Hillary's memory problem, is this a sign of something else being wrong with her

[awake]

Today was not the 1st time that Hillary's memory has failed her, among others there was that story in 2008 about running for cover under gunfire in Bosnia, are these signs of a greater medical problem? It seem that all to often her statements on past events do not aline with the truth. I can only conclude that ether Hillary has a real problem with her memory or her experience of events that happen around her do not match what normal people experience.

[laruemtt]

1. Either way,

I would say this should render her unfit for the presidency of the most powerful country in the world.

[revbones]

2. If you try to hold so many simultaneous contradictory positions

it's bound to have effects on you and what you say. She tells one crowd one thing and then another something completely different. That would eventually affect the most mentally agile of us all in trying to keep things being said straight.

[tularetom]

28. "A liar should have a good memory"

Marcus Fabius Quintilianus, who died in AD 95, said that, and now, 1921 years later, its still valid.

[Maedhros]

3. I don't believe this to be a problem with her memory. [n/t]

[awake]

5. Then is it because her experience of the world is so different than most people?

Or is there another explanation?

[Maedhros]

9. She will just say whatever she thinks

A: People want to hear
B: Bolsters her egotistical view of herself
C: Furthers her political career

I don't think she means ANY of it. For example, Sanders supporters point out her "marriage is between a man and a woman" statement from 2013 as proof of her opposition to gay marriage, and Clinton supporters point out how she's "evolved". Her true feelings are known only to her, but in each case she isn't sincere - she's just saying what she thinks will poll the best.

[awake]

15. Ah so she "remembers" what ever she feels others will like to hear happened

That could explain it, I am sure many other politicians also suffer from this type of "memory recall" issue.

[Maedhros]

18. With respect to the Nancy Reagan/AIDS gaffe, she was just pandering to the Reagan lovers. [n/t]

[awake]

19. Ah her true base

[Betty Karlson]

35. I'm afraid so. Hence the solid support of DINO-Debbie. eom

[morningfog]

26. I think she believes that the Reagans were great on AIDS policies.

I think that was the glimpse of her authentic self. When she had her ass handed to her she "misspoke."

[BernieforPres2016]

4. Her political instincts are to puff up her resume and pander to whatever audience is watching

It's not a memory problem.

[HooptieWagon]

6. Maybe it's a server problem. Nt

[DebbieCDC]

8. DUZY

[Mike__M]

12. Wipe it with a cloth

that will fix it.

[bigwillq]

23. Bwah

[m-lekktor]

27. lol.nt

[H2O Man]

33. Hilarious!

[Merryland]

7. the thing that's wrong with her

is almost a compulsion to self-aggrandize. Linking herself with Nancy Reagan implies the 2 of them worked together on AIDS crisis though that's not stated. She acts as if she knew Nancy well - doubtful, I'd think.

[Mika]

10. ¡BASTA!

[ThePhilosopher04]

11. Her Bullshit switch is stuck in the on position

and had been for years. Whatever pops in her noggin that sounds good at the time comes out.

[Major Nikon]

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[Jarqui]

14. Just now, I was thinking something similar

The odd thing about this one is it was an unforced error. There was no obvious motive to lie like there usually is.

The Bosnia sniper fairy tale came about when the media called her on her 3AM ad. The media wanted to know some examples of when she had taken that type of call or had to make that sort of decision. Her campaign couldn't come up with any. So her response was the Bosnia tale and a gross exaggeration of her involvement in the Irish peace process. The media fact checked and debunked both lies/deceptions

Add that lie about NAFTA and her candidacy was effectively over.

During Hillary's time as Secretary of State, Huma Abedin emailed about Hillary being 'often confused'. Maybe this is part of the problem. But it is a concerning quality to have in a president when they can't remember facts with reliability or they are "often confused" when that "3AM Call" comes in.

Put that together with the frequency of lies and deceptions which are excessive or very abnormal and we're getting into the territory of compulsive or pathological. To me, she lies more than Tricky Dick and is probably the Washington politician with the most documented lies in US history.

Is it a health issue? Only a doctor and her can answer that. Like the indictment question, I wouldn't hold my breath.

[awake]

17. Thank you so I am not the only one to be concerned about Hillary being "often confused"

and making "misstatements" ect...

