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madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 05:56 PM Mar 2016

To those who haven't yet voted...don't worry your little heads. 538's got this.

From Harry Enten at Fivethirtyeight March 2.

Hillary Clinton’s Got This



To borrow a phrase from Dan Rather, Hillary Clinton swept through the South like a big wheel through a Delta cotton field on Super Tuesday. She won seven states total, including Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas and Virginia in the South. She also won Massachusetts and American Samoa. Bernie Sanders emerged victorious in four states (Colorado, Minnesota, Oklahoma and Vermont), but his victories tended to come by smaller margins and in smaller states. The end result is that Clinton has a clear path to winning the nomination, and Sanders’s only hope to derail her is for something very unusual to happen.

....This lead is pretty much insurmountable. Democrats award delegates proportionally, which means Sanders would need to win by big margins in the remaining states to catch up. He hasn’t seen those kinds of wins outside of his home state of Vermont and next-door New Hampshire. Consider the case of Massachusetts: My colleague Nate Silver’s model had Sanders winning the state by 11 percentage points if the race were tied nationally and by 3 points based on the FiveThirtyEight polling average last week. Instead, Sanders lost by nearly 2 percentage points.

....Sanders, perhaps not surprisingly, has indicated that he’ll continue to fight for votes across the country. But for every win he may get in mostly white states, Clinton will be marching toward the nomination with likely victories in states such as Michigan and Florida. The math indicates that Clinton eventually will win the nomination with relative ease.


To paraphrase...Hillary will be the nominee but Bernie's welcome to be along for the ride.

This is shamelessly taking the human factor out of voting and pushing Hillary.

SO...to those of you in all these states yet to vote

...including the delegate rich state of California:

Too bad for you guys, but go ahead anyway. Just remember who's already won.

