Today I Quit Daily Kos by Salam Morcos

[Billsmile]

I was very disappointed at Markos Moulitsas (Kos) who suggested that writers should not criticize Hillary Clinton or her policies because Bernie Sanders is not likely to be nominated. While I strongly believe that Hillary Clinton would always be a stronger candidate than Donald Trump or Ted Cruz, the idea that Markos Moulitsas would demand that writers should not be allowed to have a second opinion is not acceptable in my view.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/4/1496201/-Today-I-quit-Daily-Kos

[FlatBaroque]

1. 1% vs. 99% - I see it in everything that occurs. /

[Jopin Klobe]

118. Because it's there ...

... in everything ...

... especially whether you live or die while giving them a profit regardless ...

[Rockyj]

150. This VID is already posted here...but she says it like it is!

And does a dam good job!

[Ivan Kaputski]

161. Class war.

[Herman4747]

2. DailyKos is over-rated -- DU is much better anyhow!

Moreover, you're not going to get Hillary to change her ways by staying silent on the matter.

[SCantiGOP]

20. Was DailyKos considered over-rated

Before the Hillary endorsement?

Add them to the enemies list with Morgan Freeman, Congessmen Lewis and Clyburn, Southern African American voters, the DNC, President Obama, etc etc

[PoliticAverse]

32. Yes. If you think Daily Kos is better than DU, then post there instead. n/t

[SCantiGOP]

48. I have been here a decade longer than you

And I have been a Star member all that time.
Get the hint?

[Joe the Revelator]

49. Dick measuring should only be at republican debates.

[PoliticAverse]

50. Yes, you also think Daily Kos is overrated. n/t

[w4rma]

53. Daily Kos is overrated. I've been a member of DU since its first few months after the (s)election.

Now don't discount other people's opinions because they are "newer" than you.

[SCantiGOP]

56. Not because they are 'newer'

Because they arrogantly told me to go post elsewhere.

[w4rma]

58. "I have been here a decade longer than you"

These are *your* words, not mine.

[PoliticAverse]

152. You took issue with someone's claim that DU was better than Daily Kos.

I challenged you to defend your contention with logically consistent action and we now see that you actually agree with the poster you took issue with - DU is better than Daily Kos.

[Bohunk68]

163. Well, smell me! Aren't I the most wonderful

person in the whole wide world. That doesn't make your posts any better than anyone else's or that they should be regarded with high regard. Actually, making a statement like that is very much over the line. Alert on it? Naw, always let statements like that ride because it shows the type of thinking that most people should avoid.

[Herman4747]

38. Actually I have thought Daily Kos is over-rated for...

...quite some time now. Likely since about 2009.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

71. Another thrown under the Bernie bus

[passiveporcupine]

160. Cause you would never throw anyone under the Clinton bus,

amiright?

Seems I've seen a few smashed bodies piled up around here lately.

Isn't it funny though that we are not allowed to disagree with anyone in our party, or we have "thrown them under the bus".

I would never throw Morgan Freeman under any bus...I love him dearly. We will just have to agree to disagree if he's for Hillary. God I love his voice. And he's a good man, and would not be for Hillary if he didn't think she was good too.

“Her life’s work has been about breaking barriers and so would her presidency, which is why for every American who’s not being paid what they’re worth, who’s being held back by student debt or a system tilted against them, and there are far too many of you, she understands that our country can’t reach its potential unless we all do," Freeman intones in the ad, which the Clinton campaign confirmed as new. "Together. A stronger country.”

Now see, I do think she has broken some barriers and worked hard for the good of a lot of people, women, children, POC...here and abroad, but not everyone. She takes too long to catch up with us on many issues, like gay marriage. But most important, she's worked hard to hurt a lot of people too, in this country and abroad. And I think that balances out to zero for me. She is pretty much ineffective in the long game. Whereas Bernie has never worked to hurt anyone. He's always been on the right side of good. He has not been in the position to help as many people as she was (being POTUS freed her up to work on many great policies and bad)...but if he wins, he will have that opportunity.

Together with Bernie we can make a stronger country and a stronger planet.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

173. No it's because anyone who criticises Bernie Sanders or praises Hillary Clinton

Is immediately disparaged, described as not very smart, a corporate stooge etc. See Elisabeth Warren for example.

This is America and one has a right to an opinion.

[passiveporcupine]

176. Did I disparage you? Or Elizabeth Warren?

I'm disappointed that Warren has remained passive in not announcing her endorsement for anyone, but not surprised. She used to be republican, so she is probably pretty conservative in a lot of ways. She may actually favor Hillary, but I don't know. The people who are attacking her now are foolish and mean spirited, but it's because they are afraid.

There are good conservatives out there.

Everyone of us who gets in these fights and attacks members of the other side (or throws them under the bus) is part of the problem.

