2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI wonder why Clinton is skipping the March 7 town hall with Bernie?
On the eve of the Michigan primary...Could it be she fears a slew of questions about the FBI investigation?
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)11 HOURS.
11 HOURS.
11 HOURS.
I think she could handle a Fox town hall, I just think she prefers not to indulge them.
bvf
(6,604 posts)imbeciles whose opinions you don't give a rat's ass about is a bit different from trying not to lose your cool in front of millions of TV viewers whose votes you desperately need.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)that yawn-fest? I honestly don't know, but I bet no where near what the town hall Q&A (Fox notwithstanding) will draw. I'm ready to be shown wrong here, btw, but see my addendum below.
All that aside, think, too: Clinton dismissively brushing dandruff from her shoulder while answering a hostile town hall question would go over as well as, say, Bush Sr.'s infamous glance at his watch in 1992. Remember that?
ETA:
http://deadline.com/2015/10/hillary-clinton-benghazi-hearings-ratings-cable-news-1201592456/
TheBlackAdder
(28,154 posts).
There was some article that said HRC would not go on FOX for retaliation on past endeavors.
Funny, Obama goes on FOX. He even does that after FOX bashes him 24 x 7 x 365 x 8.
HRC is either really petty and vindictive, she's afraid of FOX's questions, or both.
She acts like Chris Christie towards those who challenge him. Vindictivness of a teenager!
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Clinton decided to 'indulge' them after all.
Sanders must be eating any leads she thought she had in Michigan.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)I didn't make any kind of comment about her participation except that she wasn't "afraid" as the OP asserted.
TM99
(8,352 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)TM99
(8,352 posts)We both know you are not.
Agschmid
(28,749 posts)And if anyone thinks the ongoing email investigation is not a factor they are fooling themselves. Hate to say it Hillary, you're gonna have to face the music sooner or later. Guess she's thinking the longer she puts it off the more votes she can try to grab.
TheBlackAdder
(28,154 posts).
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Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Renew Deal
(81,839 posts)thereismore
(13,326 posts)Renew Deal
(81,839 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Renew Deal
(81,839 posts)Though it fits their agenda well.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Renew Deal
(81,839 posts)Hillary was smart enough to not show up and Bernie was opportunistic enough to appear. That's what losing campaigns do.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Renew Deal
(81,839 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)tazkcmo
(7,298 posts)Elderly, white, conservative voters aren't citizens worthy of their votes? Also, you're obviously not aware that not all Fox viewers are "elderly, white, conservatives" and their ratings beat all the other "news" programs offered by the MSM.
http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/cable-news-ratings-cnn-top-gainer-fox-news-channel-dominant-1201666151/
"Looking at Nielsens most current estimates for the Dec. 29, 2014-Dec. 27, 2015 ratings year, Fox News Channel easily led among the cable news networks in the key adults 25-54 demo during primetime. Its average audience of 349,000 viewers in the demo was up 13% vs. 2014, and was followed by CNN with 243,000 (up 30%), MSNBC with 143,000 (down 18%) and HLN with 114,000 (down 3%)."
25-54 year ols. Then new "elderly, white, conservative"
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)views by railing against the rights of LGBT in the name of God and Country at venues such as Saddleback Church where she lavished praise upon Rick Warren. Why do you think she was there, among white conservatives, and why was she asserting great kinship and agreement with them?
Or do you folks see that anti gay stuff as 'not conservative'? A trip to a right wing Mega Church is not a trip down Conservatism Parkway?
See, once your candidate has traveled to speak to elderly white conservatives as one of their own for years and years and years it is not possible to see me on the idea that she simply refuses to speak to such voters on principle.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Seems smart.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)Do you think he should have dropped out because Clinton did? And if Clinton is avoiding Fox, why not just come out and admit it?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)or attend ANY town halls if she didn't need to.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)MissDeeds
(7,499 posts)w4rma
(31,700 posts)That's walking into a Lions' den and coming out with the lions' respect.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Rick Warren's Saddleback Church.