Idaho March 22nd

Arizona March 22nd

Alaska March 26th

Hawaii March 26th

Washington March 26th

Wisconsin April 5th

Wyoming April 9th

New York April 19th

Connecticut April 26th

Delaware April 26th

Maryland April 26th

Pennsylvania April 26th

Rhode Island April 26th

Indiana May 3rd

Nebraska May 10th

West Virginia May 10th

Kentucky May 17th

Oregon May 17th

California June 7th

Montana June 7th

New Jersey June 7th

New Mexico June 7th

North Dakota June 7th

South Dakota June 7th

District of Columbia June 14th





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To those who haven't yet voted...don't worry your little heads. 538's got this. (Original Post) madfloridian Mar 2016 OP
Mr. 538 is part of the national brainwashing campaign to force us to accept Hillary. reformist2 Mar 2016 #1
It's not working.... peacebird Mar 2016 #42
^THIS. silvershadow Mar 2016 #140
How's that delegate count working? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #142
How many states to go? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #167
Michigan on Tuesday. Shaping up to be another huge loss for Sanders. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #168
Ready to incorporate the idea of trend lines based on favorability ratings... kristopher Mar 2016 #172
Does it matter since 538 has decided the issue? madfloridian Mar 2016 #169
Just stop. Polling is done because people want to know. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #170
Oh noes!!! Yet another pollster goes under the bus! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #55
Seems this is all you got anymore whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #133
You want a serious response to the kneejerk, "If they support Hillary, they are corrupt!"? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #141
Reformist: SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #74
538 is not "Nate Silver" anymore kristopher Mar 2016 #91
Nate Silver is with ESPN...they are making voting movies together. madfloridian Mar 2016 #166
Nate Silver isn't the author of the OP n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #101
538 used to be good. Helen Borg Mar 2016 #103
Honest answer: SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #104
Honest question to answer your question: cprise Mar 2016 #111
I know, right? Jeb! Was a lock according to 538... oopsie? peacebird Mar 2016 #146
This is delusional bullshit. Adrahil Mar 2016 #150
What is a "desuted narrative?" Human101948 Mar 2016 #151
IPad keyboarding error. It was "desired". NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #152
Thanks! Human101948 Mar 2016 #153
I am trying to remember GeoWilliam750 Mar 2016 #106
Our overlords.... haikugal Mar 2016 #112
Between the media and the pollsters...we don't need to bother. madfloridian Mar 2016 #124
It is so apparent they've forever blown their cover. haikugal Mar 2016 #125
They DATA DRIVEN. Adrahil Mar 2016 #154
It's a corrupt system designed to keep the 99% under the thumb of the establishment... haikugal Mar 2016 #155
I look foward to reading your analysis of the delgates. NT Adrahil Mar 2016 #156
You mean the super delegates? haikugal Mar 2016 #157
Nope, take the super dels out of it. Adrahil Mar 2016 #158
They pledged before votes were cast, how is that based on democratic principles? haikugal Mar 2016 #159
What are you talking about? Adrahil Mar 2016 #160
I'm talking about the way delegates are divided up and super delegates. haikugal Mar 2016 #161
Kick warrprayer Mar 2016 #2
Also Kentucky May 17th A Little Weird Mar 2016 #3
Here's where I got that list...wonder if others are missing as well?? madfloridian Mar 2016 #4
Well, according to Daily Kos bernbabe Mar 2016 #11
that animated gif is so awesome navarth Mar 2016 #99
..... madfloridian Mar 2016 #139
I don't know A Little Weird Mar 2016 #16
I had edited KY in, but took it out until I get more info. madfloridian Mar 2016 #19
No I'm sure that it's May the 17th A Little Weird Mar 2016 #26
I added it back. madfloridian Mar 2016 #30
I will be voting for Bernie on March 26. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #5
And I for Bernie on June 7th. AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #85
Caucusing here on the 26th, as well. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #98
Arizona, also March 22. panader0 Mar 2016 #6
I'm in AZ too DesertRat Mar 2016 #73
Sure SheenaR Mar 2016 #7
538 has joined list of clinton supporters Robbins Mar 2016 #13
I'm sick of it SheenaR Mar 2016 #17
consider this Robbins Mar 2016 #22
I voted Dem for Kennedy plus Dem ever since. Now I'm not a good Dem for supporting Bernie. madfloridian Mar 2016 #34
We must be close to the same age, madfloridian. Duval Mar 2016 #115
I remember the huge lines that year. madfloridian Mar 2016 #120
I was converted to the Democratic Party in 1952. I wore an Adlai Stevenson pin in 1956. JDPriestly Mar 2016 #80
When did 538 call Sanders racist? randome Mar 2016 #37
No. We are saying black voters have decisively rejected him. hack89 Mar 2016 #94
It's sickening Kall Mar 2016 #68
polls and pronouncements are intended to shape outcomes, not measure them MisterP Mar 2016 #8
I have always believed that. madfloridian Mar 2016 #23
and here's a candidate relying on voter suppression! MisterP Mar 2016 #25
With the party chair on board.. madfloridian Mar 2016 #56
You've got that right! n/t marew Mar 2016 #58
Exactly. It's disgusting. And Camp Weathervane Dirty Tricks Squad pulls that shit constantly here. GoneFishin Mar 2016 #76
+1000000000. Eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #147
Time to get on with the General itsrobert Mar 2016 #9
If it is true that there is no path for Bernie to get the nomination Kalidurga Mar 2016 #14
Time to get on with the General Contrary1 Mar 2016 #20
She has Stuckinthebush Mar 2016 #69
Hillary has no path to the presidency greymouse Mar 2016 #110
Translation: Hillary is tanking big time TBF Mar 2016 #10
I can relate radical noodle Mar 2016 #12
Bernie is not going to win MaggieD Mar 2016 #15
Well good for you and 538. Too bad for the rest of us. madfloridian Mar 2016 #21
So you want to outlaw people having opinions? MaggieD Mar 2016 #27
I don't even know how to reply to that. madfloridian Mar 2016 #36
That was strange. ms liberty Mar 2016 #78
Crack is bbbaaaadddd. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #144
Bernie needs 53.8% of the remaining delegates. Far from impossible. MillennialDem Mar 2016 #72
Ok MaggieD Mar 2016 #109
The OP was a math teacher. I am hoping she can demostrate her proofs. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #87
