2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThe DNC, Clinton and the 1% are creating an intentional Bernie media blackout.
It is amazing, and scary, to see the Sanders campaign wins forced off the front page by corporate media, the DNC, the 1% media owners and team Hillary. It has become so blatantly obvious that the major media has decided not to cover Bernie's wins anymore so as to take the air out of his sails. The pundit criticism of Bernie in the MSM is now 24/7.
These media actions are similar to the actions taken to destroy Occupy Wall Street, just done electronically. Actions one would expect a Donald "waterboard" Trump to take, not actions of the "Democratic" party, the New York Times, MSNBC, or the Washington Post.
The historic destruction of OWS, the bullshit tactics by DWS and the DNC in this election cycle, the blatant media manipulation for the candidate of the 1% are all winding a spring tighter and tighter.
When the spring breaks, watch out.
LonePirate
(13,412 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)I'm afraid that the oligarchical pillaging has been going on so long that the victims have been bludgeoned into thinking that somehow the rich are better and more deserving than those of us who are being robbed. It's like "Hail to the King" (Even though the King has been a terrible ruler"
"We are poor because we somehow deserve to be. Why else would they have everything and we have almost nothing?"
Screw all of that inferiority crap. Join together with like minded people. Fight back. Don't listen to the professionally created 24/7 media propaganda. Remember ,a crooked Democracy, isn't a Democracy.
Test what politicians are promising by examining their past record and associates.
You are being used. They are living off your hard work. They can be defeated. The French Revolution proved that.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)not just him.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)vastly more powerful than the Clinton Family Political Dirty Tricks Combine". The Revolution Bernie refers to is now a permanent
fixture in American life. After it has accomplished it's goals, it will be remember forever in American History just as the French Revolution is remembered today by people all over the World. Their revolution didn't solve all of their political problems just as ours won't. But it was a huuuuuuuge step in the right direction.
Revolutions are about the rights of millions of peoples. Crooked elections are about the criminality of dishonest people who care nothing about their Country.
Fairgo
(1,571 posts)You can't kill an idea whose time has come. Bernie is just a good and humble symbol of something much, much greater.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Just sayin'
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Yet they did happen...mostly covered abroad though. This is how manufactured consent works.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Perogie
(687 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)Just counting the times Sanders has been on talk shows negates this theory.
greymouse
(872 posts)of his Maine win. I see they put a little link way down this morning. The bias in the Times has been so ludicrous in the last month or two, it could serve as a textbook case for a civics class.
This morning I cancelled my paid subscription. They are no longer a "newspaper of record."
It's up to Bernie supporters to spread the news via social media, which I do.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Huge historic turnouts too. It was a caucus
Paper Roses
(7,473 posts)MSNBC said there was a low turnout but the Maine polling places were overwhelmed. The numbers were huge---good for the Mainers.
So huge in fact that the state is going to reconsider their use of the 'caucus' and return to 'primary' voting. There were video's
on-line of a mile of people waiting in one town. It was a huge turnout throughout the state.
Not good for those of us who want honest coverage. This whole Primary season is making me doubt the honesty of the process. I don't blame anyone except the media. Who is controlling them? Look and listen. The answer is abundantly clear.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)greymouse
(872 posts)the Times updates its website constantly.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)Not a word on Maine. Just mentioned that Hilary won big in Louisiana on Sat. and was ahead in the delegate count. ANd that Cruz won big as well.
I also heard a person on Politically Speaking mention an interview a few weeks ago with DWS when she said that the super delegates were there to keep the grassroots in check.
No links but I will go search for them if a reasonable person wants me to.
grahampuba
(169 posts)This was the front page, apologies for the small crop region, side bars were nothing politics related.
Sanders won the Minnesota Caucuses the Tuesday before this,
But looky whos on the front page.
(yeah, he got a 'see page 20' link)
[img]http://imgur.com/g1rAoVq[/img]
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)theory against Sanders any more than other candidates.
grahampuba
(169 posts)But Hillary gets the front page.
Someone asked for an instance of Sanders getting snubbed,.
this fits.
Interpret it as you will.
think
(11,641 posts)ABC, CBS, And NBC News Made An Intentional Decision To Ignore Bernie Sanders
By Jason Easley on Fri, Dec 11th, 2015 at 2:58 pm
An analysis of network television news coverage reveals what supporters of Sen. Bernie Sanders have long suspected; the three broadcast television networks are intentionally ignoring the Sanders campaign.
