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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(107,900 posts)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:03 PM Mar 2016

Hillary Clinton wants to end private sector prisons

I've seen some here claim otherwise. Looks like they're wrong.

After seven years of promises, President Obama again vowed last week to close Guantanamo Bay, but for Hillary Clinton, if elected president, another prison-closure issue may loom larger — and be as tough to solve: the growth of for-profit privately run prisons across the U.S.

The for-profit prison industry is estimated at $7 billion to $8 billion, and both Hillary Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vermont) have spoken forcefully — Sanders even more so than Clinton — about a desire to phase out private prisons as part of the U.S. criminal system.

"In my view, corporations should not be allowed to make a profit by building more jails and keeping more Americans behind bars," Senator Sanders recently said. "Criminal justice and public safety are, without a doubt, the responsibility of the citizens of our country, not private corporations, and they should be carried out by those who answer to voters, not those who answer to investors."


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/money/dollar7-billion-sector-clinton-wants-to-put-to-death/ar-BBqlDZc

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Hillary Clinton wants to end private sector prisons (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 OP
...says MSM not Clinton. nt thereismore Mar 2016 #1
The LIES and absolute BS coming from her campaign are Orwell-worthy. reformist2 Mar 2016 #62
Sure she does noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #2
Sure that's why Sanders is leading Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #11
And Trump is leading Gwhittey Mar 2016 #56
And you know, I bet that quite a bit of Hillary supporters aren't fooled either... Raster Mar 2016 #13
I agree noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #26
....... polly7 Mar 2016 #32
LOL noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #38
No, I can't remember where I got it, I just thought it was funny.:) nt. polly7 Mar 2016 #40
You are right noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #42
:) ..nt TeeYiYi Mar 2016 #49
That's exactly what I say. Thats why private prison lobbyists are giving her $$$ (& Rubio) RiverLover Mar 2016 #48
A flip in her previous position that occurred only 4 months ago: Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #3
The claim was made because she TM99 Mar 2016 #4
She spoke out on it last year Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #9
Then she clearly spoke out of both sides of her mouth TM99 Mar 2016 #12
See reply 14 please Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #17
Nope that one got her ass handed to her. TM99 Mar 2016 #51
link? ish of the hammer Mar 2016 #23
The only person to take less $$$ this year is Rubio. NWCorona Mar 2016 #5
Even if it is true, she only wants them to not get more of the pie. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #6
Has she returned their campaign donations yet? jwirr Mar 2016 #7
That B.S. was debunked last year Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #14
If Gwhittey Mar 2016 #30
No it wasn't actually. A Hillarian tried to bluff and bullshit... Raster Mar 2016 #37
LOL!!! monicaangela Mar 2016 #8
+1 GoneFishin Mar 2016 #53
. NCTraveler Mar 2016 #10
I guess she'll be giving back all that donation money then? EvolveOrConvolve Mar 2016 #15
Lies. PowerToThePeople Mar 2016 #16
Is this a flip or a flop -- I've lost count. nt nichomachus Mar 2016 #18
What? They fund her! jillan Mar 2016 #19
I LOVE your spinning symbol! Makes me smile every time I see it. n/t CaliforniaPeggy Mar 2016 #41
I rally don't care what she says. The private prison industry has given her a lot of money. onecaliberal Mar 2016 #20
do you understand that Clinton HAS BEEN TAKING MONEY from.. grasswire Mar 2016 #21
Maybe you should read the whole thread? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Mar 2016 #25
I just read the thread. It doesn't support your POV. merrily Mar 2016 #36
The article posted by the OP doesn't even support their POV notadmblnd Mar 2016 #55
I'm sure she'll look into it. CharlotteVale Mar 2016 #22
More proof campaign contributions won't keep her from doing right thing. Hoyt Mar 2016 #24
Saying is not doing. (nt) jeff47 Mar 2016 #27
LMAO. Yet you buy Sanders' promises. Hoyt Mar 2016 #52
Nope. As explained to you repeatedly jeff47 Mar 2016 #63
lol UglyGreed Mar 2016 #28
Really? noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #31
"Proof?" LOL! "More?" LOL! Remind me what proof we already have? Please see also Reply 33 merrily Mar 2016 #34
Ta-dah! (You're correct!) NurseJackie Mar 2016 #46
Suuuuuuure... right after she takes on the insurance companies and wall street. basselope Mar 2016 #29
And after all Bubba did for private prison owners, too! merrily Mar 2016 #33
I posted this earlier but think it's important wrt the 'tough on crime' and disparaging remarks made polly7 Mar 2016 #35
Thanks, polly. The cynicism of the Clintons "jumping" on the this only after Republicans did merrily Mar 2016 #39
Yes, this type of thing should never have been allowed, as well as the profit-prisons polly7 Mar 2016 #43
As you know, New Democrats love them some privatization and some public-private merrily Mar 2016 #47
then she will have to give them their money back litlbilly Mar 2016 #44
Um... Then Why Does She Take Their Money ??? WillyT Mar 2016 #45
A half a sentence from Clinton vs a paragraph from Sanders. arcane1 Mar 2016 #50
Nobody believes her anymore coyote Mar 2016 #54
Me too. It's no longer about what she says. I don't believe it is anything but manipulation. She GoneFishin Mar 2016 #57
Then she is proably going Gwhittey Mar 2016 #58
How stupid are they to run Clinton coyote Mar 2016 #59
You just need to learn "Hillary Double-Speak" FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #60
hm hmmm... dana_b Mar 2016 #61
SHe was FOR them before she was against them Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #64

