Michigan turnout "busiest ..primary in decades"

[restorefreedom]

turnout is uuge so far...what this means for trump, cruz, bernie, or hillary remains to be seen, but with open primary, anything could happen

grab your




http://www.wzzm13.com/news/politics/michigan-politics/high-voter-turnout-in-michigan-primaries/73984224

[Cleita]

1. At what time will we be seeing results?

Not much info about when or where to look for out of staters.

[restorefreedom]

2. this should,work

http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results

i think polls close at 8 and 9 pm est

[Cleita]

3. Thanks. I will be watching the results.

[restorefreedom]

5. yw. oh also, young turks will be covering it all online nt

[yourpaljoey]

6. Turks Turks Turks!!!

[restorefreedom]

14. definitely! nt

[liberal_at_heart]

11. Thanks for the link.

[restorefreedom]

15. yw! nt

[senseandsensibility]

21. Thanks for the link!

Looks like results will be posted soon!

[restorefreedom]

30. yw! nt

[Roland99]

22. Interesting that the NYT finally took out the superdelegates from the count

[Karma13612]

23. hmm, maybe enuf controversy and complaints have made them

realize that if they keep reporting like this, readers will tune them out.

[Ruby the Liberal]

24. Great catch!

I wasn't going to bother with their link because of the SD stupidity. I'll watch for the updates there now.

[CoffeeCat]

26. That is interesting. CNN was doing it too.

Just last week, a CNN commentator was saying that they decided to not include the Superdelegates because it caused so much controversy and there was no need to play that way.

I guess they got different instructions after last week!

Make no mistake--what determines whether or not they include the SDs in their counting--is a direct reflection of their willingness to kow tow to the Clinton camp. CNN commentators made it woefully clear that the Clinton spinmeisters spend inordinate amounts of time talking to the CNN commentators and reminding them of the "realities" that need to be disseminated.

[restorefreedom]

29. yes it was good to see. nt

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. I am

Depends what time this s over if or when we count delegates. Not supers for the record

[kentuck]

7. Interesting.

Very difficult to predict people's behaviors.

[MSMITH33156]

8. Makes sense

Because there was no primary in 2008. That year was historic, which is why the narrative of turnout being down developed. They keep comparing 2016 to 2008, which is silly. Since there is no 2008 comparison for Michigan, all of a sudden turnout is up.

[demmiblue]

13. There was a Michigan Democratic primary in 2008. n/t

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. It didn't count towards the convention delegates

As you may recall, Michigan and Florida defied the DNC on scheduling, and had their delegates stripped. Clinton won both easily, but got zero delegates out of them. I think the claim here is that 2008 is a bad comparison because people knew the vote wouldn't count.

[demmiblue]

31. Both Clinton and Obama had delegates from Michigan at the 2008 Democratic National Convention.

Not the full count, but by half.

[MSMITH33156]

20. Not one that counted

it was unsanctioned and Obama wasn't even on the ballot.

[CoffeeCat]

28. Clinton pulled some mind games in Michigan, that is for sure

I remember Michigan very well. All candidate camps signed a pledge saying that they would not compete in Michigan. They all agreed.

Clinton never took her name off the ballot. So, there was a vote and she won.

Clinton went on to argue that the Michigan delegates should be seated (after she won in a state in which Obama wasn't even on the ballot!). She argued that for quite a while.

At least she's consistent. Her snake-like behavior just boggles the mind.

From Wikipedia:

Hillary Clinton says the results [in Michigan] should count, even if Barack Obama's name did not appear on the ballot. "That was his choice...There was no rule or requirement that he take his name off the ballot. His supporters ran a very aggressive campaign to try to get people to vote uncommitted."...Clinton [says] that the Michigan and Florida pledged delegates should count because both are seen as key battleground states in the general election. But if the national party does not agree, she says, the states should re-do the primaries.[28]

When pressed by NPR, Clinton said, "We all had a choice as to whether or not to participate in what was going to be a primary, and most people took their name off the ballot but I didn't."[28] Critics have labeled Clinton's actions as dishonest, and charged her with trying retroactively to change the rules for her own benefit.[29][30][31]

[demmiblue]

32. Actually it was sanctioned (or else it wouldn't have happened) and it did count, to a degree.

My thoughts about Hillary Clinton are a different matter.

[kentuck]

9. That must scare the shit out of the establishment in both Parties?

They can usually predict who is going to vote before the ballots are cast.

[longship]

10. I dunno about that.

My experience at the polls this afternoon :
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511445581

BTW, WZZM is a Grand Rapids station. And G.R. is the home of the lunatic deVoss family and the Dutch Reformed church (both the same thing). Downtown G.R. all but closes down on Sunday -- it's the sabbath, you know.

It is an absolutely horrible place to measure voter turnout.

[Rybak187]

12. In my precinct I was voter 206 on the democratic side.

And they said there was 900 absentee ballots.

[Barack_America]

18. 10% of my precinct had voted by 9:15am,

When I cast my vote for Sanders. Just going by the ballot box counter, not including absentees.

[putitinD]

27. I cast my vote for Sanders at 10am, was voter number 424

[kgnu_fan]

17. kick

[Aerows]

19. Regardless of how it turns out

I'm just thankful to see that people have gotten over the damn voter apathy and are interested in the governance of our country.

Even if someone turns out to be a crappy politician, it teaches those who care to make a different choice the next time.

People actually paying attention to the decisions those who we the people send to DC is a huge positive, in my opinion, as is casting the vote for those that are sent in the first place.

[panader0]

25. I tell my friends (old construction trash) that if you don't vote

you are not allowed to complain later.