Eric Boehlert of Media Matters has the revealing details:So in terms of stand-alone campaign stories this year, its been 234 minutes for Trump, compared to 10 minutes for Sanders. And at ABC World News Tonight, its been 81 minutes for Trump and less than one minute for Sanders.
~Snip~
The corporate owned profit first network news divisions have made the editorial decision that they are going to lavish airtime upon the presidential candidate who most fits their corporate owners ideology.
The networks are ignoring Bernie Sanders because his anti-corporate message is dangerous to their well being. The broadcast and cable networks both have a habit of ignoring stories that can hurt their bosses bottom lines....
Read more:
http://www.politicususa.com/2015/12/11/abc-cbs-nbc-news-intentional-decision-ignore-bernie-sanders.html
The Discourse Suffers When Trump Gets 23 Times As Much Coverage as Sanders
All Trump all the time media coverage lets Trump define the discussion. It denies voters a broader, better discourse.
By John NicholsTwitterDECEMBER 14, 2015
f we imagine American media as a hungry beast that thinks only about its next meal, then it is easy to see why Donald Trumps presidential campaign has gone from strength to strength. Trump feeds the beast. With calculated and constant outrageousness, he dominates news coverage not just of the race for the Republican nomination but of the entire 2016 presidential competition. As veteran political observer Larry Sabato says, Its Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump and Trump.
~Snip~
And, as Media Matters for America has illustrated, there should be a good deal more coverage of Bernie Sanders. The network newscasts are wildly overplaying Trump, who regularly attracts between 20-30 percent of primary voter support, while at the same time wildly underplaying Sanders, who regularly attracts between 20-30 percent of primary voter support, observed Media Matterss Eric Boehlert in a report using data from media analyst Andrew Tyndall. Obviously, Trump is the GOP front runner and its reasonable that he would get more attention than Sanders, whos running second for the Democrats. But 234 total network minutes for Trump compared to just 10 network minutes for Sanders, as the Tyndall Report found?
Trump and Sanders are dramatically different contenders offering polar opposite proposals for the United States. Yet each has attracted a passionate following. And that has translated into similar levels of support.
On the Republican side, the Real Clear Politics poll averages have Trump attracting 30.4 percent support nationally among voters who might reasonably be expected to participate in Republican primaries and caucuses. On the Democratic side, the RCP poll averages have Clinton leading. But Sanders is attracting 31 percent support in the Democratic racea better number than Trump.
http://www.thenation.com/article/the-discourse-suffers-when-trump-gets-23-times-as-much-coverage-as-sanders/
Additional sources:
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/12/11/abc-world-news-tonight-has-devoted-less-than-on/207428
http://www.salon.com/2015/10/01/the_networks_are_doing_the_democrats_dirty_pundits_punish_hillary_bernie_gets_ignored_partner/
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/Decoder/2015/1214/Should-Bernie-Sanders-get-as-much-media-coverage-as-Donald-Trump
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)The Star Tribune is owned by Glen Taylor super Gooper.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)And he was barely even mentioned at all in the long article that followed the headline. It was all Hillary, Hillary, Hillary. Bernie won by a huge margin and they couldn't stand to mention that fact.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Too bad they picked the wrong candidate to back this year.
Jarqui
(10,122 posts)2015 News Airtime
327 mins 2016 Donald Trump campaign
121 mins 2016 Hillary Clinton campaign
.... other candidates
10 mins 2016 Bernie Sanders campaign
One could go further:
Has there been objective assessment of Bernie's policies? Not much. The vast majority of Americans do not know about them. They hear he's over promised or however the Clinton campaign wants to brand them. But has there been a detailed honest assessment? Very little that i've seen.
The pundits largely run with Clinton talking points - and tend to not dig very deeply into what is behind them.
That's not my lone impression. It's been a long and broad complaint throughout the 2016 campaign to the extent it's very predictable.
The media's job should be to objectively present what each campaign offers to the American public. The mainstream media have fallen way short of that standard in the Democratic primary. To many, the facts are overwhelming and beyond debate.
