Wonder why Hillary's name appears on Chicago's sample ballot but Bernie's does not? Wonder no more.

[AtomicKitten]

From Reddit. My son just showed me this. I had to post it, but I'm going back to bed. Cheers.

[beam me up scottie]

1. Wtf is that shit?

[winter is coming]

25. That's what I'd like to know. I've only ever seen sample ballots that were actual ballots,

not thinly disguised endorsement lists.

[beam me up scottie]

28. Now I understand what people are talking about when they refer to Cook County's dirty politics.

This is how Rahms get elected.

[brooklynite]

104. Endorsed ballots are done all over the country...

I was a Committee,an in the reform Ward in Philly, and we did this 40 years ago.

[Silver_Witch]

105. Really

You suppressed the vote to only one candidate? This is a primary we have a right to vote for all of the candidates not the candidate you decide is the "right" candidate. Yet another reason Clinton supporters are not helping Clinton.

[brooklynite]

106. Do you understand what the word "suppress" means?

Every voter had the right to vote for whomever they wanted. But MOST voters didn't want to go through the effort of studying up on who to choose for City Clerk, or Planning Commissioner, and relied on our advice.

Again, we're not talking about the ballot on the voting machine; we're talking about a sample ballot handed out to voters, which they could accept or reject.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

62. Hillary obviously needs all the help she can get!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[beam me up scottie]

63. It's wrong no matter which candidate is left off.

This is exactly what's wrong with politics.

Revolting.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

65. I agree, but it tells you sonething when they hafta pull out all the stops to help Hillary by cheating.

[beam me up scottie]

66. Yep.

We knew they would go this route, I'm not really surprised, just disgusted.

[hobbit709]

2. Look out, the outrage clown may show.

[Le Taz Hot]

5. Yeah, that was worth the price of admission

wasn't it?

[arcane1]

46. "Outrage clown"

Perfect

[former9thward]

3. Bernie will be lucky if they print his name

on the official ballot in Chicago.

[HooptieWagon]

4. Just part of the pattern.

DNC continuing to try to rig the nomination for Clinton.

[amborin]

6. Horrible; what is being done about this? This is outrageous!

[Arazi]

7. They're not even trying to pretend to be fair anymore

[WillyT]

8. HUGE K & R !!!

[libtodeath]

9. What the fuck?

[hack89]

10. This happens for every election at every level all over the country

endorsing candidates is what party organizations do.

[dflprincess]

37. At least in Minnesota what candidates get endorsed and by what party unit varies

If a city has partisan elections for mayor and city council then the DFL unit for that city endorses.
Candidates for the state legislature are endorsed by the party unit in the legislative district.
Candidates for the House of Representative by the congressional district party unit.
Statewide office, either state offices or federal at the state convention.

A party unit does not endorse a candidate outside that unit's area and they do not endorse a candidate that is running in a wider area even if that unit is part of the wider area. It would be completely out of line to endorse a candidate at one level who had not been endorsed by the wider group.

The DFL does not endorse in the presidential race. There are state party officials who have personally endorsed a candidate but they have done a pretty good job of keeping official party events neutral. And I guarantee that they would never have gotten by with a stunt like this sample ballot.

[hack89]

39. But sample ballots are common across America

according to DU'rs that live in those states. I have seen them in RI.

The false outrage over this ballot should be embarrassing. I guess Bernie did pull in new voters that are new to the political process.

[dflprincess]

41. The DFL sends out sample ballots as well

prior to the state primary* and the general election but only for candidates endorsed by the appropriate party unit. If my senate district endorsed a candidate for the state legislature that the the wheels in the state DFL office really didn't not like, the sample ballot for the primary would include the endorsed candidate not the one people higher up the party food chain preferred.


(*To avoid confusion - we do have a primary but it is only for contested races within the state, it has nothing to do with presidential politics)

[MineralMan]

91. That's correct. But that's Minnesota's DFL Party.

I suspect that other states have different processes. I know nothing about the Democratic Party Organization in Illinois, but it appears as though their individual party units can endorse, even for a Presidential Primary. I don't particularly like that. For example, at our recent precinct caucuses, I would not even think about speaking in favor of one of the Democratic primary candidates. As the chair of the precinct organization, I think I should be neutral on that when I'm representing the DFL, so that's what I do.

We did have people speaking in support of candidates at our caucus, but I simply introduced them. Endorsements aren't my job. My job is to help the DFL encourage Democrats to vote in elections and to support candidates who have been endorsed by our party units. That doesn't happen until the conventions take place, though. Our Senate District convention is on April 16. We''ll be endorsing our candidate for State Senator there, along with electing delegates for the Congressional District Convention. That's it.

