How the Clinton machine bamboozled Bernie Sanders and the American voters

[pdsimdars]

I saw this video in another thread and thought it should have its own discussion. It's what I think should be said and Tim says it perfectly

[vintx]

1. Sad that Hillary's camp has so much power. And that so many people are in thrall to that power.

Get the word out.

SHARE THIS

[ZX86]

2. Dovetails perfectly with this one.

Why "Bernie Bro" Myth Is Bogus

[Bread and Circus]

5. Obama boys.... what a load

[Jenny_92808]

9. Truth to

Power!

[pdsimdars]

10. Cenk and TYT do some fine work and he gets to the core of things too.

[vintx]

11. Thanks for posting that

sad to see how low they'll sink.

[Lorien]

74. This is SO spot on! Yes, they use "Bernie Bro" as an insult to avoid

discussing the issues. Say ANYTHING to avoid discussing Hillary's real agenda and record! The TV zombies maybe hookwinked by this nonsense, but everyone with critical thinking skills is not!

[appalachiablue]

85. Check. 'The young women want to be where the BOYS ARE' Gloria Steinem on

Bill Maher a few weeks ago. Then she walked it back some in the press. Right...Those sexist, racist and white flight white liberal men are the problem.

[Bread and Circus]

3. Thank you for this.

[Armstead]

4. The guy nails it

[Jenny_92808]

6. Powerful Truth

in the OP video.

[appalachiablue]

7. Thanks for this impt. info. Tim Black rocks-

[Hiraeth]

8. THE CLINTON MACHINE IS FINELY TUNED AND WELL OILED. RUNNING RIGHT !!!

[peacebird]

15. True. She's running Hard Right. To her native turf.

[Hiraeth]

17. YES INDEED. SHE KNOWS HOW TO TURN RIGHT.

[peacebird]

29. Is your cap lock broken?

[Hiraeth]

33. no

[PatrynXX]

76. Good because it caught my attention :P n/t

[Hiraeth]

80. !

[leveymg]

53. Definitely, well-oiled with corporate money and running to the right.

[MisterP]

77. well, until the indictment hits

[Hiraeth]

82. may the dog and pony show continue ever more.

[azurnoir]

99. naw no indictment needed just a long loud messy investigation

I don't wish her harm personally and jail at 6? wouldn't be good

[PufPuf23]

12. The manipulation by the Clinton campaign of this issue is yucky.

Sanders was a member of CORE and a co-founder of the Congressional Progressive Caucus with Ron Dellums and Maxine Waters.

Sanders was a supporter of Jesse Jackson and a leader of the Rainbow Coalition.

Social economic and civil justice matters and Sanders has supported the progressive side consistently for 40 years and Clinton has not.

[99th_Monkey]

43. ..while Hillary was a Goldwater Girl to later champion mass incarceration & the war on drugs.

This is one of the most cynical & far-fetched -- yet widely effective -- mass deceptions in recent memory.

[appalachiablue]

95. Glad you brought up Bernie's actual record, which more need to know esp.

now after the recent campaign smears. That was always Bernie, not Bruce Rappaport in the Chicago Univ. photos. Impossible. It's been pure malice just to try to discredit his civil rights era truth. I think Bernie is also in another photo of the crowd behind MLK at the 1963 March that was posted here recently. Although I don't know if Bernie's campaign has used or verified the image.
In addition to college work and endorsing Jesse Jackson, as Mayor of Burlington Bernie was connected to US urban affairs and leaders, and while in Congress he's worked with other members and organizations on progressive issues to help minorities and all working Americans. Always.

[RATM435]

13. The clintonistas have no shame.

[INdemo]

18. This picture reminds me of a scene in Andy Griffith show when Barney

organized a rescue party to save Andy and Helen from the "Cave in"

"Its time for all good men to come to the aid of their Country"

Bill I know you read DU ..you looked so phony ..you broke 3 obvious election laws her and you should have been arrested.

