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Boeing made nearly 69 BILLION dollars off Hillary's Iraq war. (Original Post) ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 OP
Why bear any risk yourself when you can socialize the risk and just... PoliticAverse Mar 2016 #1
Hillary's Iraq war. All by herself. Check it out. Bernie voted yes for new dollars and troops. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #2
Hillary sent them there. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #4
As SOS vdogg Mar 2016 #27
+ 10000000000 nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #32
"Hillary's Iraq war"??!!!! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #3
Mass death and illegal war are hilarious..... ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #5
No, but rank bullshit wrapped in hysteria surely tickles my funnybone! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #11
Glad you find it funny. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #12
The consequences of calling Iraq "Hillary's War"? What were the consequences of that? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #14
LOL! Jitter65 Mar 2016 #33
Sure. She was President then, wasn't she? MineralMan Mar 2016 #6
Oh now she was just a little ol' senator who didn't know better? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #7
I did not say or imply that. MineralMan Mar 2016 #9
Seems like it would have been a great opportunity to prove her decision making bonafides..... ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #10
What's Russ doing these days? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #13
Getting ready to be a US Senator again....? ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #16
That would be great. He's been languishing in obscurity. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #18
He's leading by pretty big numbers..... ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #22
Running for the Senate again. MineralMan Mar 2016 #17
Likewise. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #19
Note that at the time of IWR Wellstone was in a tight race dflprincess Mar 2016 #36
Those who voted for the IWR did so because they thought it was politically expedient dflprincess Mar 2016 #37
Freedom is Slavery, War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength. The maxims of the Third Way imo VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #8
The Democratic Party's platform is completely different than it used to be. Sad. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #20
Once upon a time, VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #21
I disagree. ForgoTheConsequence Mar 2016 #23
Then why haven't we learned from our mistakes? nt VulgarPoet Mar 2016 #28
You should actually read the article Progressive dog Mar 2016 #24
Boeing gutted WA Boeing union worker's pensions. They blackmailed them by threatening liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #26
yet bernie continues to vote yes to fund the endless killing long as he gets jets in Vermont nt msongs Mar 2016 #25
Hahaha, Hillary's Iraq War??? giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #29
It was a mutually beneficial relationship Jarqui Mar 2016 #30
I wonder how much tax they paid on the 69 billion. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #31
And Bernie is running an "honest" campaign? itsrobert Mar 2016 #34
WikiLeaks showed State was Boeing sales arm. Octafish Mar 2016 #35

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
4. Hillary sent them there.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:17 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie made sure they had what they needed after they were sent there. Would you prefer that American soldiers go hungry and not have armor? Seems like that's what you're advocating.......

vdogg

(1,384 posts)
27. As SOS
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:49 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary had no authority to send any troops anywhere. Obama and Bush had total legal authority in this regard, however Sec Defense has some capacity to mobilize troops in emergency situations.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
6. Sure. She was President then, wasn't she?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:19 PM
Mar 2016

Wait...what? No? OK, never mind. She was just one Senator out of many who voted that way.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
9. I did not say or imply that.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:23 PM
Mar 2016

She was a Senator. She voted for the IWR. So did many of her Democratic colleagues. I remember that. It is not "her" war, however. Not by any definition that makes any sense.

She voted to approve GWB's false statements to justify it. I remember the mood of this country, although I was opposed to any such Middle East invasion. I also understand exactly why it happened.

Hillary's vote was a mistake, as she recognizes and admits.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
10. Seems like it would have been a great opportunity to prove her decision making bonafides.....
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

She failed the test, hundreds of thousands died, arms manufacturers (including gun makers) made billions, and she continued to sell Iraq as a great business opportunity when she was in the State Department (to Clinton Foundation donors).





What does Hillary stand for?

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
16. Getting ready to be a US Senator again....?
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

Are you implying that he should have voted for the Iraq war and Patriot Act in order to stay in office? His risked a lot, it's what people with strong moral backbones do, it's what EFFECTIVE leadership does.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/senate/wi/wisconsin_senate_johnson_vs_feingold-3740.html

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
36. Note that at the time of IWR Wellstone was in a tight race
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:26 PM
Mar 2016

and was told a "no" vote would end any chance of his being reelected. Having learned from his awful DOMA vote (which he regretted) and deciding he'd rather be able to "live with himself" (his words), he voted no.

And took a jump in the polls.

It was not Feingold's IWR vote that cost him the election in 2010.

dflprincess

(28,075 posts)
37. Those who voted for the IWR did so because they thought it was politically expedient
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:30 PM
Mar 2016

not because they believed Bush (and anyone who was dumb enough to fall for his lies, is too stupid to hold public office).

Hillary and the others who supported this sent other people's kids to die for the sake of their own careers and the profits of their campaign "contributors".

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
8. Freedom is Slavery, War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength. The maxims of the Third Way imo
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:20 PM
Mar 2016
The war, therefore if we judge it by the standards of previous wars, is merely an imposture. It is like the battles between certain ruminant animals whose horns are incapable of hurting one another. But though it is unreal it is not meaningless. It eats up the surplus of consumable goods, and it helps to preserve the special mental atmosphere that the hierarchical society needs. War, it will be seen, is now a purely internal affair. In the past, the ruling groups of all countries, although they might recognize their common interest and therefore limit the destructiveness of war, did fight against one another, and the victor always plundered the vanquished. In our own day they are not fighting against one another at all. The war is waged by each ruling group against its own subjects, and the object of the war is not to make or prevent conquests of territory, but to keep the structure of society intact. The very word "war," therefore, has become misleading. It would probably be accurate to say that by becoming continuous war has ceased to exist. The peculiar pressure that is exerted on human beings between the Neolithic Age and the early twentieth century has disappeared and has been replaced by something quite different. The effect would be much the same if the three superstates, instead of fighting one another, should agree to live in perpetual peace, each inviolate within its own boundaries. For in that case each would still be a self-contained universe, freed forever from the sobering influence of external danger. A peace that was truly permanent would be the same as a permanent war. This--although the vast majority of Party members understand it only in a shallower sense--is the inner meaning of the Party slogan: WAR IS PEACE.”


