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Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:02 PM

Rumble

The older, long-time DU community members may recall that a couple of weeks ago, I posted an OP here about how the successes of an insurgent campaign are measured very differently than those of an establishment campaign. Thus, despite the Clinton camp’s attempts to portray the Democratic primaries as a done deal, the truth is that the Sanders movement was actually in a great position.

After yesterday’s results became known, I’m confident that those participants in the Sanders revolution who have less experience in insurgencies appreciate the strength of Bernie’s campaign. Our friends in the Clinton camp may feign happiness with yesterday’s results, but that’s merely a part of their collective effort to convince themselves that their candidate is “inevitable.” What is most important today is that the general public is beginning to see the contest between Hillary and Bernie in a very different light.

This morning, I had a medical appointment. My doctor is a liberal, registered member of the republican party. Political anthropologists believe that species is facing extinction, due to climate change within their party. However, there actually are an estimated eight liberal republicans in the United States.

As my strategy at such appointments is to direct attention from my health issues, I use the tried and true tactic of asking, “So what do you think about the primaries?” Works like a charm.

He said that, for the first time, he can see a route to victory for Bernie. He believes that if Bernie can wing the nomination -- against the wishes of the Democratic establishment -- he would be favored to beat any of the remaining republican candidates. In theory, he said, he thinks Sanders is the best candidate of those running. More, his wife -- who he said is very conservative -- has begun watching the Democratic debates, because she finds Bernie to be interesting. She’s not supporting him, but also will not rule out voting for him in the national election. Yet neither of them would ever, under any circumstances, consider voting for Hillary ….not because she is a woman, not because she is a Democrat, but because they are among a larger group that views Hillary as representative of all that is corrupt in our political system.

This is the process that a strong insurgency takes. It’s not a matter of winning each and every primary vote or caucus. That’s the establishment’s measure. Rather, it is to engage in specific battles, as part of the over-all conflict. The results of those battles changes the manner in which the public views the contest and its process. And as a result of that change, the strength of the Sanders revolution continues to build momentum.

I’m off to visit a college in upstate New York, to talk to some student activists about the Sanders revolution. I should be back this evening, to continue this discussion. I’m hoping some of the Sanders movement here will respond to a couple of questions:

First, are you feeling confident today? And second, in the context of a non-establishment insurgent campaign, are you ready to rumble? (Tonight’s debate will definitely be a rumble!)

We are in a great position now. Take time to enjoy it. For what we are taking part in now, at this strange and dangerous time in our nation’s history, is a campaign unlike any previous campaign in America. A lot of the credit goes to Bernie Sanders. And a lot of it goes to people like you. I thank you for that.

Peace,
H2O Man

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H2O Man Mar 2016 OP
peacebird Mar 2016 #1
H2O Man Mar 2016 #4
liberalnarb Mar 2016 #17
peacebird Mar 2016 #24
Aerows Mar 2016 #97
yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #2
H2O Man Mar 2016 #6
CorkySt.Clair Mar 2016 #11
randome Mar 2016 #14
Coincidence Mar 2016 #81
Mbrow Mar 2016 #94
Coincidence Mar 2016 #98
Mbrow Mar 2016 #99
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #19
mountain grammy Mar 2016 #29
diane in sf Mar 2016 #88
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #134
Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #95
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #135
Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #136
malthaussen Mar 2016 #108
SheilaT Mar 2016 #133
bigbrother05 Mar 2016 #22
Duval Mar 2016 #30
GoneOffShore Mar 2016 #34
H2O Man Mar 2016 #60
Bohunk68 Mar 2016 #96
Indepatriot Mar 2016 #25
AlbertCat Mar 2016 #38
H2O Man Mar 2016 #58
Divernan Mar 2016 #90
panader0 Mar 2016 #3
H2O Man Mar 2016 #7
AlbertCat Mar 2016 #39
H2O Man Mar 2016 #47
panader0 Mar 2016 #55
H2O Man Mar 2016 #56
Old Codger Mar 2016 #5
H2O Man Mar 2016 #8
LiberalArkie Mar 2016 #15
H2O Man Mar 2016 #48
Old Codger Mar 2016 #35
H2O Man Mar 2016 #49
Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #9
H2O Man Mar 2016 #61
stillwaiting Mar 2016 #10
H2O Man Mar 2016 #62
madfloridian Mar 2016 #12
H2O Man Mar 2016 #63
burrowowl Mar 2016 #13
H2O Man Mar 2016 #67
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #16
H2O Man Mar 2016 #68
WillyT Mar 2016 #18
H2O Man Mar 2016 #69
Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #20
H2O Man Mar 2016 #70
G_j Mar 2016 #21
H2O Man Mar 2016 #71
JDPriestly Mar 2016 #23
H2O Man Mar 2016 #74
people Mar 2016 #26
H2O Man Mar 2016 #79
malthaussen Mar 2016 #110
Enthusiast Mar 2016 #92
PatrickforO Mar 2016 #27
H2O Man Mar 2016 #82
kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #28
H2O Man Mar 2016 #100
LittleGirl Mar 2016 #31
H2O Man Mar 2016 #101
LittleGirl Mar 2016 #117
Lokijohn Mar 2016 #32
H2O Man Mar 2016 #102
Punkingal Mar 2016 #33
H2O Man Mar 2016 #103
Punkingal Mar 2016 #122
kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #36
H2O Man Mar 2016 #104
dana_b Mar 2016 #37
H2O Man Mar 2016 #105
sorechasm Mar 2016 #140
AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #40
Enthusiast Mar 2016 #93
H2O Man Mar 2016 #107
H2O Man Mar 2016 #106
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #41
H2O Man Mar 2016 #109
Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2016 #42
H2O Man Mar 2016 #111
pat_k Mar 2016 #43
H2O Man Mar 2016 #112
mhatrw Mar 2016 #44
H2O Man Mar 2016 #113
Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #45
H2O Man Mar 2016 #114
kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #46
H2O Man Mar 2016 #115
FlatBaroque Mar 2016 #50
H2O Man Mar 2016 #116
flamingdem Mar 2016 #51
H2O Man Mar 2016 #118
Autumn Mar 2016 #52
H2O Man Mar 2016 #121
bobthedrummer Mar 2016 #53
H2O Man Mar 2016 #123
noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #54
H2O Man Mar 2016 #128
islandmkl Mar 2016 #57
H2O Man Mar 2016 #129
islandmkl Mar 2016 #130
babylonsister Mar 2016 #59
corkhead Mar 2016 #64
XRubicon Mar 2016 #65
H2O Man Mar 2016 #66
XRubicon Mar 2016 #72
H2O Man Mar 2016 #75
XRubicon Mar 2016 #77
H2O Man Mar 2016 #78
WillyT Mar 2016 #73
XRubicon Mar 2016 #76
Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #80
Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #83
warrprayer Mar 2016 #84
BeanMusical Mar 2016 #85
KPN Mar 2016 #86
mountain grammy Mar 2016 #87
marions ghost Mar 2016 #125
Name removed Mar 2016 #89
Enthusiast Mar 2016 #91
jonestonesusa Mar 2016 #119
malthaussen Mar 2016 #120
marions ghost Mar 2016 #124
MuseRider Mar 2016 #126
lunatica Mar 2016 #127
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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:10 PM