If you respectfully want to vote for Hillary, that is your choice and I'm not going to attack you for it. If someone tells lies about Bernie, I will call them on it.

I will talk about Hillary and what I like or don't like about her, and why I won't vote for her. Until the primary is over.

[sabrina 1]

93. Daily Kos is and always has been the official website of the Third Way and Kos despises

the base of the party. Thousands have left that site over the years, he isn't good at hiding his allegiances.

It's a faux Democratic forum and the only reason Libs stayed despite his nasty attitude towards them is that he advertises himself as a liberal site, so every time he does something like this, and he does it often the push back has been so intense he has had to back down or lose his site.

Left that Third Way cesspool with its bullies and operatives years ago. The only reason anyone goes there is BECAUSE of Bernie Democrats who are a majority there and everywhere else because they ARE democrats. When they leave, his site will be as interesting as it was when it started, which was 'zero'. Until Progressives began posting and people came to read THEM. No one ever there to read kos or his boring FPs

When people have an alternative to his phony Dem site, it will be left with only the 10% of Third Wayers and fade away into oblivion

That is now happening as his kind of 'dem' are being overtaken by the real Base of the party and the Internet is a lot bigger than when he started these tactics and people have lots of alternatives now.

This should not surprise ANYONE who is familiar with that site.

[Herman4747]

133. I know that you are an extremely dedicated liberal...

...whose moral standards are high. Still, though, while the bad would outweigh the good, perhaps there is something about both Kos and his website that you could be happy about. To be sure, our own lives might be happier if we can detect some good in others somewhere.
I thank you for your thoughtful reply.

[sabrina 1]

143. Yes, the only good thing about a website that misrepresents itself to the public, are the people who

take it at its word and FIGHT to force the owners to adhere to their claims. We did that, as a result they were unable to drive off some of the best Liberal writers who stubbornly refused to go. Unfortunately many others were either kicked off for being too Progressive or left and went on to better arenas for their work.

Some of the most prominent progressives who blogged there years ago, are now nationally and even internationally known, though the left DK once they realized what it was and didn't want to waste time fighting the army of trolls and operatives.

So I would say I might never have known some of those great progressive writers if I had not stumbled on DK thinking it was a true Dem forum.

I still have good friends who fight constantly to keep them to their claims posting there. However there are other venues for Progressives now, unlike back when DK was one of the few and people are moving away to where they do NOT have to fight with trolls and operatives and can focus on the important stuff. Iow, building something new.

[passiveporcupine]

177. Please Sabrina

Can you list a few of your favorite sites for me to check out?

[Arazi]

142. I was very active there for @ 3 years. Left in 2008

The format favors incendiary or highly partisan diarists with the inevitable bicker of rox/sux down thread. The only exceptions are those paid to post on the front page - they try to keep their diaries more levelheaded

There's never any real discussion imo. GDP resembles DKos that way fwiw for those who haven't posted there. I see bravenak has started posting there, that environment suits her style perfectly. You like that? Go there

[Dem Socialist 2016]

144. Exactly!

Markos is a wolf whose clothing keeps slipping off and it's not pretty.

[gordyfl]

162. I Prefer DU

I pretty much gave up on Daily Koz, especially after they wrote about Bernie Sanders and the Benghazi Committee. It was a very inaccurate piece. I now seldom read it.

[debunction.junction]

171. I would like to think Hillary is moving left after listening to the people, but I don't.

I would like to think Hillary is sincere in what she is saying now. Her speech last night in Michigan sounded pretty good. Her speeches are getting better every day. If I didn't know better I would think Bernie was writing them for her. I guess in essence he is. Does she actually mean it? I would like to think so. Or, is it all for show? Most likely.

Regardless of who the Democratic nominee is, the American people MUST put them in the White House. There is too must at stake. If Hillary is the nominee, we must get behind her and give her a chance to show us that she means what she is saying now. If she does not follow through and makes it obvious that she was just pandering to get our vote. Hillary will not have a second term.

[NurseJackie]

3. @SalamMorcos: Oh, grow up!

[kstewart33]

11. Bingo.

My thought exactly.

[roguevalley]

45. yes, grow up and do what you're told. Nothing like obedience is there.

[RiverNoord]

64. Just a polite question.

I'm assume by writing 'grow up', you are indicating that you consider the excerpted text to be indicative of immaturity in some manner.

I didn't feel that when I read the excerpt.

(disclaimer - NurseJackie, I'm not criticizing what you wrote in any way)

If my assumption is incorrect, would you please take a quick moment to say so?

If my assumption is correct, would you please take a quick moment to explain what in the excerpt resulted in a sense, for you, of the author's immaturity?

Thanks

Um... sorry - I guess it turned out to be two questions. But only one that would apply..? I'll just stop writing now

[Laser102]

97. Been reading Daily Kos for years. Love that site.

[LisaM]

112. I know.

And it was thoughtful of him to post links to his articles that we all probably missed the first time around.....

