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amborin

(16,631 posts)
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:34 AM Mar 2016

Something I wish Bernie had said

(posted this in response to an OP)

If we had had universal health care, maybe GM would not have gone bankrupt in the 1st place


Every year the cost of retired workers' health care diverted billions of dollars from developing new models and added $1,400 to the cost of each car compared with those made in Asian and European transplants.


http://www.economist.com/node/13782942

there were a LOT of reasons for GM's bankruptcy, not least the foreign transplants in the non-union southern right to work states.

But having to pay employee and pensioner health care was certainly a huge reason

On another note, the Cadillac tax is looming on the horizon; it was delayed until well after the election.

Supporters of the tax claim it will hit only “extensive union plans” or “very rich plans,” says James Klein, president of the American Benefits Council, a member of an anti-Cadillac-tax advocacy group. “But the reality of it is: It’s going to affect plans that are expensive, not necessarily the ones that are the most comprehensive.” Advocates like Klein contend that some plans are pricey through “no fault” of insurance-plan sponsors or the workers who have them; cohorts with more ill, disabled, or older workers often have more expensive plans, for example, as do people living in regions with high health-care costs, like Alaska and California. Plans that cover families who have experienced “unfortunate, catastrophic” health events can be pricey, too.

The 40 percent excise tax was designed to kill at least two birds with one stone, by reining in health-care spending and providing funding for other provisions of Obamacare, including insurance subsidies for low-income Americans. Starting in 2020—a new deadline passed by Congress last month—the tax will be levied on plan providers, like insurance companies and self-insured employers. But it would ultimately have effects on workers, too: An insurance company would pass at least some of the cost on to employers, who would in turn make coverage or cost-sharing adjustments to contend with the tax. The tax applies to health-insurance premiums that cost more than $10,200 for a single person or more than $27,500 for couples and families. Those thresholds, which include both the employee and employer contributions, are designed to rise with inflation. But “because health costs tend to grow faster than inflation,” the number of health-care plans that qualify for the tax will rise, too. Kosali Simon, a health economist at Indiana University, suggests that as premiums first rise above the threshold in small amounts, it might not be a “big deal” for individuals. But over time, “more and more” people will find “more and more” of their premiums subject to the tax.

Unions have been among the most vocal opponents of the Cadillac tax, as they have traditionally used substantial benefits packages to attract members. But Klein’s group, the Alliance to Fight the 40—which counts unions, insurance companies, an American Cancer Society affiliate, and county governments among its members—claims every American covered by employer-sponsored insurance, roughly 175 million people, are “at risk,” because of the inflation indexing.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/01/cadillac-tax-obamacare/431679/
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Something I wish Bernie had said (Original Post) amborin Mar 2016 OP
excellent post putitinD Mar 2016 #1
thanks; think it was Robert Reich & others who argued this back in 2008 nt amborin Mar 2016 #4
damn straight TheFarseer Mar 2016 #2
yes! amborin Mar 2016 #5
Also stopped big pharma FDA post & record of appointing honest, smart people in Burlington snowy owl Mar 2016 #3
agree; amborin Mar 2016 #6
"Universal health care is a better way to help small businesses' lostnfound Mar 2016 #7
Much bigger job... start with what you can do snowy owl Mar 2016 #8

TheFarseer

(9,317 posts)
2. damn straight
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:44 AM
Mar 2016

They act like Medicare For All just costs tax payers money and has no benefit. It saves tax-payers and companies health insurance premiums. Those costs make American businesses less competitive compared to foreign companies that don't pay that cost for their workers.

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
3. Also stopped big pharma FDA post & record of appointing honest, smart people in Burlington
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 12:51 AM
Mar 2016

There are many good points of his activism that he could be talking about but he doesn't. That is a major campaign error.

amborin

(16,631 posts)
6. agree;
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 01:05 AM
Mar 2016

wish he would mention these issues; universal health care was equally relevant to the Boeing question;

and the looming cadillac tax is relevant to discussion of his tax plan

lostnfound

(16,161 posts)
7. "Universal health care is a better way to help small businesses'
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 08:16 AM
Mar 2016

Better than the Ex Im bank, better than bailouts or special tax breaks for industries that lobby

snowy owl

(2,145 posts)
8. Much bigger job... start with what you can do
Tue Mar 8, 2016, 03:30 AM
Mar 2016

making appointments. That is on record how he burned Burlington around. And yes, confirmations are required but he have coattails and the bully pulpit and he'd use it.

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