Bernie at Liberty: "Thank you, President Falwell and David. Thank you very much for inviting my wife, Jane, and me to be with you even this morning. We appreciate the invitation very much.
And let me start off by acknowledging what I think all of you already know. And that is the views that many here at Liberty University have and I, on a number of important issues, are very, very different. I believe in a woman's rights....And the right of a woman to control her own body.
I believe gay rights and gay marriage. Those are my views and it is no secret."
Hillary at Saddleback:
"Well I am so honored and personally delighted to be here, and I want to thank Rick and Kay Warren for bringing us together this week around World AIDS Day. And I want to thank their tremendous staff and the volunteers and everyone who helped make this happen. I'm grateful for the opportunity to share our commitment about dealing with the global scourge of HIV/AIDS.
I also want to recognize two first ladies: the first lady of Zambia and the first lady of Rwanda. I am delighted that they are here representing their countries and their people.
And first, [applause] let me first say how relieved Bill and I were to hear that Saddleback was spared from the recent wildfires - and how impressed and moved we were to hear about the love and support that you gave those who were not so fortunate.
It's another example of the way in which this church is not measured by numbers. Yes, the numbers are big, they're certainly impressive. But it's measured by your impact. It's measured by the meaning that you give to lives here within this complex and so far beyond its boundaries. And the commitment that you demonstrate both to our faith in God and to doing His work here on earth is exemplary and that is one of the many reasons that I wanted to be here today."
You know, Rick has helped so many people with his lessons for a 40-day spiritual journey. But he knows those 40 days are just the beginning. My own faith journey is approaching a half a century, and I know how far I still have to go. "
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=77080
Qutzupalotl
(14,276 posts)Otherwise she'd be dumb and opportunistic, right?
TM99
(8,352 posts)I guess Hillary isn't all that smart after all. She is opportunistic as well because she decided to go on Fox.
I guess that means her campaign is losing?
w4rma
(31,700 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)true liberal.
He is under constant attack by the rw pundits.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)odd that she would miss this golden opportunity because of an alleged "schedule conflict"
Renew Deal
(81,839 posts)When will the republicans have a debate on MSNBC?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)Renew Deal
(81,839 posts)virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Hillary's message is incomprehensible to most people. . . all generalities.
Impedimentus
(898 posts)No big money to be graveled for on FOX.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)bigtree
(85,970 posts)...pretty smart politics to skip it.
I'll bet Sanders will wish he'd thought of it.
Anne Bolynn ?@RedAnneBolynn 9h9 hours ago
Detroit Fox focus group tonite not one person of color of 25 in group.
Detroit is 83% black. 83% black.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)I hope this info gets out...that the residents of Michigan don't count as much as Wall Street...
timlot
(456 posts)Fox News (especially since Benghazi) has been on a daily, hell hourly, witch hunt of Hillary Clinton. Everyday foxnews.com had a benghazi/email faux breaking news headline. They run 3 and 5 part specials on Clinton Cash, Benghazi (who gave the stand down order), etc. There will be nothing fair about that town hall.
I watched Bret Bair interview Attorney General Lynch, and he asked her about 10 different questions about the emails. Grilling her like she was on witness stand. They have an agenda and Bernie better be ready.
Bret: Bernie don't you think its crime to have home brewed server with classified info on it?
Bernie: Not going to comment about the emails.
Bret: But, Bernie your an honest guy. Thats why all your supporters love you. I know you believe deep down inside Hillary broke the law.
Bernie: Not going to comment about it.
Bret: Did you ever use a private email in your time in congress?
Bernie: No.
Bret: Well I had my staff look that up...
Its a trap.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)"So, Sec. Clinton, when exactly did you plan the murders of those four heroic people at Beghazi for your own crass political gain. ?"
Yeah, fuck Faux News.
stonecutter357
(12,692 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)taxes?
The difference being, Bernie will not think twice about answering their questions.
He is who he is and if they don't like it, so be it.
The truth of the matter is, whichever candidate wins the general - and it just maybe Hillary - that person WILL have to talk to Faux.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)After all, Hillary made Gowdy and his stooges look like the fools they are.