Unfortunately for Hillary, this media support is very probably fleeting. In the general election, the big six media companies who want and like Citizens United, will be doing to Hillary what they did to Bernie in the primary. And there's not a darn thing Hillary supporters will be able to do effectively about it. They've propped her up and soon enough, exploiting her flaws and a Shakespearean tragedy script, they'll cut her down as she will have served their purposes by nipping what Bernie talked about in the bud. So the media companies and big corporate will continue to control Washington.
riversedge
(70,177 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)stonecutter357
(12,694 posts)JudyM
(29,225 posts)Many of us have noticed it blatantly even on NPR, which is my main news source outside DU.
I believe it is honestly difficult for HRC supporters to see this because your framing is different. Maybe Sanders supporters are more tuned in to finding his positions, etc, presented even in passing after HRC's issues are being discussed. They are often not!
MelungeonWoman
(502 posts)give air to a guy who says the billionaires can't have it all? We are the media now, it is up to us to connect with the millions and millions of disillusioned who have given up on the MSM. We won't be able to turn most of those who still tune in to TV coverage, we have to find people who have given up on American politics and get those people involved again. I think we can do it.
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and that Bernie WON that caucus (yay!!!) if he hadn't mentioned it on the debate last night!
It's shameful how they ignore him - and us.
turbinetree
(24,688 posts)Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
Merryland
(1,134 posts)FailureToCommunicate
(14,012 posts)Cokie Roberts to repeat that 'we'll see if Bernie can fare any better with the African American voters' in the primaries ahead.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And that cartoon says it all.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)That is the daunting task ahead of us who realize designed income inequality needs to be addressed.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)beyond the pale & stinks to high heaven
Kip Humphrey
(4,753 posts)WE THE PEOPLE are refusing to go quietly.
WIN! Bernie, WIN! because M$M, the DNC, the Clinton campaign and its establishment surrogates, and the monied-elite 1% are demonstrating daily that our future is a future without open, true democracy for all.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)and will keep on truckin...
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)From what I see main people like the media being this way, just look at this thread and many posts. How narrow minded of you to think everyone must follow you "oh look at me I don't like corruption". Some of the people like the money coming in hand over fist. You sir are insensitive to the blight of the rich and powerful.
Hatchling
(2,323 posts)I'd apologize to the rich and powerful but they aren't listening to me.
pinebox
(5,761 posts)How sites like The Daily Beast have Chelsea on their board of directors, The Onion was purchased by a very prominent Clinton surrogate and high profile blogs like Blue Nation Review (David Brock) & Forward Progressives have gone full Clinton within the last year? Odd. There are more of course as well.
NowSam
(1,252 posts)I feel like I am watching the Hunger Games media.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)With the Republican Party literally imploding my hope is they go the way of the Whigs, the Neo Democrats replace them as more Conservative party while the Bernie/Elizabeth a Warren wing becomes a real progressive Democratic Party. And no such thing as super delegates.
Of course if we really want a true democracy we should have multiple viable parties, IRV, and 100 percent verifiable voting procedures not involving computers.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Ironic I'd say
Oldenuff
(582 posts)the chorus of Democrats who state that they will support the nominee,no matter who it is.
This may well be our last viable chance to get our country headed back in the right direction,and the DNC is not only actively involved in perverting it,but they then expect us to follow dutifully along and be good little Democrats and support the candidate that has been selected "for us".
Bull dab.
Not this time.I'll not vote for a candidate who will sell us out at the first opportunity.
LonePirate
(13,412 posts)Then why are you here? The entire purpose of this site is to support Democrats. This is not Socialists Underground or Occupy Underground or Progressives Underground. If you refuse to support the Dem nominee in the GE, you are possibly subject to a TOS violation and a potential banning.
Not only that but unless you support the Dem nominee in the GE, you are essentially giving your vote to the Republicans. How receptive do you think they will be to your message? How much of their agenda do your support and how much of your agenda do they support?
Red Oak
(697 posts)There seem to be three candidates in this race
Bernie (D), Clinton (R) and Clinton (D)
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marew
(1,588 posts)Vilis Veritas
(2,405 posts)Too bad people focus on finger wagging and bullshit...
Orange Butterfly
(205 posts)My comment is not to slam HRC. It is a reality of the political baggage she is up against as a Pres. candidate. All this stuff will come out in force. It will be very painful for all of us.
