Hillary's yelling gets complaint

[left-of-center2012]

MSNBC Interrupts Hillary Clinton's Speech To Complain About Her Voice
MSNBC's Lawrence O'Donnell : "One of the trickier things to teach people about public speaking is that the microphone works, you don't have to actually yell,".

"When you're going up every octave with every word, people are like, I have to get some popcorn and get away from this," former RNC chair Michael Steele said. "You'd think after all the years, she would figure that out."

The former secretary of state's speaking voice has long been a topic of conversation. Various pundits... have referred to her voice as "unpleasant," "unrelaxed" and "bitter."

[pdsimdars]

1. And how about her continual RUDENESS -- constantly interrupting and talking over Bernie

That was annoying too. Rude, rude, rude. .

[DrDan]

3. as opposed to continual finger-pointing and "Excuse me, I'm talking"

annoying, Rude, rude, rude

[tazkcmo]

20. Excuse me, I'm talking

Is not rude to say to a person that has interrupted. Domething like, "Shut the fuck up. I have the floor, not you." would be a rude way to correct the rude interruption.

[grossproffit]

2. How petty.

[BeyondGeography]

4. I'm with Steele; this is an easily correctable flaw

She's either not getting coaching, not seeking it or resisting it.

[Vattel]

5. And we should care, why?

Vote on record! Vote for Bernie!

[Vinca]

6. Lawrence, of course, will now be branded as a sexist until the end of time.

The truth is, when it comes to campaigning, Hillary's voice is a problem. She desperately needs a voice coach. By the time she finishes a thought she's practically screaming.

[ThePhilosopher04]

36. Imagine having to listen to her speak everyday for the next 4 years ...

it's bad enough on the campaign trail. #EarPlugs

[Vinca]

39. #EarPlugs - LOL.

[FlatBaroque]

7. Every time a question is directed at her

I feel like I am about to be sent to the principal's office.

[Kalidurga]

8. I would like her better if she yelled more.

Instead of doing things like telling bankers "cut it out." She should yell at them. And cut the purse strings from the government to them.

[Waiting For Everyman]

9. If she thinks that's effective, she's wrong.

It's very annoying and it comes off aggressive. I won't listen to it, and it isn't about being a woman because I'm one too. I will not be shouted at by anybody, including on tv.

Vocal fry is out too, it's extremely phony. Learn to speak. The new thing I don't like is when people pronounce Clinton as if it doesn't have a "t" in it... like Clin-in. Just stop it, it's stupid.

[riversedge]

11. Bernie yells most of the time--in addition he has that horrible finger wagging issue.

[Waiting For Everyman]

17. Bernie's hand gestures are nothing to Trump's.

Is she going to complain like a baby if she has to debate him?

Bernie yells in stadiums. She yells all the time.

[FlatBaroque]

12. This is how she thinks she is showing passion /

[BernieforPres2016]

25. The only place vocal fry isn't out is at NPR

It seems to be a job requirement there for young women. And I'm with you on Clin-in.

[GreatGazoo]

10. one of the things I love about Obama: his even toned voice

His calm voice is statesman-like and Presidential.

[dana_b]

15. yes, he has a great voice

Even when he gets a bit angry, he can hold it together by talking lower. I was actually taught in a speech class that if pople start getting excited and raising their voices to make their points, lower your voice and remain as calm as you can. If you do, they will start lowering theirs as well. I have tried it several times and it works! I'm sure that they all have taken speech classes but maybe Obama actually remembered his.

[GreatGazoo]

19. Trevor Noah had a great bit last week on this

Talked about how classy Obama is and that even when he diss'ing you or even if Obama told a Your Momma joke it would still sound equally classy because of his delivery. Then Noah told one as Obama with the little pauses and the "uuh.." that we have come to know and love. It was funny because it was so true.

Even when Obama speaks loudly as he does here, he still lacks a certain tone. He never comes across as out of control:

[TheCowsCameHome]

13. I think her yelling is a negative.

She can still be effective without it.

[riversedge]

14. Shame on the msnbc hosts.

[riversedge]

28. not per the OP

[RobinA]

16. I Lean Hillary

and I find her voice annoying. As I do Sander's. Both definitely could use some serious voice coaching.

Actually, everything about this campaign is freakin' annoying. From the obvious pandering and shouting on our side to the food fight, pee-pee comparison debates on the other.

