Women react to Sanders' "Excuse me I'm talking"

[stevenleser]

http://bluenationreview.com/bernie-sanders-to-hillary-clinton-im-talking/

Yikes

[Qutzupalotl]

1. BNR is a Brock propaganda outlet.

[stevenleser]

6. Doesn't matter. Sanders actually said it and the Twitter quotes from women are real.

Doesn't matter who reports it.

[Kentonio]

12. Doesn't matter that it's a site owned by Hillary's SuperPAC?

What an interesting view of the world you have..

[stevenleser]

18. Unless you are saying Sanders didn't do it, nope doesn't matter. nt

[Kentonio]

21. I'll be sure to remind you of this

Next time some right wing news sites have a story about Hillary's emails.

[stevenleser]

24. If you are standing by the information in them, sure. nt

[JackRiddler]

268. Say, are you journalist Steven Leser?

The one who works or worked for free as a pundit for FOXNEWS? I don't watch it, so I don't know.

The one who said this?

Journalist Steve Leser in 2008: Hillary is a liar.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251658816

Now why would you be duplicating from David Brock's odious campaign attack site?

[panader0]

269. Damn, you beat me to it.

More weather vane BS.

[merrily]

109. It does matter, since your OP claims this is "women" reacting, not merely a Hillary website reacting

Women are not a monolith. Stereotyping and lumping us all together is NOT the least bit cool.

[Kittycat]

114. Agreed!

This women found HRC offensive and rude, but they're on opposite sides. However, it was good seeing the ISSUES vigorously debated, instead of focusing on the merits or lack of ones body parts. The GOP debate was a national embarrassment!!!

[Rosa Luxemburg]

137. I don't know any women who are reacting and I know a lot of women

[merrily]

140. Me either and me too.

[Always Randy]

256. When it comes to discrimination against women---women are a monolith

I have been in the business world for 50 years----behind the doors men make plans without and against women---------if women are not monolithic on this that stupidity of men will continue----Rush calling them sluts ------Trump alluding to their periods ---O'Reilly playing loofah with them, ---my aunt was a senior official at McGraw Hill---when there was a business meeting at a men's club she had to go in through the kitchen------even if you don't like HRC-----at least it would be good to enjoy Limbaugh melt in front of her----and he will---he's first on the list-----as a father of 3 women and the grandfather of 5 ---it is time for a women in that White House-------HRC is not my Favorite -----Elizabeth Warren is more to my liking----but that is not going to happen ---so if HRC does not go in ---I doubt the wealthy will let Bernie anywhere near the Presidency----so maybe a few years of Trump or Cruz will make women be more monolithic----men need to be shown a lot of things ----they are very slow learners ----particularly on women's issues -------but HRC will help them learn that a woman is quite capable of making some decisions for men that truly need to be made-----it will be liberating for most men ----it used to be stylish to make fun of gays for these me who would limp their wrist and speak stereo-typically ------it has been drowned out a lot after Obama position on the issue ----it takes leadership-----all those bigots have also watched their heroes be outsmarted by the "black guy" over and over ------if HRC wins-----they will be wishing Obama was back in the White House----because the bottom line is that --if they have to---they can listen to a black MAN ----but God forbid they have to listen to a woman----on this issue women need to be monolithic---

[merrily]

264. Women are not a monolith in their perceptions of what = sexism, but that is beside the point.

I was replying to someone who equated something said on a Hillary website with "women" speaking out. Not only is that not an accurate statement, but that treats women like a monolith. If something appeared on Bernie Sanders.com and I claimed that equaled men speaking out, people would laugh and/or get offended and rightly so.

[jeff47]

29. It doesn't matter to our local Fox News pundit.

Steve would have a lot less airtime if propaganda outfits bothered him.

[stevenleser]

38. I'm as much a Fox News pundit as Bernie is. I guess you can't vote for him.

Welcome to team Hillary!

[jeff47]

41. You're the one with it on your resume. (nt)

[stevenleser]

53. I don't have it on my resume. I can't speak for Bernie. nt

[AtomicKitten]

54. yep

[jeff47]

62. Ooo! He'll be able to claim the chyron said strategist and not pundit!! (nt)

[stevenleser]

67. Attacking me won't unsay it for Sanders, but please continue. nt

[pdsimdars]

226. And there is no reason to un-say it. She was rude and kept interrupting him when it was hiis turn

and when someone is constantly being rude, you say, "Excuse me, I was talking." It is the polite way of telling them that they are being rude and they should shut up and let someone else speak. And SHE was being rude with her constant interruptions.

[LeFleur1]

263. What in the World Were you Listening to?

EVERY time Hillary spoke and told of her plans Bernie was standing beside her making faces, stepping back, waving his finger, trying to take attention away from what she was saying. He was extremely rude and that isn't even counting him having the audacity to tell another candidate, with way more experience in the world, to be quiet so he could repeat his canned speech. Rude. Very Rude.

[Aha]

78. Ooooh, and with Falafel O'Loofah!

Not surprising.

[stevenleser]

98. You mean like Bernie?

Besides, weren't you guys just saying how terrific it is to try to reach viewers on Fox when Bernie said he would do the Townhall there?

Can you guys be consistent on anything? Just one thing?

[stevenleser]

104. LOL, see my #98. And I am awaiting your attack on Sanders for doing the Townhall.

[CoffeeCat]

20. Oh really? Hillary has purchased Twitter followers

how do we know this isn't bought-and-paid for outrage from Hillary's peanut gallery?

