2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forum2ND UPDATE: The Heart of the Country Just Went Socialist! (68% to 32%)
NY Times just reported that Kansas, home to the city of Lebanon--the geographic center of the US--has voted for the Jewish Socialist!
Stop for a moment, and contemplate that fact, and tell me that Bernie's not electable.
I'll laugh, all the way to Lebanon.
Well done, my socialist heartland!
UPDATE: BERNIE JUST WON NEBRASKA AS WELL!
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/nebraska
2ND UPDATE: BERNIE CRUSHED IT IN KS - 68% to 32%
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/kansas
Matariki
(18,775 posts)What a wonderful way to put that!
Rockyj
(538 posts)he lost Nebraska!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)A Bible-thumper of extremely questionable character. I only wish it were Bernie instead.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)roguevalley
(40,656 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Jenny_92808
(1,342 posts)YAY!
MuseRider
(34,105 posts)We know BS when we see it, mainly because we live with so much of it!!
We did it! Bernie bounce
artislife
(9,497 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)FEEL THE BERN!
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)thanks for the ROFL!
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)I'm never going to unsee that!
JudyM
(29,233 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Greetings from Communist Northern Virginia!
Deadshot
(384 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)Funny how irrelevant unelectable candidate is now being treated as a serious contender(but should drop out). Otherwise the closeness of the race would be embarrassing for the inevitable one.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)What a great Saturday!
truedelphi
(32,324 posts)Probably in the line of a major scandal.
Even if she gets in, which will be due to all the crookedness of her campaign and its cheating strategy throughout the primaries, she will not succeed.
Nixon didn't succeed in holding forth throughout his second term.
And she wouldn't be able to pull off a full four yrs either! Once she leaves, the people will occupy the WH, with Bernie as the major player!
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)where Bernie only got 23% in a primary.
He can win caucus states because his small group of supporters have more energy than the apathetic people who will not come to a caucus but WILL vote in the fall.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
during the depression and under FDR. They were union members too.
This is the Great Restoration.
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)that's a beautiful way to describe the mobilization bernie's campaign is inspiring across the land.
Volaris
(10,270 posts)It will change a lot more minds than
The soshilst revolooshun.
Let's make it a serious point to use it as often as we can.
It's also a really good way to frame the argument in contrast to what the elites have spent the last 50 years trying to tear down.
The Great Restoration. LET THEM be dumb enough to say they're against it.
(On edit) That which has been Named, cannot be unNamed.
Jack Rabbit
(45,984 posts)My mother was born near Plattsmouth in 1914.
[font color="red" size="1"]EDITED to insert the missing word in the title.[/font]
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)a2liberal
(1,524 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)get rid of the corporate corruption.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)Says a lot for how far we are moving the county! People aren't just voting on a secret ballot in a booth, they're openly caucusing for it! who remembers when "liberal" was like a bad word in the Midwest? 🙋
But, but, he's un-electable!!
senz
(11,945 posts)A fair and free America for ALL people.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)This week, they do.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)Hydra
(14,459 posts)This is going to convention, so have a seat and relax.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)WELCOME to our party! Get a glass of punch, put on your most dour look and mingle. Might's well get to know us. You're gonna see A LOT of us in the coming weeks.
72DejaVu
(1,545 posts)I always check my rear view mirror.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)but hold on for what's coming.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Minorities at record rates. I just yawn now when I see their divisive posts, and pass by leaving them with their feeble tactic which you would think by now they would know what a losing tactic that has been for them.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)the numbers don't prove it.....period.
angrychair
(8,694 posts)Great day for Democrats that advocate for every state to vote!!!
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)You're trying to use a broad brush on a paint-by-numbers set.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)wink wink
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)With a population of 2.9 million in Kansas, only 26,000 people voted for the socialist. Meanwhile, over 70,000 Kansas voters voted for Republicans.
What does this tell you? It tells me that Hillary still won more delegates on this beautiful Saturday and I'm not surprised that only 26,000 residents of the heartland voted for "free stuff".
angrychair
(8,694 posts)Well, nothing's "free". We will be paying for things like tuition-free college, paid family leave and an improved ACA to an eventual Medicare-for-all, through a tax that will mainly impact the very wealthy but some middle class will see an additional minor tax burden (not much different than in the HRC tax plan).