1. I was waiting for hubbys truck at the dealership today. A group of men were in waiting room.

Topic of the elcetion came up, I was stunned that they all expressed disgust w R candidates in general, and said they hoped Trump and Sanders get the nominations, because either would be better than any of the other candidates out there.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:19 PM

4. Right.

My doctor said that everywhere he stopped this morning, that's what people were talking about. It's a good sign.

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:33 PM

17. Yeesh. Trump would be better? NO WAY. That would be the end of us

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #17)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:49 PM

24. I took it to mean, as self described Rs they were disgusted with their establishment candidates

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Response to peacebird (Reply #1)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:54 AM

97. We are in an odd political climate n/t

 

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:12 PM

2. I have never seen such enthusiasm for a candidate, for a movement

It's everywhere, and people want to talk about it.
Thank you for the succinct thoughts.

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:22 PM

6. There was a lot

of energy in 1968, with RFK's run. Intense energy. And I think that 2008 was impressive, too. But, exactly as you noted, there's enthusiasm for the candidate and the movement today. It's a unique time in history.

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Response to yourpaljoey (Reply #2)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:49 PM

11. Were you comatose in 2008?

 

I know most Bernie fans have no use for PBO, but rallies with 30-40k people were commonplace.

He also won 2 elections handily.


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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:26 PM

14. He wasn't pure enough, I guess.

 

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:53 PM

81. In retrospect he's pure neocon. [nt]

 

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Response to Coincidence (Reply #81)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:47 AM

94. Good point

I voted both times for BHO and campaigned hard the first time, he was the best candidate both times.He has his issues. If HRC was the best we had I'd be there as well. But this time It's Bernie.

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Response to Mbrow (Reply #94)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:01 AM

98. In fairness BHO is surely the best Reagan Republican POTUS we've ever had...

 

But like Hillary, he's not a progressive at all. The irony is that the conservatives in this country hate him with such vitriol when he's been right of center on nearly everything, even to the right of GWB on many issues (like assault weapons, immigration, drilling)! If Barack Obama were a white Christian Republican from Texas named Judd Johnson, I have no doubt there would be a movement right now to have his mugshot carved into Mt. Rushmore immediately.

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Response to Coincidence (Reply #98)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:05 AM

99. when your right,

your right. unfortunately A lot of people didn't see it at first and by the second time we just held our noses and voted. That why Bernie is refreshing.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:38 PM

19. Bernie acknowledges that Obama started this thing.

Obama hired too many Goldman-Sachs Wall Street people for his administration. But it was a good start in the right direction.

Obama, don't forget, had Rahm Emmanuel running his staff. That is an example of the kind of mistakes in staffing the Obama made. It's not about Obama. It's about the advice he sought and the staff he appointed. They pushed him in some wrong directions. Hillary at State was also a mistake. Why did Obama appoint a person who voted for the Iraq War to the State Department? Since Kerry is Secretary of State we have made a lot of progress in bringing more peace to the world. And peace means prosperity and a healthier planet.

But Obama started the move in Bernie's direction in 2008. Obama has not been tough enough in fighting the Republicans and in spite of his wonderful personality and good character has not united a forceful, active movement to back him up in his efforts. I don't know why that is. I think the DNC has not worked with Obama to use grass-roots' Democrats' energy as usefully to work toward Obama's goals as it could have.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:08 PM

29. Well said.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:01 AM

88. Mr. Obama probably had to battle the corporate DNC as well as the wingnuts.

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Response to diane in sf (Reply #88)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:34 PM

134. My view precisely.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:40 AM

95. Very well said. I think Obama is not getting the credit that he does deserve,

for the same reasons you stated. I was disappointed with some of his appointments. But, realized that he would be opposed, no matter what he did. And, that is what happened. I enthusiastically support Bernie. I see and hear positives wherever I go in this red area of Upstate NY. I see only his stickers, everywhere. Only seen one Hillary. Our church study group is all pro-Bernie and declare that the Jewish guy from Vermont is the only person who acts like a true Christian in the whole lot. Not forgetting that Jesus was just being a good Jewish kid. The OP is uplifting. Just realized I am replying to JDP. I agree with you so many times, that I don't bother posting much. We're the same age and agree on a lot of things. So HI HO, JDP.

