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FourScore

(9,704 posts)
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:15 PM Mar 2016

This.

Last edited Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:21 PM - Edit history (1)

Partial transcript from reddit:

It’s not that we want free stuff.

It’s not that we don’t understand economics.

And it’s not that we’re naïve about political realities.

It’s simply that the majority of young adults get their news online and the Bernie Sanders that people talk about on social media is very different from the Bernie Sanders you hear about on the 6 o’clock news.

Raise your hand if you knew that Bernie walked with Martin Luther King in the civil right movement.

Raise your hand if you’ve seen the picture of him getting arrested at the age of 22 for protesting segregation.

Keep your hands in the air if you get your news online.

That’s why we like him.

That’s why millennials flock to Bernie because in many ways, he was the original hipster, he was fighting the fight “before it was cool”.

We respect that.

We trust him.

Bernie is authentic.

He doesn’t have to change who he is to make himself more likeable.

We know that he was fighting for gay rights in the 80’s before anyone else was.

We know he voted against the Iraq war.

We know over 200 leading economists have endorsed his policies.

We know he has the highest approval rating of any senator or member of Congress.

We know he has over 30 years of experience in elected office, if that isn’t experience, I don’t know what is.

We know that in August, 28,000 people showed up in Portland to see him speak at a rally and there was no media coverage of the event what-so-ever from mainstream media.

We know that in matchup polls, Bernie beats all the top republicans in a landslide while Hillary loses to all of them except for Donald Trump who only wins by a small margin.

That should scare you!

So, people tell me that she is more qualified and can get things done.

I personally believe there is a difference between getting things done and making progress.

Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate for the political system we currently have but Bernie Sanders is the most qualified candidate to build the system that we should have.

Because right now politicians have more loyalty to the people who fund their campaigns than the people they are supposed to represent.


And that is the issue at the heart of this campaign.

It is not the single issue.

But it is the foundational issue that is necessary to achieving all other progressive goals, including Hillary Clintons.

Because we are never going to enact radical climate change legislation as long as the fossil fuel industry is spending $1.8 billion a year to convince politicians that climate change isn't real.

I'm sorry, I don't believe Hillary Clinton is going to reign in Wall Street as long as 4 out of 5 of her top campaign donors are banks.

[Inaudible] conflict of interest.

Most countries would call this corruption, we call it lobbying and it is completely legal.

When I look at Bernie Sanders, I don't see a 73 year old politician, I see a 22 year old activist.

Not unlike myself, who knows that leadership is about purpose, not position.

And that activism has given me a reason to believe in the impossible because he's already doing it.

It was supposed to be impossible to overtake a 56 point lead but we're doing it.

It was supposed to be impossible to run a campaign without a super PAC but we're doing it.

[Guy on stage shuts her off, booing erupts]

You have a choice to make. You have a choice.

Don't tell me it's impossible to put the power back into the hands of the people.

It's not impossible.