We don't.

[RufusTFirefly]

116. Good point. She purchased Facebook "likes" when she was SoS.

State Department Facebook: DOS spent $630,000 On 'Likes' For Social Media Pages, Report Indicates

More than 2 MILLION of Hillary Clinton's Twitter followers are fake or never tweet – and she's already under fire for 'buying' fake Facebook fans

Kind of sad, really. I mean, what kind of person has to buy friends?

[vintx]

240. HOLY SHIT! Can she get any phonier?!!!!!!!!!!

How is that not bigger news?

[bklyncowgirl]

247. Our tax dollars at work. Thanks Hillary.

[RufusTFirefly]

254. Wouldn't be much of a stretch to believe she makes other purchases

A well-placed shill is like an agent provocateur in a non-violent rally. If he's paid to throw the first punch, it's a sad but safe bet that the fighting that follows will often come for free.

[zazen]

40. I'm a woman and you StevenLeser don't speak for me n/t

[stevenleser]

56. And you don't speak for those women on Twitter. nt

[Gwhittey]

141. Those women don't speak for those

women on twitter. If that is the case then Donald Trump is loved by Latinos if go by the fact 1000s of Followers of his are Latino names that tweet out how great he is.

[stevenleser]

142. See my #132 below, you can try to talk this away but it won't work. nt

[dragonfly301]

83. Me too Zazen

ffs it's 2016 and HRC is running for POTUS - she shouldn't be treated any differently.

[840high]

203. Or this woman.

[840high]

201. It matters and we know your agenda.

[cannabis_flower]

227. I'm a woman

and she kept interrupting him. I would have said the same thing, and if Hillary was a man or Sanders was another woman we wouldn't be talking about it.

[RufusTFirefly]

8. Well, given the OP, that's only logical. n/t

[stevenleser]

13. You can shoot the messenger(s) as much as you want. Doesn't change the truth. nt

[kristopher]

45. Why wouldn't he chide her for trying to talk over him in his timeslot?

She cheats and her supporters are incensed that she was called on it. Typical.

[Control-Z]

69. That's funny.

He had just interrupted her. What a piece of work.

[RufusTFirefly]

75. Never fear. This is just the latest shameless meme.

Most times they fail, but occasionally they succeed, primarily because they're broadcast by the world's most powerful bullhorn. Even more powerful than this election law breaker's one.

[All in it together]

127. It's a debate

Hillary doesn't get to talk all the time. Bernie did great.

[840high]

205. +She interrupts all the time. Goes on and on...

[polly7]

241. THAT'S for sure.

This whole 'excuse me!' thing is so damn pathetic.

SEXISM is trying to make her some sort of little victim for not being allowed to go on and on with her interrupting and verbal bullying.

So fucking sad.

[mcar]

16. What does the Washington Free Beacon say?

That seems to be a very acceptable source.

[artislife]

86. Heck, so is the OP writer...

[Qutzupalotl]

106. You notice he was the first out of the gate with this?

[artislife]

108. I was surprised actually,

I thought I had him on ignore...I must have taken him off.

But yeah, rather predictable.

[MaeScott]

223. Clintons are buying up as much media as they can

Even Kos has gone corporate centrist

[Hoyt]

2. You mean Sanders has gone Trump on us.

[Autumn]

3. Smells like brock...

[marions ghost]

4. Meh

---she is just as likely to say that to him.

[juxtaposed]

5. brock trash site

[stevenleser]

7. See my #6 nt

[Bluenorthwest]

258. See 'Anita Hill'. Do you even know who Brock is?

I don't get how anyone can associate with that sort of rhetoric while claiming to respect women.

[mcar]

9. So rude and condescending

[Armstead]

10. She kept interrupting. I'd get pissed too.

But I guess if she's a fragile little woman I guess he should have just let her talk over him.

[mcar]

23. Guess we saw different debates

He waved his hand at her, interrupted, told her to stop talking and regularly talked over the time. But when she did it he'd start the arm flailing again.

[Armstead]

26. I'd suggest looking at a replay

Some of his hand waving was him being quiet and letting her talk, but signaling to the moderators he wanted to speak afterward. Making sure he would have a turn. That's kind of debate etiquette.

[mcar]

36. Funny she didn't do it then

There were only two people on the stage. It wasn't necessary for him to wave his hand to get a chance to speak. He had plenty of time.

[kristopher]

47. Yes it is. It signals he wants to respond, don't move to next topic.

[Karma13612]

48. In past debates she has steam-rolled over him

and the moderators would not allow him adequate equal time to rebutt.

Tonight he owned the stage.

I am a woman, and I was proud he told her to let him finish.

He did not interrupt her. He spoke, she interrupted and he told her to wait her turn.

THAT is how it went down.

[Frustratedlady]

73. I didn't watch this interchange, but I have been frustrated in the past when Hillary

talked over Bernie and he politely held back his comments in deference to her. Watching this happen time after time, I wanted to shake some decency into Hillary, so I can understand how frustrated Bernie would finally become. Good for him!

And, yes! I am a woman and I approve.

[putitinD]

202. exactly

[trueblue2007]

77. you are not telling the truth ...... kind of debate etiquette.

Lie, you can not interrupt the speaker when they still have time and the floor.

[Armstead]

79. WTF are you talking about? That's what I said

[CoffeeCat]

11. Sanders was talking; Hillary interrupted; Sanders told her he was talking

Your attempt at making a mountain out of a molehill is laughable.

Then again, your side has tried to say that Bernie is sexist for much, much less.