[vintx]

14. Meanwhile on another thread Sanders supporters are mocked for 'not knowing what wall street is'

I'm starting to wonder about this site.

[RATM435]

20. The corporate democrats on this site would approve george w bush

More. if he hadn't invaded iraq, bankrupt the country and made hillary vote for it.

[vintx]

24. It's shocking.

It really is.

"What is wall street"?

Really?

[nxylas]

51. They'd approve * if he had a (D) after his name

That's apparently all that matters.

[RATM435]

68. Not quite bad as trump supporters but just as cultist.

[haikugal]

30. You don't know this site is run by the third way?

[vintx]

35. Well maybe so,

but the people posting are still democrats who've been paying attention to the same issues most democrats have for years... at least I'd have thought so.

[haikugal]

48. Not maybe. It is.

One would hope that it's true about paying attention but how does that help explain the Hillary supporters here who have used smears to undermine Bernie. It's been ugly and coupled with the concerted effort of the MSM to not give Bernie any coverage and the Clinton's Brock campaign along with Debbie Wasserman, Bernie, and we, have done an extraordinary job.

It's clear the establishment wants Hillary and it has nothing to do with making our lives livable or better in any way.

[Fuddnik]

31. We know what Wall Street is.

They either can't comprehend or they're being disingenuous. I believe the later. Don't bother feeding the trolls.

[CoffeeCat]

123. They were attempting to position Wall Street as a shiny beacon of hope

that all Americans participate in, if you have a 401k.

The talking point is that Wall Street is warm and fuzzy now.

Wall Street is you and me, kids!

[nashville_brook]

16. John Lewis was repeating this, "I never saw Bernie Sanders...I saw the Clintons" talking point

on MSNBC during Supertuesday coverage with Rachel Maddow. It took my breath away, after walking the story back and putting all this to bed he resurrected it. It was simply horrifying.

[vintx]

19. This campaign has made me lose respect for so many people.

At least people's true colors are coming out, that's a good thing.

[ZX86]

23. I hear you.

I am all for spirited debate on important issues but these Rovian type smears are disgusting.

[vintx]

25. And nothing about it from her supporters - just silence.

That silence says a lot.

[nashville_brook]

36. this is what happened in 2008 --

we had been supporting john edwards and when he tanked we went to HRC by default -- buying into all the "obama is unelectable" BS -- but then her campaign went into racist dogwhistle mode, and got uglier by the day.

it was as much losing respect, as it was seeing that a group of people tied to this sort of campaigning likely weren't to be trusted in anything else they put forward. once we turned the corner on that, the so-called electability issue completely disappeared. we simply didn't care, we were going to support obama come what may.

[BernieforPres2016]

39. How did John Lewis see Hillary Clinton in 1964?

Did he attend the Republican National Convention where Goldwater was nominated?

[nashville_brook]

50. why didn't Rachel Maddow ask him that?

i saw on Twitter that i wasn't the only person asking these questions. outrageous.

[appalachiablue]

105. I'm sick to learn that, terrible. If you watched MSNBC last nite, Chris M. did

a segment with NYC Mayor and progressive Bill De Blasio who recently endorsed Clinton. De Blasio was quite avid in claiming the Dems. are so lucky to have such 'progressive agendas, leaders and candidates'! And when Tweety brought up socialism there was a fairly brief, but decent discussion. Yet NOT ONE WORD about Bernie. Must be a new tactic..

[nashville_brook]

107. last night was all about erasing Sanders from the narrative.

should be interesting to watch the debate tonight, when they can't just ignore him.

[appalachiablue]

112. Trying to erase Bernie is right. Like the lousy DNC Debate schedule, more. CNN, MSNBC

last nite were dominant on Cruz' chances (?) and Trump everywhere-SAMO.

[Rebkeh]

21. Spread this video!

Share widely. Shout it from the rooftops!



Thanks, Tim!

