What Industries does Bernie think well of?

[kennetha]

Serious question.

Bernie speaks derisively of just about every kind of corporation that he mentions, most explicitly:

Banking and Financial Services
Drug companies.
Health Insurance.
Fossil Fuel Industry.

He mentions these often.

But tonight he added the following two to his list of corporate bad guys:

The Auto Industry
Boeing.

Are there any industries/corporations that he ever mentions favorably? Just asking.

[stevenleser]

1. Interesting observation. nt

[metroins]

2. Lol. So simple

Yet so complex.

What a great thought.

[RobertEarl]

14. So simple it is complex for some?

The industries that pollute are not looked upon well by Bernie. Nor the ones that rip people off.

We have regulations here and what happens is big money buys their way around regulations.

Or is that too complex for some of you?

[metroins]

18. Did you name an industry?

No text.

[RobertEarl]

26. No. Did you?

I guess it is too complex for you to figure any of this out, and I don't have all night to help you, so......

[metroins]

30. I cannot think of a

Positive statement Bernie has made about our great, world leading, industries.

I guess you can't find one he supports either.

[jillan]

3. Bernie does not think well of any industry that price gouges consumers. Profit is one thing.

Gouging consumers is another.

It's quite simple.

[bravenak]

4. I think he likes the Gun Manufacturers and Sellers if what I heard was correct.

[kennetha]

5. right. they alone deserve to be protected from product liability suits.

[bravenak]

7. Exactly

[pipoman]

61. Since they aren't protected from "product liability suits" your point is moot...

[Cleita]

27. Hillary sure does. It's part of the MIC. She couldn't have orchestrated military operations in the

when she was SOS without them.

[bravenak]

31. He seemed to speak more positively about it than she did tonight, for sure.

He had nothing bad to say about them

[Cleita]

33. What is more positively? What you are saying is both are in favor, but one is more in favor

than the other? That is nonsense.

[bravenak]

34. One is in favor of them having absolute immunity

One is not

[JonLeibowitz]

40. The PLCAA does not offer them absolute immunity, nor has Sanders suggested they should have it

Have you read the PLCAA? You might be surprised at its contents, the exceptions it includes.

[bravenak]

50. They should have no more immunity than the Tobacco companies.

Or any other corporation. I do not understand the thinking behind giving them special immunities.

[pipoman]

65. They don't have any more immunity than tobacco companies

They don't have any special immunities.

You cannot sue a tobacco company for a cancer death. Why? Because tobacco companies tell you every time you buy their product that it is a cancer causing product.

The only successful tobacco company suits revolved around lying about the dangers of smoking.

PLCAA simply states the obvious and keeps multi billionaire assholes from funding frivolous law suits for fun wasting the time of our judicial system and wrongfully destroying small business. Every suit prohibited by PLCAA would be eventually dismissed by a court.

Billionaires don't get to own our justice system or destroy the innocent with it.

[bravenak]

89. They put those labels AFTER they got sued for CANCER DEATHS

I have no clue why you seem to be ignoring that we CAN sue them for cancer deaths. We did. Thats why they label.

[pipoman]

98. Yeah? So?

If they hadn't lied about and hidden the information the suits wouldn't have ever prevailed. And no, you cannot sue a tobacco company in federal court for a cancer death, which is why virtually none of the millions who die each year sue....why tobacco companies still exist. You could if, say, new information came out that they are somehow knowingly enhancing the cancer causing effect of cigarettes or if some defect in the product caused someone to die. As long as cigarettes are just killing people who know the consequences before they die there is no cause for action.

[bravenak]

99. So we need to be able to sue gun companies into doing similar things

Making safer guns. Guns that two year olds cannot shoot. Among other things.

[pipoman]

100. Most guns are completely safe when sitting on a counter...

The idea that you can sue an industry into inventing anything is complete silliness.

Every single new gun sold comes with a volume of safety rules and warnings. They cover every possible safety concern. They have done this since long before cigarette companies began putting warnings on. The makers have not lied or mislead to make people think that guns are not dangerous...ever...

No, you don't get to use the courts to impose penalties for laws that you can't pass...wishful thinking

Furthermore nobody in their right mind would want to start down a path that allowed for items with an annual dearh rate of...what is it 1:10,000,000..(including around 98% intentional acts)

[WDIM]

80. Hillary likes them more. Making sure they get Billions in Sales to Dictators. nt

[bravenak]

90. Not as much as the guy who voted to give them immunity

[Biggs McGee]

91. Completely off topic, but can't help noticing a signature..

http://www.tmz.com/2016/03/07/katt-williams-punch-fight-video/

He has had an interesting week to say the least...