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This. (Original Post) FourScore Mar 2016 OP
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #1
Spot on!! Love reddit,mostly. wendylaroux Mar 2016 #2
Yeah, I remember feeling like that about George McGovern. Hoyt Mar 2016 #3
Is what we're supposed to take away from that comment... gcomeau Mar 2016 #8
In Colorado, standing in line to participate in the primaries. mountain grammy Mar 2016 #16
that's wonderful! amborin Mar 2016 #63
I'm 65, always supported Bernie. Never watch TV news. I trust Bernie's agenda. bjobotts Mar 2016 #70
Well said! CanSocDem Mar 2016 #78
Thing is, Bernie believes it can be done and that a lot of people want to help bigbrother05 Mar 2016 #83
So what's the excuse for siding with the wealthy 1% and turning backs on those rhett o rick Mar 2016 #71
Well, Sanders is a 3.5%er. I don't think things will get worse under Clinton. Hoyt Mar 2016 #75
There is a big difference. The Clintons obviously run with the wealthy and seem rhett o rick Mar 2016 #79
Beautiful! Punkingal Mar 2016 #4
Word! MelissaB Mar 2016 #5
I like. OZi Mar 2016 #6
raise your hand dana_b Mar 2016 #7
About to turn 57 elljay Mar 2016 #19
WE will all be dead when the effects of this election... Rockyj Mar 2016 #64
My daughter elljay Mar 2016 #66
here, here! dana_b Mar 2016 #68
You might want to re-think that. "Among people over 85 (the fastest-growing segment of the American jtuck004 Mar 2016 #89
me too dana_b Mar 2016 #67
Raised hand, an old hippie... Dont call me Shirley Mar 2016 #9
No truer words spoken this political season so far ... Jopin Klobe Mar 2016 #10
it was said by Robert Reich green917 Mar 2016 #35
KnR SammyWinstonJack Mar 2016 #11
I love Reddit too xloadiex Mar 2016 #12
Sometimes I regret being involved in politics at 22 VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #32
That's a powerful age to be alive and involved. Good for you! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #46
Doesn't feel that way too often, given my job, but hey. VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #54
You already know what you'd eventually like to be doing. That's huge! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #56
Wonderful post. It's all real. Bernie has vision, progressive policies appalachiablue Mar 2016 #13
BIG KnR - for speaking the truth to power, for Bernin' our way to Philadelphia. nt 99th_Monkey Mar 2016 #14
I love Millennials Oilwellian Mar 2016 #15
Beautiful! H2O Man Mar 2016 #17
I am 70 years old FuzzyRabbit Mar 2016 #18
I'm not a young person, but I totally agree with this message. lark Mar 2016 #20
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #21
K & R! TIME TO PANIC Mar 2016 #22
voting for Bernie here in PA in the primary. GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #23
Bravo...great for convincing, but. DeGreg Mar 2016 #24
K&R CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #25
The young woman's name is Dana Kiel. She posted in the YouTube comments section to ID herself. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #26
K&R! vanlassie Mar 2016 #27
Great post, FourScore Blus4u Mar 2016 #28
Best thing I've read all day! floppyboo Mar 2016 #29
"We know over 200 leading economists have endorsed his policies" MaggieD Mar 2016 #30
make of it what you will demosocialist Mar 2016 #37
Again, one proposal - not all his policies MaggieD Mar 2016 #41
well she never said ALL his policies demosocialist Mar 2016 #45
"We know over 200 leading economists have endorsed his policies" MaggieD Mar 2016 #49
What makes you doubt Bernie's claim? bvar22 Mar 2016 #87
Isn't that wildly hypocritical ? Jarqui Mar 2016 #77
Thanks, good information! senz Mar 2016 #44
I think he's telling a whopper MaggieD Mar 2016 #53
she was referencing this article green917 Mar 2016 #39
It's also not endorsing his "policies" MaggieD Mar 2016 #40
Start paying attention, it's not just "stuff" kids post on reddit. Lazy Daisy Mar 2016 #48
Who are these 130 economists he refers to? MaggieD Mar 2016 #50
You didn't open the links and read them did you? Lazy Daisy Mar 2016 #59
K&R Thank for posting Mbrow Mar 2016 #31
K&R! Duval Mar 2016 #33
The media is trying to run this election MorningFrog Mar 2016 #34
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #36
That is why corps want control over the internet. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #38
+1 Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #61
K&&&&R!!!! FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #42
Other countries can do it so can we Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2016 #43
Thanks for posting this fine overview, FourScore! FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #47
When I look at Bernie Sanders, I don't see a 73 year old politician, I see a 22 year old activist. I hate liars Mar 2016 #51
I see a dishonest politician MaggieD Mar 2016 #52
Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah..... Hotler Mar 2016 #55
It's a transcript of his words MaggieD Mar 2016 #57
I think you've broken the record for biggest non-sequitur... I hate liars Mar 2016 #58
I think it's exactly on point MaggieD Mar 2016 #73
The Clintons are obsessed with wealth and power. It's obvious to anyone not enamored rhett o rick Mar 2016 #72
Oh that's so funny MaggieD Mar 2016 #74
Nice try to deflect but the Clinton's have amassed a huge ~$150,000,000 PERSONAL FORTUNE rhett o rick Mar 2016 #80
If Hillary had made this claim, you KNOW Bernie fans would be demanding to see the list. :-D NurseJackie Mar 2016 #81
Oh, so you don't like dishonest politicians, huh? Herman4747 Mar 2016 #82
Here is the list. I found it with 10 seconds of Googling yodermon Mar 2016 #85
but but but.... robbob Mar 2016 #88
I saw that while it was happening monicaangela Mar 2016 #60
Awesome!! You were there? FourScore Mar 2016 #65
Huge K&R amborin Mar 2016 #62
K/R 840high Mar 2016 #69
Big K&R! nt raouldukelives Mar 2016 #76
No, it is that you're naive about political realities. Donald Ian Rankin Mar 2016 #84
Third Way is *Dead Party Walking*. It will be gone and buried forever soon. Zorra Mar 2016 #86
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
3. Yeah, I remember feeling like that about George McGovern.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:19 PM
Mar 2016

BTW -- where have all those millennials been at the polls?

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
8. Is what we're supposed to take away from that comment...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:31 PM
Mar 2016

..."once upon a time we tried and failed to get a seriously liberal President. Never try again then we can't be disappointed"?


Hooray for defeatism and being cowed by the right?

