2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI just got back from the Maine caucus in my small town
It is the first time that my husband and I gave gone. We live in a very small Central Maine town. According to the local organizer, turnout was about 3x the last presidential election and close to a record turnout. There were 24 Hillary votes and 44 for Bernie (including absentees). We have 8 delegates to the state convention so rounding up gave Hillary 3 and rounding down gave Bernie 5.
Our state representative is a retired union organizer for Northern New England. He knows Bernie personally and spoke of him in glowing terms because of his concern for the needs of the worker. Bernie was always there to help, no matter what they needed. He got the one uncommitted person in the room to come to the Bernie side.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Cleita
(75,480 posts)nothing is being reported on the Maine caucuses.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)They just salivate at the smell of blood.......and money.. just like 'local news' broadcasts..
elljay
(1,178 posts)There would be a kitten stuck in a tree somewhere.
... and, sadly ... HA! ...
... the "media" is a limp and useless thing ...
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)... it has "small hands" ... if you know what I mean ...
... I couldn't turn off my TV from the last "Republican" "debate" ...
... I had to flush it ...
... down the toilet ...
... where it belongs ...
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)yup
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and caucusing.
yellerpup
(12,253 posts)Thanks so much!
cantbeserious
(13,039 posts)eom
jopacaco
(133 posts)I have voted in every election and primary since I was eligible but have never gotten seriously engaged before. I have never felt so strongly about a candidate before.
dinkytron
(568 posts)marcopolo63
(64 posts)Check out the video from WMTW TV fro today's Portland, ME caucuses at Deering High School. Easy 3-4 K turnout I'd say, and in my biased judgment we saw a majority Bernie supporters!
http://www.wmtw.com/politics/maine-democratic-caucuses-underway-sunday/38370544
MADem
(135,425 posts)I would be shocked if the rural and hunting culture in Maine doesn't endorse their fellow traveler from Vermont. Demographically, ME and VT are very similar, and BS is a known quantity. I think he'll win handily.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Any delegate split would be OK.
MADem
(135,425 posts)It's white, rural, farm-y and gunny. Not Clinton country, really.
It'll probably go to Trump if he makes it to the general. If he doesn't, who knows...?
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)True, my state did elect LePage, but there are a few things that should be considered there. There was a popular independent candidate running - who earned quite a good portion of the vote. Michaud, the democratic candidate, was well known as a "blue dog" dem, even his supporters (myself included) weren't terribly enthusiastic about him. Also, I don't know if you're familiar with this or not, but there was a bill to ban bear baiting and hunting with dogs.
I worked at a local convenience store/game station/gas station at the time of the election. I was one of those people who had to weigh the dead bear, pull a tooth out for the state - and fill out the paperwork. I did not come across a single case of a hunter using dogs, but nearly all of them used bait. The bill that had been brought up (greatly funded/supported by the southern part of the state and outside entities) had hunters coming out in larger numbers than we had likely seen in any previous election. It's damned hard to track a bear through the woods, or randomly come across one to shoot. It has to be done to keep the numbers down, without that, we would have bear breaking into kitchens, terrorizing neighborhoods and potentially hurting people. They aren't friendly little cuddly beasts.
I'm not a hunter - I don't own a gun, but I am very familiar with hunters and gun owners.
That being said, there are a lot of educated people in my state who did not vote because Michaud was unable to get any momentum going. Some think him coming out as a gay man hurt his chances, I don't think it hurt them as much as people think. Rather, it was his record of opposing rights for the LGBT community despite being a gay man himself. He was a hard candidate to like. Yes, he would have been a whole lot better than LePage, but...
There are several factors that played into the last election. Among them the fact that Michaud did not run a good campaign and was not terribly well thought of among his own party, particularly among young people. LePage won largely by default, as he did in the previous gubernatorial election. A lukewarm democrat, a popular independent... and your typical right wing fanatic. Of course the right won, they had the enthusiasm, the momentum, the numbers, etc.
Also, in Presidential elections? We pretty generally vote left. True, there's a lot of white people, a lot of farms and a lot of guns. plenty of other states have similar issues. You have quite a lot of guns and white people in MA, too. Not sure about the farms - I'm more familiar with the more urban areas of your state.
If Sanders becomes the nominee, Maine will likely vote for him. If he does not... Clinton has a problem very similar to what Michaud had. She is not well trusted among the masses, there is suspicion, distrust.. and a common feeling that she is unpredictable, that she says one thing while doing another. It is entirely possible that she would lose to the Republican candidate, making Maine even more of a red state... one of the reasons I'm moving to MA in the near future.
That said, don't trash my state, MADem, we've got some damn good people up here and some damn good democrats. We may not be Clinton country, but she CAN win over Maine, if she makes enough of an effort. Prior to the caucus, she did not. The consideration was probably that we had too few delegates to matter that much anyway. Sanders won, in large part... because he gave enough of a damn to work hard to convince Maine to vote for him.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I am calling it as I see it, though. It is an insular, homogeneous population, heavy on the guns--very similar in character and makeup to VT and NH. You get down into Portland and you see some diversity, but head up 95 and you don't. And if you look a bit different, you DO get noticed.