[Loudestlib]

157. Another thrown under the Hillary bus

[Snotcicles]

4. I had to turn the channel when Mark Thompson's show MIP would have Moulitsas on almost daily

to shill for Hillary Clinton and belittle Bernie Sanders. I think 'Make It Plain" XM, took a beating because of it ratings wise. And so will Daily Kos.

[Docreed2003]

79. I love Mark...

I used to listen nightly. I respect him and his perspective on most things but Thursday with Markos has become annoying. Markos has been pooh-poohing the Sander's campaign since the spring. What has been most annoying about Markos is not his overt shilling for Clinton, but the fact that every chance he gets he pushes the meme that Sanders is out of touch and doesn't care for people of color. Many times Markos spews out sanctimonious crap about how a real progressive movement can only happen with slow gradual change and he shows absolute disdain for those on the left demanding change now. I rarely ever go to DKos now and I never listen to Mark Thomspon on Thursdays thanks to Markos.

[Snotcicles]

84. I pick up the same thing. Even after Bernie started showing the massive turn outs at his rallies.

It got obvious and old so I quit tuning in when Markos is on. I still listen to MIP but have a little less admiration for MT about the whole thing.

[elljay]

117. Same Here

I have some issues with Mark to begin with, but this last Thursday with Markos really pushed me over the edge. Markos seems to be more smug and arrogant than ever and I am not interest in listening any more.

[Lucinda]

5. That's not what Kos said... n/t

[72DejaVu]

17. Well, true

But when did facts start to matter?

[spooky3]

70. Exactly right.

[Doctor_J]

6. If you read Bob altmeyer' s book The Authoritarians, you will discover that Mrs Clinton supporters

fit the definition closely..

[Bread and Circus]

12. Please explain

[Doctor_J]

19. They tailor their views to their leaders, even if they are 180° from yesterday's

They like to impose rules on everyone, until the rules are a detriment to them and their leader, at which time they become anti rule. They simply tune out or ignore proven and obvious facts that conflict with what they are told by the leader. And so on.

[Bread and Circus]

22. That seems really familiar to what infests DU these days. All of a sudden long held progressive...

beliefs (universal health care, education, good paying jobs) have become "fantasies" and "unicorns" that are "un-realistic".

[closeupready]

62. lol you nailed it.

Good health care is, suddenly, unrealistic. A luxurious fringe benefit ... only for the 'lucky ones'.

[BillZBubb]

81. Don't forget the right wing "free stuff" comment by Hillary and her "progressive" followers.

I never thought I'd hear a serious Democrat stoop to that right wing low on government programs. Hillary's campaign and then her amen chorus took it and ran with it.

Live and learn.

[Bread and Circus]

83. Yes the "free stuff" is straight up Freep resentment mongering

[Red Oak]

92. If Hillary's non-progressive, conservative views were all

consolidated in one place and published, she would be banned from DU for a TOS violation!

Amazing times.

[Chan790]

158. I don't know about that.

There have been plenty of fairly-obvious conservative Republicans who have come here over the years to disrupt and sow discord that have lasted ages.

Likewise, there have been no shortage of Hillary backers (not the majority of them, but the disgusting vanguard) that have espoused tremendously anti-progressive, homophobic, racist and sexist drivel here in support of their candidate going back to the outset of the 2008 primary in late 2006 that are still here. (I do remain befuddled how she can have any support whatsoever among LGBTQ individuals and PoC when she's been such a long-time vicious opponent and advocate of their continued oppression for so long. I don't buy or believe in political evolution...one is either an opportunist changing with the wind to gain support or one willingly collaborated with oppression as long as it was politically-advantageous to do so.)

There seems to be no real compelling motivation upon the admins to clean up DU of fake Democrats and centrist/center-right/right-wing disruptors.

[Bohunk68]

164. In regards to the GLBT community

How true it is what you said. My partner and I were, like a lot of others of our community, grossly disappointed with DADT and DOMA and all the other right-wing garbage during the Clinton Administration. The screwing over of the POC community as well. She finally came on board for Marriage Equality AFTER the Supremes said it was ok. Wow, wasn't that courage on Her Highness' part? She STILL has not come out for full rights for the GLBT community other than what the Supremes have said was OK.

[Enthusiast]

86. That's what it is, you nailed it!

[dana_b]

90. and when people who have long held these views

and have not wavered from them become the the other side, it's unnerving. I know that some of her supporters USED to support those views. What happened??

[MisterP]

105. or StealTheBern: they're very excited about Clinton's workable and unprecedented plan

for free college!

[artislife]

30. It has been enlightening. nt

[newthinking]

59. Definitely.

It is not rocket science. The only ones who don't see it are those in the middle of it.

