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riversedge

(69,708 posts)
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:08 PM Mar 2016

Hillary apologizes for her comments about the Reagan's recordon HIV/AIDS

Thank you Hillary for the apology. It takes courage to do this.

I hope we can put this to rest. People make mistakes--we all do.



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Hillary Clinton’s statement on her comments about the Reagans' record on HIV and AIDS:


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Hillary apologizes for her comments about the Reagan's recordon HIV/AIDS (Original Post) riversedge Mar 2016 OP
The way the Reagans handled the AIDS crisis is one of the most shameful periods in our history. PeaceNikki Mar 2016 #1
I give Hillary credit for apologizing... even if it was a little late in coming. InAbLuEsTaTe Mar 2016 #29
How many died because of the Reagans? artislife Mar 2016 #33
She said she 'misspoke' but she did not clarify by speaking accurately to Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #47
Fair enough NWCorona Mar 2016 #2
Good. mythology Mar 2016 #3
The damage is done Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #4
Only if you and others continue to riversedge Mar 2016 #12
so you are the apologistice spokesman for Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #13
NOT IMPRESSED. She is either stupid to begin with... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #5
Those who already hate her won't care. I appreciate the apology. yardwork Mar 2016 #6
Yeah............ Go Nancy and Ron Ichingcarpenter Mar 2016 #14
How about instead of her just saying she misspoke revbones Mar 2016 #7
How does one know it is a SINCERE apology? Herman4747 Mar 2016 #8
Yeah, that's bullshit. winter is coming Mar 2016 #9
There was no courage in that. libtodeath Mar 2016 #10
It's good that she apologized, but what I don't get The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2016 #11
I did not see the original source, if it was in a speech, it should have been fact checked, but hollysmom Mar 2016 #16
How out of touch must one be ... ThePhilosopher04 Mar 2016 #15
I apologize that we have politicians as bad as the Clintons and Reagans bigwillq Mar 2016 #17
She also used that same word, "misspoke" when she describing how she was under sniper fire... Herman4747 Mar 2016 #18
LOL nice spin. nt Logical Mar 2016 #19
It doesn't take courage to do what you have no choice about doing. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #20
More clumsy staff work. Her comments should have been prepared and NCjack Mar 2016 #21
Well sometimes when people apoligize silenttigersong Mar 2016 #22
Misspoke. Lol. nt RedCappedBandit Mar 2016 #23
quite right bigtree Mar 2016 #24
Did you verbally say this on camera? Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #25
She really needs to work on her CYA "apologies". Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #26
How is that a misspeak? It's a lie or she's lying now. morningfog Mar 2016 #27
A "mistake" is "Oops, I meant six, not eight." or "My bad, I meant '71, not '73". cherokeeprogressive Mar 2016 #28
Shows character. K & R nt Persondem Mar 2016 #30
True, it does show her character...nt artislife Mar 2016 #34
So what kind of character does this take? Persondem Mar 2016 #35
How much character does it take to clusterbomb villages? nt artislife Mar 2016 #36
That's some crazy kind of hyperbole there. But whatever helps you sleep at night. Persondem Mar 2016 #41
It isn't and I don't sleep well when I think of her history. nt artislife Mar 2016 #44
Glad she did Dem2 Mar 2016 #31
Had she not apologized, Sanders supporters would still be demanding an apology EffieBlack Mar 2016 #39
NOT GOOD ENOUGH HILLARY!!!! Kalidurga Mar 2016 #32
Sanders farts and its a nonstop 6 month long Camp Hillary OUTRAGEEEEEEEEE! Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #37
She sure has to admit she is wrong a lot. n/t FourScore Mar 2016 #38
It's not like she was wrong pokerfan Mar 2016 #40
"I misspoke" does not equal "I was wrong to say that". Ken Burch Mar 2016 #42
Well, she is STILL wrong/lying/misspeaking - I'm repeating my original thoughts when Nancy died... ebayfool Mar 2016 #43
It was a mistake. So was her "apology." Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #45
Not good enough Hillary!!!!!! Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #46

PeaceNikki

(27,985 posts)
1. The way the Reagans handled the AIDS crisis is one of the most shameful periods in our history.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:08 PM
Mar 2016