[AzDar]

22. K & R

[stupidicus]

26. why are places like DU/DKos, etc, manned by BS supporter majorities?

because we are on average as participants, more politically astute than the average american voter, and therefore far more likely to vote for rather than against our own self-interests.

I've been extremely humored by the Hillarian efforts suggesting that their rightwing cousins have a monopoly on that "voting against...." thing

[Buzz Clik]

27. Why does he need a 1950s-style gigantic microphone for a computer-recorded blog?

[vintx]

28. Better sound input.

Better mic = better sound quality.

[Buzz Clik]

32. LOL!

What do you think his camera looks like:

This:



or this:

[vintx]

34. Do you know anything about AV?

I don't know if you're just trying to be funny or what.

[Buzz Clik]

38. The ONLY time a microphone that huge is needed would be for analogue recording,live broadcasts, or..

... ultra-high quality recording (e.g., lossless formats etc.)

A microphone like that is a goofy prop for someone uploading a video blog onto YouTube. "Look at me, I'm a broadcast journalist!"

[vintx]

42. Whatever man, good to know you care about the real issues being discussed here.

At this point I figure you're just trying to impress ppl here with your little comedy routine or whatever it is.

[Buzz Clik]

47. The "Why You Should Hate Hillary Clinton" clown show has hit rock bottom.

This guy's mic is the only thing interesting in his video.

[vintx]

52. WOW.

Just wow...

[Buzz Clik]

54. Exactly. A cartoonish mic for a YouTube video? Wow. Just wow.

[vintx]

55. No, a Dem who thinks smearing a candidate as a liar about their civil rights record

is just fine and dandy.

I'd expect you'd be nonplussed if it was done by Rove.

The fact that it was done by team Brock/Clinton and you don't care?

[Buzz Clik]

56. Oh, I get it.

You actually like have the same ground plowed again and again and again.

In viewing the video in the OP, did you feel the same head-exploding outrage about "photogate" as you did 6 weeks ago when that story was repeated endlessly for an entire week?

[vintx]

57. What's "photogate"?

you know what, nevermind. Don't bother, have a fantastic day

[Buzz Clik]

58. LOL!

Just noticed your double digit post count.

forget it.

[PufPuf23]

70. The Clinton campaign made the photo an issue and it looks like

there was a coordinated effort.

The issue was debunked but the debunking had no where near the coverage of the initial rat fuck.

Lewis resurrected the debunked story rather than the truth of the photo just on "Super Tuesday" cable tv coverage.

The story is no longer about a civil rights photo but about the continued rat fucking by the Clinton campaign.

Why are you even in this thread except to mock the messenger?

Some folks have no perception their own repeated bore and deflection.

For shame.

[Buzz Clik]

73. "Rat fuck"? Literally no one gave a shit about that photo/"debunking" except the Sanders crew.

No one.

[PufPuf23]

84. So it is ok in your universe to create an issue out of nothing and seed the media?

The Clinton campaign would be held in higher regard by their own Party if the tactic was to praise Sanders and go positive in general.

Many Democrats do not like nor trust Hillary Clinton and there is nothing she or her supporters can do about that now because she has so little credibility with nearly half of the Democrats.

Clinton is likely to win the nomination and may well win POTUS but it has been and will be at a cost to the Democratic Party and nation.

To me Sanders is the alternative to Hillary Clinton albeit it is refreshing to have a social democrat as a choice.

I think the Democratic Party could have come up with a far better candidate had not conventional wisdom and establishment support been so biased for Clinton.

[Buzz Clik]

86. LOL!

My complaint about this thread is the re-plowing of ground that has been plowed endlessly.

Sorry, but I will not join you in this retrospective.

[PufPuf23]

88. You all ready have. Babble on!

[nashville_brook]

108. uh huh, try again.

[Buzz Clik]

109. no thanks.

[nashville_brook]

115. seriously, the microphone? that's all you got?

did you even watch the video?