 

bjobotts

(9,141 posts)
70. I'm 65, always supported Bernie. Never watch TV news. I trust Bernie's agenda.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:10 AM
Mar 2016

I don't trust Hillary but I like her and the good she's managed to get done but we will not change much with her because she is a multimillionaire far removed from the common man or the middle class. She's been running for president for 10+ years and is a good campaigner. Bernie had to be talked into running and only did because he wanted to make Washington hear what the average man wanted...not what the millionaires wanted. Bernie is running to help Americans get what they want and to end income inequality and end this oligarchy and make America work for everyone again. Affordable health care for everyone. Bernie stands for what most Americans say they want...Hillary just wants to be president.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
78. Well said!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:50 AM
Mar 2016

"
Bernie stands for what most Americans say they want...Hillary just wants to be president."




.

bigbrother05

(5,995 posts)
83. Thing is, Bernie believes it can be done and that a lot of people want to help
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

If it was only about himself, he would have set up superpacs and been a lot more selective in who he spoke with to get the job. The message is way more important than any one person or group. The original hipster thought hits at the heart of his appeal.

He's what he has always been, history has just caught up with his generational viewpoint. As a young man he did what he could for the underserved against the powers of a closed minded, racist establishment. After hearing the echoes of that era become a deafening roar in the last 10-15 years, he's again trying to do what he can to help those in need. It will take all of us to minimize the turn to the right this country will take after Obama leaves office. The reality is that Bernie is the only one that has a chance to build on what progress we've made in the last 8 years.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
71. So what's the excuse for siding with the wealthy 1% and turning backs on those
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:13 AM
Mar 2016

living in poverty.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

The Clintons are obsessed with wealth and power. How can a Democrat put that above helping those living in poverty.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
79. There is a big difference. The Clintons obviously run with the wealthy and seem
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

obsessed with amassing a wealth that puts them in the top 1% or the top 1%. How will things stop getting worse when she wants to continue with the status quo. She doesn't even deny it.

It's obvious that Big Money runs our government and Clinton is in deep with the Big Money. It's ironic but she is using Citizens United even though she pretends to be against it.

We are in a class war and Clinton favors Goldman-Sachs' side.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
19. About to turn 57
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:29 PM
Mar 2016

That's the new 22, though, isn't it?

Love to see the millenials getting involved!

Rockyj

(538 posts)
64. WE will all be dead when the effects of this election...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 10:53 PM
Mar 2016

impacts their lives, and their children's lives. If Hillary is President expect very minimal results helping to resolve climate change. I was a hippie and protested the Vietnam War but in the late 70's like many of us we got caught up in the disco era & materialism.
I have two millennial daughters and I hate the kind of world we left them.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
66. My daughter
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 11:22 PM
Mar 2016

Is about to turn 16 and I can't promise her a better life and future. Makes me sad because I've worked so hard to give her the best I can.

If Hillary it is, I vow to be that splinter under her skin, doing what I can to keep her on the right path. She has no problem changing her positions when expedient so we will need to keep the pressure on constantly.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
89. You might want to re-think that. "Among people over 85 (the fastest-growing segment of the American
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 05:43 PM
Mar 2016



...
"Starting on Jan. 1, our 79-million-strong baby boom generation will be turning 65 at the rate of one every eight seconds. That means more than 10,000 people per day, or more than four million per year, for the next 19 years facing an increased risk of Alzheimer’s. Although the symptoms of this disease and other forms of dementia seldom appear before middle age, the likelihood of their appearance doubles every five years after age 65. Among people over 85 (the fastest-growing segment of the American population), dementia afflicts one in two. It is estimated that 13.5 million Americans will be stricken with Alzheimer’s by 2050 — up from five million today.."
...


From a NY Times article, OCT. 27, 2010, "The Age of Alzheimer’s"

SANDRA DAY O’CONNOR, STANLEY PRUSINER and KEN DYCHTWALD
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/28/opinion/28oconnor.html?_r=0

The results of this election have already started impacting us in a lot of ways. This is just one. There are tens upon tens of millions of others who will see other impacts before we ever to their children, or their children's children.

It may be part of a plan. It's easier to move people away from a coast inundated by rising seas if they have been moved to tar paper shacks first.

Jopin Klobe

(779 posts)
10. No truer words spoken this political season so far ...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:52 PM
Mar 2016

"Hillary Clinton is the most qualified candidate for the political system we currently have but Bernie Sanders is the most qualified candidate to build the system that we should have." ...

... well said ...

... damn well said ...

xloadiex

(628 posts)
12. I love Reddit too
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 06:54 PM
Mar 2016

and go there quite often. Most of the people there are young enough to be my kids. To watch their passion, especially on election night is inspiring. When Bernie loses a state I feel like a mom who has let her kids down. It inspires me to work harder for Bernie. This is their future. I wish I had been more politically involved at that age.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
32. Sometimes I regret being involved in politics at 22
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

Because it usually means a lot of sleepless nights, a whole hell of a lot of anger, and what feels like at the end of the day, wasted time trying to work towards a world where I don't have to spend the next 60 years of my life working in a job I hate just to stay afloat, and relegating what I love to "the hobby I work on when I'm not either exhausted or pissed off".