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Response to Bohunk68 (Reply #95)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:37 PM

135. Someone pointed out to me the parallels between Jesus' life and that of Bernie.

Both born to Jewish families.

Bernie was a carpenter at one point in his life.

Both preach love for others and tell us all to treat others as we would like to be treated.

The parallels are profound.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #135)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:55 PM

136. What more could anyone be?

Finally, the candidate that I have been waiting for alllllll these years. Honesty. Integrity. Humbleness. Compassion. That is why he crosses all lines. The storm is coming.

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:18 AM

108. How do you work out that a person's staff picks are "not about (him)?"

He chose the staff. You ask "why did he pick them" when the simple answer is "because he thought they were the right people." And why did he think that? Because he agreed with them and/or they agreed with him.

To say, in this context, that his staff picks are "not about him" is reminiscent of the old idea that "the king can do no wrong." I prefer Harry Truman's slogan: the Buck Stops Here.

-- Mal

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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #19)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:41 PM

133. Excellent analysis.

 

Barack Obama is probably the smartest person in the room most of the time. But his actual political experience when he ran for President in 2008 was quite limited, which was pointed out by many. He hadn't yet interacted with very many people who were at the level he needed to draw upon for his administration, so he made any number of poor choices, such as the number of Goldman-Sachs appointees. To a large extent I think his heart has been in the right place, as exemplified by his willingness to accommodate Republican whims far beyond what he should have.

Bernie was a mayor for a number of years, then got elected to Congress more than twenty-five years ago. That means he knows a lot about the practical side of running things, even if Burlington is a lot different from the entire country. More importantly, he's been in Congress, in both the House and the Senate, which means he understands very well how things work, knows all of the current players. It's entirely possible that as President he will actually get a great deal through Congress precisely because of his time that, rather like Lyndon Johnson.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:44 PM

22. Fan of both. Not sure that DU constitutes "most" of Bernie fans

There are things I wish he had done, but he pulled our country back from the brink even though the RWNJ have struggled to hurl us all into the abyss.

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Response to bigbrother05 (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:16 PM

30. Another fan of both, in fact, Two here!! nt

 

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Response to bigbrother05 (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:27 PM

34. Add me to that list. I appreciate what President Obama has done.

I just wish he had been able to go farther.

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Response to bigbrother05 (Reply #22)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:19 PM

60. Thank you.

I find the attempts to divide in this manner distasteful. I suspect that anyone who was here in 2008 can clearly remember who supported Obama, and who didn't. And it definitely was not today's Sanders's supporters who were viciously attacking Senator Obama back then.

I supported Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012. I believe that he has had one of the most significant presidencies in our nation's history. I was proud to back him, not only in elections, but while he served, as well. I did disagree with President Obama on a handful of issues. In my opinion, that shows greater respect than those who simply served as cheerleaders.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #60)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:42 AM

96. +1,000 Pretty much the way I am seeing it also.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:49 PM

25. Bullshit.

 

I'd bet my house most Bernie backers backed Obama too. That doesn't mean we're thrilled with all of his actions / lack of actions. We simply want more focus on the Middle and Working Class. Period. Hillary is Pure Wall Street. Period. We saw her as last year's candidate in 08' and she's gotten less desirable since then. Most of us respect President Obama, but he's a centrist at heart, and thanks to the Third Way Clinton Cabal, that "center" has moved waaaay too right to truly be the center.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:35 PM

38. I know most Bernie fans have no use for PBO

 

You do?

I sure don't. "No use"? That's simply absurd. Having criticisms of some of Obama's actions and policies (he does admire Reagan, y'know) is nowhere near "no use for".

It's like pointing out that Hillary voted for things she voted for, or quoting things she actually said, is not an "attack".

This up or down, black or white dichotomous view of everything has got to stop! It's the current zeitgeist and it's unhealthy.

I think Sanders is helping to dissolve the line between us and them. There are conservatives that like him. (a thing Hillary's people seem to often think is some kind of handicap) It's not "we can fix the rigged money system OR help minorities" it's "We can fix the rigged system AND help minorities because they are intricately and complexly connected." It's not this one thing or this one thing.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:11 PM

58. Respectfully disagree.

First, there really is no call for insults here. We should focus on engaging in meaningful discussion ....or, even debate. There is plenty of information to discuss and debate in regard to the Democratic Party's presidential primary.More, to a very large extent, we all share common goals ....although there is obvious disagreement on how we best reach those common goals.

Second, not only is there zero evidence that "Bernie fans have no use for PBO," but that comes across as a cheap shot, intended exclusively on stirring the pot. Let's not resort to that shallow a tactic. A person should be capable of expressing valid reasons for supporting Hillary Clinton. Indeed, while I am supporting Sanders, I'm confident that I could easily address the strengths of Hillary Clinton, far better than 99% of her DU supporters do.

Insults and the like do nothing to advance either candidate, our party, or our goals.

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Response to CorkySt.Clair (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:11 AM

90. Says the member who joined DU in Dec., 2015!

No, sweetie, we were part of the enthusiastic support for PBO back in 2008.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:18 PM

3. Sorry, I couldn't resist...

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Response to panader0 (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:23 PM

7. Yikes!

I do like Michael. But I prefer Bundini's classic, "Rumble, young man, rumble!"