And then quoting Brock's website.

[JudyM]

145. if he'd let her continue they'd call him a weakling.

[6chars]

195. he didn't just tell her he was talking

he said excuse me.

[CoffeeCat]

255. Oh the humanity! (nt)

[bunnies]

14. Brawk! Brawk Brawk Brawk bregawk!

[Matariki]

154. Best response!

[ebayfool]

15. Yeah, she wouldn't shut-up and let anyone else have a word! Cooper shoulda used a hook to pull ...

her in when she droned on way past her time while not really answering a direct question!

And David Brock? Pffft! Try harder, dear. Your bias is showing.

Yikes indeed.

[DefenseLawyer]

17. Stay classy, David. n/t

[awake]

19. most women do not like people who interrupt be they male or female

I do not no any woman who has not said "Excuse me I'm talking" on more than one occasion.

[Bucky]

44. This is so important. Men should learn how to listen better

As a man I think I should explain to you little ladies how to speak up for yallselves better too.

[JudyM]

148. what would your suggestions be?

[Bucky]

152. no, I was only making a joke about mansplaining

I honestly think we just have to cultivate the value of listening in our society. Men aren't very good at it. We interrupt women about twice as much as women interrupt men in conversations. There's not really A solution, just a need to bring up boys with models of active listening.

[TM99]

22. Look, it is another Brock attack

being pushed by the Clinton supporters.

She kept interrupting. It was his turn to speak. He did the appropriate thing.

To make this a 'sexist' thing is bullshit. Is she a fragile little woman? No, she is not. Is she not capable of following the rules? Yes, she is.

Yet again, nothing on policies, just fucking identity politics.

[Vattel]

30. It is tiresome.

[Vattel]

25. Brock site. Are the tweets real? Who knows?

Brock's Correct the Record put the following into a commercial right before the Nevada caucus:

“Bernie Sanders on Immigrants: Silly, Tribal, and Economically Illiterate” Newsweek, July 30, 2015

Of course Sanders never called immigrants silly, tribal or economically illiterate.

[stevenleser]

27. Not hard to figure out, just click on the Tweets they are real, as is the Sanders quote

Since both of them are real your attack on the messenger makes no sense.

[Arazi]

32. Anyone can buy a certain amount of Twitter "followers"

Hint: the internet is not reliable

[stevenleser]

34. Also easy to figure out. These posters have a considerable history. Wrong again. nt

[fun n serious]

59. So you don't see a problem with how he spoke to Secretary Clinton? nt

[SheenaR]

102. I'm a woman

No I don't. She's running for President. If she can't handle this then forget it. And she should stop interrupting people. Then it will never happen.

[JudyM]

150. +1 from another woman. Lots of thin-skinned pretend-offense from the Clinton peeps.

[Vattel]

33. By real, I mean spontaneous reactions from independent sources.

[stevenleser]

123. MSNBC talked about it, article on NY Times talked about it. Cartoonists immediately seized upon the

finger wagging in her face...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1429643

How many spontaneous independent reactions do you need?

[MaeScott]

224. Which Hillary left a mark. Lol

[TM99]

261. Just because the media lept upon it

like fucking rabid dogs does not mean it was REAL.

It is just more of the Clinton playbook. She was a petulant child last night. She interrupted. When called on it, she bit back. When asked questions from an AA on the 1990's crime bill, she replied "Well Sanders did it too!"

And then her army of sycophants and rat-fuckers pepper the airways for the next 24 hour news cycle with how poor little Hillary was treated poorly by the big bad mean and angry Sanders.

It is a game. You apparently saw through the same playbook in 2008 with no problems. It is fascinating that now you are denying the reality of the same.

[Matariki]

28. THIS woman thinks that's the appropriate thing to say to interrupters.

[stopwastingmymoney]

49. THIS woman agrees with you

To carry this argument to its absurd conclusion is to say that women can interrupt and men can't call them on it. Why? Because they're precious little flowers whose feelings need protecting?

That's not the sort of feminism I practice.

[Matariki]

57. "That's not the sort of feminism I practice."

+1 sister

[stopwastingmymoney]

129. Thanks!

[TDale313]

58. This woman, too. n/t

[dragonlady]

130. Add THIS woman also

She should have let him finish his statements.

[Lizzie Poppet]

164. *raises hand*

Add me to the list. She was being insufferable, and in Bernie's place I'd have likely caused a bit of a furor (or at least some bleeped-out audio, if they're on a delay). I hate being interrupted.

"What the fuck...were you raised by wolves, or something?"

Betcha my numbers would go up afterwards, too...

[Matariki]

165. LOL

"Betcha my numbers would go up afterwards, too..."

If she makes it to the general election against Trump, oh boy...

[dana_b]

250. another woman who agrees with you! n/t

[AtomicKitten]

31. Her incessant interrupting was rude and bullying.

She can't hide behind her gender for that behavior.

[Arazi]

35. She was rude. Rudeness is genderless and being called on it isn't sexist

but do try to keep pushing the meme that Sanders is Sexist.

We get it

[sadoldgirl]

37. Sorry, I am a woman and I reacted a different

way than you: Let him finish, and don't try
steadily to interrupt him, for crying out loud!

But then I cannot trust your judgement anymore
anyways after your " religious conversion" from
2008.

[nc4bo]

64. Same here. Shut up and let him finish.

Complain to CNN for having the stupid podiums so close together.

Sanders is very animated, everyone knows that by now!