FailureToCommunicate

(14,006 posts)
46. That's a powerful age to be alive and involved. Good for you!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:01 PM
Mar 2016

(You're feeling better I see. That's progress!)

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
54. Doesn't feel that way too often, given my job, but hey.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:15 PM
Mar 2016

Crises of faith are shit to roll through, but progress is progress. Had a couple really fruitful chats that more... Opened my eyes to the way things are. I just don't want to end up like my father at the end of the day. Man's in his late forties, and only just now doing what really makes him happy. I don't want that life, I don't want that life for my future children.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,006 posts)
56. You already know what you'd eventually like to be doing. That's huge!
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

Many people struggle for years trying to even figure that much out.

There will be some hazards in the road to get there. But, that's part of the adventure. Otherwise life would be way to predictable and... boring.

appalachiablue

(41,102 posts)
13. Wonderful post. It's all real. Bernie has vision, progressive policies
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:03 PM
Mar 2016

and approaches that must and will be advocated by movement activism of the people. This is not the time for centrist task managing governance.

Oilwellian

(12,647 posts)
15. I love Millennials
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:21 PM
Mar 2016

Very well said. I like going to Reddit as well, just to make sure the youth are understanding what's really going on. So far, I'd say they have the truth covered.

lark

(23,059 posts)
20. I'm not a young person, but I totally agree with this message.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016

Thank you for posting this inspiring message!

GoneOffShore

(17,336 posts)
23. voting for Bernie here in PA in the primary.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:37 PM
Mar 2016

Absentee ballot, because I will be away.
And I don't trust the machines.

 

DeGreg

(72 posts)
24. Bravo...great for convincing, but.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

Put your thinking caps on. How do we make the case for Dems stuck in the MSM mind space ??? There's gotta be a way on the web and in the physical world to change these scaredy cat Dems who prefer too much status quo for their own good....
Ideas????

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
26. The young woman's name is Dana Kiel. She posted in the YouTube comments section to ID herself.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 07:45 PM
Mar 2016

She also asked people not to be too harsh towards the old guys onstage. They were trying to enforce a time limit. The problem was that no one had announced what the time limit was before she spoke.

Agreed that taking the mic away was a heavier-handed way to handle that than necessary. God knows what would've happened to that guy if he'd been in Seattle and tried that move on the BLM women.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
30. "We know over 200 leading economists have endorsed his policies"
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:04 PM
Mar 2016

I had to stop reading here because that is flat out untrue. And this is why I pay no attention to the stuff kids post on Reddit.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
41. Again, one proposal - not all his policies
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

And Bernie told a WHOPPER during the last town hall where he inferred they DID endorse all his proposals including single payer. That is simply 100% false (and sadly typical for Bernie).

demosocialist

(184 posts)
45. well she never said ALL his policies
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

And I am not into the mudslinging for either side, so yeah, I simply gave you what I thought the young woman was referring too. That is why I prefaced it with "make of it what you will"

So, now I have to get ready to watch another Republican Trainwreck Debate

hope to see you there to laugh along with me

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
49. "We know over 200 leading economists have endorsed his policies"
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

And you know why? Because that is the baloney Bernie is slinging. Even though it is completely false. Please tell us who these 130 economists and healthcare experts are? They do not exist.

"CUOMO: Alright, in terms of what you want to provide, then you get to the wealth, will that be enough? Will that pay for it?

As you're aware, four former chairs of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, all appointed by Democrats, by the way. Say there's no credible economic research that supports the positive impacts that you're touting. One of them goes as far to say that it's like magic flying puppies with winning lotto tickets tied to their collars.

SANDERS: Those economists were organized by the Clinton campaign. It's a wild and crazy guess.

CUOMO: No, that's not true, they weren't...

SANDERS: ... We have well over a hundred, it's a 130 economists, and healthcare experts who will say the same."


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1602/23/se.01.html

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
87. What makes you doubt Bernie's claim?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:27 PM
Mar 2016

Care to take a guess at how many "Economists" there are in the US?

Every other developed nation in the WORLD has implemented a plan similar to Bernie's, but we can't make it work here in the RICHEST country?

NO. WE. CAN'T!

Jarqui

(10,119 posts)
77. Isn't that wildly hypocritical ?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:07 AM
Mar 2016

You're supporting a candidate who basically lies as easily as she breathes.

She appears to have done so her entire political life - certainly since she showed up in Washington.

She seems to have executed some form of deception nearly every day for the last several weeks of this contest. For more on that, try reading the threads on this site with a smidgen of objectivity. There are hundreds of videos on the net demonstrating her incessant dishonesty using her own words.

