2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumReporting MSNBC Rachel Maddow
I have been watching Maddow for years and love her smart, thorough analysis of an issue.
Right in the beginning of the primaries, Bernie said that he will achieve his proposals because he will raise voter turnout. There was a article saying the Democratic turnout was low and Republican turnout was high. . .that was right after the first primary state, Iowa. Already trying to discredit him.
Rachel did at least 2 segments on different nights about Bernie's failure to raise turnout.
However, since that time, Bernie has won 3 states where those states said he broke the previous record for turnout. I think they were Kansas, Maine and Michigan.
When this started to happen I emailed Rachel and asked her if she was going to report that Bernie was actually starting to raise turnout. She has not.
With every state he broke the record for turnout, I emailed her asking her if she would correct this error. She has not.
Yesterday evening, she did a piece on voter turnout about how Trump was getting large turnout. I expected that this would be the time she would mention that Bernie has broken 3 records. But again, after saying that Trump had raised turnout for the Republicans, she said that Democratic turnout is still down.
What can be done? I mean, when even honest-to-a-fault Maddow refuses to give Bernie the credit he deserves. . . . that is shocking. Maybe others can try to email her about this . . . . . rachel at msnbc dot com
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)upon Comcast -- a major contributor to the Clinton campaign. Rachel says, or doesn't say, whatever is ordered by her corporate masters. Emailing her is an exercise in futility.
Wilms
(26,795 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)to quote the OP: "she said that Democratic turnout is still down."?
According to a 3/8/16 analysis by the Pew Research Center Dem voter turnout this year is 11.7% compared to 19.5% in 2008.
The reason for Rachel being a part of the conspiracy to spread this information -- is because it is true and she is a reporter. Sorry, but the facts need to fit your outrage and narrative if you want to be taken seriously.
Gwhittey
(1,377 posts)A journalist would tell it in context, that even tough we had record turn out in xyz states turn out is still low. Context is important.
Having a Headline "Man Eating Chicken found in deep south" Is true but is it Accurate?
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)musiclawyer
(2,335 posts)Watch TYT , free speech tv , democracy now.
The faster cable news dies the better America becomes
Watching is the problem not the solution
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)I finally got cable for the first time in years but only for the elections/debates. Other than that, I don't even turn it on. I get everything online.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)What I have been noticing lately is the attitude that it is okay to lie, to twist, to omit, to misrepresent - if it is in service to getting Hillary elected.
I have never been able to watch Maddow. The drawn-out teaser stuff reminds me of the "Your water may be dangerous! News at 11!" and "Is a killer loose in YOUR neighborhood? We will tell you at 11!" crap. Her mannerisms and her portentousness over what is usually nothing make her unwatchable to me.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Myrina
(12,296 posts)Her style drove me up the wall. And not in a good way.
Todays_Illusion
(1,209 posts)dragonfly301
(399 posts)but from what I'm reading on blogs, it appears that Rachel and Chris Hayes have sold out. You expect that kind of irresponsible slanted journalism from Tweety but it saddens me that Maddow and Hayes are doing it too.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)I think she's seen the writing on the wall and made her career choice.
tokenlib
(4,186 posts)DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)Would have been a better way to put it. The point is the same.
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)CincyDem
(6,351 posts)...in spite be being one of, if not the top draw in MSNBC's commentator line-up, Rachel is still an employee. I think she's a brilliant student and analyst of political environments including the corporate political environment. I'm sure nobody has told her to bend her coverage one way or another and if they did, I'm sure she would react with integrity.
At the same time, she can easily look at the changes that Comcast has brought to MSNBC. She can easily read what those changes mean for the overall message track at MSNBC. And she can see how her message needs to fit into it.
I've watched her since the day she started at MSNBC and listened to her on Air America before that. I think she's great. At the same time, I think she's laser focused on retaining her voice in the fray...even if it's only 80-90-95% of the voice she might want because of her corporate sponsors.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)A couple years ago, I tuned out of cable news. Life, time, preference in online reading vs opinion news. Recently checking back in to cable for election coverage.
And there was Rachel. I always liked her. Loved her show even. I can remember being so excited, I could barely contain it when she made the leap to cable. But here is where I'm going to disagree with you. While I'm sure that she was astute enough to see the writing on the wall, I think she either fell in line or sold out for either personal or professional gain.
After listening to her lately, she's lost all credibility in my eyes. She, above Schultz, Olbermann, all of them was the most fact based in her approach, imho. She shared her opinion, but presented the facts clearly. That Rachel is gone. All I could think was, Damn. I was one of her cheerleaders. Such a let down. Now she sits on the shelf of ethical has beens with Gov. Dean.
CincyDem
(6,351 posts)I think she's bending to the corporate will. My point was that I'm not sure someone had to hit her on the head with a baseball bat to bend her but she has bent.
I'm not sure I go as far as calling her an ethical has been but I don't have her on the same pedestal she was on before.
That's hard when we've followed her up the line.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)She's now part of the A-team she gets to rub elbows on a regular basis with Chris Matthews, Brian Williams, Chuck Todd, and maybe even Tom Brokaw once in awhile. Pretty heady stuff and she isn't about to say anything to jeopardize that.
You may yearn for a return to the MSNBC of the Keith Olbermann days but that will never happen. It's Comcast all the way now and you know what that means.
casperthegm
(643 posts)I used to watch CNN but felt there was a bias there, particularly with the inclusion of the super delegates in the overall count. So I switched to MSNBC to give them a try, only to experience what the op has posted. What ever happened to simply reporting the news in a straightforward, unbiased manner? Is there no place to get the actual news any more?