One more reason I so pray Bernie is our nominee. He will be slammed on many things, no doubt, but his politics are cleaner.
greymouse
(872 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Senators in Congress. She is no Republican
Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Specifically Janus, the two-faced god.
Oldenuff
(582 posts)I can vote for a Democrat who supports Democracy,or I can vote for a "Politician" who will turn on her constituents for a campaign contribution..
It is my opinion that being a Democrat has certain responsibilities,and that includes not voting for the other side.Clinton is the epitome of the "other side".
You fine folks can vote your hearts,just like I can.This is really how I feel.We can hasten America's demise by voting for Trump..or Cruz..or Clinton.
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jwirr
(39,215 posts)Bill represent the DLC type corporate party that managed to reach power in the 90s. Bernie and a lot of us want the party of the people (the FDR branch) back.
You want us to vote for our party to go in the exact opposite direction that we are working for? One step ahead and two steps back.
The Centrist DLC along with the raygun economic movement has almost entirely destroyed the country that existed before 1980. If we let her carry us further down that road we may never get another chance for change.
Those of us who remember that time before 1980 want to go back to those values. And we are thankful that the youth are thinking that way also. They did not experience it but they do not want to follow Hillary and the Rs. Thank God.
Why would we not vote for her - because the DLC theory does not work any better than the raygun theory did. In fact it furthered the raygun theory. Either way we lose again. Like we have lost since 1980 when we started giving in to the rw.
LonePirate
(13,412 posts)It's that simple. Hillary cannot win the GE without Bernie's Dems. Bernie cannot win the GE without Hillary's Dems. To believe otherwise is to believe fanciful, impossible nonsense. Any Bernie Dem who refuses to vote for HRC, if she is the nominee, is effectively giving their vote to the Repubs. Any Repub president won't give a damn about your personal principles or issues.
Do you think a Repub president will raise the minimum wage or deal with income equality issues or address climate change or expand health care or put a liberal on the Supreme Court or push to end Citizens United or stop the massive voter disenfranchisement sweeping this nation or make higher education more affordable and accessible or prevent the continued erosion of women's and minority rights in this country ? If any of those issues are important to you, then you will be voting for the Dem nominee this year, regardless if it is Hillary or Bernie. This purity bullshit is only going to hurt all of us and this country.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)will either. If she wants our votes SHE needs to convince us that she is going to work for us and not the corporations. Unfortunately she has done the one thing that convicts her of lying about that. Big money donations. They own her.
LonePirate
(13,412 posts)If it is more important for you to maintain your purity and conscience than is to prevent a Repub from being elected, then do whatever you need to do. Just prepare to deal with the consequences with a President Trump or President Cruz. Some of us understand the dangers of a Republican president. Others seem to be completely oblivious of the horrors that would entail.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)with the Clintons: welfare reform that would have taken my disabled child and placed her in an institution so I could get a real job if my state had not stepped in; repeal of Glass-Steagall that takes my deposits and gives them to the investment bankers; tough on crime laws that destroyed the families of many of the people living in my Native American community and more.
I do not trust her at all.
Needless to say I don't trust the Rs anymore but not any less either.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Suppresses the Democratic base and energizes the RW nutz who will crawl over broken glass to vote against her.
A primary vote for HRC is a vote for TRUMP in the GE.
LonePirate
(13,412 posts)Bernie suffers a Mondale-like loss if Hillary's wing does not vote for him. It's pretty simple. Chop off 10 points from each state Obama won and the Dem nominee will lose the GE.
Also, every single poll I have seen shows Clinton defeating Trump in the GE. He's the only candidate she does beat. Your claim that she loses to Trump is not based on any sort of reality or fact.
Vincardog
(20,234 posts)LonePirate
(13,412 posts)Vincardog
(20,234 posts)Don't mid if you want to have a different opinion. Everyone has an opinion. But your post is a personal attack.
Bernie wins 80% of the vote in Vermont. He can't do that without democrats independents and some of the republicans.
That is a FACT.
In you own post you admit that " He's the only candidate she does beat" . The polls I have seen has Bernie beating every one by wider margins than HRC.
LonePirate
(13,412 posts)You said a vote for HRC in the primaries is a vote for Trump in the GE. You made no mention of the other candidates. So exactly how is such a vote for HRC a vote for Trump when every poll has her defeating him? Please explain the math or logic in your statement. Where is the actual evidence that supports your claim. Without evidence, your claim is nothing more than wishful thinking or fantasy.