And you are posting that you are concerned about the accuracy of what Bernie has to say?

The dishonesty of the candidate you support makes Richard Nixon look like a good guy. Her brash, rampant dishonesty is worse than Tricky Dick.

Sorry, I cannot take your concern about Bernie seriously given who you support. If you were really concerned about integrity, you would be writing non stop about how your own candidate falls so miserably short.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
53. I think he's telling a whopper
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:12 PM
Mar 2016

Do you have the list of the "130 economists and healthcare experts" he is referring to here?

Please tell us who these 130 economists and healthcare experts are? They do not exist.

"CUOMO: Alright, in terms of what you want to provide, then you get to the wealth, will that be enough? Will that pay for it?

As you're aware, four former chairs of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, all appointed by Democrats, by the way. Say there's no credible economic research that supports the positive impacts that you're touting. One of them goes as far to say that it's like magic flying puppies with winning lotto tickets tied to their collars.

SANDERS: Those economists were organized by the Clinton campaign. It's a wild and crazy guess.

CUOMO: No, that's not true, they weren't...

SANDERS: ... We have well over a hundred, it's a 130 economists, and healthcare experts who will say the same."


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1602/23/se.01.html

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
40. It's also not endorsing his "policies"
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:43 PM
Mar 2016

It's endorsing ONE proposal. And I have indeed seen him infer they endorse ALL his proposals, including his single payer plan. He did that during the last townhall. And that is FLAT OUT untrue.

I've saved the transcript of that particular whopper. Would you care to see it?

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
48. Start paying attention, it's not just "stuff" kids post on reddit.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016
Top Economists Are Backing Sen. Bernie Sanders on Establishing a $15 an Hour Minimum Wage
http://www.budget.senate.gov/democratic/public/index.cfm/2015/7/top-economists-are-backing-sen-bernie-sanders-on-establishing-a-15-an-hour-minimum-wage

170 Economists Endorse Bernie Sanders’ Plan To Reform Wall St. And Rein In Greed
http://www.politicususa.com/2016/01/14/170-economists-bernie-sanders-plan-reform-wall-st-rein-greed.html

Liberal Economists Defend Bernie Sanders Against a Chorus of Critics
http://observer.com/2016/02/liberal-economists-defend-bernie-sanders-against-a-chorus-of-critics/


Just because you don't like the information being given doesn't make it untrue.
 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
50. Who are these 130 economists he refers to?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

List please.

Please tell us who these 130 economists and healthcare experts are? They do not exist.

"CUOMO: Alright, in terms of what you want to provide, then you get to the wealth, will that be enough? Will that pay for it?

As you're aware, four former chairs of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, all appointed by Democrats, by the way. Say there's no credible economic research that supports the positive impacts that you're touting. One of them goes as far to say that it's like magic flying puppies with winning lotto tickets tied to their collars.

SANDERS: Those economists were organized by the Clinton campaign. It's a wild and crazy guess.

CUOMO: No, that's not true, they weren't...

SANDERS: ... We have well over a hundred, it's a 130 economists, and healthcare experts who will say the same."


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1602/23/se.01.html

 

Lazy Daisy

(928 posts)
59. You didn't open the links and read them did you?
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

You didn't have enough time to do so before replying. If you had, you'd have seen over 210 economist listed in the first link.

You would have seen 170 named in the second link.

And in the third link you would have read how those who oppose Bernie's policies didn't bother to look and notice that one of the economists that supports it uses the SAME EXACT MODELS THEY USE.

One of the leading economists who are in full support of Bernie's policies is Bill Clinton's Secretary of Labor, Robert Reich.





MorningFrog

(16 posts)
34. The media is trying to run this election
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:20 PM
Mar 2016

It seems to me that the media is trying to play this election like some sort of pseudo-reality tv program. They keep hyping about who is electable and who needs to drop out even though we have barely begun. This is not a boxing match. First punch doesn't win.

While either democratic candidate is better than all the republican ones combined, it is Bernie who is the best. It's not just his proposals and his political record. It is his personality. Bernie is for us and for USA, and also for the planet. Hillary is all about her, what she's done, what she wants to do.

The media is as much of a corporate special interest as any oil or banker. They have the same monopolies as the financial industry. The comments on the evening news are basically free ad-time for them.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
38. That is why corps want control over the internet.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 08:37 PM
Mar 2016

It is the only medium that is keeping democracy alive on a National level.

I hate liars

(165 posts)
51. When I look at Bernie Sanders, I don't see a 73 year old politician, I see a 22 year old activist.
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

Wonderful post, FourScore. Let me offer a perspective from the other end of the age spectrum.

This is what resonates most for me: "When I look at Bernie Sanders, I don't see a 73 year old politician, I see a 22 year old activist."

