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Face it. Outside of the south, Hillary struggles. (Original Post) morningfog Mar 2016 OP
Her coalition is wider than Bernie's Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #1
Forget the delegates, they are bribed. The rest - changing rapidly, and for good reason. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #29
Bribed? Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #43
Not at all. Fearful of retribution, desiring to curry favor. highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #49
I was obviously talking about the pledged delegates Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #51
Many in the South voted for HRC because of Bill Clinton, not because of HRC. TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #53
You are insulting. Bye bye. Nt Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #57
Ignoring the exit answers? Bye Bye! nt TheBlackAdder Mar 2016 #58
Supporting and rigging it - fer her... laserhaas Mar 2016 #62
That's exactly it! nt m-lekktor Mar 2016 #63
You cannot go by the polls when it comes to Senator Sanders, tonight proves it also.... fourcents Mar 2016 #39
No Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #44
He beats any gop Candidates better that Hillary, so yeah he's the best choice for president fourcents Mar 2016 #45
Oh please Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #47
You need to find out more about the amendment king........... fourcents Mar 2016 #52
Stay tuned for Michigan on Tuesday. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #2
Anything south of the Canadian border is south nt firebrand80 Mar 2016 #3
That will be problematic for Bernie. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #4
Part of Detroit is North of the Canadian border. Motown_Johnny Mar 2016 #17
Fun fact: cemaphonic Mar 2016 #21
We are INDEED staying tuned for Michigan. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #24
Face it: Outside of lily white states Bernie struggles UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #5
Jinx! wildeyed Mar 2016 #7
Latinos are lily white? Quick, everyone, call congress right away Zorra Mar 2016 #8
Yes cuz when one thinks of diversity they immediately think.....COLORADO UMTerp01 Mar 2016 #10
Thank you for illustrating the fact that the Clinton camp doesn't know that Asians, Latinos, Zorra Mar 2016 #11
To some, "people of color" or "minority" means "black." Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #12
It sure annoys me when I am trying to explain most my family is POC Kalidurga Mar 2016 #30
Colorado is actually more diverse than Tennessee, Arkansas Art_from_Ark Mar 2016 #31
Snap! well said! fourcents Mar 2016 #41
Native Americans, Muslims are lily white? Sorry, those votes are going to Bernie. jillan Mar 2016 #23
Muslims can be since Islam is a religion and not a race.. white_wolf Mar 2016 #32
Michigan is lily white? SMC22307 Mar 2016 #25
Face it. Outside of homogeneously white states, Bernie struggles. wildeyed Mar 2016 #6
She is apparently ahead in MI. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #9
In your dreams. Aha Mar 2016 #13
In my dreams I certainly hope so! oldandhappy Mar 2016 #16
... Agschmid Mar 2016 #19
She was apparently not ahead. Nyan Mar 2016 #38
for which I am grateful, thank you Michigan oldandhappy Mar 2016 #59
.. mcar Mar 2016 #14
he's good in those small caucus states bigtree Mar 2016 #15
I welcome Tuesday... consciouslocs Mar 2016 #20
Hillary's 2nd highest popular vote total so far was in Mass. Yavin4 Mar 2016 #18
Where a lot of shenanigans took place Lorien Mar 2016 #27
kick morningfog Mar 2016 #22
This was well cruel given the results (upset) nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #28
Well we've been trying to tell them nicely. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #33
I just cover this shit. nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #34
Get em. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #35
Tomorrow in tje plane nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #36
The South will go to the Repugs in the general, which leaves her with next to nothing. Lorien Mar 2016 #26
They don't Kalidurga Mar 2016 #37
DNC and DWS are not counting on democratic candidate's win Nyan Mar 2016 #42
This is painfully true Lorien Mar 2016 #48
Yes, she "won" in IW and MA. Nyan Mar 2016 #40
She has serious trouble in blue states Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #46
If IA and MA were virtual ties... Garrett78 Mar 2016 #50
Only in the open primaries. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #54
I feel like they stole MA. Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #55
The old wisdom applies pdsimdars Mar 2016 #56
Those "eke" outs are mired in controversy laserhaas Mar 2016 #60
I'd hardly call a 2 point race with Bernie in MI 'struggling' bigtree Mar 2016 #61
LOL!!!! She was up 20 last week. That is is huge struggle. You can't polish this turd. morningfog Mar 2016 #64

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
1. Her coalition is wider than Bernie's
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

She wins key Democratic demographics (Bernie wins some too, particularly the youth vote).

But to say that the support is limited is to ignore the reality that she has so far earned the most delegates, polls more strongly in large blue and purple states like Pennsylvania than Bernie does, and that her coalition is more ethnically diverse.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
43. Bribed?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:09 AM
Mar 2016

So you're saying that all the delegates that Hillary has earned in the primaries so far, are bribed? What a bizarre thing to say.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
51. I was obviously talking about the pledged delegates
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:56 AM
Mar 2016

which she earned in the primaries and caucuses so far.

Although it's absurd to say that about the super delegates too.