[zappaman]

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[bravenak]

97. Smh

Thank you

[think]

6. If one just ignores corruption it'll go away right?

[jfern]

8. He never said anything against the auto industry

[Cheese Sandwich]

9. We're not supposed to "think well" about industries.

We're supposed to ask how can we make these industries serve the people.

[kennetha]

11. So are there any industries in America

that are serving the people, on Bernie's view?

[Cheese Sandwich]

23. I'm saying my view

It's not like a yes or no thing. Some are better some are worse.

Credit unions are better for example. A company that makes solar panels would be better than a coal mine for example.

A public school would be better than a private charter school I guess usually.

[Cleita]

24. Absolutely none in my view. I don't know what Bernie views, however, since we seem to have

an American attitude that people serve corporations and businesses, when it should be the other way around, I doubt there is any business that serves the people.

[RobertEarl]

10. Industries are ok

Its the heads of the industries that use big money to corrupt the government that Bernie has a problem with. Especially the ones that buy their way into polluting the planet.

This is all kind of elemental. Is this your first time thinking about this subject?

[elleng]

19. Right.

Thanks.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

12. Organic groceries

And hookah stores.

[NurseJackie]

54. Ha! :-D

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[oasis]

13. Gun makers.

[Zynx]

15. That was fairly peculiar.

Frankly, I trust the banks more than I trust the gun manufacturers.

[slipslidingaway]

36. And the manufactures of cluster bombs that kill kids in 'other countries' ...

who cares about those kids!

"Soooo there's that."



You cannot separate our actions here and abroad without looking at the subsequent rise of terrorism, unless you are an ostrich.

I find it strange that Clinton supporters are all for moving jobs overseas with free trade, but they fail to see the impact of our adventures overseas and the detrimental effects with respect to jobs ... not to mention our invasions.

We have got to it together, for all the old and young.

[Cleita]

16. The ones that make good jobs here in America. Those are the industries he thinks well of.

Oh, it doesn't seem there are any of those anymore thanks to the trade agreements made in the last couple of decades some of them by Pres. Clinton and others by Pres. Bush. I don't think he dissed the auto industry at all. I don't know where you get that. As far as Boeing, it's a big part of the military industrial complex. What we don't use to make war on other countries we sell to other countries to make war. Boeing is a big profiteer of that. I personally don't like any war industry so I support Bernie in that.

What industries should he mention favorably? I can't think of any that deserve favorable mention myself these days. I personally hate the energy industry, particularly big oil and other mining industries. I haven't noticed any of the candidates attacking those industries, including Bernie, but in the future I will be sure to support the candidates who do.

Any more questions for your think tank to throw our way?

[kennetha]

66. So you're saying

Nobody has a good job in America anymore?

[Cleita]

75. I'm not saying that and you know it.

However wages have stagnated in the past twenty years among the common working class. Manufacturing jobs have mostly disappeared leaving behind service jobs. Most of the working class that achieved middle class in the fifties and sixties are working poor today and if they went to college are heavily in debt with student loans.

The young person who enter the job market today enters a far poorer landscape than I did in 1961 and as a woman I was very discriminated in the work place; lower wages; jobs only men would be hired for and glass ceilings to contend with, yet I had better protection with labor laws that were enforced. I was able to support myself, paying rent and living expenses and still having enough left over to get a movie with friends on the weekend. Of course the men who made almost twice as much as me for less skilled jobs were able to support families.

So although a few do have good jobs like professionals, lawyers and doctors for instance, in general the labor lanscape is bleak not only because of outsourcing to third world countries but union busting as well.


,

[pkdu]

17. Nuclear Waste Disposal companies seem to be a personal favorite of his n/t

[Cleita]

25. That's a lie. Take it back.

[Live and Learn]

20. Corporations that pay workers a fair wage and don't gouge consumers.

Of course, there aren't very many of those left in the US today. Thanks Hillary.

[Ron Green]

21. Worker Self Directed Enterprises. Google it.

Richard Wolff, UMass Amherst, has written a book about it. Check it out.

[stevenleser]

28. So he is a full on Socialist then if that is all you guys can come up with. Why not say so?

Why all this nonsense and subterfuge?

[JonLeibowitz]

41. Thinking it is a good idea means you want to make it a requirement?

News to me.

Talk about nonsense, though.

[stevenleser]

42. It's the only one you guys can come up with so no, not a requirement, but its the only option.

Apparently. According to those of you who support him.

[JonLeibowitz]

43. See post #10 for an actual answer. n/t

[stevenleser]

45. I don't see post #10. I have a lot of folks on ignore. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

46. Your loss. n/t

[stevenleser]

47. Nope, it's not. nt

[Ron Green]

68. "You guys?" What the hell are you talking about?

Here's a little story from my own experience; I think Bernie would understand.

Many years ago in my home state of Texas I started a business, a bicycle shop that I owned for 10 years, building it from a one-man operation into a substantial enterprise employing about 10 people.