[Bucky]

18. You left off "harpy", "shrew", and "henpecking" in your list of sexist put downs

So.... you're saying she's and "unpleasant" woman. Gosh, I wonder what you might mean by that.

[tazkcmo]

21. Also left off

War hawk, conservative, flip flop, liar, bought.

[PonyUp]

23. That pretty much covers her 100%. n/t

[IdaBriggs]

32. One of the most annoying things about this type of comment

is that it completely attempts to reframe the issue into something that isn't actually the problem.

The post is about a perception of untrained or unpleasant vocal intonation, with issues that are regularly discussed in high school speech classes and other training (including Toast Masters). Supporters of the other candidate chimed in the thread with "yeah, my guy does it, too" and yet --

You immediately decided it was a sexist thing, which allows you to ignore whether or not there is an actual legitimate issue.

You dismissed the concern and mentally reinforced the stereotype that anyone who has an issue with your candidate is simply being sexist and therefore should not be listened to.

This willingness to ignore anyone else's reality but your own gives you the appearance of not being credible in any attempt at an impartial discussion.

Please do not think your dog whistle is being missed; it appears to be a defense mechanism, and if you are stifling dissent about something so innocent as vocal tone, what the heck can be expected when real problems with real world consequences need to be debated? Are the dictators of the world going to be swayed by the fact her supporters think anyone who doesn't agree with her is sexist?

It makes her seem weak, and her supporters foolishly partisan.

My opinion. Your mileage may vary.

[Sunlei]

22. Both of them have the same volume. Wish they could sit down and have a real discussion.

Discuss specific 'wall street friends', name them and discuss in depth what they specifically contribute or take away from America & Americans.

IMO, both are way to shallow in the 'debates'.

[beedle]

24. Hillary sucks

but on the issues .... I could not care less about her voice and "yelling".

Lots of people have annoying voices, and poor speaking technique.

A female voice is suppose to be (by nature) more 'noticeable' and 'attention grabbing' .. supposedly that's for good evolutionary reasons ... that's why female voices are usually used for GPS devices, emergency aircraft warning systems, etc.

I find her voice annoying myself, but when ever I find myself noticing this I consciously try to relax and ignore the voice and listen to the words (which usually makes me more annoyed in the case of Hillary and her establishment sell out BS.)

[Orsino]

29. I don't want to be sexist, but I have often found her voice irritating.

I did think she sounded great on Super Tuesday, a little hoarseness indicative of exhaustion suiting her. That spoke to me of earned victories.

I knowingly began a post with, " I don't want to be sexist, but..." it's something I want to be on guard against; generally, I avoid listening to speeches and debates.

[Mike Nelson]

31. He is unfair to...

...single out Hillary. They both yell. Hillary and Bernie both spoke too loudly, for practically the entire debate last night. I get what Mr. O'Donnell is saying about working with a mic. He doesn't take into account the speaker's way to increase the crowd excitement is to speak louder. Also, if you speak softly using a mic, you can get the audience to be very quiet. I find that increases the audience's attention to what you are saying... but, possibly, these candidates are interested in upping the crowd noise and involvement.

I'm surprised to read people don't like Hillary's voice - perhaps it's that they don't like her and will find any voice annoying. Both Hillary and Bernie have fantastic, distinctive voices; you can hear them on the radio without need for identification. I find neither to be annoying - although I don't like it when either of them shouts for a long period of time. They're both more raspy than usual now, too, I think.

[IdaBriggs]

33. Both are older. I learned to speak loud because my father had hearing issues

and according to the folks in my house who have bat level auditory skills, I also speak louder when I get excited. I don't notice, but they wince. I recently had my hearing checked - maybe the candidates need to do so, also? Especially with all of the exposure to rallies, and the volumes of the crowds, etc.?

[Mike Nelson]

35. That is a good idea...

...they travel in comfort, I know... but the campaign must be exhausting. They have amazing energy!

[laruemtt]

34. Whenever she starts talking,

i hit the mute button. it's reflexive, like quickly removing your hand from fire.

[NCTraveler]

37. Love the change in verbiage after SC and what is being brought here.

A lot of people flying their true colors. The transparency is a thing of beauty.

Sounds like you have found a winning message. lol.

[AzDar]

38. She's trying to imitate Bernie's passion... but can only muster a yell, because it's FAKE.