I will have to read that book. It was an awakening when I realized how the psychology of authoritarians works and how it thrives on a an almost schizophrenic partitioning of the mind. Authoritarians are tremendously duplicitous and hypocritical. But the same phenomenon gives them very little capability to evaluate their own inconsistency.

Thus why they are so dangerous to society.

[GoneFishin]

136. That's the part I can't understand. At some point when their compass is spinning around radically

can they not compare yesterday to today and see that something is cognitively wrong?

[DownriverDem]

21. Vote for the Supreme Court

I find your comment so untrue. I am a proud liberal who happens to support Hillary. A Dem win in November is a must. Whose side are you on? Comments like this make me wonder if you are a repub troll. I like both Bernie and Hillary. I will vote for whoever wins the nomination. Without a Dem win in November we will be screwed. We finally have a chance to get a left leaning Supreme Court for the next 30 years. Why not concentrate on that?

[Spitfire of ATJ]

42. Bernie wants someone to rule against Citizens United....

That's Hillary's paycheck he's messin' with.

[dchill]

57. And you don't mess with a Clinton's paycheck!

[gcomeau]

73. Uh huh...

I am a proud liberal who happens to support Hillary. A Dem win in November is a must.

Therefore you are supporting the candidate with the far higher unfavorable that polls worse against all potential Republican nominees.

How's that work?

[DownriverDem]

134. I support my candidate

Why is it when I tell folks I support Hillary they come back at me with a RWNJ hate talking point? You don't get it. I support Hillary for all her work and experience. She has worked for women, children and a national health insurance plan for decades. As Secretary of State her foreign issues experience is important too. You never know what you will face. She is well liked by leaders in the world. Vote for Bernie. That's your right. Just forget attacking Hillary to folks like me. We are not your enemy. We are all needed. If Bernie wins the primary, I will vote for him in November. Please focus. This is about the Supreme Court too. We will keep moving forward if we focus on November and what it will mean for progressives. The issues that you like Bernie for will be bye bye with a repub win. A left leaning Supreme Court is what will move our progressive ideas forward.

[gcomeau]

135. When did poll numbers...

...become a "RWNJ talking point"?

The numbers are what the numbers are. Perhaps you should take a deep breath and spend a little time acquainting yourself with reality.

[Doctor_J]

82. You are projecting. I am in favor of uhc without insurance companies. I'm against capital

punishment. I'm for tax funded college, deep Pentagon budget cuts, a$15 minimum wage, drastic cuts to our overseas involvement, gay marriage rights, and ending fracking and offshore drilling. I'm against TPP. How in the world can this sound to you like a republican troll?

You are starkly exhibiting the authoritarian tendency to invert reality. And fyi I cast my first vote for a democrat in 1978. And haven't voted for a republican since

[Enthusiast]

87. Massive +1!

[Karma13612]

95. I see your massive +1 and

Raise you +100 more!
🙂

[Enthusiast]

125. Yay!

[Bohunk68]

165. To use an old Navy expression to what you posted:

Fuckin' A ditty bag! Right there with you! Say it again and again.

[H2O Man]

26. Good call.

That book is essential reading.

[Aerows]

108. I'm actually reading it now.

Thank you for the recommendation!

[Doctor_J]

113. Scholastic yet accessible and even entertaining

First book I downloaded when I got my kindle.

[Aerows]

114. Once I finish reading

Hopefully you and I can share our thoughts about it.

[olddots]

7. its hard to be skeptical and not cynical

about these little net sites that get in their own way .

[Babel_17]

8. Dead to me ...

"Bring out the Dead to Me board!". lol

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/kyuvud/the-colbert-report-dead-to-me---raptors

They'll be losing diarists, and eyeballs. It's community that makes sites like that very popular. It's just not that unique, or even an essential read. It's not a smart decision. I've seen popular sites fracture over infinitely more trivial issues. Console gaming vs. PC gaming, Quake 3 vs. UT, nVidia vs. 3dfx/AMD.

People bail on sites because of bias over their games, and toys. Telling them to ditch espousing their political beliefs, and speaking aggressively for their candidate? Wow, that's so not going to be a success.

P.S. The following image has been known to cause an uproar to the point of moderators having to step in. lol. And even on sites dominated by well off/white collar, well educated, adults.



http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/the-glorious-pc-gaming-master-race

About

The Glorious PC Gaming Master Race is a facetious label used to attribute superiority to those who prefer to play video games on a personal computer (PC). Conversely, those who prefer to play games on a console are sarcastically referred to as “dirty console peasants.” Although initially used in the context of PC vs. console debates, this mocking phrase has since spawned a number of derivatives to criticize elitist sentiments that are prevalent in other subcultures.
Origin

On January 23rd, 2008, online video game magazine The Escapist[2] published a review episode of the PC game The Witcher[1] as part of their review series “Zero Punctuation.”[3] In the video, the narrator quips how The Witcher’s complex structure makes the gaming experience optimized for PC users so that “those dirty console playing peasants don’t ruin it for the glorious PC gaming master race.” Within six years, the episode gathered over 400 comments and 650 Facebook likes on the Escapist website.