For the first year or more, my only employee, like me, was a disabled US Army veteran with free health care through the VA. As we worked to build the business – selling new bicycles on very small profit margins, repairing old bikes that often weren’t worth the cost of new parts, convincing people that our more expensive products were a better choice than the discount junk at the big-box stores – keeping our precious cash flowing back into a growing operation was a challenge. I was approached by several insurance agents seeking to show me group health plans for my business, and I was pleased and relieved to tell them that this particular company was already covered by socialized medicine!

However, as I started to hire new staff to handle our growing volume and diversification (into clothing, skateboards, exercise equipment), I realized that these new employees didn’t have the no-hassle health coverage Larry, my first mechanic, and I enjoyed. I actually found myself looking for candidates who were young enough to be covered by their parents’ plans, or for seniors with Medicare. I just couldn’t afford to grow the business and at the same time pay out for an expensive group plan.

I remember thinking, way back then, that if every new hire came with health coverage provided by a universal system, what a marvelous environment that would be for start-ups, “mom-and-pops” and other small businesses. Workers wouldn’t have to hold on to jobs that aren’t really right for them, just to keep from disaster if they lose their insurance.

I have thought much about this over the years, and have become more convinced that the best health care system for business is a universal one, publicly funded and designed not to benefit investors, but to promote and preserve good health for everyone.

[Live and Learn]

22. Are there any industries/corporations that Hillary won't take money from? nt

[WDIM]

82. There's no Dictators she won't take money from either! nt

[Attorney in Texas]

29. Sanders is TOTALLY in the bag for Big Ice Cream

[OZi]

32. Which ones are subsidizing Hillary's campaign?

I would imagine he likes Co-Ops and said he doesn't want to put the gun manufacturers out of business.

He probably doesn't like companies that use their ties in Washington to get legislation to protect and/or enhance their profits.

He probably likes the ones that pay their share in taxes and pay their employees a decent/livable wage.

[southerncrone]

35. Here's one: Alternative Fuel Industry

[pkdu]

48. The city of Sierra Blanca , TX are laughing their asses off at that one. nt

[southerncrone]

102. The very reason he believes in alternative energy that is NOT nuclear.

That Sierra Blanca event probably played a role in his current stance on nuclear energy. It's toxic waste is too risky to dispose of ANYWHERE.

http://feelthebern.org/bernie-sanders-on-energy-policy/

[pkdu]

103. Riiiight.

He voted to dump toxic shit in Texas ( and had his wife put on the commission) , because ...blah , blah blah.

[Hekate]

37. One wonders, doesn't one.

Hmmmmm

[Lizzie Poppet]

38. Ben and Jerry's?

Now for my part, I don't support the ice cream industry.

I''m lactose intolerant...

[ReallyIAmAnOptimist]

39. Non predatory, civically responsible ones.

[AgingAmerican]

44. So now we are to feel sorry for big banks, big pharma, health insurers, and oil companies?

[kennetha]

51. The point is Sanders is really and truly

a socialist. hates capitalism. He doesn't want capitalism with a human face. He wants socialism.

[libtodeath]

59. That is a plus to a lot of people that have been chewed up and spit out by capitalism.

[AgingAmerican]

60. You don't get it, do you?

You are fine with those industries, aren't you?

[Svafa]

69. Thanks for the red baiting. You should check out free republic; you might feel more at home there.

[kennetha]

70. What you have to be a socialist to be a democrat now?

I think Bernie is the only self-declared socialist in the Congress and he wasn't and isn't a Democrat. So how come accepting Bernie's socialism suddenly got to be the price of admission to a party to which he doesn't even belong?

[Svafa]

72. Because the "OMG Sanders is a big scary socialist!" is a classic rightwing tactic.

According to Noam Chomsky, "Bernie Sanders may call himself a socialist, but he's basically a New Dealer in the current American political system." Anyone who knows the differences between Democratic Socialism and Marxist Socialism and says, "Bernie is a Socialist!" is spouting rightwing talking points.

[kennetha]

73. He's a frickin's socialist, pure and simple.

He's a socialist by his own admission. He says himself he is not a capitalist, he is a socialist.

Why do you have such trouble accepting his own self-description?

[Svafa]

74. You have proven yourself to be either rightwing troll or

completely uneducated on the issue. He describes himself as a democratic socialist. And other Democratic Socialists have posited that even that label may be a bit of a stretch, preferring to refer to him as a New Deal Democrat.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/presidential-campaign/271652-what-does-sanders-mean-by-democratic-socialism

[kennetha]

76. check this out

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/bernie-sanders-1985-cuba-castro-educated-their-kids-gave-their-kids-healthcare-totally-transformed-society

[Svafa]

77. So he supports universal access to education and health care.

You are doing nothing to persuade anyone that you're not a conservative.