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Response to panader0 (Reply #3)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:38 PM

39. Sorry, I couldn't resist... either

 

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #39)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:50 PM

47. Rumble .....

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #47)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:56 PM

55. That is great.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #55)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:03 PM

56. I agree.

There was an intensity to that Young Man, even when he was joking around. And Bundini could motivate him, like no other.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:21 PM

5. Time now for

 

Not feeling particularly confident today,but more so than previously.. Call it cautious optimism mixed with a dash of cynicism. I have been around long enough to know that elections cycles can bring about many surprises in both directions.Bernie is up against a very strong coalition of large amounts of money and he frightens them, people that are frightened are in fact frightening to me, I and a lot of others have seen the repercussions of that before..

The future definitely looks brighter than it did a few days ago.. I will continue to do as much as I can until the final tally takes place.My involvement in any political activity will very much depend on the outcome of this nomination process..

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #5)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:25 PM

8. Yep, definitely

Things can change in an instant. We cannot take anything for granted.

And I think that we have reached the point, as you suggest, that the Sanders movement will be targeted not only by our political opposition, but by our enemies.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:27 PM

15. How quick can things change? 1968.

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Response to LiberalArkie (Reply #15)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:51 PM

48. Yep.

Sad but true.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #8)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:27 PM

35. At this point

 

What I see happening makes it hard to decide which is which anymore...

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Response to Old Codger (Reply #35)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:52 PM

49. Right.

The distinctions have begun to blur, as Bernie advances.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:32 PM

9. If not now, when?

 

This is our chance to, at least, injure the politics-as-usual corruption that has run this country for too long.

“The abuse of buying and selling votes crept in and money began to play an important part in determining elections. Later on, this process of corruption spread in the law courts and to the army, and finally, when even the sword became enslaved by the power of gold, the republic was subjected to the rule of emperors.” —Plutarch (c. AD 46 – AD 120)

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Response to Tierra_y_Libertad (Reply #9)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:22 PM

61. Exactly.

Well said. Thank you.

We have an opportunity. It is unique: this opportunity will never be available again. While there may be other opportunities that look, feel, smell, and taste similar may arise, they will be distinct. For this is absolutely a one-time-only chance to save our constitutional democracy.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 02:44 PM

10. A "representative of all that is corrupt in our political system".

This is going to be the bridge too far for a not insignificant part of Bernie supporters in the G.E.

Add that to the trouble Hillary has with Independents and the Youth vote, and we will be in much more trouble in November than if Bernie were to become the nominee.

I truly hope that Bernie supporters can emphasize this successfully to undecideds (and maybe even to a few Hillary supporters).

We need Bernie to win this nomination.

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Response to stillwaiting (Reply #10)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:26 PM

62. Right.

Yesterday, I posted here in DU:GDP, and asked Hillary supporters what -- should she win the nomination -- they believe people like me can say to progressives, to try to convince them to vote for Clinton in November.

I noted that appointments to the US Supreme Court strikes me as valid. I was hoping that they might raise other options.

Nor surprisingly, there was no response from Hillary's supporters.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:20 PM

12. Great post as usual. Thoughtful, inspiring but cautious as well.

Thanks for all the years of great posts, H20 Man

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Response to madfloridian (Reply #12)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:37 PM

63. Thanks!

I appreciate that!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:24 PM

13. I have a Republican Friend

And he has contributed to Bernie because he is the only honest politician out there!

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Response to burrowowl (Reply #13)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:21 PM

67. Yep.

It is happening.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:31 PM

16. Ready to rumble.




Thanks for sharing and good health to you, H2O Man.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #16)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:22 PM

68. Thanks, Uncle Joe!

I'm looking forward to tonight's debate!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:34 PM

18. HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!!

 


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Response to WillyT (Reply #18)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:22 PM

69. Thanks, Willy!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:40 PM

20. Well the rumble continues, no matter what happens..that is very exciting to me. Great OP, as usual.

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Response to Jefferson23 (Reply #20)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:23 PM

70. Thanks!

It should be very interesting tonight.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:40 PM

21. feeling very positive

I'm hearing the better angels whispering to many, many people, good outcomes are indeed possible.

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Response to G_j (Reply #21)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:25 PM

71. Right!

I enjoy watching the process unfold. And I think that the Sanders revolution will feel a significant burst of energy tonight, both during and after the debate.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:47 PM

23. To answer precisely and quickly so that I can go to the gym and be fit for the fight in

June in California and November across the country:

First, are you feeling confident today? As a Bernie supporter, yes, but we have a long way to go and a tough struggle ahead. Ohio is a big one. So is Illinois. If we can do fairly well there, the West Coast will be Bernie country.


And second, in the context of a non-establishment insurgent campaign, are you ready to rumble? (Tonight’s debate will definitely be a rumble!)

I am ready to tumble and rumble.

Let's stay humble so that we and Bernie will not fumble.

Bernie is the greatest.


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Response to JDPriestly (Reply #23)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:27 PM

74. Thank you!

It's also fun to watch Rubio crumble. His campaign is taking a tumble.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 03:50 PM

26. Wow!

Thank you for your very long and thoughtful post. I am 68 years old and I have NEVER in my whole life been happier about any election than I am about Bernie winning MI. I think if Trump is the republican nominee Bernie can beat him. I'm not so sure that Hillary could. Trump is pretending he will return American manufacturing jobs here and if Hillary is the Democratic nominee he will point to all the trade agreements she supported - but because Trump hasn't been in gov't he has no record on these agreements. Bernie is the ONLY person who actually could have voted for any of these agreements but chose not to. Makes me so happy to see him win MI.

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Response to people (Reply #26)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:51 PM

79. Thanks, people!

This was actually a rather short OP for me. I tend to ramble on and one.

You raise interesting and important points. Much appreciated!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #79)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:31 AM

110. Oh, how he rambles.

But he does it so well.