It really is a thing that causes an uproar. I don't see Daily Kos as being immune to this effect.



Ha! Put supporters of political candidates, during the primaries, at the far right of the scale.

[bravenak]

145. I love this post for all types of reasons.

My husband is console his bff is pc, lol, they get dirty fighting about it...

[Babel_17]

146. I wouldn't blame anyone for not believing it

You have to see the kinds of threads it generates from otherwise warm and reasonable people.

It's like mentioning Wullerton <spits> in Dog River.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corner_Gas#Wullerton_rivalry

[bravenak]

147. Recipe threads.

I have seen recipe comment threads devolve into threats of violence and rages and all types of MADNESS. To the point where I take my bookmark off and go AWAY never to return. It just gets too bad. All over a cupcake or a cake cake.

But here is a funny one that I was not involved in:
http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/rainbow-cake-recipe-inspires-comment-apocalypse-1592575661

[Babel_17]

149. lol, wow! (nt)

[SCantiGOP]

174. Thanks, bravenak

That is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time.
And it certainly hits home. I have seen (and participated in) some discussions here that have been just as childish and ridiculous.

[bravenak]

175. Glad you liked it.

It reminded me of many of my conversations.

[basselope]

9. I went through my e-mails and unsub'd to all of DailyKos e-mails.

[kstewart33]

14. That'll show him. nt

[Duppers]

33. Well if 1000+ do it, it'll get some attention.

Last edited Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:42 PM - Edit history (1)

Yep, it a small step...but it's at least something.

I also considered canceling and may just do it.

Update: I just also unsubscribed.

[basselope]

35. Its one of the big ways they make their $$$.

So yeah... as more people opt out of the newsletter, their CPM's go down.

[DownriverDem]

27. Your choice

But you make me think of the kid who doesn't get his way and takes his bat & ball home.
Do you or don't you want a Dem win in November? Think Supreme Court. Daily Kos is not your enemy. I really feel sad that you don't have a more forward looking view of this election.

[basselope]

34. Yes, my choice.. my vote.

And if he is not going to allow diversity of opinions on his site... I have no use for it.

Just as I have no use for Clinton and have no plans on voting for her in the general election.

[Duppers]

37. " forward-looking"?

When has censorship been forward-looking?

[Maedhros]

156. You are using condescending metaphors such as "take my ball and go home"

to refer to principled progressives.

That earns a spot on the ignore list. Bye.

[Loudestlib]

159. Actually it's like a parent. You don't reward bad behavior. n/t

[Thespian2]

66. Good

I did that when Kos announced his support for the worst candidate in the primaries...

[Impedimentus]

10. I have better and more rewarding things to do than go to Clinton shill websites, like ...

cleaning the cats litter boxes. KOS is worse than CRAP.

[kstewart33]

13. Might Kos be more interested in pursuing a greater cause?

Beating the Republican nominee in the general election?

[DownriverDem]

31. Daily Kos is trying to help you

Daily Kos deals in reality. Go to fivethirtyeight.com Click on the Primary Forecasts in the upper right hand side of the page. The drop down box will let you check out all the upcoming races. Nate Silver is very accurate. All I care about is a Dem win in November.

[kstewart33]

39. Me too. nt

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

74. 538 has been thrown under the bus

Getting to be fewer and fewer options.

[madfloridian]

80. So why have the primary?

Why not just let Nate take a look at all the candidates, play with some numbers, and post his decision.

We'd save a lot of money that way.

[Enthusiast]

88. Huge +1!

[Duppers]

120. Yep!

And Nate called one wrong last Tues.

He's not always right.

[jeff47]

123. Then he's using the stupidest way to do it.

Telling supporters of one candidate to shut up and go away is the absolutely perfect way to alienate those supporters. Gonna need them in November.

If it really is so "in the bag" just let it play out. Stop actively harming the general election.

[eridani]

148. Sanders does better against all Republicans than Clinton

Where independents can vote in Dem primaries, he's getting 70% of their votes. Independents are 40% of the electorate vs 30% for Dems. How does Clinton win the general election without them?

[Starry Messenger]

15. Drama.

[SoapBox]

16. Voice and opinion suppression!

Just when one thought it couldn't get any worse...

Need I even mention Bush and Cheney?