And Bernie is never shy about talking about his policy. But make no mistake, they WILL go after him.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Karl Rove has a secret plan to ratf*ck Hillary - Salon.com
STRANGE BEDFELLOWS Republican Operatives Try to Help Bernie Sanders
Republicans are trying to help Bernie Sanders win, and it's not because they like his message
Sanders is being used by FOX and Republicans.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)Because Republicans believe Sanders is a push over, though with the way their party is falling apart, Eastwood's chair could beat them.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)Good for Hilary for skipping it.
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)I despise Fox. Wish she would not give them the time of day. Oh well.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Have you seen the ad Bernie is running in Michigan? It's about all the trade deals that have ruined life in Michigan and Hillary was supporting all of them.
That's what she's afraid of, being call out for destroying life in Michigan.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,255 posts)Megyn Marie Kelly (born November 18, 1970),[1][2] formerly known as Megyn Kendall,[3] is a journalist, former attorney, news pundit, and political commentator on the Fox News Channel. As of 2016, Kelly hosts The Kelly File weekday evenings from the network's New York City headquarters. She previously hosted America Live. Prior to that, Kelly co-hosted America's Newsroom along with Bill Hemmer. From 2007 to 2012, the two also hosted Fox News Channel's New Year's Eve specials, All American New Year. She was included in the 2014 Time list of the 100 most influential people.
(snip)
Kelly received media attention for her coverage of the results of the 2012 United States presidential election. On November 6, 2012, the night of the election, Fox News projected that Obama would win a second term after part of the results had been released. In response to Karl Rove's opposition to this projection, Kelly asked Rove, "Is this just math that you do as a Republican to make yourself feel better? Or is this real?"[16][17][18]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megyn_Kelly
Megyn Kelly Schools Donald Trump On His Trump University Suit Like A Boss
When Rubio and Trump got into a heated debate over the lawsuit and the university, Kelly, who has a tense relationship with Trump on a good day, jumped in to set the record straight. "Let me just set the record straight, and then you guys can have at it," she said. She quickly explained the lawsuit and Trump's countersuit, using quotes from the court's decision. All the while, Trump tried to interrupt her, as he has done to so many people during these debates.
When Rubio and Trump got into a heated debate over the lawsuit and the university, Kelly, who has a tense relationship with Trump on a good day, jumped in to set the record straight. "Let me just set the record straight, and then you guys can have at it," she said. She quickly explained the lawsuit and Trump's countersuit, using quotes from the court's decision. All the while, Trump tried to interrupt her, as he has done to so many people during these debates.
(snip)
On Thursday, Kelly seemed to get back at Trump in the most mature and appropriate way possible, by schooling him with hard and fast facts. She took on the issue of Trump University more head on than is expected of debate moderators, but her explanation of the case offered important context for viewers and an important challenge for Trump. Now, let's hope he doesn't launch another Twitter rant about her.
http://www.bustle.com/articles/145890-megyn-kelly-schools-donald-trump-on-his-trump-university-suit-like-a-boss
Thanks for the thread, Merryland.
Tanuki
(14,910 posts)of doing something like this the very next day, especially in the middle of the last minute GOTV push in the days preceding the next round of primaries?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)That's what campaigning is all about, talking to as many voters as possible. It shows a fundamental difference between Bernie and Hillary. Bernie talks to and appeals to voters, while Hillary talks to and appeals to the 1%, they are her true constituency, Bernie's constituency is working Americans. BIG difference.
Tanuki
(14,910 posts)about her overwhelming support from the communities of color throughout the South. I'm at a loss as to why you think they are "the 1%" and somehow excluded from your definition of "working Americans," but I can assure you that she built this coalition over years of being present and forging genuine relationships, and not by appearing on Fox or parachuting strangers in at the last minute to gin up "enthusiasm."
Beacool
(30,245 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)fake scandal.With Sanders fans cheering them on.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Bernie's message can actually win GOP voters, he regularly gets 20% of the Republican vote in Vermont. When you talk right to people's needs and issues, they respond.
