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Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
1. She deceived in that segment as well
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:18 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/videos/2016-03-10/clinton-on-possible-e-mail-indictment-that-s-not-gonna-happen

She suggested that Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice did the same thing.
a) They never had a server with classified information in their home

b) She's claiming all 2,100+ emails on her server were retroactively classified, which deceives because she discounts those emails that her department should have classified when they arrived and did not. The Inspector General of Intelligence has depositions to that effect - and all you have to do is look at the emails they classified with subjects like "Sudan Intel". So that's BS

c) What happened when Powell and Rice's Foundations got subpoenaed for information about donors who donated $5+ million and got assistance from the State Department? Whoops! that didn't happen to them - just the Clinton Foundation.

d) Did Powell and Rice delete 31,000 emails?
http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-recovered-clintons-deleted-emails-2015-9
And intriguingly, agents sifting through the (deleted) emails Clinton said were "personal" in nature have reportedly handed some over to investigators — indicating that they are relevant in at least some way to the FBI's ongoing investigation.

If those non personal emails that were found from the deleted batch had classified issues, Hillary has a problem with obstruction of justice.

Her spin that what she did is similar to Powell and Rice is deceiving.

grasswire

(50,130 posts)
3. PLUS
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:57 AM
Mar 2016

the "classified/not marked classified" defense is a canard. Her real trouble lies in instructing staff to copy marked classified text to plain paper so it could be transmitted in a manner not lawful for classified documents. Willfully, knowingly circumventing the law.

 

Electric Monk

(13,869 posts)
4. Wait, what? I'm sure you can back that up, and I'm looking forward to it.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:00 AM
Mar 2016

That's the first I've heard of that angle.

spin

(17,493 posts)
5. Obviously Hillary thinks she is totally above the law and can get away with ...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:27 AM
Mar 2016

any damn thing she wants.

The problem is that she is probably right and is too big to fail just like the Big Wall Street bankers she represents. None of them faced charges after they destroyed our ecomony and neither will Hillary.

That's what happens when you live in an oligarchy run by the 1%.



Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
6. I was reading more on the case of Clinton's CIA director who
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 03:31 AM
Mar 2016

was about to plead guilty for storing classified info on his laptop at home when Bill Clinton pardoned him.

They described him as one who surmised he was above the regulations and laws and could do as he pleased. When I read that earlier today, I wondered about Hillary and felt a similar sort of thing.

spin

(17,493 posts)
7. There is something called rule of law. In a well functioning representative democracy...
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:33 AM
Mar 2016

it applies equally to all.


Rule of Law

The rule of law is the legal principle that law should govern a nation, as opposed to being governed by arbitrary decisions of individual government officials. It primarily refers to the influence and authority of law within society, particularly as a constraint upon behavior, including behavior of government officials.[2] The phrase can be traced back to 16th century Britain, and in the following century the Scottish theologian Samuel Rutherford used the phrase in his argument against the divine right of kings.[3] The rule of law was further popularized in the 19th century by British jurist A. V. Dicey. The concept, if not the phrase, was familiar to ancient philosophers such as Aristotle, who wrote "Law should govern".[4]

Rule of law implies that every citizen is subject to the law, including law makers themselves. In this sense, it stands in contrast to an autocracy, dictatorship, or oligarchy where the rulers are held above the law. Lack of the rule of law can be found in both democracies and dictatorships, for example because of neglect or ignorance of the law, and the rule of law is more apt to decay if a government has insufficient corrective mechanisms for restoring it. Government based upon the rule of law is called nomocracy.(...emphasis added)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_law


In a government such as ours things start to rapidly run amok when those in charge feel they are above the law. Richard Nixon was one example. They begin to feel they rule us rather than work for us.



I lived through the Nixon years and I never want to see another president like him in the Oval Office again.
 

JayhawkSD

(3,163 posts)
2. Not to mention that it's a bogus defense anyway.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:44 AM
Mar 2016
"Other people did it too" is not a legitimate defense. Can you imagine that you've robbed a bank, gotten caught and are standing before the judge, and your defense is, "Well, Jesse James and John Dillinger did it too."
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