[Jarqui]

21. She did suffer a fairly serious head injury and blood clot

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/11/30/hillary-aide-seeks-nfl-concussion-advice.html

Is that connected? Only her doctor can say.

But here's one other and probably the most likely:

I have been very critical of Hillary when she lies because I can't stand it. It's insulting and rotten, low behavior from someone in her position. But I tried to put myself in her shoes (not a bad idea to do with anyone you are thinking about - not a bad idea to sincerely try to get more on their perspective from their perspective). So I tried more than once.

Here's a fairly complete list offhand of what I thought of as coming at Hillary:
- she's a Mom and a wife - both of the others can take care of themselves but maybe she has to worry a little about Bill's third keg ...
- Darryl Issa and the House are breathing down her ass for Benghazi and emails
- that triggers the Inspector General of the State Dept to look into it
- that triggers the Inspector General of the Intelligence Community to look into it
- Now the FBI right up to the director and CIA is on her ass
- one of her employees who pleaded the 5th got immunity - he's talking and
- from that the Justice Dept is in on it and from that maybe a Grand Jury
- the FBI got a lot of her deleted emails - some of it maybe personally embarrassing stuff the House and Senate may get to read
- Judicial Watch is suing everyone in sight for every piece of paper or data related to her time as secretary pf state - including for Huma's, Cheryl's and Sullivan's emails
- and as part of one of those suits, they're going after close members of her staff to testify soon
- the Senate Judicial Committee is coming after her right hand people: Huma and Cheryl
- she's probably trying to keep Huma or Cheryl together because they're cracking under the pressure
- that book on Clinton Cash comes out and it helps spawn a whole bunch of eyebrow raising media articles
- that spawn subpoenas to the Clinton Foundation on donors (who might be getting a little nervous) and for information on Huma's work there
- The GOP launch two lawsuits
- her connections at the White House are probably pressuring for some insight into what is going on with all this stuff

Meanwhile, all she's doing is running a campaign to be the next President of the United States where she has to get up much earlier to get all the makeup and hair done so she doesn't look 68 years old, answer all the questions from staff and her lawyers fighting all the legal stuff, hear the odd secret service report about nuts who want to kill her, look fresh and cheery while delivering speeches in front of TV cameras daily all over the country in between jet rides, rebut shots from the GOP and Sanders campaigns and in the evening she has to smile and do her fundraisers because it's the only way to keep up with Bernie. As the most famous woman in the world, the public is all over her everywhere she goes as it has been for about two decades plus... and last but not least, so is the media who basically follows her around. And she gets darn near no days off since last spring.

Is that a stressful life? One thing no one can take away from her: she is one tough cookie to hold up as well as she has under all that pressure. She's got it coming at her from every direction. That part of being president she's proved she can handle. But to my point:

She is 68 years old and has been working for about 9 months straight, day and night under a massive amount of stress. Do that long enough, you can get so mentally tired, you can't see straight. Maybe it caught up with her and she got her memory wires crossed.

Maybe that confusion Huma talked about was from a Secretary of State with massive jet lag from setting records flying all over the world trying to do her job.

To me, this is the most plausible explanation.

[Betty Karlson]

34. In other words: she can't handle the stress that would come with a 4 year presidency.

If what you say is right, she should concede the race, and leave the nomination to the 74 year old who (even though her acolytes have been throwing kitchen sinks, gutters and septic tanks at him) has not ONCE mispoken, can still tell right from wrong, and has the physical fitness to conduct a presidential campaign without the help of super-PACS and win surprising upsets in spite of a concerted media black-out.

[Jarqui]

36. I'm not as sure. I like Bernie more but I'm trying to be fair.

I think she's 100 times sharper than Reagan ... but so were most presidents. And she's sharper than either Bush. (I though George W was the dumbest of my lifetime)

Bernie's running a campaign and so is she. But she's got an awful lot of stuff going on besides that which Bernie does not. I'd be on the edge of my seat if 100+ FBI agents were pouring all over my emails - work and personal for the past four years. I'm not a criminal - never have been and I can't think of anything they would find but still, when you've got that many law enforcement people looking over everything and the other party, I probably wouldn't be sleeping very well - knowing some of it could be turned into some innuendo.