Sorta like a major News Network not allowing sufficient time for all the candidates to use the restroom during commercial breaks in the debate.

Real elementary school stuff that's easily fixed rather than whine and cry about.

[glinda]

96. Its frustrating watching her interrupt him at every debate frequently and then wanting

more time than he is allowed/given to speak and then almost always wanting the last word.

[Lucinda]

39. I saw a huge turn against Bernie on FB during that one bad finger wagging

debate with the women moderators. It will have an effect.

[stevenleser]

46. Yep, it looks like that was Bernie's "you're like able enough" moment

I didn't catch either one in real time in terms of the effect they would have but lots of women were extremely angered in both cases.

[Lucinda]

63. Prior to that debate, I saw little push back on Bernie's ads and posts, but after that

women really started speaking out. They nailed him on the finger wagging, and constantly pivoting back to the same economic talking points. They were especially vocal on the ads, which is really bad, because those ads were reaching people who many not be already be Bernie supporters.

[Fast Walker 52]

244. yeah, I think the constant finger wagging was far more obnoxious than the "excuse me" moment

and I'm a Bernie supporter.

[AzDar]

42. This woman LOVED it. Also loved the fact that he's not a pathological LIAR.

[fun n serious]

66. I'm real. I'm not bought and I thought it was distasteful.

I am sure you would not want a man t o talk to you that way. Unless... Never mind I won't go there.

[AzDar]

71. ...

[Lizzie Poppet]

160. Why?

I'd have reacted to her graceless interruptions a hell of a lot more forcefully than that (one reason I'd make an entertaining but hugely unsuccessful political candidate...). I find nothing distasteful about not putting up with her shit.

[fun n serious]

175. Bernie also likes to interrupt.

He also dances around, moves his head, wags his finger.. just doesn't stand still when others are talking! I's very distracting. They way he responds shows poor mannerisms, anger and disrespect. You should watch some videos on how he responds when a MAN interrupts him. VERY different. It's not the first time he appeared angry and sexist. He does in every debate. Google previous debates and you will see.

[Lizzie Poppet]

177. And he should be called on it when he does.

Interrupting is boorish.

[fun n serious]

179. It's classier to allow him to keep acting the way he does and let people see it. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

186. Probably the best tack to take with her, too.

With interrupters, I prefer to let the wind down, smile at them tolerantly*, then hit them with some variation of "okay...can I speak now?" They're kind of stuck with letting you talk then, or they come off as a compete ass to any audience you might have. Even works (usually) in one-on-one conversations...although it can be a bit awkward for both.

* thus reinforcing the impression that you're the adult, mildly indulging an unruly child; your opponent, however, is seething at the condescension and at being outmaneuvered. You've got them flustered!

[ThePhilosopher04]

43. Yeah right. Bernie kicked her ass.

[SidDithers]

50. DU rec...

WaPo thought it was a very bad moment for Bernie too.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/06/winners-and-losers-from-the-7th-democratic-presidential-debate/?postshare=2701457320146330&tid=ss_tw

Losers

* Bernie Sanders: The Vermont Senator had effectively walked a fine line in the previous six debates when it came to attacking Clinton without coming across as either bullying or condescending. He tripped and fell while trying to execute that delicate dance on Sunday night. Sanders's "excuse me, I'm talking" rebuttal to Clinton hinted at the fact that he was losing his temper with her. His "can I finish please" retort ensured that his tone and his approach to someone trying to become the first female presidential nominee in either party would be THE story of the night.

Sid

[sheshe2]

103. +1000

[DesertRat]

51. k&r

[Beacool]

52. The Washington Post agrees.

Losers

* Bernie Sanders: The Vermont Senator had effectively walked a fine line in the previous six debates when it came to attacking Clinton without coming across as either bullying or condescending. He tripped and fell while trying to execute that delicate dance on Sunday night. Sanders's "excuse me, I'm talking" rebuttal to Clinton hinted at the fact that he was losing his temper with her. His "can I finish please" retort ensured that his tone and his approach to someone trying to become the first female presidential nominee in either party would be THE story of the night.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/03/06/winners-and-losers-from-the-7th-democratic-presidential-debate/?postshare=2701457320146330&tid=ss_tw

[stevenleser]

65. MSNBC just talked about it too. nt

[Armstead]

89. yes Hillary the fragile flower who can't be responded to in any but dulcet tones....NOT

[Armstead]

88. Chris Cilizza -- Master of Trivia CW....Washington Post -- in the tank for Clinton

[Beacool]

99. It seems that a lot of people commented on this issue.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/#

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-flint-debate/81419952/

http://time.com/4249193/democratic-debate-bernie-sanders-excuse-me-talking/

http://news.yahoo.com/video/excuse-im-talking-sanders-snaps-015324937.html

[stevenleser]

136. See #132 below, looks like it is being talked about all over the place. nt

[Beacool]

178. Apparently so.

[OwlinAZ]

200. Not in my household.

Hillary's constant time overruns and endless name dropping got old fast.
My apolitical spouse innocently asked if she was not talking much more than Sanders.
Yes she was

[lunamagica]

55. That waving his finger in her face...SO RUDE

[Armstead]

91. That's a debate signal...They all do it to let moderator know they want to respond

He did that INSTEAD OF TALKING OVER CLINTON.

Clinton dispensed with etiquette and talked over him

[lunamagica]

94. They have set times to talk and respond, so, no, that is not it Besides, the finger waving would

start as soon as she started to speak.