[nashville_brook]

114. an African American show host calling out HRC's race baiting = INTERESTING

no matter how big or small the mic is.

here's what Tim Black says, which I think is fascinating:

Elitist, Establishment, Line Toting black celebrities, politicians and CEO's formed Voltron along with Friends of Clinton to rewrite history and tarnish Sanders' candidacy all to make way for a very flawed, Hillary Clinton more attractive to Black voters.

The Democratic Party along with Liberal Media had a very clear goal: Fool black voters into thinking Bernie Sanders, as Russell Simmons put it, was "Insensitive to black people" as if going to jail and doing sit-ins was an act of selfishness instead of selflessness."

the reason this should be interesting to anyone interested in civil rights and social justice, is that there's a lesson encoded depending on which version of the story you subscribe to.

Is it (1) selfish and insensitive to black people to fight against racial injustice as a white/jewish person? or, is it (2) simply being on the right side of history b/c moral fights (like the fight against segregation) don't care for political gamesmanship, then or now?

personally, i find it sickening and ultimately counter-productive to criticize anyone for being on the right side of the social justice. but that's just me. YMMV.

[Buzz Clik]

116. even when he is covering topics that are months old? No. That's boring.

[nashville_brook]

118. this is an ICONIC Hillary campaign trick on the level of WILLIE HORTON

Capehart's still trying to walk this back.

this is no small thing to the progressives to whom civil rights and social justice actually mean something.

[Buzz Clik]

119. Ok. Keep talking about it.

[whatchamacallit]

96. Such ignorant crap

Here is a comparison of industry standard broadcast mics used for podcasts and videos.

http://recordinghacks.com/2011/06/02/ultimate-podcast-mic-shootout/

Beyond desired audio quality, the biggest issue is ambient noise and reflection from the recording environment. If you're not in an acoustically treated studio it's important to use good quality condenser or dynamic mics that provide adjustable polar patterns and off-axis rejection. Otherwise your recordings will suck and be hard to listen to.

But the saddest thing about your post is that you found an absurd thing to belittle Tim Black about.

[pdsimdars]

66. Nah, this guy never answers the message, only attacks the messenger

They have NO answers. . totally empty talk

[TheFarS1de]

101. Don't even bother trying ....

You have just encountered an Expert . They have no actual points so they either attack the messenger or disrupt the discussion .

[nashville_brook]

106. just for kicks...

[stupidicus]

72. to serve as a subject change object

for those wholly incapable of addressing or rebutting the real subject matter

that's the only strong suit some around here seem to have

[Buzz Clik]

75. LOL! Read the subthread. It's all there.

[dana_b]

104. lol!! Thank you!

[99th_Monkey]

37. K&R nt

[whatchamacallit]

40. Notice none of the local surrogates will touch him with a ten foot poll

Mysteriously MIA...

[vintx]

44. I'm curious what you mean by local surrogates.

Do you mean people on this site? Or people near his location (don't know where he's based)?

[pdsimdars]

67. I'm sure he means the usual suspects here who attack the messenger and never answer the message

[MaggieD]

41. More Sanders propaganda

I don't recall another campaign that has had its surrogates put out so much propaganda. I think it's a socialist thing.

[vintx]

45. Irony.

You're going for irony, right?

[MaggieD]

49. Not at all

I guess his supporters think this stuff helps him. It doesn't. It makes him seem all the more extremist.

[Buzz Clik]

60. Indeed. I was leaning Sanders early on.

The rabid-dog, "Hillary is the epitome of evil" approach of the Sanders campaign gave me pause. A little digging into Sanders's record as a politician (his only paying job), and I walked away.

[pdsimdars]

69. Man, that saint picture should be on fire by now

I have NEVER seen a post by you that was anything but against Bernie.

[Buzz Clik]

71. So? Does that mean they don't exist?

I've never seen Panda in the wild.

[grasswire]

63. hey, it keeps you kicking! nt

[whatchamacallit]

64. This "stuff"

Care to directly characterize or comment on Tim Black's views?