Given that you are cheerleading for the teapublican number of voters, using "socialist" as a cussword and using "free stuff" as a derogatory seems a little awkward.
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)FairWinds
(1,717 posts)I thought the ONE PERCENT got all the free stuff.
(Which, of course, they do)
Shame on you.
And Viva La Revolucion !!
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)Seriously was DU taken over at some point by the GOP? I saw this crap all time from them. Are you next going to accuse Africqan Americans only voting for Democrats because they are on the Democrats plantation and want free stuff? That is why GOP talk.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)I know you won't read this, but here is what a
national budget would look like without all the
FREE STUFF for the ONE PERCENT.
http://cpc-grijalva.house.gov/the-peoples-budget-a-raise-for-america/
This document should be required reading in high schools and
universities - along with the bat-s__t crazy Reich Wing alternatives
that we are living with now.
And note that the Progressive Budget, which comes out every year,
is NEVER covered by the MSM.
Does that tell you anything?
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)I'm not sure why you think proposals that would incentive corporations to move overseas by creating such a hostile environment for business make sense. The proposal would weaken our economy, lower GDP, and hurt workers and retirees.
America needs to level the playing field and give back to the middle class. We don't need tobin taxes and dual taxation of foreign earnings for US based corporations. Most countries do not tax profits made overseas...why is that?
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)the GOPPERS are the way to go.
the double tax meme is fraudulent.
every time you buy a soda pop, you are being taxed on income that has already been taxed.
Corps (that are not people!) will play by the rules we set. They cannot afford to not be a part
of the US market.
"Level the playing field," What the hell does that mean?
Let me just guess, you live and work in Corporate-land, right ?
Nothing wrong with that as long as you act like good citizens, which many of you
DO NOT!!
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Can you provide a list of developed countries that tax overseas profits earned by domestic corporations? You can't, which illustrates the problem with these so called "progressive" schemes. They don't work when the rubber meets the road.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)of their budgets to military expenditures that keep the seas, the oceans, free and navigable for the trade that enriches the multinational corporations and the ultra-rich?
American taxes do not go for frivolous things for Americans like free college in state schools or universal healthcare.
Not yet. (May Bernie win in November.)
They go to pay to keep the oceans safe for cruise ships, oil tankers and the shuttle of shoddy goods made by slave labor in underdeveloped countries to developed countries that allow the very rich to hide their profits in tax havens and yet enjoy the "security" that the taxes on Americans' every-lower wages provide.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)No one supporting this kind of policy rubbish can answer my question , because most of their policy ideas are little more than fairy tales.
I do agree though, that we could save a lot of money by getting out of the world police business.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)arlington.mass
(41 posts)Hostile environment for business?
Seriously? The "business" lobbyists own the congress, who write the tax laws to specifically favor them. Give me a break with your right wing talking points.
mostlyalurker
(37 posts)That's why so many corporations have HQ's which consist of a PO box in the Cayman Islands. It's an outrageous theft from the stable countries where they are actually located that allow them to run successful business with infrastructure, police forces, courts and regulated markets.
Kang Colby
(1,941 posts)Google it. The type of tax policy we are discussing is basically unheard of in developed nations.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)Contrary1
(12,629 posts)Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)''I'm not surprised that only 26,000 residents of the heartland voted for "free stuff".''
You are either a Republican plant or just willfully ignorant of Sanders' policies.
You had better go back and read them again.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Bernie's performance was very encouraging.
Free stuff?
If we talk about actual free stuff we should include the less than zero taxes paid by various corporations, massive fraud by the MIC and fossil fuel industry subsidies.
For everything Bernie has proposed there is a proposal to pay for it so there is nothing free about it. "Free stuff" is just a right wing meme that you are pushing.
progree
(10,901 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)Colorado Rambler
(40 posts)are going to give Bernie a HUGE win! What's the old saying? "As Maine goes, so goes the nation!" YES! I feel the Bern! I feel some effing hope for once. Now if you'll pardon me, I'm going to send off another $10 to Bernie out of my tiny social security check. Bernie's the man our nation so desperately needs. GO BERNIE!