And why wouldn't one of the whitest and most liberal states in the union not turn out in support of one of their own running for President? Elizabeth Warren could have won 80% in VT. The eventual Dem nominee will win VT in the GE. It's places like IA, NH, NV and VA that matter in the GE. It's charitable to say the outcome in those states was a draw. The outcome in MI tomorrow will tell us so much more about the primary race in the weeks to come. If the result is close like one poll this morning suggests, then the primary race will continue. If the result is an HRC blowout like another poll from this morning suggests, then the primary race will effectively end within a couple of weeks if momentum matters.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)honestly, i hadn't even noticed.
Red Oak
(697 posts)redruddyred
(1,615 posts)cheers
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Social media is more effective now than ever at getting an "alternative" message
out, but it's an open question if it's evolved to the point where it can take on M$M
outlets and prevail.
This is one of the things Bernie's 'putting to the test', intentionally or not, with his
campaign.
redruddyred
(1,615 posts)i don't primarily tweet abt politics but i do try to give exposure to points which i find impt.
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)This is so disgusting.
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)discuss Bernie on a regular basis.
olddots
(10,237 posts)Big Pharma , Big Food , Big Oil , Big Real Estate and Big Luxery are not our market segment .Why should they waste the greed made money on people who don't buy their shit ?
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)Orange Butterfly
(205 posts)It is encouraging however that the reports are coming in about millennials. They are far left and embracing socialism, plus interested in participating in politics.
Maybe they will save America.
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)America may be one election away from the end of democracy.
And, really, democracy HAS ended in places like Michigan where the Governor can just declare a town or city insolvent and appoint an administrator to run it, throwing out all the locally elected officials in the meantime. No democracy there.
When TPP passes, we will find out the hard way that the ISDS provisions really DO allow corporations to overturn local and state regulations and/or laws. No democracy there.
Last, since when was the last time ANY of the lizards supposedly representing us in DC even cared about what we want? It's been at least two or three decades when public opinion made any difference at all.
Capitalism has polluted the entire social fabric with its myopic quest for profits at the expense of EVERYTHING ELSE, and the oligarchic parasites will clutch their wealth with old, wrinkled, white, male, liver-spotted hands until the mob arrives with pitchforks and torches.
A guy like Bernie, really, is our last real hope to bring back any semblance of democracy. If Clinton cheats and wins the nomination, because she can't win any other way but lying and cheating, she will lose to Trump, which will usher in a fascist era for us. So we can kiss democracy goodbye then, too.
Bernie is the only one who actually gives a shit about what the people want, and proves it with a 30 year track record of supporting those things.
Orange Butterfly
(205 posts)I am worried that HRC will not be able to win against drumph. The populist goes where the energy is biggest. Even when it makes no sense. People are voting yes with drumph, because it is funny.
Indeed you make very good points about the end of democracy now. I too feel Bernie is our one chance to keep democracy alive as best we can.
I worked for hard for him with my caucus state. I was thrilled that Bernie won in every congressional district and won the state!
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,577 posts)There used to be a Soviet/U.S. car race joke which went something like that. Wording means everything.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)TrueDemVA
(250 posts)Do not get caught up with getting into arguments with the 1% supporters. They are blatantly trying to get you upset. Just be gracious and thank them for their childish responses. I know that most Hillary supporters are nice and not interested in trying to insult others, but there are quite a few that come on to this site just to instigate.
It's not worth your time. You know the ones I am talking about.
LibDemAlways
(15,139 posts)the LA Times and network tv. Needless to say, she hears nothing about Bernie except that he's a "socialist." I talk him up at every opportunity, but I suspect she's firmly in Hillary's corner as someone she knows and feels comfortable with. Suspect that's the same for many elderly and one of the reasons Hillary leads with that demographic.
raouldukelives
(5,178 posts)Our last hurrah for democracy will not die silently. The internet is all the youth have ever known and will ever know. Something those who were raised by the TV cannot quite fathom yet. There is a world outside of Mayberry.