The OP never claimed to be a math teacher. The OP taught grades 1-6. madfloridian Mar 2016 #100
Quote"397. Wrong. I taught "new" math "old" math for decades." msanthrope Mar 2016 #107
You just proved Madfloridian's point. Beowulf Mar 2016 #116
I proved that madfloridian previously claimed to haved taught math.... msanthrope Mar 2016 #126
In elementary school. Beowulf Mar 2016 #128
What the fuck? Seriously....are you suggesting that an msanthrope Mar 2016 #134
I consider your response disingenuous. Goodbye. Beowulf Mar 2016 #138
Grades 1-6 teach math everyday. madfloridian Mar 2016 #129
Well, if you taught it everyday, then you shoud be able to refute his math.... msanthrope Mar 2016 #131
If you feel the need to continue this, go ahead. I see you keep mentioning a jury? madfloridian Mar 2016 #132
I would never alert on you. I think your posts deserve a spotlight. msanthrope Mar 2016 #135
How many years ago was that? madfloridian Mar 2016 #136
I'm Sicilian. We count decades as seconds. nr msanthrope Mar 2016 #137
Irony alert (and some red baiting) nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #127
The OP was a math teacher. I am hoping she can demostrate her proofs. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #82
She was an elementary teacher. They teach math, language, science, social studies, reading, etc. wavesofeuphoria Mar 2016 #149
And they wonder why voter turnout is so low. Nanjeanne Mar 2016 #18
Kiss my ass Harry angrychair Mar 2016 #24
Math and data and demographics MaggieD Mar 2016 #31
Then stop the damn primaries, Maggie D. Why bother with voting? madfloridian Mar 2016 #38
So you all can see he really lost MaggieD Mar 2016 #43
Again, half the country hasn't voted angrychair Mar 2016 #49
Great - vote MaggieD Mar 2016 #51
Exactly!!! marew Mar 2016 #46
I will caucus for Bernie on March 26th angrychair Mar 2016 #28
me too! March 26. Go Bernie! liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #32
LOL - and I and my family will caucus for Hillary on the same day MaggieD Mar 2016 #35
Yep, "un-democratic" angrychair Mar 2016 #59
No, I have always thought that about caucuses MaggieD Mar 2016 #61
Closest we have ever come to agreeing so far angrychair Mar 2016 #64
I certainly hope your family is reading all of this crap you post Its Got Electrolytes Mar 2016 #95
No one in my family supports Bernie MaggieD Mar 2016 #108
What do you mean by "anti-democratic"? Duval Mar 2016 #117
He who lives by the crystal ball ends up eating broken glass. DinahMoeHum Mar 2016 #29
The MA totals are still questionable as well Ned_Devine Mar 2016 #33
Remember the exit polls problem in 2000? I'm looking for some articles now. madfloridian Mar 2016 #39
It is scary. Punkingal Mar 2016 #44
I seriously wouldn't put it past some party hacks to fix the numbers. reformist2 Mar 2016 #50
You believe exit polls over actual voting? MaggieD Mar 2016 #40
Thanks, MaggieD for keep my thread kicked. Means a lot. madfloridian Mar 2016 #41
It's a funny thread - she has been winning all along MaggieD Mar 2016 #45
Let's allow the statisticians to decide elections, take out the human factor. Right? madfloridian Mar 2016 #47
The PEOPLE are deciding it, and as predicted he is losing MaggieD Mar 2016 #48
Thank you for this crystal clear analysis. Trust Buster Mar 2016 #65
richard charnin caught the ptb adjusting the exit polls questionseverything Mar 2016 #63
This part..about the unedited exit poll MA...fascinating. madfloridian Mar 2016 #75
This is just embarrassing mythology Mar 2016 #162
it is embarrassing that blackbox "output" is accepted without question questionseverything Mar 2016 #164
charnin has done amazing work over the years documenting the "red shift" questionseverything Mar 2016 #163
Hello! "Super delegates" are not awarded proportionally! marew Mar 2016 #57
She will continue to win without super delegates. Nt hack89 Mar 2016 #96
I didn't buy it either. She leaped ahead by 22,000 votes in the first 20% of returns, then didn't GoneFishin Mar 2016 #88
This is why we have abysmal turnout, this narrative suppresses the vote and that's why they do it. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #52
What happened to Bernie's revolution? MaggieD Mar 2016 #54
Not to worry BlueNW ... KPN Mar 2016 #66
It ain't over! SoapBox Mar 2016 #53
Isn’t 538 the blog that told us Trump had ZERO chance and Jeb! was a lock for the nomination? Vote2016 Mar 2016 #60
Is 538 going to prevent you from voting? comradebillyboy Mar 2016 #62
Kick! FloriTexan Mar 2016 #67
So the coronation was today? Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #70
It Was Over Before It Was Over Billsmile Mar 2016 #71
On the Ides of March my household is voting for BERNIE SANDERS !!! erlewyne Mar 2016 #77
Hillary Clinton will still win the Democratic nomination and be elected President. George II Mar 2016 #79
...... madfloridian Mar 2016 #83
Where, how, and by whom? George II Mar 2016 #84
.... madfloridian Mar 2016 #86
Why do you link back to your OP to which we've all be replying? George II Mar 2016 #92
Because the question you just asked has been answered. madfloridian Mar 2016 #93
You were a math teacher. So tell us how the MATH is wrong. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #90
Not sure where you got that idea. madfloridian Mar 2016 #118
Here....where you claimed to have taught Math for decades.... msanthrope Mar 2016 #130
You were a math teacher, right? Show us how Nate is wrong. nt msanthrope Mar 2016 #81
Sorry. The math just isn't there...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #89
Can't wait for June 7th dpatbrown Mar 2016 #97
Another guy with ties to Clinton, I bet Helen Borg Mar 2016 #102
538 got it right once PatrynXX Mar 2016 #105
Hillary is a corporate whore Perogie Mar 2016 #113
It's just business. Ivan Kaputski Mar 2016 #145
2 here voting for Bernie on March 15th. nt Duval Mar 2016 #114
Mailed in my absentee ballot last week. madfloridian Mar 2016 #171
With 24 states and DC left to go...folks, 538 says we have a winner!! madfloridian Mar 2016 #119
Are they showing Hillary's results WITH superdelegates... madfloridian Mar 2016 #121
I would take a wild guess and say "of course " Karma13612 Mar 2016 #148
Awesome post! FloriTexan Mar 2016 #122
...... madfloridian Mar 2016 #123
Is it true that Obama didn't lead in delegates until May? madfloridian Mar 2016 #143
Kick because 538's new prediction says Hillary is IT!!! madfloridian Mar 2016 #165
Kick...nt SidDithers Mar 2016 #173
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
142. How's that delegate count working?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:41 PM
Mar 2016