[Armstead]

97. They raise their fingers to signal they want a chance to respond after

Bernie COULD interrupt her, but he doesn't interrupt. He follows the rules and signals...She doesn't bother with that etiquette

[lunamagica]

101. NO, they have a set time to talk and respond. And he'd start a soon as she started to talk.

[NurseJackie]

60. Rude! Zero points.

[redstateblues]

115. Reminiscent of Al Gore sighing which lost him the debate

[noretreatnosurrender]

61. Oh My

It never ends, does it. This is stupid beyond belief. As a woman I'm insulted that so many Clinton supporters seem to think that she should get special treatment because she is some delicate flower. PLEASE. We've fought way too hard for women's rights to be going backward just to score political points.

[nc4bo]

68. Must. Find. Some. Controversy. That way, we're not talking issues, we're talking

bullshit.

[Beowulf]

70. Anything to avoid talking issues.

[virtualobserver]

72. the brock gazette - journalism at its finest

[fun n serious]

84. Did you not see the debate?

CNN, MSNBC, everyone is saying it was awful

[TDale313]

74. As a woman, I find this type of attack on Bernie really insulting.

Figures Brock would be running with this crap.

[fun n serious]

80. No one forced Bernie to respond rude and angry. nt

[TM99]

92. No one forced Hillary to be bullying and

to talk over her debate opponent.

He responded perfectly to her pattern of interruptions.

[fun n serious]

181. She barely tried to talk when he screamed at her. nt

[TM99]

188. Bullshit.

She was cutting him off and attempting to talk over him.

She has done it in each and every debate.

Stop defending the indefensible.

[840high]

208. BS - poor Hillary.

[Aha]

76. Brock's crappy website.

Rejected for propaganda.

[dchill]

81. Really? The sexist card? She's running for President, for chrissake...

She's tough, she can take it. Also, she was rudely interrupting.

[fun n serious]

183. Do you not see him dance, jump, make faces and wag his finger when it is NOT his turn to talk? nt

[dchill]

189. Does that not strike you as exaggeration?

Really?

[fun n serious]

194. No. nt

[dchill]

196. Well, then, you stand corrected.

[Uncle Joe]

82. Bernie was right it was his allotted time to speak and Hillary kept interrupting.

What else is he going to say?

Bernie never cut in on Hillary when it was her time to speak.

Thanks for the thread, stevenleser.

[Chasstev365]

85. There is NOTHING wrong with what he said!

She kept interrupting, talking when it wasn't her turn, and kept going was her time was up.

[noamnety]

87. Aren't you a journalist or something?

This is what you got from the debate???

[Gwhittey]

151. Are you serious?

All news sites are talking about it and people think that it matters because all M$M are posting it. journalist pah if want a journalist go to another country, there are no journalist in US for sale. Because they have all been bought and paid for already/

[UtahLib]

90. K&R

[yourpaljoey]

93. Pffft

[Luminous Animal]

95. Apparently, women are too weak to take it.

[Aerows]

187. I can't believe you were alerted for this post.

Women are too weak to take it???

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[Blue_In_AK]

100. I have exactly one female FB friend who was disturbed by that.

But she doesn't like the way Bernie talks with his hands, either. In fact, judging by most of her posts, there's not much she likes about Bernie, which is fine and her right. But as for me, I don't think in terms of "Hillary's a woman, Bernie's a man." If Hillary was talking over him, she needs to be called on it. And vice versa.

[sheshe2]

105. K&R!

That was a bad moment.

[bunnies]

107. If she had said it - she'd have been anointed a feminist god by now.

Its pathetic that common courtesy has been made into an issue by those waiting for an excuse to scream "Sexism". Her supporters dont give her very much credit and that says a lot.

[Jarqui]

110. Why are we wasting time talking about BS propaganda

spun up by a chronic, self confessed liar employed by Hillary Clinton?

Quite frankly, Hillary has never needed David Brock to lie for her over the previous 25 years - because she lied just fine all by herself during those years.

If you doubt that, go to google and enter "poll Hillary untrustworthy" .. about 60% of America thinks she's dishonest or untrustworthy.

She's not a great liar because she gets caught a lot but I don't think she needs David Brock's help in that area.

[imagine2015]

111. So she rudely interrupted Sander's and that's OK because she's Hillary?

[TheFarseer]

112. unbelievable

this kind of thing is said in most debates. I suppose she just gets to talk whenever, no matter whose turn it is because she's a woman. This is just people seeing what they want to see and being offended because they wanted to be offended. You act like he said, "A man's talking. go bake some cookies."

[brewens]

113. Better than "STFU while I'm talking!" In a situation like that I'll usually say, "excuse me, was I

interrupting you?" I doubt she can hear well with her mouth moving. That might be part of her problem.

[stevenleser]

119. Nope. Unless you are saying Sanders didnt say it, you have no point.

That means YOU should STFU, not me.

[John Poet]

122. Pretending that BlueNationReview is anything but

a slimy propaganda organ shows your regard for the truth (or rather lack thereof), in this campaign.

You should go back and read some of your 2008 posts about Hillary. Good stuff!
They are still true.

[stevenleser]

124. That is only an argument if you are saying Sanders didn't say it. He did say it. nt

[John Poet]

138. I'm only talking about your link to a Brock propoganda organ.

I did not click-thru and read it, anymore than I would click-thru and read an article on RedState or Breitbart. 'BlueNationReview' is now in the same class, they're just bought and paid for by a neocon Democrat instead of right-wing Republican. Propaganda organs ALL.

