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

8. Obviously the party has decided that how I vote doesn't matter so I guess the party

won't miss my vote. They seem very confident in their ability to keep this amongst their little clique -- good luck to them and their little clique.

They probably don't want my vote anyways -- I'm supposed to be a racist or something.

[madokie]

10. As a friend said to me the other day

If they just give Hillary the nomination I will vote for tRump. Not me saying this but my friend. I tried to explain how thats not a good thing to do but was met with disdain for the Democratic party apparatus 2016

I'm a Yellow Dog Democratic Party member and I'll vote for the Dem Candidate no matter what --- madokie

[Nuclear Unicorn]

12. Nothing could make me vote for Trump

[madokie]

18. Me either

I'd crawl over broken half molten glass before I'd vote republiCON period. I'd jerk my fingernails out, one by one, before I'd vote for tRump

[Nuclear Unicorn]

19. Hillary is turning this Party into a shadow of the GOP.

[madokie]

21. Finishing up what the big dog started

Stinking ass third way bullshit is what it is

[VulgarPoet]

17. That's patently fuckin' ridiculous, and I hope you tell your friend that

Sometimes people need a good verbal slapping to open their eyes. eom

[madokie]

20. Short of ending a friendship there is nothing I can do

its his life and his choice. I respect that even though I don't agree with it for a second

I know far more people who will vote against Hillary than who will vote for Hillary and thats the simple truth of the matter. Oklahoma went 76 out of 77 counties for Bernie.

[Agschmid]

11. He won Colorado...

This is almost as embarrassing as the Mass. Voter fraud thread.

[TexasTowelie]

14. It is the headline used on the Denver Post.

I don't want to be accused of trying to add my own spin to the article.

[Agschmid]

15. That's fair.

[riversedge]

16. It is the right headline and very interesting story.

[Nanjeanne]

13. Your Democracy at work.

And they wonder why Dem voters are staying home.

[earthside]

29. You will see a split in the Democratic Party, too ...

... if this kind of machine cronyism politics prevails.

I know the Hillarians want to believe that if Trump is the Repuglican nominee and god forbid Hillary is the Democrat's nominee, then all the nominal and activist Democrats will forget these kinds of insults and outrages and dutifully vote for Clinton.

But I'm here in Colorado and I'll tell you, if this kind of crap continues there will be a lot of progressive Democrats and unaffiliated voters who will just skip over the presidential contest.

Castigate all you want over how shortsighted this behavior might be, but in 2016 I think a good chunk of voters are just fed-up with this kind of corporatized politics as usual. In many ways, Hillary Clinton epitomizes the status quo, corrupt, elitist politics as usual.

The Clinton campaign and insider establishment Democrats play this game at their own peril -- sticking a thumb in the eyes of the 59 percent of activist Democrats who caucused for Sanders is going to turn Colorado red this November. Clinton will probably not win here no matter what, but this kind of thing will take down Michael Bennet, too.

Hillary steamrolling her way to the nomination may satisfy her lust for money and power, but it will come at a big cost.

[libtodeath]

23. Maybe it is shit like this that is keeping turnout down.

[aspirant]

24. The "superfreak" delegates are "superfreaky"

[Eric J in MN]

25. The Super Delegates can endorse one candidate and then switch.

Hopefully, they will support whoever gets more regular delegates nationally.

[magical thyme]

26. Here we effing go again with the Superdelegate bullshit. They are not counted until the convention.

They can and do switch as appropriate.

[HooptieWagon]

27. Superdelegates don't count until they cast their votes at the Convention.

They are unpledged delegates, and can change their minds (as many did in 2008). It's just M$M propaganda to count them now.

[SidDithers]

28. Superdelegates are a fun distraction...

because of the sputtering outrage generated from the trailing campaign.

But the truth is, they're not going to be needed.

Hillary will easily win enough pledged delegates through the state primaries. Unpledged delegates will simply be the icing on the cake.

Sid

[karynnj]

30. ONLY WHEN YOU ADD SUPER DELEGATES - all for Hillary

Sanders won the pledged delegates in a big way.

[Autumn]

31. Oh Brockshit. Those include the superdelagtes , they may be pledged to Hillary but

they don't count till the convention. Fuck that noise. Bernie won Colorado. Those supers pledged before the caucuses. Hillary didn't get CO in the caucus and she sure as hell won't get CO in the GE.

[kiva]

34. I've been a registered Dem for 39 years.

The only reason I have not changed my status to unaffiliated is because I am a Bernie delegate to my county convention. When I've done my part and cast that ballot, I will change my registration to unaffiliated.

I can still vote how I please, but I won't continue to be a registered member of a party that is so gleefully marching toward a conservative cliff.

[BainsBane]

36. He won

A 10 delegate lead in earned delegates is still a win. The Superdelegate count is separate and not part of Tuesday's results.

[whatchamacallit]

37. Thank you