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Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:19 AM Mar 2016

As Rubio Falters, Will Neocons Bolt to Clinton?

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That this is even a possibility strikes some as newsworthy. It shouldn’t. Hillary Clinton agrees with the neoconservatives on a number of foreign policy issues and, as Michael Lind points out, a lot else. Neocons were never fully onboard with the fiscal conservatism of traditional conservatives and libertarians, and they merely tolerated the social conservatism of the Religious Right, chiefly because that movement provided the necessary foot soldiers to help elect their preferred candidates.

The real mystery isn’t why the neocons would return to the Democratic Party if the GOP were to nominate a skeptic of foreign intervention. Given the profound tensions on the right between the statist neoconservatives, and the small-government movement conservatives, the wonder is that they stayed in the GOP so long.

If the neoconservatives do bolt the GOP, a new conservative foreign policy might congeal around prudence, self-reliance and restraint. And if the neocons seek to fasten themselves once again to the GOP in four or eight years, after having helped elevate Hillary Clinton to the presidency, no one should be surprised if Republicans aren’t anxious to let them back in.
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As Rubio Falters, Will Neocons Bolt to Clinton? (Original Post) Attorney in Texas Mar 2016 OP
They already have. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #1
Why so you think Kissinger was making nice to Hillary? DJ13 Mar 2016 #2
The neocons are all ready firmly in Hillary Clinton's camp CoffeeCat Mar 2016 #3
The Neocons love H. Clinton as does the defense industry. nm rhett o rick Mar 2016 #4
Probably. no_hypocrisy Mar 2016 #5
The "Leadership" might but the rank and file Le Taz Hot Mar 2016 #6
No, I think they will mostly go for Cruz Nonhlanhla Mar 2016 #7

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
2. Why so you think Kissinger was making nice to Hillary?
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:43 AM
Mar 2016

She's already in that club.

Has been since the DLC was founded.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
3. The neocons are all ready firmly in Hillary Clinton's camp
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:51 AM
Mar 2016

The founder of the neocon movement, Robert Kagan, endorsed Hillary for President two weeks ago. Robert Kagan started PNAC with Bill Kristol. He endorsed Hillary for President over Marco Rubio.

It makes perfect sense that Kagan would endorse Hillary. Hillary named Robert Kagan as one of her Middle East foreign-policy advisers while she was Secretary of State.

Isn't that crazy? These neocon scumbags, who are the biggest war engineers of our lifetime, have all ready infiltrated the Democratic party. And it appears that Hillary Clinton opened the door, let them in, set the table and has been having a big party with them.

Look at what happened during her Secretary of State tenure. She was instrumental in getting rid of Gaddafi and now Libya is a former shell of itself and a failed state. Untold numbers of Libyans are fleeing into Europe. Libya is one of the countries that the neocons had on their wishlist. In their manifesto, "Rebuilding America's Defenses" they laid out (in 1996) that they wanted: Iraq, Iran, Syria and Libya.

So, not only did Clinton---with assistance from the founder of the neocon movement--hand Libya to the neocons--she is endorsed by their founder.

I don't know how much clearer it gets than that.

If you're interested in further reading, here's some articles. Everything I've said is fact and is discussed in these articles. Even Kagan's endorsement. It's very sick and sad that she brought this tripe into our party.

Are Neocons Getting Ready to Ally With Hillary Clinton?
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/06/opinion/sunday/are-neocons-getting-ready-to-ally-with-hillary-clinton.html?_r=0

Neocon Kagan Endorses Hillary
https://consortiumnews.com/2016/02/25/neocon-kagan-endorses-hillary-clinton/

First Republican for Clinton Over Trump Emerges (Robert Kagan)
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/02/first-republican-for-clinton-over-trump-emerges.html

Hillary Clinton Defends Her Failed War in Libya
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/10/hillary-clinton-debate-libya/410437/

PNAC Manifesto--Rebuilding America's Defenses
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/pdf/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf

Nonhlanhla

(2,074 posts)
7. No, I think they will mostly go for Cruz
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:25 AM
Mar 2016

We can already see some of them starting to move towards Cruz, much as they hate him.

Cruz is scary, even more so than Trump.

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