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)MgtPA
(1,022 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)the mass killing was taking place in Rwanda, I'd say the ability to demonstrate selective outrage and only look at selective facts would be a plus.
jehop61
(1,735 posts)who is a progressive, but not in the tank for Bernie, left that Bernie-folks haven't thrown under the bus yet?
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)and it becomes an "issue"?
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)News is unbiased... anything presented as news with an intact bias, is not news...but propaganda.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)the OP thought should have been included but wasn't.
no bias. not an issue. just someone trying to make an issue out of literally nothing.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)left-of-center2012
(34,195 posts)She gets giddy when talking about Hillary
Pisces
(5,599 posts)more do you want. The Republicans are up.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)in 3 states Bernie broke records. . . Yes numbers don't lie and I don't think those states lied about their numbers. Get it? Bernie broke the records in those 3 states, just like he said.
Lucinda
(31,170 posts)so instead of splitting them between several candidates, as occurred in 08, it was basically split between BS and HRC, and a few to MOM. But the overall numbers this year were lower than in 08. I suspect the same thing applies to the other states you are talking about. Good numbers for a two person race, but not increased turnout.
beaglelover
(3,466 posts)delegates than Bernie. Hillary will be the D nominee in November. That is the truth.
pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Oh, and get a big stockpile of chocolate to help you through.
Uglystick
(88 posts)beaglelover
(3,466 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Good luck with that one - didn't work for the Flat Earth Society.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)"the truth" of Hillary's inevitability is a bit more in question these days....
donut?
malthaussen
(17,187 posts)It is not a truth. Conditionals can not be truths.
-- Mal
ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)Because of all the red states that voted for her.
jillan
(39,451 posts)No longer exists. Try CNN. Even Wolf Blitzer shows Bernie more respect than Maddow.
Tweety, Rachel, Hayes......
MSNBC is gone forever.
latebloomer
(7,120 posts)and seem to be blind to her obvious failings, even when pointed out to them. Seems like they see her as a heroine. Could this be the reason for Rachel's support? Though I'm not discounting the sold-out-to-Comcast aspect.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)onecaliberal
(32,826 posts)She's a sellout. She's a corporate propaganda spreading mouthpiece.
noamnety
(20,234 posts)Public shaming seems to be the only way to get results - IF a person or company is willing to change. Twitter, facebook, blog comments that are read by others might have more effect than a private email.
Nitram
(22,791 posts)Didn't toe the Party line.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)sometimes, just like a soap opera, their character gets a change of direction...
you want news?....go to Amy Goodman, among others...but don't look for news journalists on the M$M...
it is just entertainment...a sad excuse for entertainment....
Loki
(3,825 posts)I doubt that Edward R Murrow would pass the loyalty test of the BS followers.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)I will never watch her again...she's a complete BIASED disappointment.
abelenkpe
(9,933 posts)You're never going to get anything except news that supports their corporate interests. Ditch cable. It's a ripoff anyway. And losing revenue is the only thing corporations understand v
Dem2
(8,168 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)It used to be our source of good info, but not anymore. It is NOT news, but opinions/propaganda. Someone mentioned Amy Goodman. She's great, as is Thom Hartmann, Larry King and Ed Schultz.
Nite Owl
(11,303 posts)used to watch her but quit MSNBC after the firings last year. The only time I watched was for the Dem debate they sponsored. She has totally changed, who knows if this is the real Rachel or the other one was the real one. All about the $$$$$$$$$ now.
erlewyne
(1,115 posts)with MSNBC and the DNC. She used to be my favorite
but I never expect to watch her again ... like MSNBC.
The DNC has to get rid of its DINO's and it has more than
a few.
ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)In praise of Lying Brian, her paycheck takes priority over the truth. Money tends to corrupt, remember? Just like Lobbyist Howard Dean and the Dollar.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Michigan win. The rest was all GOP, all the time. Fucking disgraceful.
artislife
(9,497 posts)I don't watch any of them except forclips here and there. That being said, I remember early in 2008, she was kind of torn between Obama and Hillary. She said she had a lot of friends who were upset she wasn't coming down on this young upstart to hilary. I think she always liked her and now more than ever, it is her turn in her mind.
So in conclusion, I think she was always very fond of hillary and now she wants her to win.
leveymg
(36,418 posts)DemocracyNow! is a proven good thing. MSNBC was always just slick packaging.
Watch the latter, now and then, just to pick up on the latest meme and that they are still just operating with smoke and mirrors. Now just another CNN clone.
OwlinAZ
(410 posts)It is MSNBC in general. It is not just MSNBC it is the cable news industry.
None of the cable news channels are anything but corporate shills.
Even Lawrence O'Donnell of MSNBC has lost his nerve and conscience.
Believe it or not, the old channels still give us some real news and I've gone back to watching them.
madokie
(51,076 posts)In case you hadn't noticed. I'm sure that has something to do with it.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)In this household, we're now watching cnn.
houston16revival
(953 posts)Money
Close elections drive viewer interest and political advertising revenues
They will do anything to keep it close and in the political middle or middle right as we know
Land Shark
(6,346 posts)George Wallace right after being shot and the sympathy vote that followed. But no mention I heard of Sanders, his win in Michigan, or anything else. She found nothing in that historic upset win by Sanders except the bright spot of turnout.
Don't know that I've ever heard something as one-sided as her coverage. She should reaign, in protest if she is under pressure, or in shame if not. Fox is more "fair and balanced."