[stevenleser]

143. Then you have lost the argument. See my #132, its all over all different kinds of media.

Game, set, match.

[John Poet]

146. I don't really give a shit about that,

care to justify using a David Brock propaganda link? I see you don't,
because you can't, obviously.

You declaring the argument "over" reminds me of your type declaring the primaries "over".
It just makes you look like an idiot.

[stevenleser]

147. Then you have no point at all. nt

[metroins]

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[Logical]

128. Lol, temper temper Steve! Fox News hates bad language. Nt

[slipslidingaway]

118. What??? I was not offended by him saying 'I am talking' when she interrupted him ...

and I do not care if he was speaking to a flea.

Stop dividing our country by gender, race, religion, race or any other class that you might think of.

[silenttigersong]

120. No Hillary was rude by interupting n/t

[madfloridian]

121. BNR was recently bought by David Brock. He and Peter Daou et al use it as an attack hammer

toward Bernie.

[Logical]

125. Lol, nice try Stevie!

[Waiting For Everyman]

126. But yet she's so tough she can take on Trump, eh?

What a crock that is! #WhichHillary

I'm a (boomer) woman and I'm glad Sanders is starting to shut down her hogging the time and running over his answers. Enough is enough!

Sanders was fantastic tonight. He stated facts and she was all spin.

[Fearless]

131. The poutrage is strong in this one.

[stevenleser]

132. Courtesy of MADEM in another thread this is popping up in media all over the place

Those of you doing so can keep attacking me as the messenger but it won't help.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1430963

Sanders to Clinton: 'Excuse me, I'm talking'
http://www.wmur.com/politics/sanders-to-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking/38375366

Sanders Tells Clinton: ‘Excuse Me, I’m Talking’ in Arguably Sexist Debate Exchange
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/sanders-to-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking.html


Sanders to Clinton: 'Excuse me, I'm talking'
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/03/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-flint-debate/81419952/


Sanders Snaps At Clinton “Excuse Me, I’m Talking”
http://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/sanders-snaps-at-clinton-excuse-me-im-talking?utm_term=4ldqpia


Bernie Sanders’ feisty debate: ‘Excuse me, I’m talking!’
https://www.yahoo.com/politics/bernie-sanders-feisty-debate-excuse-me-im-023738092.html

[grossproffit]

134. Yep, it's all over the place. It's a conspiracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[stevenleser]

176. And it's all my fault according to many posters here.

I control the media!!!!!!11!!11!!111111!!!elevens... evil laugh...

[noamnety]

234. No, but you've become part of the problem with media in this country.

It might be time to do some soul searching. I can do dumb crap on the internet because it's entirely unrelated to my job. I'm just someone sitting in my living room typing.

You, on the other hand, claim to be a journalist - and already have damaged your reputation in the contortions it took to transition from exposing Hillary as the compulsive liar she is - and then doing the weathervane thing to endorse her.

Then a lot of people questioned you when you went on Fox News, and I think the explanation was something about getting the message out to all people. (?)

But once you start actually becoming Fox News and internalizing their "journalism" methods - latch onto a talking point from the echo chamber that's entirely unrelated to policy or substance and start working to catapult the talking point, people notice what you've become.

Soul searching, dude. Think about what made you want to be a journalist to begin with. Do you have any reporters from days gone past that you look up to?

[dchill]

206. Notice how all those thread titles start with, "Excuse me?"

Where I come from, that's called polite.

[stevenleser]

207. You're going with the old oblivious to tone and context play? Good luck. nt

[riversedge]

221. Thanks. much appreciated

[Cheese Sandwich]

133. She was cheating by talking through his turn.

She was stealing his time.

This has been the story of this whole campaign is false charges of sexism and fake outrage, anything to distract from the issues and the record.

[Cheese Sandwich]

135. I would have just told her to shut the fuck up and quit stealing my time to talk

She used up her time and was stealing Bernie's time.

[polly7]

243. +1 !!! nt.

[jalan48]

139. Wow-Hillary really is royalty.

[WIProgressive88]

144. Oh Jesus goddamn fucking Christ.

Hillary rudely interrupts Bernie. Bernie responds. And somehow Bernie's the bad guy in this exchange?

I've never been a Hillary fan, and the more this primary goes on, the more I honestly can't stand her, and this sort of thing is exactly why. The sense of entitlement expressed by many of her supporters is simply nauseating.

[jfern]

149. David Brock was so polite to Anita Hill

[Gwhittey]

153. What is sad

Is that news has been so fucked up this primary that that TYT talked about this issue and how Sanders was going to be called a sexist my the media because the media sucks ass. It is really a bad sign when the 4th estate is so blatly bias you can call headlines before they post them.

[stevenleser]

155. That wasn't a difficult prediction. Sanders had already been close to the line in previous debates.

He has been cutting her off and wagging his finger in her face pretty much every debate so far.

He just went much farther with it this time.

[Kalidurga]

156. Your concern about women having to follow the rules is duly noted.

[stevenleser]

158. See my #132 below, you can try to talk this away but it won't work.

Making it personal against me won't work either.

[Kalidurga]

166. I don't care if it goes away or not.

In fact this bump will just let more people know you don't care that this is an admission Hillary was interrupting.

[stevenleser]

167. Nope, she wasn't interrupting nor was that the discussion, you made that up out of thin air.

Thanks for the bump on my OP though and nice try trying to suggest something of yours was being bumped.

P.s., see my #132.

[Kalidurga]

171. So Bernie says Excuse me I was talking

and it wasn't a response to an interruption? That's pretty strange.