[arcane1]

101. Healthcare and education for children is a Bad Thing now?

[WDIM]

85. And that is what this country needs!

Capitalism has failed! It has stolen the lives, hopes and dreams of 90% of the population.
Capitalism is racist, narcissistic, corrupt, based on lies, unequal, undemocratic, and nothing but a scam to rob from the poor and give to the rich.

[fourcents]

49. Simple he believes in them not getting tax breaks for outsourcing jobs for one.

[Renew Deal]

52. Nuclear Waste. VT based military industrial complex

[Lorien]

53. He supports any company which treats it's workers and the environment fairly

unlike Hillary, who serves any company willing to hand her $225,000 or more.

[kennetha]

67. Care to name any that meets his lofty standards?

[Cobalt Violet]

55. farming.

[DrDan]

56. gun manufacturers

[seaglass]

57. I think Bernie is out of touch, perhaps it would have helped if he had a steady job at some point in

his life outside of Congress.

Many, many people earn their livelihoods from these corporations and are treated well by their employers. Does he even know this? I was employed by AmEx in their Travel Division for years and not only did they pay well, offer fantastic benefits and plenty of opportunities for advancement but they encouraged employees to give back to their communities and championed diversity in the work force.

I guess I am just a corporate sell out because I liked my job, my company and felt I was compensated fairly for my time.

[kennetha]

71. Good point

[Armstead]

84. I suppose he could have had a meager hardscrabble life like the Clintons

[auntpurl]

92. I worked for a university hospital that was the largest employer in my large Northestern town

Same. Fantastic benefits, well-organised with good management (for the most part, there are always exceptions), employee mentoring, etc. By the way, at the time I was not a college graduate, and yet I still made a living wage with good benefits.

Big employers are sometimes wonderful! Sometimes not, obviously. And I do believe corporations should be taxed more. But not into oblivion. I think Hillary's proposals are a lot more feasible and will pass through Congress in a way Bernie's never will. And won't send the American economy into panic, thus laying the groundwork for a Repub takeover next election cycle and repealing all the legislation that just got passed.

[seaglass]

95. That was really my only point, that corporations can be good employers and can be generous

in the community. Of course there are companies that treat their employees like crap, are harmful to the environment, do not pay their fair share of taxes etc., but they can't and shouldn't all be lumped together.

[marions ghost]

58. He's for having them pay their fair share & invest in America

--stupid to say he is not 'for" business and enterprise.

He wants them to become more honest and responsible. They are predators.

[Nanjeanne]

93. Amen. Sometimes I feel like I've fallen into the rabbit hole and

Democrats use Republican talking points and think that's how to influence people to support Hillary Clinton.

Bizarre.

[marions ghost]

94. I know, it's Bizarro-world all right

I'm hanging in there because I still care. If it weren't for Bernie, I would not be in it any more. We have a fighting chance to be heard.

[BainsBane]

62. guns, sugar

and Lockheed-Martin. At least according to his voting record.

[treestar]

63. none and he would turn off all middle of the road voters

who have a job.

[MineralMan]

64. The Vermont ice cream industry?

Or maybe component manufacturing for the F-35. I think he likes both of those OK. Maybe the Vermont Country Store. I get their catalogs, and have deep respect for their old-time crackers. In fact, it's about time to order another refill bag.

[spyker29]

78. He's only against the ones that are profitable.

[WDIM]

79. They are all corrupt. Industry in this country has become nothing but a license to steal.

Lie cheat and steal and we allow them to do it.
From knowingly making products defective with planned obsolescence.
To exploiting workers and tax payers.

The banking industry is truly horrible with their usury interest rates they suck the wealth of the people. They are truly parasites that live off the hard work of others.

Drug companies push poison while suppressing natural herbs and medicines.

Health insurance has nothing to do with health care and is another way to scam average people and take the wealth to the top.

Fossil Fuel's war for oil is enough said. It is true blood money.

Auto industry owned by billionaires yet they expect the tax payers to give them a handout. When has the auto industry ever given their customers who are struggling to make their car payment a handout?

Boeing is a war profiteer enough said.

All these large parasitic industries should be broken up.

[Cleita]

81. ++++

[Armstead]

83. He is supportive of businesses that behave well. He is against those that behave badly.

[George II]

86. And yet, as reported elsewhere here, about half his total net worth is invested in "Wall Street"!

[MaggieD]

88. That's interesting

He invests in evil Wall Street???

The Clintons have almost nothing invested in Wall street.

[MaggieD]

87. He hates every industry that offers good paying jobs

At least that is what it seems like. He's a bit schizoid on this issue. If all industries are evil where do the good paying jobs come from? Or does he believe in a MAXIMUM income of $15/hr? Starting to seem so.