I'm shocked and embarrassed that she wasn't keenly aware of that. However, I'm glad she apologized without making excuses.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,110 posts)
29. I give Hillary credit for apologizing... even if it was a little late in coming.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
33. How many died because of the Reagans?
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:26 PM
Mar 2016

Everyone knows, especially the proclaimed "smartest person in the room". There is no way she didn't know.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
47. She said she 'misspoke' but she did not clarify by speaking accurately to
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:03 AM
Mar 2016

counter her 'error'. To make no excuses would require her admitting it was very insulting and highly inaccurate and taking the time to tell American the facts about Ron and Nancy and that shameful history. As it stands her apology was not an apology nor an explanation nor a correction, it was just an excuse and dismissal of the issue.

But thanks for not trying to down play the Reagan era.

I'd like to mention here that basically the only straight people who were joining the early AIDS demonstrations were Pro Choice women. There was a reason they did so.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
5. NOT IMPRESSED. She is either stupid to begin with...
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:12 PM
Mar 2016
...naturally duplicitous when pandering, or both.
 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
7. How about instead of her just saying she misspoke
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

that she actually state the truth about the Reagans then and truly try to counter that?

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
9. Yeah, that's bullshit.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:14 PM
Mar 2016

The Reagans were advocates for stem cell research, but they didn't "start a national conversation" about it.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,267 posts)
11. It's good that she apologized, but what I don't get
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:15 PM
Mar 2016

is how on God's green earth she could have made such a YUUGE, off-the-charts false statement in the first place? Here's what she said:

It may be hard for your viewers to remember how difficult it was for people to talk about HIV/AIDS back in the 1980s and because of both president and Mrs. Reagan — in particular Mrs. Reagan — we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it, nobody wanted to do anything about it, and that too is something I really appreciate with her very effective low-key advocacy. It penetrated the public conscience and people began to say, hey, we have to do something about this too.


When did completely ignoring an enormous public health problem become "low-key advocacy"? It's hard to get any more "low-key" than that. Nancy Reagan even refused to help her old friend Rock Hudson when he was dying of the disease. "Low-key advocacy," my fat pink ass. If some young staffer who didn't remember the '80s had come up with this canard as a written statement it might be understandable (and easier to disavow), but those words came out of Hillary's own mouth. Did she even read a newspaper between 1980 and 1988?

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
16. I did not see the original source, if it was in a speech, it should have been fact checked, but
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:28 PM
Mar 2016

a lot of that seems to be going around today, if it was an off the cuff remark it is different.
the thing is, I guess my life is not busy enough, but I remember clearer than day the call for Reagans to act and their playing dumb. I am the same age as Clinton but not in as good a shape.

 

Herman4747

(1,825 posts)
18. She also used that same word, "misspoke" when she describing how she was under sniper fire...
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:32 PM
Mar 2016

...in Bosnia, in the 1990s.



So the question is then "Is 'misspoke' Clinton-speak' for LIED?

Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
20. It doesn't take courage to do what you have no choice about doing.
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

Oh, ok, she could have doubled down on it. Give me a break.

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
21. More clumsy staff work. Her comments should have been prepared and
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 09:02 PM
Mar 2016

reviewed for accuracy and appropriateness.

bigtree

(85,915 posts)
24. quite right
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:04 PM
Mar 2016

...don't hold your breath expecting the 'liar, liar' campaign the Sanders folks are running to drop this.

A good string of victories, though should put this on the back pages.

 

cherokeeprogressive

(24,853 posts)
28. A "mistake" is "Oops, I meant six, not eight." or "My bad, I meant '71, not '73".
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:09 PM
Mar 2016

It wasn't a mistake, and it wasn't misspeaking. She said exactly what she meant to say. It was a PARAGRAPH for fuck's sake.

It was a miscalculation, and I bet she had NO idea it was a miscalculation until her staffers told her Twitter and other social media sites were melting down.

So excuse me if I call bullshit.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
39. Had she not apologized, Sanders supporters would still be demanding an apology
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 11:33 PM
Mar 2016

She apologizes and they now say an apology isn't good enough.