[OwlinAZ]

204. It was in response so numerous interruptions by Hillary.

and constant attempts by her to monopolize the comments

[Kalidurga]

213. I have seen them debate more than a couple times

It is something she does a whole lot. So does Bernie. So does everyone that debates. It's kind of a thing. And no I don't blame Bernie for that or even Hillary too much unless someone wants to make this an issue. Then it's on.

[Major Hogwash]

157. Somebody should've interrupted Hillary when she was speaking on the Senate floor for 20 minutes . .

. . . in 2002 justifying her vote for the Iraq War.

They should have said something like "Excuse me, there are no WMD's in Iraq, Senator Clinton."

[Lizzie Poppet]

159. I'm a woman, last I looked, and I was fine with that.

Hillary kept interrupting. I'd have been tempted to tell her to shut the fuck up (obviously, my future has never been with the Diplomatic Corps).

[DebDoo]

161. He treated her like an equal

And women are mad about that? Seriously, she interrupted him and he reacted like he would to anyone who interrupted him. Are these women upset that he didn't give the floor to her because she's a woman? You can't have it both ways.

[silvershadow]

162. I hope they reacted to Hillary's rude interruption just 1 1/2 seconds into Bernie's turn, and every

few seconds thereafter.

[Jake2413]

163. I do remember

Bernie talking and Hillary interrupting.

[The Midway Rebel]

168. Dang.

I can smell the Bern of desperation in this post.

[stevenleser]

169. See my #132. You can attack me all you want, it won't help.

p.s., thanks for kicking my OP and helping raise awareness of this issue.

[The Midway Rebel]

170. Yeah, I know.

Impervious and all that.

[stevenleser]

172. Nope. Nothing you can say to me will stop the articles all over the media. nt

[The Midway Rebel]

173. Does your desperation to keep this thread kicked count as part of the media blitz?

[stevenleser]

174. Well, ask yourself. You are kicking it as much as I am. nt

[Matariki]

182. Kicking it? How about shredding it.

[stevenleser]

184. You can't shred it. Its not a DU meme. Its all over the media. nt

[Matariki]

180. "awareness of this issue" ROFLMAO!

Where Steve Leser, a man, schools women on how we feel about Sanders asking to not be interrupted.

Please, do go on.

[stevenleser]

185. See my #184 and my #132. nt

[polly7]

265. Wtf do you keep ordering people to look up your posts?

Do you really think they're that important? You're spreading a lie and despite many women here telling you it is a LIE and that you DO NOT speak for women - you just keep referencing earlier posts no-one has probably even read and tell them to 'go look it up' whenever these women respond. NOW who's being dismissive and rude??

[riversedge]

190. Would it be ok for @HillaryClinton to make faces, smirk at Sen Sanders comments & shake her finger a

Hillary4TampaBay
?@Hillary4Tampa

Would it be ok for @HillaryClinton to make faces, smirk at Sen Sanders comments & shake her finger at him & the yelling! Ugh. #ImWithHer

[stevenleser]

191. I almost forgot about the stupid smirking. He always does that when he is caught too.

Like when she called him out for trying to primary Obama.

[Quixote1818]

192. Other women seem to think posts like this are sexist

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1431812

[Cobalt Violet]

230. But we're expected to be Hillary's sheep if we are female.

[Aerows]

193. Yes, yikes

The day I need you to speak for me is the day swine with wings are flying around all over the place.

Damn, Steven, this is over the top even for you.

[stevenleser]

198. See my #132 above. Attacking me won't help. But your pointless ad-hominem is noted. nt

[Quixote1818]

209. What do you say to the women who say your pedeling this kind of ilk is what actually is sexist?

You can point to all kinds of articles but many women on DU have pointed out why they don't believe he was being sexist and such attacks actually are. I don't believe you think he was being sexist either which makes your OP really quite disgusting. What do you say to those women who are offended by this type of disingenuous smear campaign? And if you want to hide behind saying "I am only the messenger" it won't work. By posting this ilk you are flat out suggesting Bernie is sexist as directly as anyone who actually said it. Do you really believe Sanders is sexist Steve? Come on, your better than this, you know Bernie isn't sexist so don't try to smear him by spreading this kind of dirt around and hide behind suggesting you are only a messenger.

If you admit you truly think Bernie is sexist I will let you slide but if you don't believe it then posting this was in really poor taste.

[stevenleser]

211. I say exactly what I said to the other poster. Addressing your comments to me is pointless.

Unless for some reason you think I can cause all the articles on this to vanish from existence.

[Quixote1818]

214. I will ask it again. Do you think Bernie is sexist?

After every debate there are always dozens of articles that suggest all kinds of things about what the author thinks the candidates are up to but people post on DU what they want people to hear. Again, if you think Bernie is sexist, more power to you but if not then you might want to ask yourself what was in your heart that made you feel it was so necessary to spread these kind of McCarthy tactics.

[stevenleser]

215. Since I started this OP, my question first. Do you discount the women who find it sexist?

Are their opinions to be dismissed?

[Quixote1818]

216. To be quite frank, yes because the other women's arguments are 1000 times more compelling.

But I am still waiting to hear if you actually think Bernie is sexist?

[stevenleser]

217. Take it up with those women. They are on Twitter. nt

[Quixote1818]

218. So you refuse to answer my question then?

Do you personally think Bernie is sexist after he has spent his entire fucking life working his ass off for women's rights?