[DownriverDem]

18. Sorry you feel that way

However, when all that matters in November is a Dem win, maybe you should rethink your view of Daily Kos. I like both Hillary and Bernie. I will vote for whoever wins the nomination. I don't consider either my enemy. We are really voting for the Supreme Court in November. I've been through a lot of Dem Primaries. Somehow some folks don't seem to understand how it all works. You pick your candidate, you work for your candidate, you get others to support your candidate & you vote for your candidate. Then when it's all over you support the candidate that won the primary. No matter what, a repub win in November would be a million times worse than the other Dem candidate. Why is it this year that we seem to be in a war with each other? Not realistic. Without a Dem win in November we can all kiss our progressive goals goodbye.

[Bread and Circus]

24. Your premise "all that matters in November is a Dem win" is wrong and myopic.

[DownriverDem]

36. Yea right

If the repubs win, it's over for a long time. How old are you? I ask because you seem to be blind to the last 35+ years.

[Bread and Circus]

76. LOL, the lesson I got from the last 35+ years is the opposite lesson you learned. What I have seen

is the Democrats slipping away from core values to win individual elections but overall slipping further and further away from what the Democratic Party is supposed to stand for.

My belief is we still live under Reaganism and that the Clintons and even Obama to some extent have just extended his legacy.

So yea, I am well aware of the last 35+ years.

You can't fight another man's game (which is what the Dems have been doing, enshrined by the Clintons) and expect to win in the long run.

Only looking at the next election is like trying to win a battle but losing the war.

[marew]

107. Agree completely! n/t

[kstewart33]

41. How so?

I'd really like to understand your reasoning.

[Bread and Circus]

72. Losing your political compass, just to win one election, spells trouble down the road and paints...

yourself into a corner.

The Democratic Party has been doing this "we gotta win this one election and then after that we'll change things" routine for how long now?

Surely you gotta see there is a pattern of winning a battle here and there but losing the war.

Is it important to win THIS election, yes. Is it "all that matters"? I say no.

[arcane1]

77. Exactly. Hell, Kim Davis was a Dem, but she would never get my vote.

"Voting for the uniform" instead of voting for the policy is one large reason we're in this mess in the first place.

[Robbins]

25. reality

Clinton is no progressive.no progressive goals will be acheived under her.

after all the DNC and establishment has done to rig game for clinton and voter frad in Iowa,nevada,and mass.

Bill Clinton personly attacked all bernie supporters as being like tea party.not to mention us being called racists consently by supporters.if not that then we are all sexists.

[DownriverDem]

43. Either you are with us or against us - Supreme Court

Don't attack our great candidates. You certainly don't sound like a Dem supporter to me.
I have followed Hillary since her work on the Watergate Hearings. She has worked decades for women, children and a national health care plan for all. These are very progressive goals. I find your comment so misplaced. In fact you sound like someone who is just mouthing repub talking points. The repubs have been attacking the Clintons since the 1990s.
In 2008 as Obama won states those superdelegates flipped to him from Hillary. Let the process play out. I will vote for whoever wins the Dem nomination. Why don't you do the same?

[Loki]

47. Because they want it their way or no way.

Doesn't sound very Democratic to me.

[Robbins]

54. You know i am really getting tired of people like you

not calling me real dem.when from 1992 to 2014 i always voted democratic.

I too remember things.that's why i will never vote for her.they have done everything in book against bernie and his supporters including swiftboating him on race and i am suspose to vote for her.

yeah supporting gop welfare reform and bashing bernie's health care propsols are so working for familys.

clintons only care about top 1%

calling me republican? That's cracy

[Loki]

99. You must not be reading this board very often Robbins.

Every right wing rag, every Republican shit slime, every dirty lie they can find they throw at anyone in their way and at Hillary Clinton. Don't dare say anything about dear Bernie, but I'm talking about Bernie's supporters. I've never seen the filth directed toward a Democratic candidate in my life, except by repukes. If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a fricking duck.

[Robbins]

101. i have been here plenty

i don't give a rat's ass about what republicans.

good luck with winning by personly attacking every bernie supporters but you clinton supporters and clintonc ampagin has been doing that all along..

yep ok to bash and personly attack everyone else but god forbid anyone say anythign against clinton.

[Loki]

106. Yea right. You all are perfect.

[Robbins]

111. Good luck winning while calling people

who have voted democrat for years republicans because they dared to challenge clinton.but what do i expext from supporters who
consently call us racists or sexists.or whose candiate's husband bash us all by calling us like tea party.

[Loki]

115. What do you expect from a candidate who has bashed this President and other Democrats

because they dared to disagree with him. It goes both ways Robbins.

[Bread and Circus]

78. Lol with us or against us is a George W Bush line.

[Loki]

100. Where will you be when the Republican's pack the court for the next 50 years?

Telling everyone that it was Nader's fault.

[jeff47]

124. No, I'll be blaming people like you.

The absolutely best way to harm the general election is to come down hard on the people who support the other candidate.

If it actually is in the bag, then there is no harm in letting the process play out. You'll still win. But as an added bonus, Sanders supporters will feel they got their shot but came up short.