[dflprincess]

102. I was responding to a post that said what happened in Chicago happens all over the country.

I just wanted it made clear that it does not happen in some states.

[SusanCalvin]

48. Not where I live!

My county party has been scrupulously fair to all primary candidates.

Taking sides is for the general.

[noretreatnosurrender]

61. Exactly

Taking sides is for the General election. I'm stunned that this was done. I've seen a lot of people post that they see them all the time in Chicago but no one has stated for sure that they get them in primary races. If they do then they live in a corrupt city and they need to push back on this. Don't accept this just because this time it may be your candidate who is benefiting. This is wrong.

[hack89]

78. No it is not. Primaries are where it is most important

No point in endorsing after the primary - the choice is made. There is only one candidate left.

[SusanCalvin]

79. The party itself at any level

has no business endorsing, except in extreme cases like that Larouche nut in Texas. Isn't that what we've been complaining about with DWS?

[hack89]

84. You must be new to politics

Last edited Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:11 PM - Edit history (1)

I have been a member of my local party organization for a long time. We have a history of endorsing going back generations. And we are not unique. Influencing elections are why they exist in the first place.

[SusanCalvin]

97. Wow. I'm glad I don't live where you live. I wouldn't like it.

In my area, the party itself remains impartial in the primaries.

To answer your first remark, I am most certainly not new to politics. You draw that conclusion, apparently from the customs of your area.

“Forgive him, for he believes that the customs of his tribe are the laws of nature!”
George Bernard Shaw

[hack89]

98. I live in a blue, pro-union, progressive state

with some of the most progressive social policies you could imagine - you would love it here.

[SusanCalvin]

99. No, I would not, I assure you.

Once again you make unsupported assumptions. Kindly stop.

Actually, I won't know if you do or don't, because I am terminating my end of this soi-disant conversation.

[hack89]

100. Pro-marriage equality, pro- choice, very secular.

you call yourself progressive?

[SusanCalvin]

107. Wow, I said this conversation was over from my point of view, but...

I don't call myself progressive, I AM progressive.

I would not like your area because (you tell me) your local Democratic party endorses primary candidates in their primaries. Mine doesn't, and I think that's the way it should be. This is why many are criticizing DWS, no?

I also wouldn't like your area, frankly, if it has too many people like you, who make assumptions and tell people how to think (see evidence above).

Bye.

[hack89]

108. So you judge and dissmiss a state full of progressives for such a petty reason?

wow. I hope all Bernie supporters are not as ideologically rigid and judgemental as you are.

[monicaangela]

101. Exactly SusanCalvin

This is not the party endorsing, it is the party selecting the nominee ...big difference.

[Segami]

11. The Twitter thread...

https://twitter.com/joshuaclintonn/status/707309450877476864

[Ken Burch]

12. That kid should start a "Clinton for Sanders" Facebook page.

n/t.

[Mnpaul]

13. Can Bernie do a bulk mailing

with the real ballot?

[MineralMan]

92. He could. Or, he could send out a "sample" ballot with just his

name on it. A lot of candidates do that during campaigns.

The official sample ballot, of course, comes from the state or local election jurisdiction and has all candidates on it. Various others print and distribute all sorts of things called "sample ballots." I think most voters understand that those are endorsement ballots. Voters know the difference.

[jalan48]

14. Unfortunately, a lot of low information voters won't get it.

They will just go with whoever the "Democratic Party" says they should. Group think.

[HubertHeaver]

19. For some of them,

it literally means their job. Vote right or you're out.

[MineralMan]

93. Nobody knows how you actually vote, unless you tell them.

How would they?

[HubertHeaver]

103. This is Chicago we are talking about.

Back in the patronage days, if your guy didn't win, your job was over. That took out your whole shop.

They had other ways, not legal, of determining how you personally voted.

I don't have contacts in that zoo any more so I can't tell you what the modern techniques are.

For a primer in Chicago politics, I recommend Mike Royko's book Boss: Richard J. Daley of Chicago.

[dflprincess]

38. Exactly

that's why parties send out sample ballots.

[xloadiex]

15. Some wards have sample ballots

that leave off Hillary's name and only list Bernie's. It all depends on who your ward is endorsing. That's how it works in Chicago. It goes by wards.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Got one? Pic or it ain't happ'nin'.

[xloadiex]

35. Here

http://www.carlosrosa.org/sampleballot2016

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. Kudos and Thank You.

[Action_Patrol]

42. The ignorance about politics in this thread

And the other one about the same topic is astounding.