That's all that matters.

Oh, I forgot -- that's been corrupted, too.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
168. Michigan on Tuesday. Shaping up to be another huge loss for Sanders.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:08 PM
Mar 2016

Care to project when Sanders takes the delegate lead?

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
172. Ready to incorporate the idea of trend lines based on favorability ratings...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 12:59 PM
Mar 2016

...and being out of Dixie?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
169. Does it matter since 538 has decided the issue?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:12 PM
Mar 2016

This is done to discourage voters in later states.

It's sickening.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
170. Just stop. Polling is done because people want to know.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:39 PM
Mar 2016

It's expensive to do, and if it didn't generate revenue (selling papers, ads, etc), it would not be done at all.

538's projections are the next logical step: scientific, statistically sound analyses.

Why the hell is everything a f***ing conspiracy?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
141. You want a serious response to the kneejerk, "If they support Hillary, they are corrupt!"?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 11:40 PM
Mar 2016

It isn't coming.

Derision and ridicule, and nothing more.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
74. Reformist:
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:32 PM
Mar 2016

Nate Silver's whole reputation is based on the accuracy of his predictions over the past 3 elections.
1 - Do you remember 2008 when he called 49 out of 50 states correctly? The night before the election he had NC and Indiana as toss-ups, so he gave Obama NC and McCain IN, but Obama carried both.
2 - Do you really think he would jeopardize his reputation and livelihood to be part of a "national brainwashing campaign"?

Argue your cause, but you do need to stay grounded in reality.

kristopher

(29,798 posts)
91. 538 is not "Nate Silver" anymore
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

He's affiliated, but there are several other analysts there who have a free hand.

SCantiGOP

(13,868 posts)
104. Honest answer:
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

If they were predicting an advantage for Sanders, would you still consider them a tool of the establishment?

cprise

(8,445 posts)
111. Honest question to answer your question:
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

Is Sanders a tool of the establishment?


Oh BTW... 538 said that Jeb was a sure thing!

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
150. This is delusional bullshit.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:18 AM
Mar 2016

They are a data-driven analytical site.

It's just that the data doesn't support your desired narrative now.

They've done the math. They've done not one, but TWO articles on what it will take for Bernie to win the nomination. He's not doing it. I know you want a story of rainbows and sunshine, but the actual data do not support it.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
154. They DATA DRIVEN.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:32 AM
Mar 2016

Actual delegates are being selected now. If you don't agree with their analysis, crunch the numbers and preseent another scenario. Let us judge which analysis is more plausible.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
155. It's a corrupt system designed to keep the 99% under the thumb of the establishment...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

You know the DC bubble that doesn't care about facts. DATA DRIVEN my ass.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
157. You mean the super delegates?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016
Bernie Sanders had a record number of supporters turn out to give him a 22 percent win over Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primaries.

It was a big win in terms of voter support, but it didn't translate to a big win in terms of delegate support.

Despite the fact that Clinton suffered the second biggest defeat in New Hampshire's history, both candidates walked away from New Hampshire with 15 delegates

Why?

Because in the Democratic Party, unpledged delegates, also known as "superdelegates," don't have to support the same candidate as the majority of voters.

In fact, the whole point of superdelegates is to give the party elite more control over the primary process.