I am not saying this to "trash," I am saying this to be factual. Sometimes, you don't see it if it's too close to home. MA is a bifurcated society as well--we are very well integrated, "officially," but we still have neighborhoods and even towns that are de-facto redlined. Saying this isn't "trashing," it's speaking truths that are sometimes uncomfortable.
davidthegnome
(2,983 posts)It was well made. I am suggesting though, that Maine is not by default Bernie country, Clinton country, Trump country, or anything else. We have a great deal of diversity in regards to what we believe, our philosophies, our political ideals, etc.
If Clinton wanted to win Maine? She could. It requires getting out the vote, it requires hard work, campaigning, convincing people that you are the best candidate for the job. Maine didn't go for Sanders because we're not "Clinton country", we went for Sanders because his campaign did a better job, because many areas of our state are severely economically devastated, because we really love this idea of a higher education system funded by the public, universal healthcare - and so on.
We may or may not go for Trump in the general - we went dem in 2008 and in 2012 in regards to the Presidential elections. Obama beat Romney by over 15% of the vote in 2012. That's pretty significant. I would suggest that it indicates that Maine is indeed a potential win for any democrat. It's not just a matter of diversity, or of appealing to one particular race/gender/group. It's, a matter of who convinces the voters of Maine that they are the best for the job. We care about the economy, about the environment, about repairing our infrastructure, particularly about business and job growth in our area because it has been so poor.
Maybe your intent wasn't to trash, in which case I apologize. Your post just reminded me of several of the other posts I have seen insulting states and their residents because of how they voted, whether it was for Clinton, Sanders, Trump, Cruz, or anyone else.
Also, no offense is intended by my post either, I can well appreciate the fact that we have little diversity in my neck of the woods, I can well appreciate the fact that there are indeed rednecks, idiots, tea party members and so on up here. That isn't all we are though. In northern aroostook, if your car breaks down, if you go off the road in snowy conditions... people will pull over to help you out. People up here wave to each other, whether they know (or like) each other or not - and this is regardless of race, gender, or other classifications. There's a lot of great things about my state, even besides it's natural beauty. Some of us might be assholes, but even most of the assholes would help out a person in need (LePage and his ilk excluded).
Unfortunately, too many of the people here vote against their own best interests. I'll never comprehend why a poor person, or a person who believes in progress, would ever for a republican, especially one like LePage. Believe me, it was pretty damn shattering and shameful to me personally when my state voted to elect that despicable excuse for a human being.
It's been a lifelong battle for so many of us up here to move Maine in a more progressive direction. We have failed, for many reasons, but chief among them is poverty, and the apparent inability of our elected representatives to encourage progress and growth.
I am looking forward to moving to MA and being able to eventually get health insurance. I love New England, and MA is a truly beautiful state, I love the old houses, the classic colonial buildings, the respect and appreciation your state has for history. Lots of good things about your state - lots of good things about mine, too.
I'll always have a special place in my home state. The democratic party should not give up on it, we are, for the most part, reasonable people who can be argued with, who can change their minds, who can compromise. There's no reason Maine couldn't go to Clinton in a general.
MADem
(135,425 posts)I have my little old shack close to the Canadian border, I pay my taxes on it faithfully, and I like to hop over the border on occasion. My relatives like to ski, the people are nice, the food is good, the pace, slow and the quiet is just wonderful.
MA is a fine commonwealth, too, though we labor once again under a GOP governor. I expect services to go down and taxes to go up as a consequence. This too, eventually, will pass, though!
TheFarseer
(9,317 posts)Sound like Hillary is destroying on absentee ballots just like Nebraska. It would have been a landslide margin just like Kansas without those.
senz
(11,945 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)ME and VT are similar--they're WHITE and RURAL and FARM-y and full of hunters.
In ME it's potatoes (that's all they grow up in Aroostook County, pretty much--check that county if you're unsure, see how big it is...a few of the neighboring counties do the potato thing, too, but that's the biggie) and in VT it's cows, dairy, cheese. But they are both farming states, white, with rural populations that love to hunt.
KS and NE do like guns too. They've also got a farming streak.
But hey--your snark was observed and noted. Happy?
xloadiex
(628 posts)Some are reporting on twitter that they are being turned away and there are long lines. Also of active campaigning for Hillary while registering people.
Sorry for the mobile link.
https://mobile.twitter.com/MaineDems/status/706552159068774400
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,293 posts)Thanks for sharing, jopacaco.
ancianita
(35,933 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)snowy owl
(2,145 posts)Who made decision to round up for Hillary? Both should have rounded down. I guess it is only one delegate but considering Hillary gets all the free PR, I'm sorry there wasn't a way to let the majority in this case drive the vote. You sound like a group of very nice people.
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Thank you.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)Loved your story!
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Vinca
(50,237 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)for the nice post and for going out to caucus. Maine-ahs really came through.
K&R
magical thyme
(14,881 posts)We voted 128 Bernie to 46 Hill. I didn't get the official state delegate count, but 5:2 seems about right.