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Vattel

(9,289 posts)
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:11 PM Mar 2016

If Hillary wins the nomination, what should Bernie do?

Should he fall in line and sing her praises? NO, he should be faithful to his message.

No doubt he should and would endorse her because she is far better than the alternative, but he should also continue to make it clear that real change will require something that no President can achieve by him or herself: a revolution.

And what is that revolution?

It is nothing more and nothing less than enough people agreeing that power must be taken away from the few and given to the many, that adequate healthcare is a right, that a worker deserves a living wage, that immigrants have the right to be with their families and feed their families, that climate change needs to be at the top of our political priorities and not the bottom, that the government should not deprive millions of their liberty through incarceration, that war with its attendant slaughter and misery is almost always the wrong option, and that all of these revolutionary ideals must be transformed into practice because justice demands that transformation and well-being requires it.

To quote Bernie:

No matter who the next president of the United States is — this I say with absolute certainty — if that president is serious about addressing the huge crisis facing this country, that president cannot do it unless there is a political revolution.


What does a political revolution look like? It means that 80 percent of the people vote in national elections, not 40 percent. It means that billionaires can't make unlimited campaign contributions and buy and sell politicians. It means that the U.S. government represents the needs of all the people, not just the 1 percent and their lobbyists.


With your support and the support of millions of people throughout this country, we begin a political revolution to transform our country economically, politically, socially and environmentally.


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If Hillary wins the nomination, what should Bernie do? (Original Post) Vattel Mar 2016 OP
Retire n/t livetohike Mar 2016 #1
He doesn't seem to be slowing down much. Vattel Mar 2016 #11
Its funny that there wasnt all this deep seated loathing of the guy when we had a senate tie Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #60
He will endorse her. The end. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #2
I said that he should and would endorse her. Vattel Mar 2016 #8
He will endorse her, as he said he would do. longship Mar 2016 #3
Thank you for a sane response. zappaman Mar 2016 #4
I said that he should and would endorse her. So what's the problem? Vattel Mar 2016 #7
I wasn't talking to you. zappaman Mar 2016 #10
Oh, and here I thought you disagreed with my OP. Vattel Mar 2016 #38
Did you read the post? I said that he should and would endorse her. Vattel Mar 2016 #5
I was answering the question in your title! nt longship Mar 2016 #12
okay, fair enough Vattel Mar 2016 #17
This campaign is the start of The Revolution TDale313 Mar 2016 #6
wow looking at the answers here there can't be a lot of left leaning happening w0nderer Mar 2016 #9
Bernie should keep his powder dry. Hillary will fuck up. immoderate Mar 2016 #13
Seriously? "Sanders 2020"? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #16
No. Not that dry. immoderate Mar 2016 #19
Sounds like you're ready to throw Bernie under the bus Buzz cook Mar 2016 #52
I would be quite disappointed if Bernie abandoned his principals, immoderate Mar 2016 #56
I hope he gives an endorsement that she is better than any Republican* dragonfly301 Mar 2016 #14
He should go back to being an ineffective politician. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #15
How do you get internet service under your bridge? Mufaddal Mar 2016 #20
Look it up. For how many bills was Sanders primary author and sponsor during his time in the Senate? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #24
Well, to be fair, when he was arguing in Congress against invading Iraq, Vattel Mar 2016 #32
So Sanders's lack of productivity in the Senate is Clinton's fault? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #40
Not exclusively Vattel Mar 2016 #41
Uh huh. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #42
. . . having accomplished virtually nothing. Vattel Mar 2016 #43
She's about to become the Democratic nominee for President of the United States. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #44
He's called the Amendment King because he gets a lot done Kentonio Mar 2016 #58
Nah, he should help Hillary enroll us in a war, sign some trade deals, and promote fracking. immoderate Mar 2016 #22
The only difference between Sanders and Clinton on our involvement in wars... Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #26
It's either Hillary or our enemies. immoderate Mar 2016 #31
Bernie has repeatedly said what he is going to do Mufaddal Mar 2016 #18
You don't think he should continue to be faithful to his message that a revolution is needed? Vattel Mar 2016 #33
In that sense, you're absolutely right Mufaddal Mar 2016 #49
That makes sense. Vattel Mar 2016 #62
Quite frankly what he "should" do simply isn't an issue. SheilaT Mar 2016 #21
Help her as much as possible in the Senate. MineralMan Mar 2016 #23
He should endorse her for president and work for his programs in congress and work to get more Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #25
He will RELUCTANTLY endorse her whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #27
I agree. My main point was that he should continue to pursue the revolution. Vattel Mar 2016 #34
By all means yes whatchamacallit Mar 2016 #39
Interesting how Bernie doesn't hate HRC unlike his supporters who feel she's the devil incarnate. LonePirate Mar 2016 #28
No, Hillary = 7, Rodham = 6, Clinton = 7. Vattel Mar 2016 #37
If Clinton wins the nomination, Bernie will... PatrickforO Mar 2016 #29
Exactly what I think he should do. Number 1 is obvious, of course. Vattel Mar 2016 #35
How are your #1 and #2 not mutually exclusive? n/t Ron Green Mar 2016 #48
There will be a president either way. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #63
He should try to transition his campaign into a powerful democratic socialist organization Cheese Sandwich Mar 2016 #30
That would be a great way to keep the political revolution front and center. Vattel Mar 2016 #36
Yes he should, and it could be called The Sanders Solution Samantha Mar 2016 #59
Keep on keeping on. Vinca Mar 2016 #45
I agree. I wonder, though, how he can best further his revolution if he is not the President. Vattel Mar 2016 #46
Bernie should challenge the Republican candidate to a debate! He'll tear him up. imagine2015 Mar 2016 #47
Bernie has always said it is not about HIM, it's about us aspirant Mar 2016 #50
Move to Canada with the rest of us pdsimdars Mar 2016 #51
congratulate her and move on. ibegurpard Mar 2016 #53
Bernie will do as he always has, the right thing. Autumn Mar 2016 #54
Sanders should become Labor secretary. craigmatic Mar 2016 #55
I suspect that could never happen under Clinton. immoderate Mar 2016 #57
Endorse her and keep fighting for what's right. Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #61
Negotiate for change ... Onlooker Mar 2016 #64