Now, I quickly concede with the emails and Clinton Foundation, she has no one to blame but herself. Her judgement on those and the Iraq war is arguably more disqualifying.

On this particular thing, if she worked herself into a bit of a stupor, is that really a crime. If it is, I should go to jail because I've done it too - several times.

These are human beings - not robots. I hate her lying but this, I do not see much motive here (yes, I've seen some theories but don't buy them). I bet every president could tell you about days like this - and where they messed up if they were honest and forthright about it. This isn't a 3 hour super bowl. It's a 24/7, 365 days per year for four year marathon. Some days, you're going to be mentally tired.

[Betty Karlson]

40. If she can't juggle the following:

a) GOP opposition (as evidenced by their desire to find fault with her e-mails)
b) private interests like e-mail and foundation, but unwillingness to concede either
c) a campaign
d) some other stuff,

then she is not qualified to be president, because at ANY point in time Obama had more on his plate.

a) GOP opposition (birth certificate, nominees fillibustered at infinitum)
b) private interests like, oh I don't know... his wife and children? And the attcks on them?
c) occasional campaigns
d) mass shootings
e) extrajudicial murdes of PoC by the police
f) debt ceilings
g) you name it.

[Jarqui]

41. After her lie about Bernie not supporting her effort for Hillarycare,

I cannot argue this any more.

She's a chronic liar with mental issues of some kind. I'm not a doctor so I don't know what exactly the problem is. But I question her mental health. She appears to have a problem.

[Betty Karlson]

42. More than one. Agreed.

[Sunlei]

29. interesting video, I didn't realize they underwent corkscrew? landings? and canceled the lg. outdoor

I don't think I'd have the nerve to even go there if there was a remote chance of a sniper.

The second part about the Clinton Obama primary is interesting too.

[pdsimdars]

16. Great movie on HBO about that called "Away From Her" starring Julie Christie

[Holly_Hobby]

20. She's got the Brian Williams disease n/t

[sadoldgirl]

22. There is nothing wrong with her, imo.

She has lived so long in a bubble, that she has
not connected with the people and their experiences.

She wanted to say something nice about the Reagans,
but -having no contact with the LGBT community - she
chose the wrong item. Do not forget that the woman has
not driven a car for years, nor taken a taxi.

She lives in a totally different world than you or me,
which means she is unable to connect the "dots".

[awake]

24. that is a good point

that explains why she believed that she and Bill were "broke" when they left the White House.

[Arugula Latte]

38. That's similar to when Bush the elder was prez and saw a grocery scanner and flipped out.

They had been around for years, but he'd never experienced them, 'cuz he lived in The Bubble.

[greymouse]

25. maybe just abysmal ignorance, as in the case of Libya

although moral turpitude was also involved in the latter.

[grasswire]

30. I thought about this but I didn't want to say it.

There was that real medical problem. Was it a stroke? A "clot"? I don't know.

But making stuff up when it will hurt you is not a sign of health.

[democrattotheend]

31. That is what I am wondering

I really can't figure out what she would have stood to gain politically by making the statement she made. Obviously, it offended those of us who care about AIDS and GLBT rights, but it probably also offended some "Reagan Democrats" by tying the Reagans to a cause they don't support. So I am not sure who the statement could have been calculated to appeal to. But at the same time, it seems odd that she would be so ignorant of history.

One possibility is that Nancy Reagan lobbied her husband to address the AIDS crisis in a way that the general public doesn't know about. Another possibility is that she is having memory lapses, which is disturbing for someone who wants to be president.

[Betty Karlson]

32. How about she needs top keep her "memory" away from presidential decision-making?

Because this kind of delusional revisionist excusing of homophobia shouldn't sit very well with anyone who cares about gay lives.

[Motown_Johnny]

37. She doesn't seem to care about what is true or factual.

She only cares about what might benefit her at the moment.

She wanted to praise a fellow First Lady so she just made something up and went with it. Considering what was true never enters her thought process.



The same can be seen with her attacks on Bernie and on Obama when he ran against her. Reality just doesn't matter.

[PonyUp]

39. Too many brain farts to be President. n/t