It resonates because, although I was born a few years too early to participate in the demonstrations of the late 60s, that's the era that forged my political values - anti-war, anti-interventionist, anti-poverty, anti-violence, labor rights, equal opportunity, pro civil rights, pro-civil liberties.

And if you don't allow yourself to get bought, those values stick with you for the rest of your life, because they are truly democratic.

I feel the same pressure you feel to justify my support for Bernie. I don't want free stuff. I understand economics better than the next person. I'm not politically naive.

And since the supreme court selected GWB as president in 2000, I've gotten my news online, exclusively.

Although I'm only pushing 63, I still see myself as that 22-year old who was slow to awaken to the corrupt politics of our country, but finally got it. As I near retirement age, I'm becoming more politically active, and now have the ability to contribute to Bernie and other true progressives. There are more of us out there than you might suspect!

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
52. I see a dishonest politician
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:11 PM
Mar 2016

For example, who are these 130 economists that endorse how he pays for his proposals? Do you have a the list? It does not exist.

Please tell us who these 130 economists and healthcare experts are? They do not exist.

"CUOMO: Alright, in terms of what you want to provide, then you get to the wealth, will that be enough? Will that pay for it?

As you're aware, four former chairs of the White House Council of Economic Advisors, all appointed by Democrats, by the way. Say there's no credible economic research that supports the positive impacts that you're touting. One of them goes as far to say that it's like magic flying puppies with winning lotto tickets tied to their collars.

SANDERS: Those economists were organized by the Clinton campaign. It's a wild and crazy guess.

CUOMO: No, that's not true, they weren't...

SANDERS: ... We have well over a hundred, it's a 130 economists, and healthcare experts who will say the same."


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1602/23/se.01.html

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
57. It's a transcript of his words
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

So yeah, I agree - it's a bunch of blah, blah, bullshit. Flat out false claim on his part.

I hate liars

(165 posts)
58. I think you've broken the record for biggest non-sequitur...
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

Please read the post before replying, next time.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
72. The Clintons are obsessed with wealth and power. It's obvious to anyone not enamored
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:15 AM
Mar 2016

with the super-wealthy.

"The choice is stark, keep living under corporate rule under Hillary and watch things get worse, or go with Bernie and fight TPTB to regain our Representative Democracy!"

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
74. Oh that's so funny
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:21 AM
Mar 2016

You know, considering some folks and their wives violate FEC rules and donate more to Bernie than legally allowed. Although I suppose folks that own a million dollar plus house and work for big Pharma can afford to do that.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
80. Nice try to deflect but the Clinton's have amassed a huge ~$150,000,000 PERSONAL FORTUNE
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

received from billionaires and corporations investing in quid pro quo and you try to compare them with Sen Sanders. He isn't a saint but your rationalization as to why you will ignore the 16,000,000 children living in poverty and instead vote for the wealthy 1% (in the Clinton's case, the top 1% of the top 1% and growing at the rate of $10,000,000 per year).

We are in a class war in which the Wealthiest (incl the Clintons) are winning at the expense of the 50,000,000 living in poverty.

Please choose the side of the 99%.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
81. If Hillary had made this claim, you KNOW Bernie fans would be demanding to see the list. :-D
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 12:17 PM
Mar 2016

Personally, I don't believe such a list exists. Clearly, he must have misspoken.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
82. Oh, so you don't like dishonest politicians, huh?
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 01:31 PM
Mar 2016

Well then, a video just for you, with love



After watching this video, will you change your avatar? Fat chance, right?

yodermon

(6,143 posts)
85. Here is the list. I found it with 10 seconds of Googling
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:59 PM
Mar 2016

and you could/should have done the same before posting such a ridiculous assertion.
"It does not exist". OK.


ECONOMISTS AND HEALTH CARE EXPERTS IN SUPPORT OF BERNIE SANDERS’
MEDICARE FOR ALL
Bernie Sanders’ Medicare-for-all plan for universal health care in the United States is the right
way to ensure affordable access to health care for all Americans.
The Affordable Care Act has made important strides in expanding health insurance, especially
for low-income and young Americans. It has instituted important protections against exclusion
from coverage. And it has empowered American workers, especially those with health
conditions. But 29 million people in this country remain uninsured, and many more struggle with
high co-payments and deductibles. Sen. Sanders’ plan delivers universal coverage at a fraction
of the cost because it replaces private health care premiums, co-payments and deductibles with a
single, smaller payment into the Medicare-for-all system. In short, the Sanders' plan will do
more and cost less than any privately-administered health insurance system.
We agree with Bernie Sanders that we must build on the proven record of over 50 years of the
Medicare program. We must provide the freedom and security to all Americans that comes with
finally separating health insurance from employment.
Bernie Sanders’ single-payer system would cost less than our current system because a singlepayer
system wouldn’t spend huge sums on advertising, marketing, executive pay and billing, as
private insurers do. The Sanders single-payer system would empower Medicare to negotiate fair
prices for drugs and procedures. It would be financed by a fair and reasonable income-based
premium, replacing a battery of larger and more burdensome payments to private insurance
companies. By eliminating the profit-seeking interests of the insurance companies, the bills will
get paid, and there will be no more fighting with insurers who fail to pay in full or on time.
Every other major Western country has made the morally principled and financially responsible
decision to provide universal health insurance. The result – in Europe, Canada and Japan – is
better health at lower cost. The United States can do this. And we have a program – Medicare –
that shows how it can be done here.