-- Mal

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Response to people (Reply #26)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:58 AM

92. Nice post!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:01 PM

27. I am feeling confident. At last the dialog is turning to issues that

actually matter to Americans. It's fantastic that we have a candidate talking about the stuff Bernie's talking about. I know in my heart that if we make those things Bernie wants happen, this country will be SUCH a better place to live!

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Response to PatrickforO (Reply #27)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:53 PM

82. Right!

Having candidates actually discussing the issues that Bernie is raising is huge. Those issues are being seriously discussed by people across the country. And that is such a good thing!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:05 PM

28. Have waited so long for this particular momentum to be here

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Response to kgnu_fan (Reply #28)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:36 AM

100. Yep.

It's been a long time coming.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:23 PM

31. I've been

following Bernie for years...I remember seeing him on Olbermann and Maddow's show back in '07 or '08. Back then I heard myself say out loud, I wished he'd run for President, I'd vote for him. I've never been so convinced that he fits my definition of honesty, integrity and humbleness. I hear all kinds of awful things about politicians. All my life. Shoot Nixon resigned when I was just learning about government in high school so I thought they were all crooks. But not Bernie. He doesn't have a crooked bone in his body. #FeelTheBern!

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Response to LittleGirl (Reply #31)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:40 AM

101. Well said!

I first met Bernie in 1981. While he has grown, his basic core values are identical today to what they were then. Of course, I had no idea that he would be running for president one day. Heck, I never would have guessed that he'd make it to the US Senate. But Vermont is different than NYS: they elect honest Senators there.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #101)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:39 AM

117. Thanks! Cheers n/t

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:24 PM

32. Yes! and hell yes!

to answer your questions.

go Bernie!

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Response to Lokijohn (Reply #32)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:41 AM

102. Thanks, Lokijohn!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:25 PM

33. Thanks for the OP!

I feel more confident than I did, for sure. I had a sneaky feeling ever since the debate on Sunday night that we were going to win yesterday. I sure did enjoy last night...so much so that i could hardly get to sleep.

I'm definitely ready to rumble...I have been for more years than I care to remember. Bernie is our best hope since RFK, a candidate who talked about love. Bernie talks about the golden rule, and if that's not about love for your fellow man, I don't know what is! We so need someone who talks like that, instead of fomenting divisiveness and anger. Someone to bring out the best in us. I imagine I sound corny to some, but I remember a time when there wasn't so much selfishness and greed. I don't understand when people dismiss Bernie as an angry old man. He's only angry at the unfair system we have. He's angry for US.

And while I am not a church-goer, I consider myself spiritual, and I send Bernie good vibes mentally every day. May he stay strong, well, and safe!

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #33)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:01 AM

103. Thank you.

I thought that debate was going to change the outcome, too. I try to watch -- and "score" -- debates as objectively as possible. And I thought that Bernie was much stronger, especially in the second-half.

Campaigns can be physically and mentally tiring. I think that showed through. It might be a large part of why Hillary attempted to "be in control" of the debate .....by ignoring the time-limits, and talking for twice as long as she was supposed to, virtually every time she spoke. Now, that tactic is mistaken for an alpha-quality in republican debates, but it does not translate the same here. It came across as programmed as Marco Rubio at his worst. More -- much more -- it was plum rude.

The moderators struggled to get Hillary to respect the rules -- which means to respect the format, and the audience. That she refused -- again, virtually every time -- showed a contempt for the process. Thus, Bernie addressed it in a manner that focused the spotlight on Hillary's rude behavior.

This is, like her refusal to release the Goldman Sachs' transcripts, an un-forced error. Hence, her campaign was forced to try to spin it to portray Bernie as Mean Mr. Mustard. And that is so weak, that it could only appeal to the bitterest of the bitter.

What did you think of last night's show?

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #103)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:29 AM

122. Last night was very interesting.

I don't see this debate as having as much impact as the Michigan one. It seemed to me the audience really liked Bernie. I think, this is an opinion only, that a symbolic corner has been turned, not just for Bernie but for people who have liked him, but have been hesitating because "he can't win." The response to his closing statement was amazing....people standing, cheering, and clapping. At first I thought it was just the end of the debate cheering, but it wasn't...it was for Bernie!

I thought he did very well...he will get his main points in, some way, somehow. He was definitely given less time than Hillary, but he is a better debater now and still gets his points across.

I think Hillary was given very tough questions, as well as given more air time. She certainly made an effort to be more pleasant and less angry than the Michigan debate. I thought her answers were okay for the most part, typical Hillary answers. Interesting that for this audience, she broke with Obama, on the issue of immigration, of course. As usual, she was taking credit for things I don't believe she was involved in, like Obama and Cuba, for instance, but she always does that. The auto bail-out lie double down was not a surprise, nor was the insinuation that Bernie is a communist. I think the audience liked her, too, but not as much as Bernie.

Overall, I think Bernie was the debate winner, and I think he will once again do better than expected, this time in Florida. One thing that didn't come up directly was the housing crisis, and I know Florida was hit hard. Florida was part of the book and movie "The Big Short." I expect Bernie's Wall Street message will resonate there. If I am not mistaken, he did okay with Hispanics in NV and CO, so this will be an interesting contest.




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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:30 PM

36. Ramble on, And nows the time, the time is now To sing my song.


Ramble On - Led Zeppelin

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Response to kgnu_fan (Reply #36)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:02 AM

104. You are The Best!

Thank you so much!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:35 PM

37. Thank you too and I have to say

that I always find your OPs to be a breath of fresh air.

I am feeling confident today! Not OVERLY confident, because I see the road ahead, but I do feel a bit better than I did a week or so ago and even then I had some confidence.