You'd think that people that spend this much time on the internet would know about these.

It's no conspiracy. Plenty of places around the country do this.

Thank you for posting.

[zalinda]

47. Not every one has received sample ballots, give them a break. eom

[Action_Patrol]

83. I can't give them a break

This is why the primaries forum is garbage.

Everyone NEEDS to be outraged. The anti-Clinton people scream about the sky falling and the conspiracy to take Sanders down when they see a ward with a sample ballot preferring Clinton.

When presented with the same information with a Pro-Sanders ballot it doesn't change the outrage. The information is just ignored.

[zalinda]

96. Not every one has seen a sample ballot

When a Bernie supporter seems that a local dem group puts only Hillary on the ballot, they are not thinking that this is a sample ballot (when sample ballots are not known to them). That sample ballot is, to them, another DWS dirty trick. DWS has brought out this distrust of the dem party with her antics.

Z

[SusanCalvin]

54. Well, mine doesn't, and I'm glad. nt

[AtomicKitten]

55. There are 50 wards in Chicago. As far as I can tell, only 2 have endorsed a presidential candidate.

I have looked and looked for any other ward endorsements and can find none except Cook County and somebody posted a link to the the 35th ward. What about the other 48? Please advise if you have further information.

I find endorsements coming from within political machinery to be dangerous. I want free and fair elections and find this endorsement crap from within the election machinery unacceptable.

[lunasun]

64. not true but not pulling up all of them for you to proveit

http://www.ward49.com/news/sample-ballot-issued-for-early-voting-including-judicial-elections/

Take this list with you when you vote to help you make an informed decision.

In the 49th Ward Democratic Party, the members of the party, not the elected officials, make the endorsement decisions. They are progressive-minded volunteers, not paid political workers. They make their endorsement decisions after hearing from all the candidates in an open and democratic process. As the 49th Ward Democratic Committeeman, I heartily support their recommendations.

Finally, we can use your help in the final weeks leading up to the election, as well as Election Day itself. These endorsements mean nothing unless people know about them. Your help is critical in getting the word out. Please reply to this email or call the 49th Ward Democratic Party at 773-973-4949 and we’ll sign you up!

Regardless of whom you support, I strongly encourage you to vote.

[AtomicKitten]

67. What's not true? Are you saying all the wards endorse?

I'm not asking you look anything up, just to simply answer that question. I live in California and have no clue how stuff is run in Chicago. Please educate us if you have that information. Thanks in advance for the info.

I oppose endorsements coming from within the election machinery. I find it troubling and really inappropriate. I support free and fair elections and believe those running elections should remain neutral.

[lunasun]

59. THANK YOU Yes this is how each ward endorses+ have been doing it this way 4ever

I dont understand the outrage OPs but maybe some are unfamiliar with this
. Why not outrage over different caucus sides in a state during the dem race????? same thing imo
every ward is voicing their opinion
guess that is how we roll here and i do not think it is bad.
For those not familiar ,Chicago is a big city and diverse so there will be differences

is the preference for a word from city hall to influence the whole voting area?? Or should there be no opinion from local leaders?

FYI it is not just the presidential primary, you will see differences on states attorney etc too
for example 35th going for Foxx this is a race with 3 candidates Differences having to do with the Laquan shooting and other issues fracture the city on who gets on the sample put out
Besides a lot of these flyers wind up in bird cages and gutters
Not taken as serious as DU's concern

[vintx]

86. That's a candidate's page. Not quite the same as a party office, is it?

Got an example that's actually comparable?

[xloadiex]

95. Each ward usually issues a ballot on who they support

That is the 34th ward page. They don't have to agree with who cook county supports.

[MineralMan]

94. Thanks for posting that.

It shows how these so-called "sample" ballots are used.

[SusanCalvin]

49. Ugh. Then I'm glad I don't live there.

My county party does not play favorites. Nor do I think they should.

[gregcrawford]

16. These people...

... disgrace the Democratic Party. I thought we were supposed to be above this kind underhanded horseshoe. Guess it's time to feed my unicorn.

[KingFlorez]

17. County parties can endorse whoever they like

There is no requirement for them to stay neutral, unless it is in their bylaws and local parties make their own bylaws. This is nothing new.

[Perogie]

23. The issue isn't who they endorse

the issue is they didn't include Sanders on the sample ballot.

If they didn't have Clinton's name and only Sanders I'm sure the Clinton supporters would not like it either

[metroins]

31. They only include the ones they endorse....

Look at the stars next to the name that indicate "Contested"; they only show the name of the ones they endorse.