Red Oak
(697 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Bernie Sanders is not subject to a media blackout. The coverage of the primaries on CNN and MSNBC talked about both candidates.
dchill
(38,462 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)After the primary and caucus results, his speech was carried on all the major political networks.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)The media bias against him is the most blatant and pervasive I have ever seen, and the lack of coverage is just one of their techniques.
It has revealed much to me about the current state of our so-called democracy, which requires an informed public to be functional.
We are living in a corporate Deep State that controls the regulatory systems, the media, our elected politicians, and a vast network of para-government career shadow institutions that hold the real power. wake up.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is a preposterous statement.
If you want to argue that there is bias against him on the major networks, then that is a more reasonable argument.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)You can argue the blackout word if you so desire. I didn't use it, it's more of a brown-out with heavy bias against when he is even mentioned. I still (regrettably) watch a lot of MSM news and politics, and it's probably the most biased campaign coverage I've ever seen, pro-Hillary, pro-Trump, anti-Bernie.
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)End of democracy. No such thing as journalism on cable. NBC evening news did cover it. Please! Boycott cable. Enjoying TYT lots.
PatrickforO
(14,566 posts)The funny thing is that most Bernie supporters don't watch cable TV. They don't watch MSNBC or CNN. They get their news online.
And they comment on that news. They fact check that news. And if the news isn't true, they flame it.
Sadly for the corporate media, DNC and Hillary Clinton, the mainstream media NO LONGER CONTROLS THE MESSAGE.
WE DO.
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)We are seeing the lasts gasps of the corporate media. Their audience is dying and thus their gravy train of easily duped teevee boomers. For gen x and millennials it can't come fast enough.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)Help me out. What are you seeing?
Yuugal
(2,281 posts)I don't know of anyone on my block younger than me that hasn't cut the cord yet. Why would I subject myself to some rich entitled asshole like tweety or rachel or whatever bobble-head they put up to talk down my values, and then sit through 20 min of commercials an hour as well?
Cable lost 10% of their viewers last year. Just last year! The big money people may swing the nom for hiLlARy this time but their days are numbered. Younger people watch stuff like debates but that is online or on their device and they leave and go right back into their reddit groups or facebook or twitter, etc.
Most oldsters just don't get the movement and never will because they have theirs already and just want us to pad their filthy nests until they die comfortably, even if they have to ship every last job overseas to make that affordable for them. Sure, the 3% of that gen that were the real deal are still active and god bless em, but that generation will go down as the most short-sighted, selfish generation in history. The took a brand new car of an economy and drove it right off a cliff for short term profits. They have lived their charmed life by selling their kids, parents, and the environment down the river.
Now they want me to line up and support the money candidate instead of the real deal. Not gonna happen for me and my kids, and from what I see and hear......and I'm in NY, this is gonna be a horrible election for the circle-jerk D ranch.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)But I think you give the elderly, at least a large portion of them, the short shrift. I'm over 60, and understand the movement very well, though I support Hillary. As a college student, I sued my state university on a civil rights issue and actually won. The movement is great, and I hope it will continue. I just don't think that Bernie is the one to lead it as president.
Thanks!
The boomers, the most destructive generation (I say sadly, since I am among them), are flocking to vote neocon/corporate/bullshit (HRC). Fortunately they are dying off, several million per year. It might take a few years, but the tide WILL turn. This is the beginning. OWS & Bernie are the early markers of the sea change.
Funnily enough, as you point out the boomers are in their old-fashioned MSM matrix and cannot comprehend the great change that is occurring. Most of them will go to their graves, still plugged in to the corporate media, out of touch with the reality of the revolutionary change afoot. Too bad. A whole generation, wasted and fantastically wasteful.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Of control. Am afraid we will need to understand ersatz media
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)And that means more advertising revenue.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)It was "there's a debate between the two democratic candidates" followed by video of Bill Clinton, then video of Chelsea Clinton. Nothing of Bernie's rallies despite them being exponentially larger than any audience Bill or Chelsea had.
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)Watch what happens when Hillary takes Michigan, Ohio, Illinois and Florida in the next 8 days. The cameras will go away.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)that both political parties are completely corrupt, truly representing only the interests of the elite and wealthy power brokers.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Not a conspiracy. It takes time, people and resources to implement a media strategy. Coverage just doesn't happen because a bunch of people on DU want it to.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)How would you feel -- as a Clinton supporter -- if she had just won THREE STATES (while Bernie
had just won one) and all the media could talk about was the one state Bernie carried, barely
mentioning a 3-state-win?