I am definitely ready to rumble! I think that includes donating more time than I have been. I can't do more financially, but I can try to do so through the campaign and even online. Also just doing what you are doing and talking to people that we encounter in our daily lives. Today my daughter is trying to show her defense instructor that Bernie is NOT bad for small businesses. So I did some homework online and sent her the links to show to him. I hope it helps!! He has it in his mind that Bernie is a socialist (not Democratic Socialist) that wants to tax him out of business. Too much fear put into his head from Fox "News".

So yeah - let's do this!!

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Response to dana_b (Reply #37)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:14 AM

105. Thank you, dana_b!

I do try to make my OPs worth reading. I recognize that not everyone is going to agree with everything I write -- for that would mean they aren't worth reading. Rather, I attempt to write in a manner that makes people think ....and, because there absolutely are a lot of highly intelligent community members here, I hope for an open, non-hostile discussion to follow.

In my mind's eye, Bernie is literally continuing the conversation that the Founding Fathers began. And, without question, the FF anticipated -- and demanded -- that to be an on-going conversation.

I do not see any other candidate doing that. Senator Obama did, in 2008. And Jesse Jackson did, in his primary runs. But before him, we really would have to go back several decades to find anyone from either party who did so.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #105)

Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:02 AM

140. Over 300 recs and 4 days of dialogues: Mission Accomplished H2O Man. Thanks for your

valuable insight.

I especially like this phrase of yours: 'Only the media could sell plastic as organic.'.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:03 PM

40. I am feeling confident in the American people and a little less cynical today.

 

I am gobsmacked at Bernie's showing in Michigan. Delighted to be sure that Michiganders saw through the manipulative lies and horseshit, but knowing Clinton will cling to the quest for the nomination like grim death demonstrating yet again she will do anything and everything to win.

I remain in awe of the organization going on on Reddit, calling on what seems like an endless supply of foot soldiers, the wonderful volunteers that I am so grateful for. They are orchestrating phone banks and knocking on doors. They are matching up people in states soon on deck to house the volunteers. They are plugging in help in "hot spots" where people call in for targeted assistance in real time.

I expect the ugly from the Clinton camp to increase exponentially. Snake-like David Brock is at the forefront using his Media Matters and Blue Nation Review and now the Onion purchased by a Clinton supporter to disseminate lies and propaganda. Mark Penn is behind the scenes manipulating polling. Their scorched earth approach makes me sad and anxious, not that I think it will work so much but because it is wholly unpleasant.

This may be our last shot to wrestle democracy back from those that wish to be our corporate overlords, and I am ready to rumble. I will dig deep and concentrate on ways I can help. I am phone banking and offering my home to house volunteers. I am not physically able to get out and canvass; I'll leave that to the wonderful, amazing people who are jumping in their cars and going to the states where Bernie needs a hand. I am verklempt writing this because these efforts come from a place of joy, and it is a beautiful thing.

And so, dear H20 man, let us gird our loins and in the words of Dylan Thomas not go gentle into that good night, but rage against the dying of the light.

k/r

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:03 AM

93. Yay!

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #93)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:16 AM

107. Right!

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Response to AtomicKitten (Reply #40)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:16 AM

106. Beautiful.

And powerful.

Thank you for this -- it really should be required reading for all Democrats. I'm going to forward your post to my four children.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:07 PM

41. Michigan was a big deal. The paradigm was upturned, the route highlghted, the foolish blather shown

 

to be foolish blather. This is the election my particular circle of family and friends have not just been waiting for but longing for and preparing for. Plus I'm at my best in an insurgent context so I'm personally content.

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #41)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:29 AM

109. Very well said.

This, like a couple other posts on this thread, really should be expanded upon for an OP here on DU:GDP. For you have articulated something that I suspect many of us -- myself included -- have felt, but which remained unsaid until you did so here.

There are a heck of a lot of us who have struggled for the causes of social justice for decades. In those struggles, we have often felt marginalized the the establishment .....including within the Democratic Party. That establishment wanted our money, our organizing skills, and our votes. But they didn't want to hear our opinions, and they very rarely were willing to support our causes.

We've experienced "wins" and "loses" along the way. But for many of us, there was an anticipation of something else coming up, on down the line. And I do believe that the Sanders revolution is it. It provides the opportunity for us to contribute our various skill-sets to the common cause.

I really hope that you will turn your post into an OP. I know that it would be beneficial for a lot of people here.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:16 PM

42. Well, H20 Man

Wednesday was a doctor visit day for me, too. After hearing the spectacular news that a new prescribed blood pressure medication (Benazep/HCTZ) was doing the trick, I too, asked the open-ended question: "So what do you think of the Michigan primary?" I had no clue about his political leanings, but, what the heck? He lit up like a Christmas tree and said "I loved it!" I asked him if he supported Bernie and he told me after he listened to a couple of his speeches, he became a believer. Said he was most impressed with how long Bernie's been fighting.

I then proceeded to tell him about DWS and the brilliant young man who's going to unseat her. He didn't know about her, but now he does and is gonna send Tim a donation. Along with one to Bernie, of course. A most satisfying morning.

And THANK YOU, H2O Man, for all you've done and are doing.



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Response to Iwillnevergiveup (Reply #42)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:33 AM

111. Great!

I'm glad that you had good news. (I figure that as long as I'm above ground, I'm doing pretty darned good!)

These types of conversations are going on in doctors' offices, gas stations, grocery stores, work places, etc. Bernie's campaign is breathing new life into our democracy.

Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:18 PM

43. kick'n'rec!