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
2. Sure she does
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016
It's just another Hillary pays lip service to a Sanders issue in her attempt to peel off Sanders supporters. No one is fooled except for some Hillary supporters.
 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
56. And Trump is leading
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:33 PM
Mar 2016

the GOP telling them lies. She is leading thanks to DNC being bought and paid for by lobbyist. For heaven sake our great DNC chair just supported a Bill that GOP is pushing that allows loan shark interest rates on consumers. Is this forum not suppose to a liberal place? Or am I insane.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
13. And you know, I bet that quite a bit of Hillary supporters aren't fooled either...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

...but I think they've got so much emotional capital invested in Clinton, that they can't even fathom walking way now. No matter how wrong it all feels.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
48. That's exactly what I say. Thats why private prison lobbyists are giving her $$$ (& Rubio)
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

So she'll lower their massive profits from imprisoning as many as possible & of course, she'll legalize pot.

Despite the refunds, Clinton campaign continues to benefit handsomely from the fundraising assistance of some closely connected to the private prison business. In another report filed Sunday night, the campaign disclosed that Richard Sullivan of Capitol Counsel—until recently, a Raleigh, N.C.-based federally registered lobbyist for the for-profit prison operator GEO Group—bundled $69,363 in donations for Clinton in the fourth quarter, bringing his total for the year to a whopping $274,891.

That makes Sullivan the second-most prolific lobbyist-bundler for the Clinton campaign, beaten out only by D.C. lobbyist Heather Podesta, who's tallied up $348,581 so far.

Sullivan's firm, Capitol Counsel, has been registered for years to represent GEO Group subsidiary BI Inc.—which focuses on electronic monitoring of inmates. While the firm continues to represent BI, Sullivan no longer intends to do so, according to a disclosure form filed with Congress on Nov. 9.

The figures and the policy rejecting donations from prison lobbyists includes only direct donations to Clinton's campaign, not supportive super PACs or state and federal Democratic committees.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/02/clinton-campaign-gives-private-prison-lobbyist-cash-to-charity-218524#ixzz41zR7B0d1
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
4. The claim was made because she
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

has never spoken out on this until now. Worse she has received tons of money from the private prison lobby. Even worse she supported her husband's policies in the 1990's that CREATED the private prison industry.

And now she is doing so because of Sanders and her polling in Michigan obviously.

She flip flops constantly. As usual, she is a day short and a dollar shy. I don't trust she will not pivot right back once elected.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
12. Then she clearly spoke out of both sides of her mouth
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

then because last year she was also receiving private prison industry money and endorsements.

