2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis got good response in the BS group, so I thought I would share with all:
monmouth4
(9,664 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)magical thyme
(14,881 posts)Someplace where she can use her deep understanding of the financial crisis to rein in Wall Street and/or punish the banksters.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Hoppy
(3,595 posts)We got that straight from the horse's as-- I mean Mitch McConnell.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)Come Bernie's and Trump's nomination they'll let Obama's MOTR's nominee be the 9th Justice Cause he'll get an anti Nazi of Scalia's bent through
angstlessk
(11,862 posts)Being a part of the presidents inner circle ends with said president.
ladjf
(17,320 posts)JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)long and leisurely get-aways with her many, many friends in the banking industry.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Response to monmouth4 (Reply #1)
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RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)I don't he would get along with the queen either.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)right?
I am SOOOOOO feeling the Bern!!!
#NotMeUs
valerief
(53,235 posts)lostnfound
(16,138 posts)Cordy
(82 posts)I was trying to figure out why he is running on a Democratic ticket instead of an Independent or socialist?
tazkcmo
(7,286 posts)Not a big surprise. He's only been around since the 80's. He gave an speech declaring his candidacy and did several interviews before that explaining why he ran as Democrat. You should check it out but the short version is so he didn't split the GE vote and hand the GOP a victory.
WHEN CRABS ROAR
(3,813 posts)he is now.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)For far too long in this country, we've been conditioned to vote based on what we're afraid of or what we're against instead of what we aspire to and what we are for.
I want to aspire to a more just, equitable, and compassionate America.
And I'm for Bernie.
Ford_Prefect
(7,821 posts)If the Obama campaigns proved anything it was that positive goals and responses are what motivates most Democratic voters. The only thing fear tends to generate in democrats is lowered voting numbers, which seems to be the DNC plan for the primaries.
God help us if they win the nomination. It has been clear for some time that they will not help traditional democrats. That may result in fewer voters at a time when the GOP faithful are highly motivated. I do not advocate for fewer voters but I cannot help but observe that people tend vote their own self interest and I don't see that many independent voters or traditional democrats around here motivated to vote for the Party of the 1% one more time.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)and we really, really want him to win.
Hillary just isn't what we want.
There is a reason that the American people are so enthusiastic about, on the Democratic side, Bernie, and on the Republican side, Trump.
Trump (and I'm sorry to give him a plug on DU, but follow my argument please) wrote a book that he named "The Art of the Deal."
Americans, both Republicans and Democrats at the grass roots, are very, very, very, very unhappy about the deal that our Republicans and Democrats in Congress and in the White House since Reagan have been making for us in the world and in dealings with big business, the multinationals.
We are voting in large numbers for those candidates who promise to fight harder for us and to negotiate and impose better deals that give us a fair break.
We are sick and tired of the politicians (and Hillary is one) who are too close to Wall Street, too close to those that we perceive as having cheated us of our birthright and our human rights (Bernie is right about healthcare being a human right; if you doubt it read the original Hippocratic Oath) and our prosperity -- that is the prosperity that helps the common person, i.e., most of us.
We want jobs, economic fairness and we don't like the deals that Congress and people like Hillary foist upon us. This is especially true with matters concerning trade and the environment.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Bernie will likely lose big is MISS and likely lose in MICH today.
And I don't see Bernie winning any of the states on March 15.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)now showing signs of splintering.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)So by that logic, Bernie WILL NOT win the nomination, correct? Since he probably doesn't have enough time for the party to splinter more, correct?
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)All I know is some of us have voted Democratic all our adult lives and are just now leaving the party. It may take a few more years for the Democratic party to fall apart as fully as the Republican party has. But both parties are splintering. 40% of Americans now consider themselves Independent. If Bernie doesn't win, it is only a matter of time before someone like Bernie wins.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)the MSM has basically said as little as possible about Bernie. If he got the press coverage that Clinton or ANY of the RepubliCLOWN candidates have been getting, far more folks would vote for him.
I think Bernie's gotten adequate coverage, and I don't believe that's the reason why he's not winning.
RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)You just "think?" Check out the mainstream media for the past year then tell me that again.
If you still believe it, I have a bridge for sale for you very cheap!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)but that is not the reason why he's not winning. His appeal is limited, he's a tough sell and he has a demographics problem. He has a strong and passionate base, but it's not enough to win the nomination.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)her nationally. Everywhere he goes when people hear about him the gap between her support and his support shrinks.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)But he still has limited appeal and problems attracting non-white voters. This is an issue during a primary. He will not win the nomination if these problems persist.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)Hillary had over a 20 point lead over Bernie in Michigan. That gap has been eliminated much like it has been eliminated in many other states.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)has Bernie gotten the coverage the others have. That's the amazing thing about his candidacy--his supporters realize this media blackout and go for him anyway.
Kall
(615 posts)5 until lately, and 3 now. None of whom are towering figures in the Republican Party. It's a completely different dynamic.
Be that as it may, if he gets to a general election, he'll have more of a case against Hillary on Iraq, trade, and money in politics than some people like to think. As I think the primaries are demonstrating, those things cut across party lines.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)Trump and Hi11ary get more coverage by the M$M in ONE minute than Bernie gets in a day, even now. And, the Clinton juggernaut is relentless, particularly when it comes to promoting Hi11ary in whatever manner that makes her palatable and "electable." This is not a secret, nor is it surprising.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)But if you look at the votes in the rural areas of Michigan, you will see Bernie winning by margins of 20 points.