I think if you're honest with yourself, you have to admit you'd be pissed. I don't care if you call
it a conspiracy or simply call it corporate media "protecting their own" favored establishment
candidate.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)If the Sanders team is sitting around bemoaning a conspiracy they're not out there doing the heavy lifting that comes with communications.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)including the M$M. <-- So duh .. our M$M would rather not hear about it or report it to the public.
There's nothing 'conspiratorial' about this observation, but I know that's your Hillarian
talking point to distract anyone from noticing, so I don't blame you for sticking to that,
esp. since it's all you got.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Will you please send them my way? I never received a copy and I'm curious to know what they are.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)I guess she and Bill were not capable of doing the heavy lifting that comes with communications
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Are you freaking kidding me?
Politicub
(12,165 posts)And as a Hillary supporter, I hope the Sanders team shares your view of communications strategy.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)Must be the new media, if a candidate wins he needs to set up his own papers et al? I won't stop you as to how ridiculous this sounds. Don't worry, our major media has entered Soviet era level of propaganda.
Once we leave this nightmare, historians will not be kind to the Clintons, among many others
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)This is the campaign, but trump farts it is breaking news.
Historians are not going to be kind to Bill Clinton and the 1996 Telecom Act
Red Oak
(697 posts)In retrospect, just another one of Bill Clinton's F-ups.
History will regard him as a horrible President.
NAFTA, CAFTA, China WTO, Bank dereg, The Telecom Act (fairness doctrine)
Damn - there goes the middle class
No wonder Hillary didn't want to talk about "the 90's" in the debate last night.
Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)As if we can't find out without them. Fuck them. They will lose in the end.
jwmiller
(3 posts)I heard her say on NPR this morning that there was no path for the Sanders nomination. No explanation, nothing. I must be missing something.
Red Oak
(697 posts)The media fix is in.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)we are supposed to vote for their candidate so they can continue to lie to us.
They (DNC, Clinton and the media) have absolutely no respect for the people they consider to be stupid.
Well the only time I have really been stupid was in the 90s when I voted for Bill twice.
Fla Dem
(23,620 posts)There are plenty more, but I got tired doing your research for you.
Bernie Sanders Wins Maine Democratic Caucuses
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-democratic-caucuses/story?id=37442580
Bernie Sanders wins Maine Democratic caucuses
http://nypost.com/2016/03/06/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-democratic-caucuses/
Bernie Sanders Wins Maine Caucuses, NBC News Projects
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-caucuses-nbc-news-projects-n533001
Bernie Sanders Wins The Maine Caucuses
http://www.npr.org/2016/03/06/469432610/bernie-sanders-wins-maine-caucuses
Bernie Sanders sweeps to victory in Maine Democratic caucus
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-sweeps-to-victory-in-maine-democratic-caucus-election-2016/
Sanders makes history with New Hampshire landslide
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/sanders-makes-history-new-hampshire-landslide
Bernie's bounce-back weekend
The Vermont senator could win three of the four states voting this weekend, which would give him some desperately needed momentum.
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/three-dem-caucuses-bode-well-for-bernie-220202
Bernie Sanders feels the love in Vermont
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/super-tuesday-2016-bernie-sanders-feels-the-love-in-vermont/
Bernie Sanders' campaign predicts success in next contests
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/bernie-sanders-campaign-predicts-success-in-next-contests/
Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Win in New Hampshire Primary
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/us/politics/new-hampshire-primary.html?_r=0
Bernie Sanders on Meet The Press
http://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/bernie-sanders-is-not-a-capitalist-542522435717
Bernie Sanders Stands his Ground
http://www.nbcnews.com/video/sanders-to-clinton-can-i-finish-please-638337091617
Red Oak
(697 posts)None.
My point exactly. Thanks for showing it so clearly.
Fla Dem
(23,620 posts)Let's see the front pages of all the news papers. Frankly most of them today are about Nancy Reagan's death. If anyone is on any front pages it's Trump. Show me the proof that HRC is getting more front page coverage than BS.
dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)but then you'd find that your point is the oppositie of reality.
Fla Dem
(23,620 posts)dreamnightwind
(4,775 posts)You can prove anything with a few anecdotal links, when they aren't put into perspective and analyzed against alternative possibilities.