[polly7]

245. Yeah, they're playing victim for something that didn't exist.

Saying 'excuse me' when being continually interrupted is just being polite towards anyone (man or woman).

It's bullshit.

[ucrdem]

197. What a surprise eh.

And people keep saying how disappointed he'd be in his ruder supporters. Not hardly.

[amborin]

199. If some women didn't like "excuse me, I'm talking," then they are being sexist.

If Person A interrupts when Person B is speaking, then Person B has every right to say, "excuse me, I'm talking."

If person A supporters don't like that reply, they are implying that Hillary should have received some special, preferential treatment, based on sex categorization.

But that is totally sexist. Get it? Asking for something different or special, based on one's sex, is sexist. Just like voting for someone based on their sex categorization is also sexist.

That's how these ascribed characteristics work. Being either for or against someone, purely on the basis of an ascribed characteristic, is bad. Sex, race, ethnicity are ascribed characteristics.

And, if Hillary does need some kind of delicate, kid glove deference, then it's just reason #2459 why she is a poor candidate for the nomination.

[840high]

212. .+10

[Matariki]

219. Instructional

I guess President Obama is 'sexist' too - from 3:45 - 4:40

[TM99]

262. Yes, and the Steven Lesser of 2008

rightly criticized Clinton and did not call Obama sexist.

The Steven Lesser of 2016 is doing the opposite.

I wonder why that is?!

[DrDan]

222. no doubt - it was rude . . . I was surprised to hear that . . .

but considering how intense things are getting as we begin to close out this primary season, I can understand it.

[pdsimdars]

225. Bunch of nonsense

Look at any debate and when some person tries to talk over another person, often they tell them to "Excuse me, I'm talking."
It was rude of her to constantly interrupt when he was trying to talk.
If you want to be treated as equal then you can't react when you are treated just like anyone else. When you are rude, someone may point that out to you, just like the men always do when they are interrupted.

[morningfog]

228. Brock's rat fuck rag.

[Cobalt Violet]

229. Well this woman say "Good for him, Go Bernie, Go"

I don't take my cues from other women. Nice try though.

[agracie]

231. She interrupted HIM. She interrupted/ignored Anderson. She talked and talked even ...

when her time was up. She was rude and obnoxious. That smirk of hers p*sses me off to no end.

Anderson did a poor job of controlling her nonsense.

[noiretextatique]

232. WEAK...how about the Queen dismissing 2 black women?

Her priviledged attitude sucks. So does her and her supporters constantly playing the victim.

[polly7]

242. If they couldn't play victim or make her one they'd have nothing to run on. nt.

[beedle]

233. What is the proper response ...

... When a strong feminist rudly interupts you in the middle of answering a question?

[Vinca]

235. As a woman, considering how rude Hillary was being, I'd have said "STFU already."

Do not play the gender card . . . please. Rude is rude.

[Sancho]

236. Not the first time that Bernie was rude and sexist...

sooner or later it will cost him a lot of votes.

Put that together with all those "poor black people" and "mentally ill republicans" I suspect Bernie is narrowing his voter base every time he speaks.

He really needs to have fewer debates at this point.

[NurseJackie]

246. "He really needs to have fewer debates at this point."

He really needs to have fewer debates at this point.

I'd commented several times in the past that Bernie and his supporters should be THANKING Debbie for the light debate schedule. But, as the old saying goes: "be careful what you wish for".

After seeing his initial performances during the first debates, I was ALSO hoping for additional debates... but for reasons that were ENTIRELY OPPOSITE from those of Bernie's campaign and supporters.




Go, Hillary! We love you!

[Skwmom]

237. Some people will do anything for a buck. n/t

[pdsimdars]

238. Title is wrong, it should be SOME women react

Reasonable women didn't. They realize when someone is being rude, man or woman, as Hillary was by constantly interrupting Bernie and talking over him during his time, that that person, man or woman, should be called out on it at some point.
Reasonable people understand this common sense idea.

[vintx]

239. Did you bother looking at any tweets yourself?

There are plenty of women pushing back against this biased bullshit on twitter.

People need to stop claiming to speak for women. We can speak for ourselves just fine.

[bklyncowgirl]

248. So the woman who stood up to a 12 hour grilling from a Senate Committee out to hang her is a wuss?

Sorry, I don't think so.

Hillary Clinton is smart as a whip and hard as nails. That's what I like about her. She tried to cut Sanders off and he shut her down. It was fair game and as a woman I would want nothing less.

[dana_b]

249. I'm a woman

and I thought that she was rude. She kept talking over him so what was he supposed to do?

Bunch of b.s.

[hobbit709]

251. From Hillary basher in '08 to enthusiastic supporter today.

You and a host of others here. Makes you wonder what the deal was.

[Go Vols]

266. yes it does

[aintitfunny]

252. I am a woman and my reaction is he was correct

He had an absolute, undeniable right to expect her to stop interrupting him and trying to take away his opportunity for rebuttal.

It isn't complicated and BlueNationReview should be shunned by anyone who seeks fair reporting.

[tazkcmo]

253. Poor Hillary.

That battle tested, fighting, liberated, principled warrior sure is tougher than her supporters that don't see their own rudeness when interrupting another person that's speaking and get butt hurt over "excuse me". Delicate flowers.

[UglyGreed]

257. .

[Orsino]

259. You mean "Clinton supporters react..." n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

260. 2008:

Shame on you Barack Obama:

[Sweetearth]

267. Better Check This Out if you're Voting

http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/02/29/good-old-girls-working-class-women-matter-super-tuesday