So there is a split in the Democratic Party.
Bernie won -- lost in Detroit, but did well most everywhere else.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)You may be surprised.
I know Nate Silver was.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)have their thumb on the scale, minimizing media coverage, debate audiences, etc. TPTB do NOT want a Sanders presidency. Add to that universal name recognition (a good news/bad news thing in the GE) for Hillary and of course it is an uphill climb.
But Bernie didn't lose in Michigan did he?
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)lostnfound
(16,138 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)bobbobbins01
(1,681 posts)Hillary just happens to be the epitome of what he speaks out against in the Democratic party. In many ways she is a blessing because the prime example is right there running against him.
Gary 50
(381 posts)I think the growing unease with Hillary is a large factor in Bernie's surge. I have been a Bernie fan for many years, and have called him my favorite senator since I got to know him through the Thom Hartman show's lunch (or brunch?) with Bernie. Hillary I had mixed feelings about but I mostly liked her. But she has proven herself to be an awful candidate. Her Rovian tactics alone disqualify her for the presidency. She lies, a lot. She changes her positions so often that you can find her making statements on both sides of just about every issue, so you never know where she stands today. Her coziness with wall street, accepting millions of dollars from them in both campaign contributions and speaking fees and then trying to tell us that all that money doesn't have an influence on her is impossible for any rational human being to believe. Her ridiculous and completely absurd stonewalling on the content of those speeches to wall street is indefensible. If there was nothing incriminating in those speeches why would she refuse to release them? She has obviously made the calculation that it is better for people to think the worst than to release them and confirm it. Bernie is a great candidate who can stand on his record is Robert Reich's point but Hillary's baggage is, to me at least, an equal part of the equation.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Certainly the typical Beltway cocktail party swills Clinton hate with their olive in their martini.
longship
(40,416 posts)This is regardless that I am a strong Bernie supporter. But if one defends the DU TOS in the Bernie group, one gets banned.
That is why I want nothing to do with that group.
BTW, I drove almost 15 miles around the national forest here to vote for Bernie in the MI primary. It was worth the effort.
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)The lockstep mentality is way out of hand in both groups this year.
longship
(40,416 posts)But this absolutely nothing to do with my political position -- to support Bernie Sanders in the primary election. Instead, it has to do with my unwavering support for the Democratic Party, which the Bernie Sanders group will not abide. For shame on them for taking that tack.
This forum is not Bernie central. It is Democratic Underground, a partisan Web site. If one disagrees with that, one does not have to post here. A measure of this is that the only group I have on ignore is the Bernie Sanders group.
Their hosts are not working in their best interests.
Screw them.
on edit: I support DU and the Democratic Party. I also support Bernie Sanders. But when DUers state that if Bernie does not achieve the nomination that they will not vote for the Democratic nominee, we part ways. Apparently the Bernie Sanders group differs in that opinion. Screw them!
longship
(40,416 posts)Since I am still allowed to do so.
But, I don't like to stir the pot much these days. I figure that we are all in this together. Apparently the utter fools in the Bernie Sanders group who support PPR'd posters who overtly violate the DU TOS disagree.
That is not a group that I want to be a member.
Regardless, I will support and vote for Bernie Sanders in spite of the jackasses here. I will also support and vote for the Democratic nominee no matter who it is. I think that is what my banning from the Bernie group is about. They want to openly flaunt the DU TOS and will ban anybody who supports it never considering that many Bernie supporters just want to see the best Democrat win and the alternative is too horrible to consider.
If one expresses that in the Bernie group, BAM! Banned!
Fuck em!
Fumesucker
(45,851 posts)Yeah, that got me banned from there, my first and only post in that group.
And I haven't posted at all in the Sanders group.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)BYE!
ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)The evidence is in the amount of Negative OP's about Hillary says something different.
Duval
(4,280 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)pat_k
(9,313 posts)kgnu_fan
(3,021 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)Octafish
(55,745 posts)If they'd let me, it'd be millions.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Ivan Kaputski
(528 posts)renate
(13,776 posts)pacalo
(24,721 posts)I like everything about Bernie.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Thank you Robert!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)deutsey
(20,166 posts)eggman67
(837 posts)Because they cannot wrap their heads around the fact that it's Bernie's message that's resonating with people.
They're so deeply entrenched in their pit of cynicism, that they can no longer process simple truths. There is hope. These things they consider undoable can be done. America can be fixed.
Feel the bern!
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)tazkcmo
(7,286 posts)It's ALL about Hillary! It's Her turn, dang it! She's earned it! Who has advocated for killing more people than Sec Clinton? Nobody, that's who! Who has evolved more often and as quickly as Sec Clinton? Again, nobody! Who supports women and children around the world by bombing the living shit out of them? Sec Clinton, that's who! With your support, she can be our first woman President to bomb a Middle Eastern country! Tell me that's not a big deal!
By the way, who is this guy? He acts like he knows something about the Clintons.
sarcasm
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)a generation. Young people generally have no money.
But.. if you have trust fund, Hillary has your back.
Mike Nelson
(9,903 posts)...it's about his message on income inequality.