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mmonk

(52,589 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:00 AM Mar 2016

Do you think the Bernie run if Clinton wins the nomination

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changes any of the rightward tilt of the Democratic Party in terms of financial and environmental regulations, trade, labor issues, privatization, social security and safety net issues, or not? Or do you see them still seeking deals that Republicans will control ideologically?

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RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
1. Clinton will go with repubs. Just one example, a video from less than 4 yrs ago where she basically
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:08 AM
Mar 2016

says Obama only talked against outsourcing because he was running for re-election & during a presidential election, you say things you don't mean~



First Clinton1, then Obama, ran as progressives and were "centrists" in office. How long will this charade keep going?

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
3. I just want to see or believe in hope.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:13 AM
Mar 2016

That is the reason I ask. Some sort of reward for the efforts of so many.

RiverLover

(7,830 posts)
5. I want that too. But I've seen too much triangulation from these third way dems.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:26 AM
Mar 2016

They capitulate to republican policies and claim they had no choice & how it really will be good for the country & how important it is to do something rather than nothing.

My whole life, that's all I've seen from Democratic presidents. They say the right things while running then its forgotten in office, except for the spin they put on their right wing ways.

I'd like to see a traditional FDR Democrat in the oval office. See what could really get done for our country.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
14. This. And it will break the party.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 10:13 AM
Mar 2016

The fabric of our supposed big tent is wearing very thin, since Third Way has been tugging it to the right for decades.

inchhigh

(384 posts)
6. I know Hillary fans will try to ease their guilty consciences by believing that
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:42 AM
Mar 2016

but they're voting for a right-winger and that's what they'll get. (Although that'll most likely be Trump because he will destroy HRC in the general).

The best we can hope for then is beating Trump in 2020 with an actual Democrat.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
7. No.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:47 AM
Mar 2016

Current Democratic mainstream party thinking is pure trickledown neocon politics and will not change.

Bernie or Bust.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
9. No. She'll run from the left faster than she tried to flip to it.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 08:51 AM
Mar 2016

There's already an article out about her insiders upset that Bernie is delaying her from appealing to Republicans. Her message should be universal, not me too.

marions ghost

(19,841 posts)
11. No
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:00 AM
Mar 2016

--that line only of thinking works for getting her elected.

Doesn't work that way any more when you're on the wrong side of big money ideologically.

 

djean111

(14,255 posts)
13. No. Not one iota. Nada. Zip.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:59 AM
Mar 2016

She would laugh merrily, in your face, at the thought. She would happily work with the GOP on the Third Way list of dismantling the safety net.

 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
16. If it doesn't stop the rightward shift of the party...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 10:19 AM
Mar 2016

...it may well cause the rise of a viable alternative that's actually a liberal party.

I don't expect any significant shift back to the left to occur. The corporate control of the party's leadership is essentially unbreakable, and this primary is showing me that the party has a lot of voters who are more concerned with having the president wear the party brand than actually promote progressive policies in several utterly critical areas. The party has largely abandoned progressivism, and while that decision has alienated a big chunk of liberal voters, it's clearly no big deal to a very big group of moderates and brand loyalists.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
17. nope, just a confirmation that we'll gladly send those who paid attention right back to the
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:16 PM
Mar 2016

veal pen or treadmill to power the party machine

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