You need 2383 delegates to win the nomination. Until one of our candidates reaches that number

[jillan]

PLEASE STOP suggesting one of them drops out of the race.

Unless of course you do not believe in the right to vote.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016

edited - demand was too strong of a word.

[gwheezie]

1. I'm thinking at some point it will make sense

For one to drop out. It's not at that point.

[pat_k]

12. I don't think so...

Win or lose the nomination, every dollar Bernie raises, every person inspired to play an active part in the campaign, every delegate won, helps disprove the notion that universal health care, billionaires tax, and so on, are "toxic" topics that democrats must avoid at all costs.

Inside the beltway, too many of them are certain that raising "socialist" ideas will bring the wrath of... well someone.. down on them. Bernie's campaign is showing them that what "comes down" is masses of money and a well-spring of energetic support. Seeing the real consequences of raising "socialist" ideas can help put some spine back into them... Well, perhaps not actual spine, perhaps just enlightened self-interest (Maybe I could rally some support and raise more money for reelection if I were bolder? Hmmm.)

Win or lose, change doesn't get done without the hard work of people across this country. His campaign is bringing in the "troops" needed for the fights ahead: winning back Congress in 2018; lobbying them to push through Medicare for all... If he drops out, any states that haven't voted yet will lose out because the people on the ground will have the wind knocked out of their sails.

No, he should not drop out. Not as long as there are people on the ground who want to fight for what he stands for. He owes it to us to stay in through the convention. And he owes it to us to inspire us to continue the battle, whoever ends up in the White House.

[gwheezie]

20. It will be up to the candidate

And please note I said nothing about it being Bernie, because even though I support Hillary there are a lot of states to go and you never know. So if there's a point where it's Hillary that has no chance, and she still has many supporters who are right behind her, you will not post here that she should drop out?
If it's really close, I can understand staying in until the convention, for either of them but if it's very one sided then the losing candidate might make the decision to support the choice of democrats and fall in line behind the party to get the GE fight going.

[pat_k]

21. Of couse it's up to them, but

I wouldn't want to see either of them drop out on 'the figures,' unless they had no intention -- or little chance --of harnessing what they've built through the campaign to continue the fight for fairness.

And frankly, the fight for practicality isn't particularly inspiring.

[LonePirate]

2. Who on DU has asked for a candidate to drop out?

Wanting HRC to be indicted and explaining math to Bernie supporters does not constitute asking a candidate to drop out.

[Hydra]

5. It's a meme that has been pushed here and on the MSM that Bernie is done

And should withdraw for the good of the party.

More tellingly, many threads objecting to this demand have been locked.

Someone must think there's something there if they are trying to shut it down.

[Hortensis]

17. Very few Hillary folk have called for dropping out.

OP shouldn't be so touchy. Bernie should continue. However, he is increasing his criticism of Hillary, and THAT is not good for progressivism. At some point he will have to switch from undermining our future nominee to focus on promoting progressivism and his vision for our way forward.

[whatchamacallit]

25. One infamous DUer has been sporting a graphic that says "Stick a fork in him. He's done." for weeks

We see the meme in one form or another several times a day.

[metroins]

3. I don't think he should drop out

I just think Sanders/Supporters should drop the attacks except on policies.

A healthy debate is good.

Posting links from freerepublic, RW email/benghazi talking points and alluding to a charitable foundation are not helpful.

I don't mind the race, it's just the attacks are beneath our party.

[MADem]

4. Until one of them CAN'T reach that number, I say slog on.

But once they cannot -- mathematically -- reach that figure, the smart thing to do is move towards unity.

[JonLeibowitz]

6. That number is 2383.

Anyway, if Sanders is running to the left of Clinton, what's the harm in getting all the votes in and building enthusiasm? I don't buy the argument that running a campaign to her left is giving fodder to the Republicans for the general election -- they're campaigning far to her right.

[pat_k]

13. Disagree. It isn't just about "winning"...

... and there is plenty of time for unity after the nomination.

The campaign itself has value far greater than just "reach{ing} that figure."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1423882

[roguevalley]

7. hrc group is doing it. threads are there.

[Contrary1]

8. Just keep repeating this:

Hillary Clinton - May 24, 2008: "My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right?. We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it."

[FreedomRain]

9. even if it is foregone conclusion, no need to drop out

And it not even close to that point yet. sure threads have been locked, the panic is really getting out of hand. Might be easier to lock threads suggesting anyone should drop out.

Going all the way to the convention is smart even if the loss is a foregone conclusion, for many reasons. Here are some:

- Influence on Party platform statements.

- Insurance in case of some political or personal disaster to the front runner, at least we will have a nominee ready to go.

- Airtime for the candidate or cause for future and down-ticket contests.

- Airtime for the front runner of the party that they wouldn't have otherwise; having a foil would give the media a reason to give the frontrunner another chance to reach undecideds.

- Using up campaign donations in the manner best fitted to fulfill the implied contract with--and the intentions of--the donors.

TLDR: Hillary still has a slim chance; she should stay in the contest.

[pat_k]

14. ...and in addition...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1423882

[FreedomRain]

18. excellent addition!

very good points there

[highprincipleswork]

10. Agreed.

[JDPriestly]

11. Actually, don't suggest that anyone drop out until we have ALL OF US voted.

Anything can happen. Live long enough, and you will realize that.

Let the entire primary season play out. Let us in California vote on June 7. Don't shut any candidate down until every last vote is counted.

Just reaching the maximum number of delegate votes does not decide the convention's outcome.

I do not want to start talking about what can happen because I hope nothing unusual happens, but don't count on everything going as it should.

We all get to vote, and the candidates should stay in until the end.

[pat_k]

15. Especially true given what the Sanders campaign is building along the way

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1423882

[winter is coming]

24. +1. The notion that we'd need from now until November to "unite the party" and

"prepare for the GE" is ludicrous. There will be months of time after the convention for a general election season.

[DCBob]

16. I dont think Bernie will drop out regardless.

In fact I think he already know he cant win but wants to keep his message out there hopefully have some influence at the convention.

[Kaleva]

19. That number includes super delegates

[Alfresco]

22. Will Bernie give his leftover primary funds to the Democratic National Committee?

[PyaarRevolution]

27. He knows most of us despise DWS.

So I'm going to say no.

[JaneyVee]

23. Dropping out allows likely nominee to start going after Repubs and...

Unifying the base up and down ticket.

[winter is coming]

26. There's nothing to keep either one of our candidates from going after Republicans now,

although they will be better able to target their criticisms after the Republican nominee has been determined. Given how unhappy the GOP party leadership seems to be with Trump, that might not be until after their convention, months from now.

As for "unifying the base", if you don't spend months alienating the base, you won't need 8 months to unify it.