SIGNERS:

1. James K. Galbraith, University of Texas
2. Dean Baker, Center for Economic and Policy Research
3. Robert Reich, University of California, Berkeley
4. Steffie Woolhandler, City University of New York and Harvard Medical School
5. David U. Himmelstein, City University of New York and Harvard Medical School
6. Eileen Appelbaum, Center for Economic and Policy Research
7. Robert Pollin, University of Massachusetts Amherst
8. Kevin Outterson, Boston University Law School
9. Victor G. Rodwin, New York University Robert F. Wagner Graduate School of Public Service
10. Gerald Friedman, University of Massachusetts Amherst
11. Michael Reisch, University of Maryland
12. Reynold F. Nesiba, Augustana University
13. Daniel Callahan, The Hastings Center
14. Mayo C. Toruño, California State University, San Bernardino
15. John T. Harvey, Department of Economics, Texas Christian University
16. Arthur MacEwan, University of Massachusetts Boston
17. Amitava Krishna Dutt, University of Notre Dame
18. Glen Atkinson, University of Nevada, Reno
19. William Van Lear, Belmont Abbey College
20. Lourdes Benería, Cornell University
21. William Waller, Hobart and William Smith Colleges
22. Hendrik Van den Berg, University of Nebraska
23. Diane Archer, Medicare Rights Center and Just Care USA
24. Larry Allen, Lamar University
25. James F. Burdick, Johns Hopkins Medicine
26. Leonard Rodberg, Queens College/CUNY
27. John Miller, Wheaton College
28. James K. Boyce, University of Massachusetts Amherst
29. Beatrix Hoffman, Northern Illinois University
30. Paddy Quick, St. Francis College, Brooklyn
31. Mary C. King, Portland State University
32. Allan MacNeill, Webster University
33. Paul A. Heise, Lebanon Valley College
34. Mark Weisbrot, Center for Economic and Policy Research
35. Nancy Altman, Social Security Works
36. Eric R. Kingson, Syracuse University
37. John F. Henry, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College
38. Antonio Callari, Franklin and Marshall College
39. Gar Alperovitz, Democracy Collaborative and The Next System Project
40. Adam Gaffney, Massachusetts General Hospital
41. John Dennis Chasse, SUNY Brockport
42. James M. Cypher, Universidad Autnoma de Zacatecas
43. Scott McConnell, Eastern Oregon University
44. Zohreh M Niknia, Mills College
45. L. Randall Wray, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College
46. Mitchell R. Green, Binzagr Institute for Sustainable Prosperity
47. Peter Arno, University of Massachusetts Amherst
48. Kalpana Khanal, Nichols College
49. Erik Dean, Portland Community College
50. Timothy A. Wunder, University of Texas at Arlington
51. Scott Fullwiler, Wartburg College
52. Linwood F. Tauheed, University of Missouri-Kansas City
53. Malinda Markowitz, California Nurses Association and National Nurses United
54. William S. Brown, retired academic economist
55. Doug Henwood, economics journalist and consultant
56. Barbara Katz-Rothman, CUNY Graduate School and University Center
57. Masanori Kuroki, Arkansas Tech University
58. Terrence McDonough, National University of Ireland Galway
59. RoseAnn DeMoro, National Nurses United
60. Helen Scharber, Hampshire College
61. Anita Dancs, Western New England University
62. Mona Ali, State University of New York at New Paltz
63. Michael Murray, Bemidji State University
64. William K. Tabb, City University of New York
65. Mary Turner, Minnesota Nurses Association
66. Rose Roach, Minnesota Nurses Association
67. Kathy Donohue, National Nurses United
68. Katy Roemer, National Nurses United
69. Deborah Burger, National Nurses United
70. Bernadine Engeldorf, National Nurses United and Minnesota Nurses Association
71. Michael Brün, Illinois State University and Illinois Wesleyan University
72. Karl Widerquist, Georgetown University
73. Jeannette Wicks-Lim, University of Massachusetts Amherst
74. Thomas Masterson, Levy Economics Institute of Bard College
75. Julie Pinkham, Minnesota Nurses Association and National Nurses United
76. Jonathan Millman, University of Massachusetts Boston
77. Christian Parenti, New York University
78. Maureen Dugan, California Nurses Association and National Nurses Organizing
Committee
79. Tae-Hee Jo, SUNY Buffalo State
80. Thomas Lambert, Northern Kentucky University
81. Barbara Garson, author
82. Anders Fremstad, Department of Economics, Colorado State University
83. Alison Welsh, California Nurses Association
84. David Welch, California Nurses Association
85. Martha Kuhl, National Nurses United
86. Geert Dhondt, John Jay College, The City University of New York
87. John Stifler, University of Massachusetts Amherst
88. Michael Meeropol, Western New England University
89. Peter Dorman, Evergreen State College
90. Kade Finnoff, University of Massachusetts Boston
91. David Eisnitz, Earlham College
92. Fabian Balardini, Borough to Manhattan Community College
93. Luis F. Brunstein, University of California, Riverside
94. Zhun Xu, Howard University
95. Yavuz Yasar, University of Denver
96. Karen Higgins, National Nurses United
97. Martese Chism, National Nurses United
98. Sean Flaherty, Franklin and Marshall College
99. Jean Ross, National Nurses United
100.Zenei T. Cortez, National Nurses Organizing Committee and National Nurses United
101.David Gleicher, Adelphi University
102.Fadhel Kaboub, Denison University, Binzagr Institute for Sustainable Prosperity
103.Bilge Erten, Northeastern University
104.Keane Bhatt, Democracy Collaborative and The Next System Project
105.Eric Tymoigne, Lewis & Clark College
106.Felipe Rezende, Hobart and William Smith Colleges
107.Pavlina R. Tcherneva, Bard College
108.Thomas Pogge, Yale University
109.David Barkin, Universidad Autonoma Metropolitana-Xochimilco
110.Richard Bruno, MedStar Health and Johns Hopkins University
111.Daniel MacDonald, California State University San Bernardino
112.Leanne Roncolato, Franklin and Marshall College
113.Ray Drasga, St. Clare Health Clinic
114.Claudia Chaufan, University of California, San Francisco
115.Rose Roach, Minnesota Nurse Association
116.Devin T. Rafferty, St. Peter's University
117.Martin Gunderson, Macalester College
118.Erik K. Olsen, University of Missouri Kansas City
119.Zdravka Todorova, Wright State University
120.Carlo D'Ippoliti, Sapienza University of Rome
121.Mary V. Wrenn, Girton College, University of Cambridge
122.Charalampos Konstantinidis, University of Massachusetts Boston
123.Vincent Navarro, Johns Hopkins University
124.Marcia Angell, Harvard Medical School
125.Robert Chernomas, University of Manitoba
126.Zoe Sherman, Merrimack College
127.Stewart Decker, Oregon Health and Science University
128.Max Romano, MedStar Franklin Square Medical Center & Johns Hopkins
Bloomberg School of Public Health
129.Corrado Di Guilmi, University of Technology Sydney
130.Wolfram Elsner, University of Bremen
131.Nathaniel Cline, University of Redlands
132.Dimitri Drekonja, University of Minnesota
133.Rachel Kreier, Saint Joseph's College
134.Bruce R. McFarling, International College Beijing