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Given that that racist nutjob LePage is leading Maine, I hope that doesn't mean the nation is headed for racist nutjob Trump.
Colorado Rambler
(40 posts)Maine IS awfully close to Canada. Who knows how many Canadian subversives have followed Ted Cruz's example and snuck into the US via the backwoods of Maine in an effort to thwart our would-be new fuher? A spooky thought, it's true.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)One news article Said Hillary and Sanders got 1 win splitting the states. Another just mentioned Cruz inning 2 and talked about how this is momentum builder and then said Clinton won a major Victory in LA. No mention of Sanders at all.
Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)jmowreader
(50,553 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)That's what I'm talking about!
Feel the Bern, baby!
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)I'm totally for Bernie, but if you look at enough variables, you'll find some that correlate perfectly with past election results. Does not mean there is any causality! Is Kansas supposed to be the most representative state in any way? An ideal summary of the US demographics and all? I doubt it Just keeping it real.
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Everybody expected it.
Except that nobody did! 538 just a couple of days before the election had Hillary up! Folks, our democracy is being seriously tampered with by heavy media bias and deception.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Congrats!
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)Just as there is nothing wrong with African Americans voting for Hillary.
Madam Mossfern
(2,340 posts)It's the media trying to divide us.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)the tide is turning for the left, how do we turn this into winning impt downballot elections?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)He picked up 47 yesterday, was supposedly shooting for 52.
http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democrats/
He needs to start beating more target numbers to make up those early drubbings.
Faux pas
(14,667 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)Socialist Cows are now in control.
Just as an aside, living next to Kansas and below Nebraska all my life, you have to understand just how unbearable Red these states are. Even after Brownback decimated the state's ability to pay their bills, they closed schools, downgraded their credit rating, and yet Kansans gladly slit their throats again and returned him to office for another term to, maybe this time, take the state down completely, since he didn't finish the job the first time. What can I say.
Darb
(2,807 posts)More like the anus.
And I thought Bernie was a "Democratic" socialist?
"He's making it up as he goes along".
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)demwing
(16,916 posts)takers, every last one of them...
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)hfojvt
(37,573 posts)You think that proves he is electable? Like ALL of Kansas voted for him, or even a real majority?
Uh yeah. Obama got 439,000 votes in 2012 and that was only 38% of the electorate.
So tell me again how Bern victims are thinking rationally about this election?
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Total apples and oranges and you know it.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)a very very small number of Kansans voted for the socialist.
To think that this small number proves that the socialist is electable is ridiculous.
26,000 Kansas voters supported Bernie, the other 1,020,000 Kansas voters did NOT.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)in a conservative state like Kansas. It is very significant. That is why you are downplaying it. I know how you are.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)That I try to look at reality?
I am downplaying it, because I think it deserves to be downplayed.
Bernie has a core of what I consider to be "fired up" and also "foolish". Swept away by their emotions. This group of people is large enough to win a caucus even in a conservative state like Kansas, but not near large enough to win a primary in a conservative state like Louisiana.
Even primary-voters are more die-hard than regular voters, and a much smaller group. The year I ran for Congress for example, there were 22,503 votes in the primary election, but the winner of the primary got 65,445 votes. That is just ONE congressional district out of four, with almost as many votes in a primary as Bernie got for the whole state.
Caucus voters are a much smaller group than primary voters. A small group where a bunch of fired up people on a suicide mission can win the day.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)A socialist utopia!
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)but unlike some jerk who PM'd me when I say I'm leaving the Democratic party at some point for some juvenile to say I was never a real Democrat anyway yeah and neither are you or sanders a socialist I can tell which way this is heading. any bernie supporter is banned of DU at some point I can see this coming. I hope not , I hope the actual Democrat Bernie Sanders ignores the fake delegate lead which at least check is like 194 delegate difference (guessing I know it's less than 200)