That's not a conspiracy theory, that's what the chair of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) recently told Jake Tapper.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/02/12/we-need-more-questions-like-this-one-from-jake-tapper-to-debbie-wasserman-schultz-video/

That's right, the chair of the DNC said that unpledged "superdelegates" are meant to be a bulwark against grassroots movements in the Democratic Party.

Unpledged superdelegates have been a part of the Democratic Primary process ever since Ted Kennedy supporters challenged sitting President Jimmy Carter for the democratic nomination in 1980.

Democrats had started to feel like their primary process had become too chaotic, and that it was resulting in nominees that ended up losing in the general election.

So the party decided to make their primary process just a little less Democratic by cordoning off a percentage of the total available delegates as "unpledged delegates" who don't have to support the candidate that the majority of primary voters and caucus-goers choose.

It was a move in the wrong direction - it wrested control away from voters and made the Democratic primaries fundamentally less democratic.

And the Democratic Party has only accelerated the process of handing the party over to the economic elites in our country ever since then.

Back in 1992, Al From and the Democratic Leadership Council fundamentally changed the Democratic party with a "bloodless coup" that put Bill Clinton in the White House and replaced the Democratic agenda of FDR, JFK and LBJ with the agendas of Wall Street and global corporations.

Since then, the party ranks have been filled with third-way corporate Democrats and lobbyists.

And many of them, particularly the lobbyists, have become unelected superdelegates, despite their blatant ties to corporate America.


http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/34898-have-the-democratic-superdelegates-been-compromised
 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
158. Nope, take the super dels out of it.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:18 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary will win on plaedged delagtes. The 538 analysis includes only pledged delegates.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
159. They pledged before votes were cast, how is that based on democratic principles?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

She represents the status quo, the establishment and big money's influence. She'll promise anything to get a vote then turn around and forget you exist...unless you can pay for her attention. Hillary is not interested in working for the little people, the millions who are suffering.

Our system is broken and corrupt and going down hill fast.

 

Adrahil

(13,340 posts)
160. What are you talking about?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:32 PM
Mar 2016

Pledge delegates are the delegates selected in the caucuses and primaries. Super delegates are not pledged, they can vote for whoever they want. The 538 analysis does not consider super delegates.

haikugal

(6,476 posts)
161. I'm talking about the way delegates are divided up and super delegates.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:37 PM
Mar 2016

What are you talking about?

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
16. I don't know
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:11 PM
Mar 2016

Kentucky's primary is strange this year - we've always done a primary in the past where everyone voted on the same day. This year, the republicans are having a caucus instead (it's actually going on today). They did this to accommodate Rand Paul because there was a state law that would have made it illegal for him to run for senate and president on the same ballot (I don't really know all the details of that stupid decision). So maybe they thought we were voting before March 15th?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
19. I had edited KY in, but took it out until I get more info.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:14 PM
Mar 2016

I know FL has its primary in August, but we have a Presidential Preference Primary (16th)

That's confusing too.

Let me know.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
26. No I'm sure that it's May the 17th
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:21 PM
Mar 2016

I was speculating on why the post on dailykos might have left it out. I didn't mean to make the matter even more confusing. Here's some more info from ballotpedia -
https://ballotpedia.org/Presidential_election_in_Kentucky,_2016

panader0

(25,816 posts)
6. Arizona, also March 22.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016

Can't wait to vote for Bernie.
ETA: be careful--other posts about states not voting yet have been locked as not GDP

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
7. Sure
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:06 PM
Mar 2016
But for every win he may get in mostly white states, Clinton will be marching toward the nomination with likely victories in states such as Michigan and Florida


This and every condescending aspect of this post has become the standard by which (some) Clinton supporters talk to people now.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
13. 538 has joined list of clinton supporters
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

calling bernie and his supporters racist.

if we are all racists,sexist and like tea party and republicans why do you want us to vote for her.she's so much better than us
according to clinton supporters.

SheenaR

(2,052 posts)
17. I'm sick of it
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:13 PM
Mar 2016

And I don't care. The Democratic Socialists have a far brighter future than the Third Way.

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
22. consider this
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:18 PM
Mar 2016

i voted for

1992-Bill Clinton and dems
1994-dems
1996-clinton and dems
1998-dems
2000-gore in primary and GE & other dems
2002-dems
2004-Dean in primary and kerry and other dems in GE
2006-dems
2008-Obama in Primary and GE and other dems
2010-dems
2012-Obama and other dems
2014-dems

yet now according to some i am racist,sexist,anti-woman,like tea party,and a republican.

if you go after other dems like this because they support bernie instead of clinton how are you going to win independents.