You are right. To people who hate her, nothing she says or do will ever be acceptable. Fortunately for them, their candidate is absolutely perfect in every way so he never makes any mistakes.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
37. Sanders farts and its a nonstop 6 month long Camp Hillary OUTRAGEEEEEEEEE!
Fri Mar 11, 2016, 10:57 PM
Mar 2016

So no, nice try, but no free pass on this one.

pokerfan

(27,677 posts)
40. It's not like she was wrong
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 12:22 AM
Mar 2016

She just "misspoke," that's all.

She meant to say that the Reagan White House thought AIDS was a "gay plague," a big joke and that Nancy turned her back on Rock Hudson when he reached out for help.

It just came out as “And because of both President and Mrs. Reagan – in particular, Mrs. Reagan – we started a national conversation, when before nobody would talk about it."

A misstatement like that can happen to anyone.

ebayfool

(3,411 posts)
43. Well, she is STILL wrong/lying/misspeaking - I'm repeating my original thoughts when Nancy died...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 01:16 AM
Mar 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027665549#post5


Nancy Reagan was the epitome of how the right likes their women:

vacuous and submissive - forever in service to a man. I'll give Nancy respect for her devotion to her husband (caring for someone with Alzheimer's is not an easy or pleasant thing to do). She had done some work for Alzheimer's, but that's not being a decent person, that's following her selfish interests. She had no interest in stem cell research until it affect her personally.

That woman caused a lot of suffering to those with AIDS, and for entire families with her war on drugs, so I can't conjure up heartfelt sympathies for someone who cared little about anyone else.

Nancy Reagan was America's Imelda Marcos .... from her $400,000 china services (remember that one? while they were cutting school lunches and categorizing relish and ketchup as vegetables?), 10's of thousands on wardrobes she demanded to be given for free - just because of who she was?, pushing the Carters to get out of the WH 3 months early so she could get her free redecorating done before they moved in?, it goes on and on. I was an adult at that time. I remember it all. She was not some sweet old lady with a love story for the ages. Yes, she produced 2 remarkable children. They turned out that way in spite of their parents - not because of them. Her daughter at 24, fearful of passing on her parents genes, she says, underwent a tubal ligation. Patti wrote a book detailing the mental and physical abuse she grew up with.

Her vapid "Just say no" campaign was a public relations smokescreen for Reagan SLASHING drug abuse treatment, drug abuse research and drug education funding in his savage-to-the-poor early budgets.

When she helped cover up his mental health issues, she damaged the republic. Covering up her husband's dementia (during his !st term in office!) while he emptied the mental institutions and overnight created the beginnings of the homelessness epidemic. That he and she refused to say AIDS, joked about AIDS - let alone make an effort to take care of the afflicted, while he and Oliver North were allowing the Iran Contra to sell drugs in our country to fund their war.


In a picture-taking session at the Reagan ranch in California earlier this month, Mr. Reagan was asked a question about American-Soviet talks on space weapons. When he hesitated, Mrs. Reagan could be heard saying, ''Tell them we are doing everything we can.''




In short: Bette Davis

"You should only speak good of the dead."
"Joan Crawford is dead."
"Good."

Behind the Aegis

(53,823 posts)
45. It was a mistake. So was her "apology."
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 04:40 AM
Mar 2016

I am offended by what she claimed and rolling my eyes at her "apology", which was anything but courageous. While I agree some are making this out to be more than what it is, I also don't like those acting as if this wasn't an insult; it was. If this had been off the top of her head, I might have been a little more forgiving.

I will also say, I am just as disgusted with those who are using this to attack gay people! Clinton didn't call us "fags and dykes" and while I too am offended by her "misspeak" ( ), there is NO FUCKING REASON to attack GLBT people and those with HIV/AIDS who still support Clinton! They do not have "Stockholm's Syndrome", they are not "sell outs", "Log Cabin Republican lite", nor are they "bad" GLBT people! JUST STOP IT! If you are so damn offended by how this is an "attack" on the GLBT community, how are you making it any better by attacking gay people?! BACK OFF! This especially applies to those who are NOT GBLT!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
46. Not good enough Hillary!!!!!!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:47 AM
Mar 2016

And her supporters on DU are not handling this wisely at all. Not at all.

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