When you don't have a message for everyone, you have to hide from certain segments.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)going on FOX ought to get those viewers more comfortable with her than Bernie...a socialist against an alleged DI
NO? I think Hillary is just too smart to take that bait. Bernie will and it will be a trash Hillary love fest between them and the RW who already hates Hillary and anything Clinton will just have their views re-enforced. Bernie on FOX will just make Trump's numbers go up.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Apparently you missed the Benghazi hearings. She's exceedingly capable of handling a "slew" of gotcha questions from hack interviewers.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Well, apparently Fox doesn't need her.
More snubbing from the chosen one. Looks great to people on the fence, right?
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)In Foxland, Bernie is king. It's Hillary they want to demolish.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)This may be the most ridiculous thing in this thread....which is saying a lot.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She stands on her own and doesn't need to be seen with him.
Politics 101.
livetohike
(22,115 posts)NV Whino
(20,886 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)She has a prior commitment, which is understandable.
Bernie, FWIU, will bring up income inequality, the future of the workplace, and environmental protection -- all in regards to the GOP-caused Flint water emergency.
Tanuki
(14,910 posts)and I am sure he will bring up all of those points. They are also debating again in Miami on March 9, courtesy of Univision and the Washington Post. Do you really think another encounter is necessary in a 4-day period? They will both have ample opportunity to get their ideas across and confront one another, it would seem. I'm wondering if all of this fuss may be due to the fact that Tad Devine realizes Clinton has a distinct advantage on the issues related to the Flint catastrophe and wants a last-ditch chance for a reset after the Flint debate and before the Michigan primary March 8.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Andy Dillon, good friend of the New Democrats and former Gov Jennifer Granholm, was the guy who is alleged to have "signed off" on the water switch.
The memos Snyder released say Dillon was the official who made the call to OK the switch to Flint River water.
Dillon said he thought Flint wouldn't be using the water to drink. Honest.
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2016/01/former_michigan_state_treasure.html
Important for DUers and Democrats to know:
After failing to win the Democratic nomination to oppose Snyder in the gubernatorial campaign of 2010, he failed to support the Democratic nominee, Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero. So, Dillon was invited to serve as State Treasurer.
Ex-rival Andy Dillon slights Virg Bernero
Mich. Democrat leaders: Party is unified
by Chris Christoff
Detroit Free Press,August 7, 2010
House Speaker Andy Dillon was drubbed in the Democratic gubernatorial primary by television ads that portrayed him as a greedy Wall Street raider who opposes a woman's right to choose abortion.
Then he was drubbed by rival Lansing Mayor Virg Bernero in Tuesday's election.
Friday, a visibly relieved Dillon smiled and said he was ready to work for Democrats in the fall campaign.
But he caused a buzz by not endorsing Bernero in front of about 200 Democrats assembled in downtown Detroit for a post-election unity breakfast.
"I want to make certain some of the things I was fighting for are going to be embraced," he told reporters afterward. "Then we'll get there. We don't have to decide that today."
He added, "It's not a slap. We just got done with a campaign. I'm going to take a vacation. We'll sort it out when I come back."
It was another enigmatic move from a politician who has become an iconoclast to some fellow Democrats, scorned by some union leaders as too cozy with business and too frosty with organized labor, and criticized as a legislative leader.
CONTINUED...
http://archive.freep.com/article/20100807/NEWS15/8070314/Ex-rival-Andy-Dillon-slights-Virg-Bernero
A Democratic hedge fund manager who supports making money over Democracy.
Tanuki
(14,910 posts)firm, and more recently he has lawyered up big time. But I have read enough of your posts to know you are smart and well-informed, and that you are aware of that. I think that both Sanders and Clinton care about the people of Flint and want good outcomes for health and prosperity of all Americans, and my support for one does not require trashing the other.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,002 posts)It's not their viewers will cross over and fall in love with Bernie or Hillary.
She can spend her time being with voters who actually will vote.
