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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:19 PM Mar 2016

How Clinton used my reporting to make a bogus attack on Sanders

"After being ignored by presidential debate moderators throughout the entire campaign thus far, climate change finally got some attention at Wednesday night’s Democratic debate. And the topic provoked a surprisingly controversial remark — one accidentally inspired by yours truly.

Hillary Clinton’s response to a climate question included this claim: “The Clean Power Plan is something that Sen. Sanders has said he would delay implementing.”

On its face, that looks to be just plain wrong. Digging deeper, it turns out to be a misleading interpretation of a very different Sanders proposal — one first reported by me."


http://grist.org/climate-energy/how-clinton-used-my-reporting-to-make-a-bogus-attack-on-sanders/

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How Clinton used my reporting to make a bogus attack on Sanders (Original Post) NWCorona Mar 2016 OP
Good article Jarqui Mar 2016 #1
Thanks! NWCorona Mar 2016 #3
Low information voters are easily conned by expert grifters Doctor_J Mar 2016 #2
Exactly! NWCorona Mar 2016 #4
to be fair, you do really have to read quite a bit to find out the truth and thanks dana_b Mar 2016 #8
Quite sad, isn't it? n/t Herman4747 Mar 2016 #10
Yes, not many check Sanders' misleading and "artful" statements about Hillary. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #5
Bwahaha! Maybe you should click on the link and read before posting! You would look, ummm ... ebayfool Mar 2016 #7
not many check Sanders' misleading and "artful" statements about Hillary. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #15
And just which misleading statements would you like for me to check? INdemo Mar 2016 #18
Is someone stopping you? n/t ljm2002 Mar 2016 #19
Rec'd! Excellent find - and surprise, surprise ... Clinton's inartful (not even artful!) smear. ebayfool Mar 2016 #6
She has ran a dishonest campaign SHRED Mar 2016 #9
Truth! NWCorona Mar 2016 #13
Shades of 2008. AlbertCat Mar 2016 #16
K & R !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #11
Good article, & so glad that other folks are finally confirming that Bernie is the one being smeared highprincipleswork Mar 2016 #12
Me too! NWCorona Mar 2016 #14
K&R.........................Good Post............the record is getting clearer........Thanks ...... turbinetree Mar 2016 #17
It's obvious that opposition research on Sanders has been quite difficult HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #20
What? Hillary committed an artful smear against Bernie? Surely that can't be possible! nt tblue37 Mar 2016 #21
Surprise Surprise..... jillan Mar 2016 #22
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Mar 2016 #23

dana_b

(11,546 posts)
8. to be fair, you do really have to read quite a bit to find out the truth and thanks
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:51 PM
Mar 2016

to the OP for pointing out this article.

This is the part that talks about the delay and what would happen if Sanders couldn't get his expanded plan through congress. Also it talks about how Clinton tried to use this against him:

"If a Sanders administration determined that expanding the CPP to cover methane would require significantly delaying the rule or threatening its viability, then they just wouldn’t do it.

“Our thinking was to get as much out of the Clean Power Plan as possible, not to impede its progress,” says Karthik Ganapathy, a Sanders campaign spokesman.

The way Clinton phrased her comment at the debate was especially disingenuous. Rather than saying that Sanders has proposed changes to the CPP that would require delaying its implementation — which would be technically defensible — she accused him of simply proposing to delay it, as if that were the whole point."

So he isn't trying to hurt the current plan at all. There are judges that are willing to work with this administration on it now that may not be there if/when Sanders is President. He can't depend on them and so he would probably have to try and get his expanded plan through congress or use Presidential powers (which he said that he wouldn't do here).

Anyway, it's fascinating, and again irritating, to see how the Clinton campaign twists his words and plans for their benefit. So disingenuous.

 

Jitter65

(3,089 posts)
5. Yes, not many check Sanders' misleading and "artful" statements about Hillary.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

Just too easy to let them stand.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
7. Bwahaha! Maybe you should click on the link and read before posting! You would look, ummm ...
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:45 PM
Mar 2016

smarter?



on edit: to preserve for posterity the above response

"Yes, not many check Sanders' misleading and "artful" statements about Hillary. Just too easy to let them stand."

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
15. not many check Sanders' misleading and "artful" statements about Hillary.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:19 PM
Mar 2016

I'm sure they will.... if he ever makes one.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
6. Rec'd! Excellent find - and surprise, surprise ... Clinton's inartful (not even artful!) smear.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 03:43 PM
Mar 2016

snip/

Nonetheless, there is more to this story than just the Clinton campaign trying to mislead Democratic primary voters into thinking she is to Sanders’ left on climate change. There is also a real policy disagreement between the candidates. On Wednesday, immediately after claiming Sanders wants to delay the CPP, Clinton said, “We need to implement all of the president’s executive actions and quickly move to make a bridge from coal to natural gas to clean energy.”

Whereas Sanders thinks the current CPP’s implicit promotion of natural gas is a bug, Clinton sees it as a feature. Clinton simply doesn’t agree with Sanders that ramping up natural gas use is something best avoided. Clinton reasons that gas is better than coal: when burned, it emits half as much carbon as coal, and dramatically less conventional pollution.

But environmentalists have been moving away from this view over the last few years as the air and water quality risks of fracking have come to light, as well as the high rate of methane leakage that happens before natural gas gets to power plants. Methane is a far more potent greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide in the near term.

Perhaps the most telling thing about Clinton’s comment on Wednesday isn’t about her climate policies at all. It’s that Sanders has her sufficiently nervous and defensive that her campaign is drawing on a little-known writer’s article on an environmental news website to concoct an attack on Sanders that pretends to come from the left. Climate hawks could see this as an ironically good sign. Clinton clearly feels the need to neutralize the threat from Sanders on climate, which means the issue has some salience — at least among Democrats.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
16. Shades of 2008.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 05:23 PM
Mar 2016

She has run a campaign devoid of ideas.... that haven't already been tried. But she'll use them, advocate for them whether they worked or not anyway. It's kinda weird.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
17. K&R.........................Good Post............the record is getting clearer........Thanks ......
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:00 PM
Mar 2016

Honk---------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
20. It's obvious that opposition research on Sanders has been quite difficult
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 06:25 PM
Mar 2016

Almost everything the manure-movers have found has depended on an interpretation so twisted that is downright misleading.

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