Didn't think so.

[noiretextatique]

78. That's LAUGHABLE considering the shit

That the Clinton campaign had flung at Black voters since the day Bernie announced. Ample evidence is right here from the usual suspects.

[whatchamacallit]

81. So the truth is now propaganda?

Let me get this straight, intentional media lies and defamation aren't propaganda, but setting the record straight is? Do you guys ever give your brains a chance to catch up with your typing fingers?

[MaggieD]

93. Not truth - propaganda

Definition- information, especially of a biased or misleading nature, used to promote or publicize a particular political cause or point of view.

Hope that helps.

[whatchamacallit]

98. So you're saying setting the record straight about who is in the photos is propaganda?

[ellennelle]

111. what?

are you like, 12??

do you have any memory of what swiftboating even means, and where the term comes from?

do you people practice being intentionally obtuse in front of the mirror?

you may find this harsh, maggie, but i am being flat out serious here.

there is not even logic or good sense to support your claim of ignorance, unless you are in fact 12 and were not alive when john kerry was swiftboated right out of the white house, tho his win was stolen from him in so many other, additional ways, by the powers-that-be establishment of that time, as those of us who have been democrats for longer than obama has been president know too well.

too well to take seriously something as obtuse and shallow as your claim. which is ultimately self-damning.

no doubt you'll go whine to some tribunal of judges cuz your sensitive feefees are so offended and hurt. but what is far more offensive and hurtful is the fact that hillary's supporters are spending so much time sniveling and sniping, without any care to just how alienating it is, without a thought toward how each such thoughtless cut shaves away valuable good will that hillary will need IF she wins.

but hey, here's the thing. what offends me almost as much is the fact that every time you guys block or hide (or whatever it is you do; i just don't hang here that much at all, and am not intimate with all these rules, good grief), you shut down debate. it is in fact the proverbial slamming the door shut. no discussion, no defense, no nothing. just wham bam no thx ma'am.

so, here's my pitch. i double dog dare you to let this comment stay. show you have that much courage. and you know what? i honestly believe you do. truly.

so let us just see if it even generates one response, by anyone. and if it does, see if there is support for you or damning of me, or vice versa, or some combo of both, whatev'. none of that matters. allowing the debate is what matters.

because you know what? none of this sniveling and sniping, or the vapors that send the H folks to the tribunal, not one bit of that is getting at the issues.

and you know what? this capehart/john lewis issue is just one of many for me, but i can honestly admit it is not one of THE issues we need to be debating here, and as a democratic community.

so i would dearly love to see your courage, in both allowing and participating in that debate.

[Duval]

46. K&R! "A Mass Deception"

Just, WOW!

[MrMickeysMom]

59. I don't know that you can "adopt" someone's values if you've had many years to value them...

She has had the same number of years to value black lives. Apparently, she kept ignoring the prison industrial complex and health statistics about the real war on drugs in this country.

All that time, and so many changed positions to adopt.... What to think.... ... Really... just NOW?

[vintx]

65. Yep, just now. Just like TPP, fracking, etc etc etc

Sad how many people are falling for it.

[highprincipleswork]

61. CLINTON-SPONSORED SWIFTBOATING!

[Botany]

62. Like I posted on 2/14/16

Somebody went into the University of Chicago archives and changed Bernie's name,
John Lewis tried to say that Bernie had nothing to do w/the civil rights movement,
Jonathan Capehart pushed the meme, and both Time and CNN tried to sell this
bullshit.

This was orchestrated and carried out by many people at many different levels
so my guess is this was the work of "creative response concepts," of Arlington,
VA because they were the ones behind the swift boat lies and Sam Alito's wife
running in tears because the Dems were so mean to her husband in his SCOTUS's
confirmation hearings (Gloria Borger then of CBS helped to carry the water and
push that lie).