Like you i have had enough of it.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
34. I voted Dem for Kennedy plus Dem ever since. Now I'm not a good Dem for supporting Bernie.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:28 PM
Mar 2016

It's ludicrous.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
115. We must be close to the same age, madfloridian.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

I have also voted Dem since Kennedy. Guess I'm not a "good Dem", either.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
80. I was converted to the Democratic Party in 1952. I wore an Adlai Stevenson pin in 1956.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:42 PM
Mar 2016

I have been a Democrat all my life.

I am voting for Bernie but not for Hillary although, as a Democrat, I will vote for all the other Democrats on my ballot.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
37. When did 538 call Sanders racist?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

I get that some of you don't like polling firms to talk about what they do but this is getting silly. It's their job to make predictions based on trends.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]No squirrels were harmed in the making of this post. Yet.[/center][/font][hr]

hack89

(39,171 posts)
94. No. We are saying black voters have decisively rejected him.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

but it certainly is not because he is a racist. They just like Hillary better.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
14. If it is true that there is no path for Bernie to get the nomination
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

Then waiting til the convention to be crowned shouldn't be a problem.

Contrary1

(12,629 posts)
20. Time to get on with the General
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:15 PM
Mar 2016

I see Hillary having no path to the Presidency. Might as well get on with it.

greymouse

(872 posts)
110. Hillary has no path to the presidency
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:34 PM
Mar 2016

Only Bernie beats Trump.

Besides the polls saying that, you can be sure that for every dirty trick Hillary, Bill, and the MSM pull, they lose Bernie voters if she is the nominee.

TBF

(32,041 posts)
10. Translation: Hillary is tanking big time
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:07 PM
Mar 2016

but if we can get those "retards" (tm: Rahm) to stay home she'll still win.


radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
12. I can relate
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:08 PM
Mar 2016

I lived in Indiana all my life until 2012 and regularly had to deal with "the nominee has already been chosen" thing. I can sure appreciate your feelings, but it's not new by any means.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
15. Bernie is not going to win
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016

I've been saying this since he first announced. By all means, vote. He still is not going to win. Why is it a problem to say that?

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
27. So you want to outlaw people having opinions?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:24 PM
Mar 2016

How about math and data? Should we outlaw that too?

I don't want to engage in hyperbole, but this touches on what I loathe about socialistic systems of government. They tend to be very authoritarian and seek to control speech.

ms liberty

(8,572 posts)
78. That was strange.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

Where did she get that from? I reread the whole exchange a couple of times trying to figure it out.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
107. Quote"397. Wrong. I taught "new" math "old" math for decades."
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:26 PM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5576177

Tell us all how Nate's Silver's MATH is wrong.

to the jury..it is not against the TOS to quote old posts. To that end...admin had provided a helpful search box. And, previously, this OP has had a post of mine hidden my claiming that quoting old posts is against the TOS. It is not. If it was, she would be able to cite it.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
116. You just proved Madfloridian's point.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:54 PM
Mar 2016

If you had a clue you would know that "new math" and "old math" refer to curriculum trends in elementary schools from the 1960's on.

538 is now owned by ESPN, which is owned by Disney. Not exactly impartial.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
126. I proved that madfloridian previously claimed to haved taught math....
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:57 PM
Mar 2016

so...still waiting on how Nate is wrong.

Beowulf

(761 posts)
128. In elementary school.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

I doubt that's what you originally intended.

538 is no longer Nate, it's Disney.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
134. What the fuck? Seriously....are you suggesting that an
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

elementary school teacher doesn't have the math skills to refute Nate?

Bullshit.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
132. If you feel the need to continue this, go ahead. I see you keep mentioning a jury?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:05 PM
Mar 2016

If you feel the need for that go ahead also.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
135. I would never alert on you. I think your posts deserve a spotlight.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:13 PM
Mar 2016

But you---you admitted to alerting on me merely for linking to your past posts.

Again......tell us the Math that disproves Nate Silver.

wavesofeuphoria

(525 posts)
149. She was an elementary teacher. They teach math, language, science, social studies, reading, etc.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 10:10 AM
Mar 2016

You are very disingenuous.

Nanjeanne

(4,936 posts)
18. And they wonder why voter turnout is so low.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:13 PM
Mar 2016

She's going to have a very hard time beating the enthusiasm of the Republicans in a GE if she's the nominee. People are seriously fed up with this crap.