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
60. Its funny that there wasnt all this deep seated loathing of the guy when we had a senate tie
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 06:41 PM
Mar 2016

And he was the tiebreaking vote.

Why just retire? Clearly he's guilty of the "crime" of posing a challenge to the preordained inevitable one, whose TURN it is.

Why not send him to Gitmo? It's what he deserves, right?

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. He will endorse her, as he said he would do.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:16 PM
Mar 2016

Unlike too damned many of his supporters.

I am a Bernie supporter and I will do like Bernie because I care that my country's government not fall into utter madness and mayhem, or worse, theocracy.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
6. This campaign is the start of The Revolution
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:18 PM
Mar 2016

Not the end. The issues Bernie's giving voice to- they have been building for decades and the need to fix a broken system won't disappear even if the oligarchs win this cycle. Younger people get it, and eventually they will begin to flex their political muscle.

w0nderer

(1,937 posts)
9. wow looking at the answers here there can't be a lot of left leaning happening
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

so...

IF Hillary wins
Bernie has 2 jobs
1 get Hillary elected..much as i dislike her, she's better than Trump
2 KEEP Hillary on the LEFT side of center or at least from jumping into the RIGHT

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
56. I would be quite disappointed if Bernie abandoned his principals,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:49 PM
Mar 2016

if that's what you mean.

I set a line? What might that be? There's a bus?

--imm

dragonfly301

(399 posts)
14. I hope he gives an endorsement that she is better than any Republican*
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

but returns to the Senate and continues to be the biggest thorn in the side of establishment politics - the revolution is not just about Bernie's presidential campaign but of giving a voice to the disenfranchised 99%. He's been fighting the good fight for decades, his presidential campaign is shining a spotlight on what he wants us to accomplish together.

*It's really not Bernie's job to get Hillary elected - that's what Goldman Sachs is for. She is not owed Bernie's soul - he should not have to say anything he doesn't believe. I think he believes she is better than any Republican candidate.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
24. Look it up. For how many bills was Sanders primary author and sponsor during his time in the Senate?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

Hint: you can count them on one hand.

Not exactly a glorious, productive career.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
32. Well, to be fair, when he was arguing in Congress against invading Iraq,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:48 PM
Mar 2016

correctly predicting the bad consequences of such an invasion, he didn't get much help from Democrats like Hillary, who was aping all of Bush's talking points about weapons of mass destruction, nuclear weapons programs and ties between Hussein and Al Qaeda.

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
44. She's about to become the Democratic nominee for President of the United States.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:05 PM
Mar 2016

That's something.