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Response to pat_k (Reply #43)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:35 AM

112. Thanks, pat_k!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:57 PM

44. Rumble

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Response to mhatrw (Reply #44)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:36 AM

113. Rumble! (and bungle in the jungle!)

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Response to Sensitive soul (Reply #45)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:38 AM

114. Malcolm

was a great teacher.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:33 PM

46. kick and recommended

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Response to kgnu_fan (Reply #46)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:38 AM

115. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:53 PM

50. k and r

thank you.

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Response to FlatBaroque (Reply #50)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:38 AM

116. Thank you, FlatBaroque!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:56 PM

51. Very well articulated H2O

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Response to flamingdem (Reply #51)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:39 AM

118. Thanks!

I'm glad that you enjoyed my OP.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:02 PM

52. I am extremely confident, have been since I caucused here in CO.

Yeah I'm ready to rumble, I think Bernie will deliver an uppercut tonight and set her up for a knockout. He was really on her on the last debate.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #52)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:57 AM

121. Very good!

Well done .....I'm not sure if I've ever mentioned my passion for the sport of boxing (grin), which causes me to view all of life in the context of the Great Sport.

Your post reminded me of something. Back many years ago, when I boxed, it was rare for me to face anyone with a skill set that made for serious competition. But there were a few, and they made for my favorite ring experiences. In some of those instances, I still took them out in the first round, but some of those bouts went longer.

That was where "pace" was important. I was confident that I could set a pace ....more accurately, impose a pace .....that forced my opponent to spend more energy than he wanted to. Now, he might very well do good enough to build a lead on the judges' scorecards. His fans might have honestly believed their guy was winning. But I knew better.

Mentally, I was measuring a few things: how hard he was breathing, any small changes in his reflexes, and especially, how he reacted to a punch to his body. And so there would come I time when I forced him to use his remaining energy, then pull him into a clinch, and say, "Is that all you got? 'Cause you are in a lot of trouble right now." And then I'd end the fight.

I think the last two debates have indicated that we are approaching that point.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:05 PM

53. K&R#159

 

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Response to bobthedrummer (Reply #53)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:35 AM

123. Thanks, Bob!

Did you see last night's debate? What did you think of it?

My youngest daughter, home for "spring break," thinks it's a giggle that our phone is ringing off the hook .....tons of friends and associates calling to report on conversations they have over-heard or participated in, over the past 72 hours. The tide is turning.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:25 PM

54. VERY CONFIDENT

1. I know we will have setbacks as we travel this road but I am very confident tonight because more and more people are opening their eyes. I KNOW that most of the American people are ready for this change so we just have to help people do what they want to do in the first place. The more they get to see this campaign and what's its about the better chance we have of succeeding in this revolution. The contests so far show that we've improved every step of the way. In Michigan we earned more Black votes than we did in the South. The Jewish candidate received strong support from the Arab-American community (something the press ignored). They trust Bernie and they trust us. I've talked with Democrats, Independents & even Republicans who are liking what they see. As a matter of fact a Republican I work with was angry at the media for dissing Bernie. lol That's a good start. He's not voting for him....yet but I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up doing so.

2. Rumble, young man, Rumble! or in this case Rumble, "old man" Rumble!...Waaaaa. lol Let's get ready to ruuuuuuumble. And yes we will go the distance. We will not sit on our stool and say no mas, no mas when things don't go our way. We will figure out how to use our opponents strengths to defeat her. And when we do then we will take on our next opponent and the next opponent and the next opponent.

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Response to noretreatnosurrender (Reply #54)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:35 PM

128. Very good!

I especially like your first paragraph. You've nailed it. This is an organic movement. While every presidential campaign seeks to portray itself as such, organic movements are extremely rare. There have been very few in my lifetime.

The Trump campaign attempts to be viewed as such. And, in a sense, it is capitalizing on the discontent of the public. Yet, the Trump campaign has become what it is due to the investment that the corporate media has made, with month after month after month of covering Trump's outrageous behavior, even more so than the republican voters' outrage. Only the media could sell plastic as organic.

I, too, am in the Old Man stage of life. Perhaps Big George Foreman's come-back is a more accurate description of us now, though we still remember that amazing young champion who floated like a butterfly, and stung like a bee.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:08 PM

57. another insightful post H20 Man...K & R...we are truly in a battle to recover the soul of not only

the Democratic Party but the fundamental principles of our nation...

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Response to islandmkl (Reply #57)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:41 PM

129. I agree 100%

You are absolutely correct -- this is for the soul of our party, and for those principles that are required to be a constitutional democracy. That really is what this is all about. And I think that a growing number of people are beginning to recognize that, as the Sanders movement comes into focus. That includes a heck of a lot of people who are not registered Democrats ....but would be, if our party actually produced candidates who honored those principles.

Your post really hits the nail on the head. I've probable re-read it 20 times as I'm typing this response. I love it. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #129)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:04 PM

130. thank you...your posts are the voices we need to hear...

have a good one

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:12 PM

59. And I thank you for your

always wonderful, inspiring posts!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:43 PM

64. I am in Michigan and am proud to have enlightened some of my co-workers about Bernie

I was talking with one tonight before I left work. I first introduced her to Bernie sometime around when he first announced his candidacy. Tonight she was asking me about what happens with delegates when there is a brokered convention. She is too young to remember the 1968 primaries and convention so I gave her that history lesson. We also had a great discussion about how Reagan's launch in Philadelphia Mississippi could have been what planted the seeds that ultimately lead to Clinton's African American advantage. ( I was riffing off of an interview of Matt Taibbi by Sam Seder that I had just heard earlier in the day.)

We also compared notes about our informing and cajoling family co-workers and friends to become politically involved and learn about Bernie's message. We both can brag about us being the first to introduce Bernie to a number of people who ultimately went out to vote for him last night.