https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/2718707/Medicare-for-All-Plan.pdf

robbob

(3,522 posts)
88. but but but....
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

That's only 134! NOT over 200!!! So Bernie must be a liar with no shred of integrity!

<sarcasm>

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
60. I saw that while it was happening
Thu Mar 3, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

She's an excellent surrogate for Bernie even though she doesn't work for his campaign. I think Bernie should think about hiring her.

Donald Ian Rankin

(13,598 posts)
84. No, it is that you're naive about political realities.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 02:37 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders' election strategy relied on a massive wave of left-wing support arrising out of nowhere and sweeping him to power.

If that support were there, it would have had a significantly stronger effect in the primaries - where the kind of people Sanders appeals to most are more heavily represented - than in the general election.

So we now *know* that the support for the revolution that Sanders promised, and relied on, does not exist, and that if the Democrats were to nominate a self-proclaimed Socialist then they would probably lose to Trump, and almost certainly lose to any other Republican.

The choice is not between president Clinton and president Sanders; it is between president Clinton and president Trump.

And I know how I'd vote in that contest.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
86. Third Way is *Dead Party Walking*. It will be gone and buried forever soon.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 03:03 PM
Mar 2016

They lost Congress in a slaughter, they lost state governments in a mass slaughter, and and if Clinton is nominated. we'll lose the WH in a mass slaughter.

Third Way Centrism is the worst thing that ever happened to the Democratic party.

Y'all can fool all the people some of the time, and some of the people all the time, but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

Third Way is terminal, with less than a year to live, and after it dies, may it rot in the deepest hole in hell forever.

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