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
53. Many in the South voted for HRC because of Bill Clinton, not because of HRC.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:03 AM
Mar 2016

.


It's the old adage, "You father was born before you!"


Meaning that a rich kid wouldn't have been rich if his father wasn't successful first!



HRC is riding the coattails of WJC.

The worrisome thing is that HRC falls flat even with the establishment fully supporting her.




.

 

laserhaas

(7,805 posts)
62. Supporting and rigging it - fer her...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:51 AM
Mar 2016

This is soooooo friggin cool.....

just

......happily

................ sayin................

 

fourcents

(107 posts)
39. You cannot go by the polls when it comes to Senator Sanders, tonight proves it also....
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:04 AM
Mar 2016

ethnically diverse is changing more to Sanders as people find out about him. One thing is for sure is, Sanders draws much more politically diverse electorate which would make him a better choice in the general. So why not fight the good fight with us.

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
47. Oh please
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:29 AM
Mar 2016

Those polls mean nothing at this stage.

More importantly, I don't think Bernie has the temperament for the job.

 

fourcents

(107 posts)
52. You need to find out more about the amendment king...........
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:31 AM
Mar 2016

You need to find out more about the amendment king. Fellow representatives from both sides have said he has gotten things passed without even taking credit. Bernie Sanders sticks to what's right even when it's not fashionable. Being not for sale and having the highest trustworthy quota of all the candidates not important? Well still voting and serving us in the Senate (check the votes Rubio missed well campaigning) he's campaigning across the country.

I afraid if it's Trump and Hillary, Trump will go to the center and destroy Hillary the poster girl for the banks & exporting jobs. Bernie because of his temperament will get things done. Hillary will get things done for her donors and all the lobbyist working in her campaign. But we may not have to worry because Populous Centrist Bernie has just been going up & up which is great for us progressive Democrats and the rest of the country too.

 

UMTerp01

(1,048 posts)
5. Face it: Outside of lily white states Bernie struggles
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:46 PM
Mar 2016

Do you really want to talk about struggles when your candidate's base is essentially white liberals? They both have issues.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
8. Latinos are lily white? Quick, everyone, call congress right away
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:55 PM
Mar 2016

and demand that Latinos get their white privilege cards immediately!

Bernie won the Latino vote in Nevada and Colorado.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
11. Thank you for illustrating the fact that the Clinton camp doesn't know that Asians, Latinos,
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 10:36 PM
Mar 2016

and Native Americans exist in the US.

People of Asian, Hispanic, and Native American ancestry make up 26% of Colorado's population.

Perhaps "one" needs to learn a great deal more about the world around "one".



 

Lizzie Poppet

(10,164 posts)
12. To some, "people of color" or "minority" means "black."
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 10:40 PM
Mar 2016

Not surprisingly, this often annoys the hell out of my Latino, Asian, and Native friends.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
30. It sure annoys me when I am trying to explain most my family is POC
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:51 AM
Mar 2016

Mostly Latino, then White, then well just about everyone else except Togolese.

wildeyed

(11,243 posts)
6. Face it. Outside of homogeneously white states, Bernie struggles.
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 09:47 PM
Mar 2016

Even in some very white states, he can't win (IA and MA)! And he gets absolutely clobbered in the South, or anywhere with a racially diverse electorate.

He has a real problem with wider appeal.

bigtree

(85,974 posts)
15. he's good in those small caucus states
Sun Mar 6, 2016, 10:59 PM
Mar 2016

...with limited diversity.

That's not 'wider appeal,' it's a Sanders failure to secure the support of the Obama coalition.

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
27. Where a lot of shenanigans took place
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:48 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is also far more popular with independents than she is, which counts in the general election.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
34. I just cover this shit.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:55 AM
Mar 2016

But I suspect I will have three hours to write a long analysis piece on this...and the GOP

Lorien

(31,935 posts)
26. The South will go to the Repugs in the general, which leaves her with next to nothing.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:47 AM
Mar 2016

why does the DNC still think that she's worth betting on?

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
42. DNC and DWS are not counting on democratic candidate's win
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:08 AM
Mar 2016

They're counting on Wall Street candidate's win. They don't mind giving away 2016 to the repugs.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
40. Yes, she "won" in IW and MA.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:05 AM
Mar 2016

Because those are the states you absolutely need to win, if you know what I mean.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
50. If IA and MA were virtual ties...
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:49 AM
Mar 2016

...so was Michigan. And Michigan represents the first diverse, populous blue state primary of this campaign. Way too small of a sample size to say Clinton "has serious trouble in blue states."

And it's important to not conflate the Democratic electorate of the Deep South with the overall electorate of the Deep South.

Time will tell how much Clinton struggles outside of the Deep South. Just as time will tell how successful Sanders can be outside of New England and small caucus states that lack diversity. For now, the sample size is too small to make any determinations one way or another.

bigtree

(85,974 posts)
61. I'd hardly call a 2 point race with Bernie in MI 'struggling'
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 10:50 AM
Mar 2016

...he was competitive there with independents.

That might not work as well in other states.

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