This is our eventual future. For right now, at the behest of intervention supporting so-called "Democrats", we're still fucking up lesser established countries, but soon enough, the military will just be propagandist fodder. And I see it coming a mile off.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
15. The Democratic Party's platform is completely different than it used to be. Sad.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

That is not a party I can be a part of.

Response to liberal_at_heart (Reply #15)

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
21. Once upon a time,
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:40 PM
Mar 2016

Democrats didn't support tearing down American privacy. Democrats didn't support military interventions. Democrats didn't support coups to put in totalitarian regimes.

And yet, this is everything we're supposed to support as "Democrats". Sure, I'll hold my nose and vote for Hillary if absolutely necessary, but afterwards? I'm leaving the party, and praying to every god and goddess my altar venerates that my knee injury comes back, because that'll likely start the process for a medical separation.

ForgoTheConsequence

(4,868 posts)
23. I disagree.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:44 PM
Mar 2016

JFK supported coups, FDR didn't give a shit about the privacy rights of Japanese Americans, Lyndon Johnson and Vietnam is a dark spot on American history, even Jimmy Carter got his hands dirty.

Progressive dog

(6,900 posts)
24. You should actually read the article
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:44 PM
Mar 2016

The $69 Billion is total sales--sales not profits. Gross profits were $4 billion. Arms sales were $38 billion in 2011 and $21.5 billion were from US government contracts (which probably includes contracts other than military). They also employed 171,700 people. I don't understand why Bernie thinks that it is bad to keep those jobs here.

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
26. Boeing gutted WA Boeing union worker's pensions. They blackmailed them by threatening
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 03:47 PM
Mar 2016

to take the plant to another state. Boeing can suck it as far as I'm concerned.

Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
30. It was a mutually beneficial relationship
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 04:13 PM
Mar 2016

Boeing got government contracts, sold $4 billion in arms to Russia, 84 F-15s plus some choppers to Saudi Arabia, etc and the Clinton Foundation got 7 digit contributions from Boeing.

Both sides appear to have done very well in this arrangement.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
35. WikiLeaks showed State was Boeing sales arm.
Mon Mar 7, 2016, 11:20 PM
Mar 2016
One of WikiLeaks' greatest achievements has been to expose the exorbitant amount of influence that multinational corporations have over Washington's diplomacy.

By Rania Khalek / AlterNet June 21, 2011

One of the most significant scourges paralyzing our democracy is the merger of corporate power with elected and appointed government officials at the highest levels of office. Influence has a steep price-tag in American politics where politicians are bought and paid for with ever increasing campaign contributions from big business, essentially drowning out any and all voices advocating on behalf of the public interest.

Millions of dollars in campaign funding flooding Washington's halls of power combined with tens of thousands of high-paid corporate lobbyists and a never-ending revolving door that allows corporate executives to shuffle between the public and private sectors has blurred the line between government agencies and private corporations.

This corporate dominance over government affairs helps to explain why we are plagued by a health-care system that lines the pockets of industry executives to the detriment of the sick; a war industry that causes insurmountable death and destruction to enrich weapons-makers and defense contractors; and a financial sector that violates the working class and poor to dole out billions of dollars in bonuses to Wall Street CEO's.

The implications of this rapidly growing corporatism reach far beyond our borders and into the realm of American diplomacy, as in one case where efforts by US diplomats forced the minimum wage for beleaguered Haitian workers to remain below sweatshop levels.

In this context of corporate government corruption, one of WikiLeaks' greatest achievements has been to expose the exorbitant amount of influence that multinational corporations have over Washington's diplomacy. Many of the WikiLeaks US embassy cables reveal the naked intervention by our ambassadorial staff in the business of foreign countries on behalf of US corporations. From mining companies in Peru to pharmaceutical companies in Ecuador, one WikiLeaks embassy cable after the next illuminates a pattern of US diplomats shilling for corporate interests abroad in the most underhanded and sleazy ways imaginable.

While the merger of corporate and government power isn't exactly breaking news, it is one of the most critical yet under-reported issues of our time. And WikiLeaks has given us an inside look at the inner-workings of this corporate-government collusion, often operating at the highest levels of power. It is crystal clear that it's standard operating procedure for US government officials to moonlight as corporate stooges. Thanks to WikiLeaks, here are five instances that display the lengths to which Washington is willing to go to protect and promote US corporations around the world.

1. US officials work as salespeople for Boeing. The merger of state and corporate power is striking in a slew of cables detailing US State Department officials acting as marketing agents on behalf of one lucky corporation. Earlier this year the New York Times revealed details about how US diplomats have actively promoted the sale of commercial jets built by the US company Boeing.

CONTINUED...

http://www.alternet.org/story/151370/5_wikileaks_revelations_exposing_the_rapidly_growing_corporatism_dominating_american_diplomacy_abroad

This got dropped off the Corporate Owned News radar, so on it goes.
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