To me it's desperation time to go on Fox News at the last minute.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I suspect she thinks she has a big enough lead to win the Democratic nomination, so why subject yourself to any questions from the press or voters that could make her look bad? She is going to try to sit on her lead, do tightly controlled events and raise money from big donors.
When is the last time she had a real press conference or took tough questions from the press that travels with her? She was supposedly going to take questions from them the other day and there were a handful of questions about primary politics. It was obvious that ground rules on what kind of questions she would take had been set.
RealAmericanDem
(221 posts)Go Vols
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AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)bigwillq
(72,790 posts)And Bernie Sanders
arcane1
(38,613 posts)MineralMan
(146,241 posts)So, that's probably why. Why should she participate?
I'm sure she'll be out campaigning in Michigan, instead. That's what I'd be doing.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,708 posts)MineralMan
(146,241 posts)on Fox News. It also doesn't bother me if they refuse to do so.
Quite frankly, the Fox News audience is not productive of people voting for Democrats. It's not where I'd choose to campaign if I were a Democratic candidate. I'd simply decline any invitations that media outlet sent.
The day before the Michigan primaries is a good day to do a whirlwind campaign visit. The local TV news will be out there covering those visits by Clinton and, presumably, Sanders. People do watch their local news broadcasts. Democratic voters watch them, too.
Were I Hillary Clinton, I'd be stopping in Flint again, to check on how things are going. I'd show up in several other communities, too, as a GOTV effort. I suspect that's what she'll be doing that day. She's a smart campaigner.
Bernie will be doing a "town hall" on Fox News, because he knows he's going to lose in Michigan and Fox News is a national media outlet. He's thinking about other states, I'm sure. Still, I'm not sure how many potential Democratic voters will see the broadcast. Fox News' audience is mainly older Republicans these days. They're not Bernie's constituency, I'm thinking.
Still, it's his campaign, and he hasn't asked me for any advice.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)As PP and Elizabeth Warren were purged from purity, I suspect Fox news may itself be rehabilitated for the sake of immediate convenience... for a few days, regardless.
Strange days, indeed.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)stupidest campaign staff in the history of politics. Giving your candidate an INTERNATIONAL platform to speak, completely unopposed by the other Democratic opponent. Thank you, Hillary!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)whether or not we like it, there are some on the right who may be influenced by what the Dem candidates have to say. Some are sick of the crazy Right and are looking for something else. My sister is one of them. She has been a true Repub for years but cannot stand the candidates now. She is not a racist or completely stupid so she knows that she has to look elsewhere. She asked me a couple of days ago about Bernie and if I truly trust him. I told her that I do. She is seriously thinking about voting for him because she wants a "good person" as a President. She actually thinks that Obama is a "good person" and likes him much better than any Repubs out there. Not ALL of them are slimy, right wing filth.
BUT - here's the kicker. She still watches Fox. Not much, but when they turn on the "news" in their house, it's Fox. So for the Dem candidates to go on there, although I personally can understand how yucky that must be for them, I actually think it's a good thing because of people like my sister.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)That's one of Bernie's big advantages: crossover appeal.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,520 posts)PonyUp
(1,680 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Clinton agreed to do the Fox News Town Hall. I guess she isn't so much of a Democrat after all?
StevieM
(10,500 posts)how she could have been faulted for not doing a Town Hall or interview on that network.
TM99
(8,352 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)It seemed pretty innocuous to point out that it is reasonable for a Democrat to refuse a Fox News appearance. And I don't see why a reversal of that decision by a candidate is somehow something that exposes my position as illogical or ridiculous.
Do you really find it that hard to believe that I honestly believed that Hillary just didn't want to go on Fox News? Or that by changing her mind Hillary has clearly demonstrated that she never had legitimate concerns about a Fox News appearance?
TM99
(8,352 posts)is laughable.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)panader0
(25,816 posts)Well, where are you?
StevieM
(10,500 posts)And I think Hillary and Bernie are both too good for Fox.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)I believe there would be more challenges than just the FBI investigation. If she can't stand up to them now, what is she going to do if she makes it to the general? I wonder...