Instead, your attacks and all the other similar attacks coming from Camp Clinton are actively harming November by needlessly angering Sanders supporters.

You either want to win the election, or you want to show how much of a superior human being you are. Right now, you're doing the latter.

[Loki]

127. I won't stay home in the general election.

You can't say the same.

[jeff47]

131. Yes, I can say the same.

I'll definitely vote. After all, my polling location is literally 3 doors down.

But which box I check can be influenced. It won't be Trump, but that leaves several options on my general election ballot.

The superiority complex you are tossing around, as copied by many other people, will be one of the things that influences that.

[Loki]

132. You would vote for Cruz or Rubio?

That's disgusting. Putting the lives of women, and their daughters and families at risk by voting for a Republican is beyond the pale.

[jeff47]

139. Wow is that a pathetic post.

You do realize we're talking about the general election right? Listing every Republican you can think of, believing you have a clever attack, is just sad.

[Loki]

140. I said I will vote for the nominee,

you being the little ...... said you'd find other alternatives, but you won't say you would vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. You are a phony.

[jeff47]

153. You're doing an excellent job of outreach

Golly, I wonder why so many Democrats are worried about people not voting for Clinton in the general.

With outreach like yours, how could this possibly be a problem?

Would you like to continue hurling insults and drive people further away, or would you like to put your sense of superiority at a lower priority than actually winning in November?

[Bohunk68]

166. BINGOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

+10,000 Just to be clear, that is reference to Jeff's post.

[Duval]

23. I am a Democrat who feels that my party has mismanaged the debates to favor Clinton.

I think a discussion is vital, but without the hate stuff. If I cannot express my feelings and thinking about a certain candidate, where is the discussion? I'm staying away from the site until after the primaries.

[Bjornsdotter]

28. I see we are going to be operating

...under the "Emperor Has No Clothes" principle.

If Hillary is such a strong candidate why does she need this type of overt protection?

[Loki]

104. Were you paying attention during the last election?

When Obama won? That one. What happened on this board. No Obama bashing was allowed.

[riversedge]

29. Read the article. criticism is allowed--there

are some reasonable conditions--like no RW sites.


Oh the drama!!

[obamanut2012]

55. Yup -- Kos didn't say that at all

[Cali_Democrat]

40. People who leave Kos are free to start their own websites. nt

[Ruby the Liberal]

52. They aren't welcome here?

Interesting perspective.

[NurseJackie]

67. I suspect that their window of opportunity will be a brief one.

Go, Hillary! We love you!

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

75. This ^^^^^^

[blackspade]

116. Speaking of the 'purge' I see.

[bvf]

63. Amazing. Thanks for the news.

Any more nuggets of wisdom you'd care to share?

Like, "Wheels are round"?

My god...

[Trust Buster]

44. Elizabeth Warren had to silence her social media account. Just sayin'

[Loki]

109. All because she hasn't given her support to "Dear Leader".

It's appalling, it's bullying, and that seems to be their tactics.

[Loki]

46. Awwwwwwwww poor hurt feewings.

Jeez, this is such childish behavior from so called adults. Did your parents let you behave this way?

[dana_b]

94. how rude and condescending

but typical. And you call us childish?

I think it's childish of the Daily Kos to squash free speech. If their candidate is so great, why do they need to protect her in some sort of bubble? A "no dissention allowed" bubble. Is she that fragile? If so, she won't make it past the summer IF she becomes the Democratic nominee.

[Loki]

98. I guess you guys can dish it out,

but you just can't take it. We've listened to your childish rants since the primaries began, trash talking and behaving worse than the right wing slime machine. Daily Kos is a blog that belongs to Marcos and he can do anything he wants with it. We had the same rules here. You either support the Democratic nominee or you're gone. Simple rules. Don't like them. then leave.

[TM99]

130. Y'all are going to begging for ours

votes if the rigged game gives the nomination to your queen.

Good luck mending any fences to get it.

[LisaM]

129. They aren't stifling free speech

They said they weren't going to circulate right-wing tropes and reasoned criticism from the left was fine. It makes me wonder what sources the writer relied on.

[Ellen Forradalom]

51. Kos fancies himself a kingmaker

The Hillary supporters were chased off DailyKos in 2008.

[Kaleva]

60. He really misinterpreted what Kos said.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

61. Many shortsighted folks are most concerned about their income first...

... I'm sure it has a tendency to sway ones opinion likewise.

VOX - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_Media
Former (I)ndependant... I mean (R)epublican Markos Moulitsas - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas
And His VOX partner Jerome Armstrong - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Armstrong

Make of it what you will.

[ConsiderThis_2016]

65. Money talks...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_Media
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Armstrong
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlogPAC

[tularetom]

68. If Markos Bullshitsus wants to declare his site an echo chamber thats his business

Its only going to wind up hurting him in the long run as people stay away from there in droves.