You do know that makes it even worse, right?

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
51. Nope that one got her ass handed to her.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:16 PM
Mar 2016

Clinton did not cut ties until October of last year after much criticism was rightfully leveled against her.

It was in the news.

aikoaiko

(34,167 posts)
6. Even if it is true, she only wants them to not get more of the pie.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

Read it carefully. She doesn't want to end private prisons.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
30. If
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:36 PM
Mar 2016

Read thread further posts down say no it was not and the actually provided news sources not a Clinton talking point.

Raster

(20,998 posts)
37. No it wasn't actually. A Hillarian tried to bluff and bullshit...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

...that dog won't hunt. At one point and time, Clinton took funds from lobyists and/or PACs representing private prison companies.

So now she won't do it. FINE! But she did used to take money from the private prison industry, per her own campaign.



Clinton To Cut Ties With Private Prison Industry
OCT 23, 2015 11:45 AM

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/10/23/3715544/clinton-private-prisons/

On Friday morning, the campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton announced they will no longer accept donations from federally registered lobbyists or PACs for private prison companies.

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
8. LOL!!!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:09 PM
Mar 2016

As immigration and incarceration issues become central to the 2016 presidential campaign, lobbyists for two major prison companies are serving as top fundraisers for Hillary Clinton.

Corrections Corporation of America and the Geo Group could both see their fortunes turning if there are fewer people to lock up in the future.

Last week, Clinton and other candidates revealed a number of lobbyists who are serving as “bundlers” for their campaigns. Bundlers collect contributions on behalf of a campaign, and are often rewarded with special favors, such as access to the candidate.

Richard Sullivan, of the lobbying firm Capitol Counsel, is a bundler for the Clinton campaign, bringing in $44,859 in contributions in a few short months. Sullivan is also a registered lobbyist for the Geo Group, a company that operates a number of jails, including immigrant detention centers, for profit.

As we reported yesterday, fully five Clinton bundlers work for the lobbying and law firm Akin Gump Strauss Hauer & Feld. Corrections Corporation of America, the largest private prison company in America, paid Akin Gump $240,000 in lobbying fees last year. The firm also serves as a law firm for the prison giant, representing the company in court.

Akin Gump lobbyist and Clinton bundler Brian Popper disclosed that he previously helped CCA defeat efforts to compel private prisons to respond to Freedom of Information Act requests.

https://theintercept.com/2015/07/23/private-prison-lobbyists-raising-cash-hillary-clinton/

onecaliberal

(32,816 posts)
20. I rally don't care what she says. The private prison industry has given her a lot of money.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:22 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure they've gotten assurances.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
21. do you understand that Clinton HAS BEEN TAKING MONEY from..
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:23 PM
Mar 2016

...the private prison industry??

And that means her words are outrageous and meaningless.

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
55. The article posted by the OP doesn't even support their POV
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016

Outside of the title and one sentence saying she'll dismantle- the article was about Bernie and what he said.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
63. Nope. As explained to you repeatedly
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

those positions are intended to change the political dynamic, so that disaffected and independent voters return to the polls.

See, your side is the one insisting Sanders's proposals are iron-clad promises. We aren't.

What's all the more amusing is you refuse to apply this same analysis to Clinton proposals. How, specifically, she going to get Congress and Republican state legislatures to expand the ACA?

She can't. Yet you refuse to deride her equally-impossible "promises".

merrily

(45,251 posts)
34. "Proof?" LOL! "More?" LOL! Remind me what proof we already have? Please see also Reply 33
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

Yeah, I know. She went down to Wall Street and told them to cut it out. That proves she's incorruptible and disproves all indications to the contrary.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
33. And after all Bubba did for private prison owners, too!
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:40 PM
Mar 2016

Republicans are opposing them for cost. As Hillary was getting ready for this run, Bubba said he was wrong. one of very few things he has admitted that about. I'm sure it's not because Republicans now oppose them too or that his wife was about to run for POTUS. I'm so tired of people pointing to random coincidences like that, as though this stuff is calculated up the yin yang.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
35. I posted this earlier but think it's important wrt the 'tough on crime' and disparaging remarks made
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

that helped to make it such a problem.