[SusanCalvin]

50. Huh.

If I lived in a county that worked like that, I'd be trying to change the bylaws.

[fun n serious]

18. Y'all have been saying for months now that you have jumped ship.

Now you complain that the water is cold?

[Smarmie Doofus]

20. I think it's like that everywhere. They don't even see what's wrong with it.

And they expect us to dutifully fall in line.

They're in for a surprise...... I have a feeling.

[silvershadow]

26. I am afraid you might be right. I hope not, though. With DWS at the helm, it must be

the accepted culture right now. The Third Way has fully engulfed its' host at the moment. The party is currently taking its' antibiotics. If we finish the dose, we will be on the road to recovery.

[SusanCalvin]

51. "They don't even see what's wrong with it."

I guess so, judging from this thread.

Reminds me of superdelegates.

For the record, I have no objection to their being given guaranteed attendance. And their vote will not matter. What I object to is the way they're being used to attempt to manipulate low-information voters.

[Chasstev365]

21. Don't know how Illinois will go, but

Rahm Emmanuel is Hugely unpopular and the Chicago teachers union endorsed Bernie.

[mckara]

24. Something Went Rahm!!!

More political corruption in Chicago

[cyberpj]

27. Kickin this up the list. G-damn it! nt

[Zorra]

29. The Democratic Party establishment continues to shoot itself in the face.

And then they are going to wonder why 1/4 of it's membership leaves the party in the next year.

[oldandhappy]

30. And people tell me I am immature and not really a Dem if I change my registration.

Cook County is like the DNC -- focusing only on Clinton and control.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

72. Some of the committeemen support Sanders. Chicago & Illinois are very political. Pro-Dem town.

They are very serious about their politics, very organized and they are all about the Democratic Party. They don't always do everything right......

[AzDar]

32. Lie, Cheat and Steal...

[warrprayer]

33. Wow

Unbelievable.

Kick and rec

[LS_Editor]

34. Just more people trying to take Bernie Sanders down. The corporate media has been at it since day 1.

The corporate media has tried ignoring Bernie and dismissing him as a socialist with no chance of beating Hillary Clinton. Expect more bullshit from them after the Michigan primary win. Satire warning.


Corporate Media to Begin Adding Fangs to Images of Bernie Sanders

WASHINGTON (The Nil Admirari) - Today, a confidential memo between American corporate media outlets was leaked to TNA. The memo ordered all outlets to add vampire fangs to all images of Bernie Sanders in response to his win in last night's Democratic primary election in Michigan, and his refusal to accept the narrative Hillary Clinton was the inevitable Democratic presidential nominee.

+

The memo continued, "Additionally, all media outlets must now add fangs to all images of Bernie Sanders, and advance the theory he may be a vampire. Highlight his pale skin and unusual energy level for a 74-year-old man."

More @ link...

[zentrum]

43. K&R

[d_legendary1]

44. This is why Chicago gets a bad rap for politics

Democrats getting in on that action is not cool.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. Some Ballots only have Bernies name on it and not Hillaries.

Depends on the ward and who they are endorsing.


http://www.carlosrosa.org/sampleballot2016

[SusanCalvin]

52. And they see nothing wrong with that?

This is the actual local Democratic party, right, not some outside organization?

I'm glad I don't live there.

[AtomicKitten]

57. Out of 50 wards, that makes two that made endorsements. Is that standard operating procedure?

I cannot find endorsements from any of the other 50 wards.

[lunasun]

68. not true but not pulling up all of them for you to proveit

Take this list with you when you vote to help you make an informed decision.

In the 49th Ward Democratic Party, the members of the party, not the elected officials, make the endorsement decisions. They are progressive-minded volunteers, not paid political workers. They make their endorsement decisions after hearing from all the candidates in an open and democratic process. As the 49th Ward Democratic Committeeman, I heartily support their recommendations.

Finally, we can use your help in the final weeks leading up to the election, as well as Election Day itself. These endorsements mean nothing unless people know about them. Your help is critical in getting the word out. Please reply to this email or call the 49th Ward Democratic Party at 773-973-4949 and we’ll sign you up!

Regardless of whom you support, I strongly encourage you to vote.
http://www.ward49.com/news/sample-ballot-issued-for-early-voting-including-judicial-elections/

Suggesting you vote for their endorsement does not equal tyranny

[AtomicKitten]

69. What's not true? I'm asking if all wards endorse because I can't find that info.

I'm not asking you to look anything up but simply to answer the question. Please educate us if you have information. I live in California. I have no clue what goes on in Chicago.