We concluded our conversation by my telling her that we may have just witnessed a watershed event, years from now we may look back at yesterday as a major turning point in the history of this country, and that she should be proud to have played a role in it.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:59 PM

65. Indeed. Enjoy the moment.

It won't last long.

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #65)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:20 PM

66. Longer than you ....

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #66)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:26 PM

72. I've been here since 2007

Really before that, I can't remember what my screen name was way back when.

Anyway, enjoy your moment.




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Response to XRubicon (Reply #72)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:27 PM

75. I was referencing

something else ......

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #75)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:31 PM

77. Oh...

I am really not enjoying any of this...

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #77)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:32 PM

78. Oh

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Response to XRubicon (Reply #65)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:26 PM

73. We Keep Hearing That... We've Been Hearing It Since At Least April... And They've Been WRONG...

 

EVERY SINGLE TIME.


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Response to WillyT (Reply #73)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:29 PM

76. All I'll say to you Willy is that I will vote for the nominee

Bernie or Hillary.

I predict I will be voting for Hillary.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Wed Mar 9, 2016, 11:24 PM

84. And thanks to you

For your courage and vision

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:54 AM

85. Kick and R

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:31 AM

86. Bernie is doing what Reagan did.

He's appealing to people on both sides of thea isle who are fed up with what has been going on. Bernie will get many Is and maybe even substantial Rs to vote for him -- if only the Ds give him that chance -- and its looking more and more like they will.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:52 AM

87. I feel a little more confident every day..

seeing lines around the block to attend a caucus make my heart want to burst. My caucus had several new people and all were young and there to vote for Bernie. This political awakening has been a long time coming, and I couldn't be happier. Maybe these kids will save our sorry old asses after all.

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:42 AM

125. These ARE our kids

they should save our sorry asses --and their own.

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:31 AM

91. Kicked and recommended! This seems to be a common theme.

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:50 AM

119. What a great OP! So glad to rec it!

So proud of Sanders, his focus on the issues, and looking forward to voting for him in the Wisconsin primary!! This campaign is truly grass roots with progressive policies getting the prominence they should have! A long time ago I was in Minnesota when Paul Wellstone earned a seat in the US Senate and I will never forget being there to chant "Senator Wellstone!!!" on election night!! Now I am feeling the Bern, time to beat the odds once again!!

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 10:56 AM

120. Confident? No.

I'm a control freak, I'm never confident when the results of something depend on other people.

I think the road to victory for Mr Sanders has been sketched out well enough, he and his staff know at least some of what they have to do to win, and the energy and enthusiasm are not lagging, despite the best efforts of the nay-sayers, and are increasing. Will it be enough? There are a lot of delegates to make up. Mrs Clinton is running out of easy victories, but it is delegates who will nominate the candidate. Even when she "loses" a state, she gains delegates. This is understood, so the question is whether there is enough time and enough surge to overcome her present advantage. Then there is the matter of superdelegates. One presumes some will hold out for Mrs Clinton whatever occurs before the primary. I'm guessing the majority will jump on whatever bandwagon looks to be fullest when the time comes. If Mrs Clinton has more delegates than Mr Sanders when the convention convenes, then they will flock to her side. If the reverse is true, then much may depend upon how great a lead Mr Sanders has. It is in any event a formidable task. That Mr Sanders and his staff are up to the task, I have no doubt: but you have boxed, you know that the better man does not always win.

Rumble? I've been rumbling all along, in my own poor fashion.

-- Mal

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:40 AM

124. H2O Man

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:02 PM

126. Just watching now,

had rehearsal. This is a good debate. Not far enough along to say much except he appears to be fighting back and doing it in Bernie style. 💕 We gave him Kansas, the wave is beginning to cause concern. Bernie wave is coming, better be ready. Yes, I feel very good right now. 😃

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:17 PM

127. The way I feel as a long, long time Progressive

Is that I can feel myself tensing and beginning to hold my breath lest I should jinx the rumblings of a revolution I've waited for all my life.

I guess that means I can feel the stirrings of new hope under the scab of cynicism I've carried so long.

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:20 PM

131. I have a correction for you

 

H2O man, you wrote: "Political anthropologists believe that species is facing extinction, due to climate change within their party. However, there actually are an estimated eight liberal republicans in the United States."

You should send them to the Hudson Valley, in New York, where I believe you will see quite a mass of them. Many can be found in Westchester, Putnam, Dutchess, Orange and Ulster Counties.

The bulk of them who I have seen and been able to communicate with would vote for Bernie because of his consistency, honesty, and reliability. This is even though they may not agree with some, or most of his policies. This is why I believe that Bernie would stand a better chance in the General Election than Clinton. As far as tRump goes, there is a rare species of RepubliCLOWN here who foam at the mouth, and are probably suffering from rabies that support him. The bulk of the population here dislikes him so much, that they have been bothering the State to rename Trump State park, to Seeger State Park. Most of these are the diehard liberals who are in the area around Putnam County.

Just thought you might find it interesting.

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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:24 PM

132. great discussion....

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Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:09 AM

137. Recommend. nt

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Fri Mar 11, 2016, 01:32 PM

138. Yay! I was the 300th recommend

Don't believe I've had that dubious pleasure on DU before. Great piece as always, H2O Man.

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Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:17 PM

139. Yay! Rec #301. K&R nt

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Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:21 PM

141. Been hesitant to make a prediction, but, I think NC is beginning to look good

for Sanders campaign. He's certainly running strong in my region which has the largest number of D voters.

Always appreciate your posts, Waterman. You do primary the way primary should be done. ; )

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