Stop Locking Up Children, Americans Say

Published on
Thursday, March 03, 2016
by Common Dreams

'The things we’re doing aren’t just wrong because we’re doing them to kids, they’re wrong because we’re doing them to humans'

by Nika Knight, staff writer

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54,000 youth are incarcerated in juvenile prisons in America on any given day, according to a new campaign to reform the system. (Photo: Richard Ross/Youth First)

"Youth First argues that the current system "isn't safe, isn't fair, and doesn't work" and advocates for a new model of treatment for youth convicted of crimes, including involving family in a treatment plan that emphasizes rehabilitation and prevention. The group also argues for closing incarceration facilities and using the resultant savings to fund new community-based programs."

"Support for Youth First's reform proposals was robust even among those who have been victims of crime and those who have family members who have been victims, the poll found. Crime victims do not support the "tough on crime" rhetoric and punishment-based programs that were touted by U.S. politicians in recent decades, which were responsible for the corresponding dramatic rise in juvenile incarceration rates, the group said."

snip~

"Beaver described mentally ill children being placed in isolation units in lieu of treatment, legally-mandated school hours being called off for days at a time because of "lack of security staff," and kids doing nothing for 12 hours a day but sitting in a tiny windowless room watching "a box TV with about four channels." This is not to mention the violence, the ever-present threats of sexual assault, and the prevalent use of chemical and physical restraints by correctional officers in youth detention centers also cited by Youth First in its reform initiative."

"Youth First also announced the release of an online mapping tool that allows visitors to explore the racial disparities of youth incarceration—children of color are incarcerated at far higher rates than white children charged with the same crime, the data showed. Its mapping tool also brings to light the surprising number of enormous detention centers built for children in the 19th century that are still in use today."

Full article: http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/03/03/stop-locking-children-americans-say

bbm. I truly hope she addresses this as well.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
39. Thanks, polly. The cynicism of the Clintons "jumping" on the this only after Republicans did
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

speaks volumes, as does your article.

polly7

(20,582 posts)
43. Yes, this type of thing should never have been allowed, as well as the profit-prisons
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

that ruin lives - sometimes forever. To see them addressed by 'anyone' would be so great. But it's difficult to believe she really cares that much about it all of a sudden - especially after receiving money from those profiting from it. jmho.

merrily

(45,251 posts)
47. As you know, New Democrats love them some privatization and some public-private
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:00 PM
Mar 2016

"partnerships," which too often means public tax dollars and private profits.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
50. A half a sentence from Clinton vs a paragraph from Sanders.
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

I know who means it and who merely claims it.

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
54. Nobody believes her anymore
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:28 PM
Mar 2016

She could take more populist views than Bernie and I still will not vote for her...she will say anything to get elected.

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
57. Me too. It's no longer about what she says. I don't believe it is anything but manipulation. She
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:34 PM
Mar 2016

has played clever word games so many times that now I don't believe anything she says.

 

Gwhittey

(1,377 posts)
58. Then she is proably going
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:38 PM
Mar 2016

to need to get a Trump at bottom of some body water with cement shoes, because thanks to efforts DNC and M$M are doing to Sanders many people are going to sit out.

 

coyote

(1,561 posts)
59. How stupid are they to run Clinton
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 10:49 PM
Mar 2016

she represents everything that's wrong with the system not only to the right but to the left. The DNC is totally underestimating the people's anger in this election, thus the manifestation of both Trump and Bernie.

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
61. hm hmmm...
Fri Mar 4, 2016, 11:17 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511415159

well.... maybe when it's politically expedient (meaning her competition is getting a lot of support for this view which he has ALWAYS maintained) she does.
So "looks like they're wrong" or maybe, not so much.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
64. SHe was FOR them before she was against them
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:59 AM
Mar 2016

and if the tragedy occurs and she becomes the Nom - she'll be FOR Them again

Talk is Cheap.

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