And the next question is if and how was "team clinton" connected to this smear
campaign

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1231207

[nashville_brook]

117. not a challenge...

is there any more on Creative Response Concepts that could be used in a longer written piece?
is there a direct connection that can be cited?

i'd love to know if there's some meat on this bone.

[Botany]

120. here you go

http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Creative_Response_Concepts


From their home page

http://crcpublicrelations.com/Company.aspx

they specialize in getting their customer's meme into the media

[nashville_brook]

122. awesome!

had to go do stuff, will look at this now.

[sulphurdunn]

79. One of the sorriest pro-Clinton

arguments I hear is that the republican congress will work with her but not Sanders. Sound familiar? Hell, considering what the republican congress is that's a damn good reason not to support her.

[Fast Walker 52]

87. and I don't buy that at all-- they will put up the same crap opposition with her like with Obama

[sulphurdunn]

90. That's right, and she will empower

their obstruction by "reaching across the isle" just like Obama did for 4 years. The Republican Party is dying. It is being replaced by a pro-corporate fascist party of the same name. The days of reaching across the isle to it have been over since the day Obama was elected and won't be back until the hand that reaches across the isle is balled into a fist. Don't expect that from Clinton.

[Fast Walker 52]

92. actually I feel like the corporate sides of both parties are dying

though it will hang on with the Dems for longer, because they have a gentler face to put on it.

[sulphurdunn]

97. Yea, I can't argue with that.

Then the question becomes what replaces them? If the republicans continue moving right and the center moves with them, the only way a two party representative democracy can survive is for the democrats to move left.

[ellennelle]

89. utterly ridiculous!!

sanders has been the ONLY white guy to ever frikkin' visit the CBC for decades!!

just unbelievable.

to what depths will they not stoop?

[ellennelle]

83. what i've been saying

for a couple weeks now.

that whole thing was orchestrated.

just utterly disgusting.

surely to gawd there is something we can do about it.

but such is the nature of political machinery.

we must all commit with every fibre of our being to rid ourselves of this scourge.

no matter what it takes.

that is all.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

91. So the American people are stupid and easily manipulated

I'm sure repeating that meme will win Sanders a lot of votes.

[sulphurdunn]

94. The Clintons have made a career

of believing and acting upon it, and not without success.

“No one in this world, so far as I know — and I have searched the records for years, and employed agents to help me — has ever lost money by underestimating the intelligence of the great masses of the plain people. Nor has anyone ever lost public office thereby.” H.L Mencken

[KeepItReal]

100. *You* the one calling folks "stupid and easily manipulated"

Those words were NEVER said in the video.

He clearly points out the Clinton machine's misinformation campaigns and patronage-based attacks on the Sen. Sanders message, platform and history.

[KeepItReal]

102. Happy to K&R this man's insight

[dana_b]

103. and people wonder why so many won't get behind Hillary

just watch this video.

[Enthusiast]

110. K&R! This post deserves hundreds of recommendations!

Every word is the truth!

[Nitram]

113. Sanders was bamboozled? There's a sucker born every minute!

[felix_numinous]

121. This country has been manipulated and divided by corporate rule for years.

There are influences out there that DO NOT want this country united, awake and participating in any lawmaking process, so they foment racism, confusion, infighting, character assassinations, and lie to us to distract us from what their true agenda is. Call it being bamboozled because it works-- look at us.

Yet even though the populace IS DIVIDED, who would be best to unify the country? HRC would divide this country further--one investigation after another, of which she is not even worried about with all that corporate money. These people believe they are above the law because they have existed this way so far.

There is too much work to do on our infrastructure and in society to heal the rifts CREATED by these Republicans and Republican Lites. Bernie Sanders is a UNIFYING influence. If there is any divisiveness from people voting for him, it is NOT coming from him. The country is ALREADY DIVIDED.

Thank you for posting this great and clear video.

[vintx]

124. Sad that she's fooled so many.

Or maybe there are just favors to be repaid.