Here's a pretty good article about it from way back in January by ex-DUer David Swanson:
http://ahtribune.com/us/2016-election/405-bernie-v-media.html?can_id=&source=email-bernie-v-media&email_referrer=bernie-v-media&email_subject=bernie-v-media&link_id=0&nomobile=1&demo=1
And yet, Bernie polls better against Donald Trump (now that a pollster finally asked that question and released the results) than does Hillary Clinton. And Bernie is gradually catching up to Clinton in polls of Democrats. If he wins New Hampshire (very likely) and Iowa (pretty likely), all sorts of bandwagon jumpers could switch their support to him, and uninspired voters become inspired to vote in the next several primary states, snowballing the magical force of "momentum" into an upset victory with great media ratings, even if horrifying political implications from the point of view of major media outlets' corporate owners.
According to Ted Rall, we are seeing the failure of propaganda: "Everyone in a position to block Sanders' campaign did everything they could to sabotage him. ...
Nitram
(22,776 posts)I don't watch TV, but I read an excellent newspaper, listen to NPR, BBC and find plentiful and fair coverage of Bernie there. You guys sound just like the right complaining that all the media have a liberal bias, except you're saying all the media have an anti-Bernie bias. I don't see it, and wish ya'll would stop whining.
w4rma
(31,700 posts)And its very very very telling about what they really think of authoritarianism. From what I've seen Clinton attracts folks who favor authoritarianism.
Nitram
(22,776 posts)"From what I've seen Clinton attracts folks who favor authoritarianism."
That's like saying, "From what I've seen, Sanders attracts folks who engage in magical thinking."
w4rma
(31,700 posts)it seems. Or should I read your statement that is protecting corporate propaganda and censorship as something else?
MaeScott
(878 posts)Blocking Sanders and promoting Clinton.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)As much as they say it is ratings
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Blame the media all you want. That's not going to get you anywhere, though.
Red Oak
(697 posts)Hahahaha.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)The weekend before this last one, there were 80 "Marches for Bernie" all over the country, involving thousands of people and there was NO media coverage.
Can you imagine if Trump or Clinton had had 80 marches for them? They'd be out there interviewing them all day long.
kstewart33
(6,551 posts)I had no trouble reading about the Maine victory this AM on the web. I didn't expect it to receive as much coverage as other wins because: 1) it's in Bernie's backyard; 2) the win was expected (the media reports surprises far more so); and 3) Maine is a small state with not that many delegates.
Hillary hasn't even visited Maine since last September, for geez sake. It really wasn't news that Bernie won big, but still there was coverage.
If Bernie wins Michigan, you can beat the media will be all over it. Big state, big delegates, and a big upset.
emulatorloo
(44,096 posts)salinsky
(1,065 posts)... anymore than there is for Hillary, or Cruz, or Marco, or Kasich.
The Trumpster Fire is just sucking up all the oxygen in the room.
He gets the clicks, and that's all the MSM cares about.
They've admitted as much.
spyker29
(89 posts)It will make her even more effective as President
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)That is what you are watching. And manufacturing of consent. Historians will not be kind
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,328 posts)Thanks for the thread, Red Oak.
jillan
(39,451 posts)Joan Walsh, Joy Reid and Kristen Welker.
It was a Bernie bashing party! Not one surrogate to speak for Bernie.
Bernie was so mean.
I watched for 5 minutes and turned on a movie instead.
That said - CNN so much better. They have been having Ben Jealous on a lot
questionseverything
(9,646 posts)while watching the debate i was also on puter so i knew he had won but there was never a scroll across the bottom announcing his win
cnn maybe slightly better but not much
if we had actually news anymore this would be a big deal
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511435306
she is still taking private for profit prison money
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)Because CNN is the most trusted name in news, or something like that.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)think
(11,641 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)election process. This is not the spirit of America's Democracy.
This is criminal activity that is being condoned by people who feel that they are not subject to U.S. Laws.
LisaM
(27,800 posts)When Hillary won in Louisiana, I likewise had to dig around for the results.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)FloridaBlues
(4,007 posts)That's not why he's losing the race
G_j
(40,366 posts)to prevent Sanders from getting the nomination.
But hey, these are the same people who brought us
the Iraq invasion etc. etc.