when you tell people you don't want their votes

[ibegurpard]

They're probably going to believe you.

[giftedgirl77]

1. What about telling people their votes shouldn't count or that as

a minority we must be ignorant or have a mental disorder bc of our voting preference?

[ibegurpard]

3. So you know how it feels

Not smart is it?

[giftedgirl77]

4. I have no problem with the hateful, spoiled brats that claim to

be leaving to do so. They are one in the same.

[ibegurpard]

7. got it

Votes not wanted.
Carry on.

[Bubzer]

31. Yeah...wash, rinse, repeat... The cycle of hilly hypocrisy continues unabated.

[TM99]

8. As long as we are the right kind

of minority and are voting for Clinton, we are cool, right?

[Vincardog]

2. I do

[arcane1]

5. Indeed, it's never good to believe votes should be owed, not earned.

It tends to affect enthusiasm.

[CoffeeCat]

6. I've seen several of these threads

Some of them arguing that we're a small portion of the Democratic Party. We're insignificant.

Judging from Hillary Clinton's far-right foreign policies and actions; as well as her entrenched Wall Street/corporate dalliances, I'm not surprised. She's not interested in the base of the Democratic Party.

Good of her supporters to carry that "we don't need you" message for her.

At least we all know where we stand.

[ibegurpard]

9. The Democratic Party is practically BEGGING

For blue collar working class voters to leave the party.

[dreamnightwind]

18. Their job is to make sure the left has nowhere else to go

so they can triangulate us into supporting another corporatist DLC Dem when we have an excellent publicly funded candidate who polls better against the Republican candidates.

Once that work is done, they can assume office and set about the work of passing more traitorous trade deals, use our military all over the planet to advance corporate access to natural resources and to cheap disempowered labor pools, and reducing this country's already pathetic social safety net, privatizing the parts they don't eliminate.

The DLC wing of our party is more invested in success of wealthy capitalists than they are in the success of the Democratic Party. As a result, many former Democrats are already disaffected and have left the party, lumped into the what is now, incredibly, the largest voting bloc in the country, independents who have figured out that both major parties are wholly owned subsidiaries of Oligarchs Inc.

Here is where we stand:

[ibegurpard]

10. consider this

"One might fear a growing, reactionary backlash among the white working class, young and old, as they find themselves contending with an increasingly diverse society. This is possible but data from a 2013 CAP/PolicyLink/Latino Decisions poll suggest that the white working class is far less resistant to diversity than generally supposed."

http://thedemocraticstrategist-roundtables.com/?page_id=60

The working class is not hostile to many so-called "social issues" but they are going to respond to those who acknowledge their disenfranchisement. Can Democrats win with only the coalitions they are banking on? Perhaps but as article states we are paying the price in off year elections.

[oasis]

11. So-called Democrats who don't mind a GOP SCOTUS are not worth coaxing. nt

[Sivart]

12. Blaming folks for things that havent even happened yet......

Seriously, what has happened to the people at this place??

(Its rhetorical)

[oasis]

13. Don't expect things to get better around here until mid-March.

[ibegurpard]

14. votes not wanted

You'll get the SCOTUS you're afraid of with that.

[oasis]

15. I'm not afraid of a "rebooted" Scalia SCOTUS. That 30 year

ordeal will be plopped on the doorstep of lefty malcontents who want to take their ball and go home.

Btw, with a GOP win in 2016, you can kiss any hope of any future "revolution" goodbye.

[ibegurpard]

17. You'll have to live with it too

As will I. And yet you continue to cheer on the exodus of the working class while the Republican vote grows exponentially with every primary.
Who's the elitist privileged one again?

[oasis]

19. I'm not "cheering on" their going, nor kissing their asses to stay.

[Cali_Democrat]

16. Exactly. nt

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. And, then blame the left when their centrist candidate loses.

[BainsBane]

24. The "left"

who prefers the right wing candidate, who care so little about the issues they espouse that they threaten out of spite to ensure that a megalomaniac billionaire become President because the majority of Americans refused to vote as they are told.

Clearly we have very different ideas of what constitutes leftism.

[ibegurpard]

26. I'm not talking about "the left"

I'm talking about the white working class blue collar voters who are VOTING like hell while our primary turnout is anemic. You think that's something to sneer at? They lost us the House, the Senate, most state legislatures and governorships while the Obama coalition didn't show up. And here comes Hillary to drive a racial wedge right into the heart of the party to ensure her nomination. What's the path to victory in November? You think fear of Republicans is going to win the day this time? It has been an abject failure and it is NOT what won for Obama.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

30. Nonsense.

I will vote for the most progressive candidate on my ballot if Bernie loses.

I will not waste my vote on the "lesser of two evils" out of fear of Trump.

[nashville_brook]

28. SOP of the DCCC, DNC and DSCC.

[BainsBane]

21. We've had thread and after thread threatening

People to vote for Sanders, or else people will elect Donald Trump. I don't know what you saw, but I can understand how someone might respond to that in anger. I frankly don't see the point of those threads or the ones insisting people fall in line behind Clinton. I mean, do the people insisting we better vote as they tell us actually think that people are going to change their votes because a minority of voters are angry that their candidate trails by 1.5 million votes? Even if some of the people reading those demands did change their votes, it wouldn't begin to enable Sanders to catch up.

I believe people are going to support who they support, whether in the primary or the general election. It would not surprise me to see some Sanders supporters back Trump, but I believe most Democrats and independents prefer a competent, non-bigot as president. For those that don't, they obviously have a very different set of values. Nothing I can do about that. I won't be telling people I don't want their votes, but nor will I be pleading with anyone. All I can do is present issues to undecided voters and work on getting supporters to the polls, the same as in any election.

[ibegurpard]

23. maybe you should start listening

People don't like Hillary Clinton for reasons much less simplistic than misogyny and racism.

[Agschmid]

22. When you listen to anonymous posters on the Internet...

And make your decisions based on what they say...

[ibegurpard]

25. The Clinton campaign is taking Trump very seriously

They know what's going on.

[alarimer]

27. How about picking a candidate before half the country has even voted?

That's pretty unfair.

[ibegurpard]

29. Well yeah

And super delegates...
Doesn't that violate the principle of one person one vote?
They already get to vote in their primaries or caucuses.