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
24. Kiss my ass Harry
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:19 PM
Mar 2016

You are not a wizard.
Glad you decided the race before 24 states (half the country) has had a say. So tired of this shit.

If she doesn't need my vote to win now than she won't need it in November (provided she remains in the race and out of jail)

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
31. Math and data and demographics
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

So far the polls have been pretty spot on. We have a proportional system that makes it near impossible for him to close the deficit he already has. He has a slim to zero chance of winning.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
43. So you all can see he really lost
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:33 PM
Mar 2016

Look, every poll from the start until now has shown her winning. And now you're surprised she's winning? Does that make any sense to you?

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
49. Again, half the country hasn't voted
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:41 PM
Mar 2016

I am very aware how our system works. Again, if it is all the same to you I think he will stay in to the convention. As Democrats we have to leave someone in the race when the FBI come knocking on her door.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
51. Great - vote
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:44 PM
Mar 2016

He is not winning now and he won't be winning at the end. And if he stays in after it becomes crystal clear that the voters do not prefer him (Mar 15th) he will just look foolish. Whatever.

Your fantasy that she is going to be indicted re: email is just silly. But hang on to whatever you feel you need to hang onto. Makes no difference to me.

marew

(1,588 posts)
46. Exactly!!!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

And she has all those "super delegates" already in her camp that makes sure she cancels out regular citizens' votes for Bernie! She certainly does not need us! Democracy in action- NOT!

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
28. I will caucus for Bernie on March 26th
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

And support all of my brothers and sisters having their vote after I have had mine.
Union strong!

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
35. LOL - and I and my family will caucus for Hillary on the same day
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:29 PM
Mar 2016

Your guy will continue to win the caucuses because they are anti-democratic and favor his demographic. But they don't have enough delegates, nor will he win them by large enough margins to win the nomination.

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
59. Yep, "un-democratic"
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:54 PM
Mar 2016

When you lose. Just fine if you happen to win.


What the hell does "favor his demographic" mean? You mean the demographics of the Democratic Party? You know, all the people she will need to win if she makes it to November without going to jail first.
Have fun trying to win with 50% (at most) of 33% of the registered Democratic Party voters and a irrelevant percentage of independents and cross-over teapublicans (as you have noticed, teapublicans are already starting to concede that tRump in their person and backing off their rhetoric-that is if that turd doesn't end up in jail himself).

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
61. No, I have always thought that about caucuses
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:58 PM
Mar 2016


His demographic is young voters that have no problem getting to a caucus location on time and spending hours there. One of the reasons caucuses are undemocratic is because older, disabled, people that have to work while they are held, single parents with kids, etc., can often not attend.

Most young people don't have those barriers. He will do well in caucus states because of that, but he will still not win the nomination.

angrychair

(8,690 posts)
64. Closest we have ever come to agreeing so far
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:05 PM
Mar 2016

I understand the reasoning behind caucuses and that they are cheaper and easier to do than a primary.
Washington's Democratic Party does it for that reason. We pay for our own.
The teapublicans do a primary but pass the cost on to the citizens of Washington.

In our case, it's really that simple.

 
95. I certainly hope your family is reading all of this crap you post
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

then decide to caucus for Bernie, just to make you look silly.

So mote it be.

 

Ned_Devine

(3,146 posts)
33. The MA totals are still questionable as well
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:28 PM
Mar 2016

My state was anything but a clear victory. The exit polls showed Bernie at 52-46 over HRC and suddenly after some electioneering by career philanderer Bill Clinton, she ekes out a 50-48.5 win* over Bernie.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
40. You believe exit polls over actual voting?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:31 PM
Mar 2016

LMAO.

Look, the delegates are awarded proportionally. We don't count states won, we count delegates won.

 

MaggieD

(7,393 posts)
45. It's a funny thread - she has been winning all along
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:35 PM
Mar 2016

And now that the rubber is meeting the road you all seem SHOCKED that everything people have been saying all along is coming to pass. Happy to kick a thread in the name of reality. We could use some more of that around here, IMO.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
47. Let's allow the statisticians to decide elections, take out the human factor. Right?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:39 PM
Mar 2016

The polls from the beginning were based on demographics they could know, but the new voters did not fit those patterns.

The polls have been used to discourage...and that should not be their purpose.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
75. This part..about the unedited exit poll MA...fascinating.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:33 PM
Mar 2016
Sanders led the UNADJUSTED exit poll Gender crosstab of 1297 respondents by 52.3-45.7%. The poll was downloaded from the CNN site at 8:01pm .