I will reiterate I think it is hugely inappropriate for endorsements coming from within the election machinery. I think it is critical that those running elections remain neutral. We saw quite the opposite of that from those running the caucuses in Iowa and Nevada.

[TexasBushwhacker]

58. The sample ballot should look like a real ballot PERIOD

It did here in Houston. In fact there were some other people listed besides Sanders and Clinton.

[AtomicKitten]

60. I completely agree with that. That's exactly how it should be for a free and fair election.

[Recursion]

71. Then there's not any point. You can get that from the board of elections

Sample ballots are to see the slate whoever put out the sample ballot endorsed.



I have, at least, learned from this that this apparently isn't as common all over the country as it is in DC...

[JI7]

74. it's very common in california

[SoapBox]

53. Are these really sample ballots

Or just Promotional flyers being put out by various groups.

I know that when we get closer to voting in CA, we will get a tidal wave of stuff in the mail...many times I look at it and wonder who is pushing what.

[SusanCalvin]

56. Yes, it would matter where it came from.

I'm not completely clear on that.

If it's from the party - no, no, no!

[Art_from_Ark]

76. This one is an official sample ballot

[MannyG]

70. This Is Silly

I'm from New Orleans & have seen many suggested ballots that only lists whoever the group endorses, sometimes both candidates if they have no preference. They are very helpful in races where there are a lot of items on the ballot.

People who receive them KNOW WHAT IT IS and often cross out & replace the groups suggestion if they want to go a different way in a particular race or on a particular amendment. Often times I would skim through 3-4 different suggested ballots stuck on my door (they were not allowed to be put in mailboxes), pick the one closest to how I intended to vote, then cross out the races I differed with the group.

This is much to do about nothing.

[JTFrog]

73. Mission accomplished.

If it's repeated often enough and with enough venom, people will buy into anything. Look at all the rage generated in this thread because people want to believe the worst.

[randome]

80. It's Tea-Party level of obfuscation and ignorance. A shame to see.

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Aspire to inspire.[/center][/font][hr]

[AtomicKitten]

81. Is there a reason you need to be so mean?

I posted something I found on Reddit with no comment about the piece. I have twice asked a naysayer to please educate us on the wards in Chicago. I live in California and have been unable to find or get a straight answer.

I'm really tired of the personal attacks on supporters. This is a political discussion board, but there are people here personally invested in their candidate such that they lash out as if the politician was a family member.

Instead of attacking the messenger, how about contributing something useful to the discussion and start with an explanation of the content of the OP and enlighten us. There is no need for your nasty, mean spirited comments. Try being a constructive part of the conversation instead of lobbying grenades from the sidelines.

[randome]

82. It was fully explained last week. This is not the first thread on the subject.

No insult intended but it's tiresome to see yet another 'conspiracy theory' rise from the ashes after it died last week. I apologize for the Tea Party reference. It was unnecessary.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]

[AtomicKitten]

87. I must have missed it.

Or forgot. My pain meds mess w/ my short term memory sometimes.

Thanks for your response. Peace.

[JTFrog]

90. So you'll let the 100 or so people who took this shit at face value know that the OP is bogus?

Maybe delete it and make some good faith effort not to trash and bash one of our candidates just because you can?

I'll hold my breath.

[JTFrog]

89. It's more than tiresome.

And the nasty and mean spirited comment is rich coming from that poster. Some folks are so nasty and mean spirited that the admin have to revoke some of their privileges.

Just sayin.... Take that comment with a grain of salt.

[Uncle Joe]

75. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, AtomicKitten.

[6chars]

77. more poutrage from Bernie supporters

[vintx]

85. Love your son's response!

K&R

[Bluenorthwest]

88. It is The Machine which is the first and primary rival of new progressive ideas and candidates

Today Harvey Milk is a civil rights icon and everyone is eager to stand proudly with him but when he ran for office his slogan was quite righteously "Harvey Milk vs. the Machine" meaning the Democratic Party Machine and for that matter the A-List Gays of SF at the time. The Establishment, straight and LGBT opposed Harvey Milk and stood proudly with The Machine until that position became untenable.....


" Running against the entrenched Democratic party apparatus on the campaign theme "Harvey Milk vs. the Machine," Milk lost yet again, by a mere 4,000 votes. By this time, however, he had established a formidable political machine of his own, the San Francisco Gay Democratic Club. In 1977, on his third try, Milk was finally elected to the Board of Supervisors, becoming the first openly gay elected official in the city's history."
http://www.encyclopedia.com/topic/Harvey_Milk.aspx

[SusanCalvin]

109. Thank you.