 

Kentonio

(4,377 posts)
58. He's called the Amendment King because he gets a lot done
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

Have fun with your slander of a good hardworking man though, I'm sure you'll be delighted when the underhand tactics lead to a GOP thug in the White House.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
22. Nah, he should help Hillary enroll us in a war, sign some trade deals, and promote fracking.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:35 PM
Mar 2016


--imm
 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
26. The only difference between Sanders and Clinton on our involvement in wars...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

... is who should lead the attack. Period.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
18. Bernie has repeatedly said what he is going to do
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:29 PM
Mar 2016

I appreciate the sentiment in your post, but he's made it fairly clear that he plans to throw all his support behind Hillary. I doubt it will be uncritical, but it will be otherwise-enthusiastic. I honestly don't get why we keep seeing threads about this from both sides on DU day after day.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
33. You don't think he should continue to be faithful to his message that a revolution is needed?
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:50 PM
Mar 2016

That's the main point of my OP. He should continue to focus on the revolution.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
49. In that sense, you're absolutely right
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:27 PM
Mar 2016

But in that scenario (which I hope to God doesn't come to pass), I think he will likely put a pin in it until after the GE, unless he can find a way that does not draw too much negative attention to Clinton while she is running. I wouldn't expect him to run a pro-Clinton campaign, I would expect him to run an anti-GOP campaign.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
21. Quite frankly what he "should" do simply isn't an issue.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:32 PM
Mar 2016

He'll probably support her and campaign some for her.

I don't care at all. I'll be more engaged with trying to figure out what I will do. And Hillary and the DNC should be very concerned about what millions of now angry Bernie supporters will do.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
25. He should endorse her for president and work for his programs in congress and work to get more
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:39 PM
Mar 2016

real progressives elected.

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
27. He will RELUCTANTLY endorse her
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:41 PM
Mar 2016

There will be no exuberance or rallies or parades... because Bernie doesn't change his stripes for political expedience. It's not a revelation that she's better than Donald Trump. That said, it's obvious he doesn't believe the direction she represents is what's best for the country. After that, in keeping with the spirit of democracy, I'm sure he believes it's up to you to decide what to do.

LonePirate

(13,408 posts)
28. Interesting how Bernie doesn't hate HRC unlike his supporters who feel she's the devil incarnate.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:42 PM
Mar 2016

Just my observation.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
37. No, Hillary = 7, Rodham = 6, Clinton = 7.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:55 PM
Mar 2016

Ronald = 6, Wilson = 6, Reagan = 6

666 = devil, 767 = hawkish dishonest democrat.

PatrickforO

(14,558 posts)
29. If Clinton wins the nomination, Bernie will...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:43 PM
Mar 2016

1. Endorse and ask his supporters to vote for her, and

2. Continue to lead the political revolution.

We have yet to be mobilized, and it will be interesting if/how Bernie does that.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
35. Exactly what I think he should do. Number 1 is obvious, of course.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:52 PM
Mar 2016

But I really hope he finds a way to effectively pursue number 2.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
30. He should try to transition his campaign into a powerful democratic socialist organization
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 02:45 PM
Mar 2016

Not a necessarily a political party but an organized force that helps elect progressives and democratic leftists at the local and state level.

Samantha

(9,314 posts)
59. Yes he should, and it could be called The Sanders Solution
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 06:36 PM
Mar 2016

Just as the Third Way as an independent organization yet has an "infiltration" actively going on within the Democratic Party, we could have an organization which all of his supporters are invited to join, all of the planks in his platform would be preserved as goals for this Country, and we would have our own database of supporters and other important contacts (not to be shared with the DNC). Bernie with the advice of some people he trusts could start seeking proteges to join the movement. These would be people who undoubtedly would promote the planks in the platform, while keeping abreast of ongoing changes in the Congress and suggesting position papers on those changes. They would be contemplating future political runs for office. Hey, and maybe we should have a couple of lobbyists for our organization!

People could contribute a monthly membership fee (optional) but those who want to remain involved but cannot afford to contribute should be allowed to join.

Just a few initial thoughts on the subject.

Sam

Vinca

(50,236 posts)
45. Keep on keeping on.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:06 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie is the kind of person who will be working for social justice until he draws his last breath.

 

Vattel

(9,289 posts)
46. I agree. I wonder, though, how he can best further his revolution if he is not the President.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:10 PM
Mar 2016

If he just goes back to being a Senator and a voice of reason in the Senate, that seems to fall short of what he has done effectively even as a candidate for the nomination, namely, inspire millions to seek real change.

 

imagine2015

(2,054 posts)
47. Bernie should challenge the Republican candidate to a debate! He'll tear him up.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 03:13 PM
Mar 2016

Something that Hillary would have a big problem doing.

aspirant

(3,533 posts)
50. Bernie has always said it is not about HIM, it's about us
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

so if he endorses Hills and her policies, that's his choice but the Revolution will move forward without him.

 

immoderate

(20,885 posts)
57. I suspect that could never happen under Clinton.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

There would be too many 'irreconcilable differences.'

--imm

 

Onlooker

(5,636 posts)
64. Negotiate for change ...
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

... by offering Hillary a ringing endorsement provided the DNC make structural and platform changes that favor the progressive millenials who backed him. He should also be given the keynote address.

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