Clinton led the final 1406 respondents by 50.3-48.7% – an exact match to the RECORDED vote. But her 50.3% share was IMPOSSIBLE. The proof is self-explanatory: How could Clinton gain 114 respondents and Sanders just 7 among the final 109 respondents?
 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
162. This is just embarrassing
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:46 PM
Mar 2016

You do understand that polls are weighted right?

Here's a link so you can better understand exit polling:

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/vote-2014-exit-polls-work/story?id=11996124

It's painful to keep reading these sort of uninformed posts that claim some grand conspiracy because you don't like the result of an election.

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
164. it is embarrassing that blackbox "output" is accepted without question
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 01:15 PM
Mar 2016

After the polls close the exit poll results are weighted using the actual vote count to make the data more accurate.
///

that quote from the link you posted is exactly what charnin has said for years, that the polling results are "adjusted" to match the "recorded vote"

questionseverything

(9,646 posts)
163. charnin has done amazing work over the years documenting the "red shift"
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 12:57 PM
Mar 2016

the country has experienced since electronic vote counting has been introduced in the mid 60s

further proof the results are not accurate,occasionally we catch reported numbers moving backwards

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280132764

marew

(1,588 posts)
57. Hello! "Super delegates" are not awarded proportionally!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:53 PM
Mar 2016

Forgot New Hampshire? Bernie blew Hillary away but after the super delegates were counted they were within a single delegate of one another.
Super delegates are free to choose whomever they want at the national convention, REGARDLESS of how the vote went in their home state. How to fix an election!

GoneFishin

(5,217 posts)
88. I didn't buy it either. She leaped ahead by 22,000 votes in the first 20% of returns, then didn't
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:47 PM
Mar 2016

gain at all during the entire remaining 80% or 1,000,000 votes. She finished with the same 22,000 lead she had from the very beginning.

It did not look normal to me at all, a giant leap at the very beginning followed by no more gains for the rest of the night. It looked like what you would expect if someone wanted to put her ahead, but not so outlandishly that it would be questioned.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
52. This is why we have abysmal turnout, this narrative suppresses the vote and that's why they do it.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 06:45 PM
Mar 2016

In that regard Hillary is a failure as front runner, shrinking the very Party she should be energizing and expanding. It's a strategy fit for Republicans. And her supporters revel in this turnout, in this disinterested electorate.

KPN

(15,642 posts)
66. Not to worry BlueNW ...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:23 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie's not going to lose. This kind of unbridled confidence is the stuff upsets are made of. Bernie stands a good chance even w/o the "arrogance" ... which in ordinary primaries does serve to discourage turnout. It's not working with the Bern.

comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
62. Is 538 going to prevent you from voting?
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:00 PM
Mar 2016

People are allowed to make predictions and say things you don't like. It's not 538 fault that Bernie is losing.

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
77. On the Ides of March my household is voting for BERNIE SANDERS !!!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

There are six of us ... old timey Democrats.

We roll up our sleeves and pay union dues.
Bernie is our idol !!!

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
93. Because the question you just asked has been answered.
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 07:54 PM
Mar 2016

Besides, why worry. Hillary will win.

Many who feel a little queasy about the primary will have decisions to make in November.

And all those states who haven't yet voted, but who are being told the nominee already....well that's another matter.

 

msanthrope

(37,549 posts)
130. Here....where you claimed to have taught Math for decades....
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 10:02 PM
Mar 2016

TO THE JURY......please note that this poster has previously dared me to post past links, then lied that linking to past links was against the TOS. In fact, admin has provided a helpful search box for just that purpose...searching. It is NOT against the TOS to post past threads....it keeps everyone honest.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=5576177

 

dpatbrown

(368 posts)
97. Can't wait for June 7th
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:06 PM
Mar 2016

We here in California will go BIG for the Senator Sanders. Everyone is talking about Sanders. I was born here in 1948, and can't wait. The first time in my life I get to vote for a progressive.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
105. 538 got it right once
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 08:21 PM
Mar 2016

thats it's claim to fame.. thats id nada. think even a fork in the road could said who'd win in 2012

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
119. With 24 states and DC left to go...folks, 538 says we have a winner!!
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:06 PM
Mar 2016

This has become a pattern, more noticable since 2000.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
121. Are they showing Hillary's results WITH superdelegates...
Sat Mar 5, 2016, 09:17 PM
Mar 2016

perhaps to discourage remaining 24 states plus DC?

To make it seem overwhelming?

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
165. Kick because 538's new prediction says Hillary is IT!!!
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:56 PM
Mar 2016

So I guess we just sit back and enjoy our statistician overlords.

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