Most of us have not yet voted. I resent the fact that Mr Bullshitsus has made the decision that my vote doesn't count. But again, its his site, its his call.

[DawgHouse]

69. Two sentences, one contradicting the other

Was it a suggestion (first sentence) or a demand (sentence two)?

[The Second Stone]

85. One can only hope the DU follows and that the

undemocratic socialists are sent into the wastelands where they belong. Democracy means majority rule. Not Bro rule.

[Enthusiast]

89. K&R! This post should have hundreds of recommendations!

I will quit too.

[Jefferson23]

91. If you post her record you're not supporting her? lol

I am not a fan of dailykos, so no loss for me.

[itsrobert]

96. DU needs to follow suit, pronto

The people have spoken. Math = Hillary has won.

[SciDude]

122. No point in even voting.

Congratulations you are now a surf! Welcome to the oligarchy!

What a sad statement.

[MaggieD]

102. LOL!

Okie dokie.

[riderinthestorm]

103. While this isn't exactly what Kos said, its certainly how most interpreted it

I've been mostly posting there lately and its true that most of the Kossacks got the same message.

It will be interesting to see if he walks it back.

[marew]

110. I did also! n/t

[JohnnyRingo]

119. Kos is not ending dissent

He's just putting an end to the most toxic comments that are likely Republican operatives anyway. He points out that positive statements about Bernie are welcome if anyone still does that, and explains the difference between constructive criticism and hateful diatribe. Negative posts are still allowed if kept civil.

Apparently, many Bernie people think vile hate speech against Hillary is their only way to support Sanders.

[SciDude]

121. I think KOS sold out to the big $$$ oligarchs and that's exactly why I quit

as a long-time member about 6 months ago. I was disgusted by the way they sold out as an organization and it showed very early in the race as they tried to force Clinton and the Establishment on the members early on in the election cycle.

It was alarming for many members because KOS formerly passed himself off as a progressive but now clearly has aspirations to join the oligarchs he once railed against.

I now consider Daily Kos to be no different than any other self-serving media propaganda organization like Fox, MSNBC or CNN.

[Arazi]

126. Well there's always reddit and jackpineradicals.org

There are good fallbacks if a purge occurs

[Darb]

128. WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

How dare Kos use his head for something other than a hatrack.

Bring it, noseless.

[PatrynXX]

138. I have a feeling I'll be leaving alot of places

quiting no. they quit on me

[Dem Socialist 2016]

141. Markos Moulitsas is not a liberal

He is a DLC Democrat trying to make the Democratic Parry as CONSERVATIVE as possible. Sorta like Hillary, who he strongly supports, of course, or Debbie Wasserman. Markos screamed at and berated several Sanders supporters who called into a national radio show Thursday and decided for the Democratic Party Friday that the race is over. DU is a fair site. Daily Kos is run by a fraud.

[themaguffin]

169. Wow, just wow.

It's disgusting here how too many practice scorched Earth views because someone looks at the bigger picture.

I've been on both sites for a long, long time and you comment is not only grossly inaccurate, but disturbing that you would even say such crap.

[merrily]

151. Markos

Remarks about Hillary Clinton's 2008 presidential campaign

On March 17, 2008, Moulitsas stated that Senator Hillary Clinton, who was then involved in a protracted race against Senator Barack Obama for the Democratic presidential nomination, "doesn't deserve fairness on this site" because she "fails the test of the guiding principles of this site" and because Clinton had "no reasonable chance of victory". He accused her of "formenting civil war in order to overturn the will of the Democratic electorate" and said Clinton's "only path to victory [...] is via coup by super delegate."[22] His statement was precipitated by a "strike" conducted by several pro-Clinton diarists, even though none of these posters was paid or in any way officially linked to the site.[23] Moulitsas responded directly to the "strike" by saying that it was more like a "boycott", noting that "It's a big Internet, so I hope they find what they're looking for.

.......


Moulitsas is a fellow at the New Politics Institute,[33][34] a think tank of the New Democrat Network, which was founded by Simon Rosenberg in 1996. The NDN's stated purpose is to help elect "centrist" Democrats, and is considered by many to be a successor to the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC), an organization that Simon Rosenberg resigned from in 1996.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markos_Moulitsas

[billhicks76]

154. I Just Quit KOS Too

They are living in a bubble. Fantasyland.

[wildeyed]

155. And Kos is

under the bus too!

[houston16revival]

167. Whatever you do in November

let it be about the democratic principles you believe in and the way
those principles are played out in the democratic process
iwo, vote

Not voting as a snub to rival factions to soothe one's rigid principles
arrived at with perfect judgment is not very grown up

[stonecutter357]

168. under the Bernie bus.

[themaguffin]

170. What bullshit. You are being disingenuous & immature

[Dont call me Shirley]

172. Me too!