Everyone just needs to chill out

[CajunBlazer]

Hillary has admitted she made a mistake on the Reagan/Aids remarks. Contrary to some opinions around here, there are no perfect candidates.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511471110

[NurseJackie]

1. Well, at least you tried.

[CajunBlazer]

4. Let those with a perfect candidate cast the first stones

[Logical]

95. Says the poster who posted this shallow clueless post.....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=732128

[ebayfool]

99. Oh my gawd! How'd I miss that one?

When you're right, you're right ... and you are right!

Just when I think they can't top themselves - the just do.

[Duckhunter935]

156. Not surprising at all

[laruemtt]

2. Making excuses is

a form of enabling and does not help the problem.

[CajunBlazer]

5. Looking for something to complain about is not a good use of your time.

[PeaceNikki]

6. She didn't make excuses. She apologized.

[laruemtt]

10. I was talking about

her followers making excuses for her.

[PeaceNikki]

12. Got it. I'm not.

The way the Reagans handled the AIDS crisis is one of the most shameful periods in our history.

I'm shocked and embarrassed that she wasn't keenly aware of that. However, I'm glad she apologized without making excuses.

[ebayfool]

102. She tempered the apology with 'I misspoke'. An equivocation is not an apology. It's an excuse. n/t

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

111. Not sure how you can misspeak about something like that... more like Hillary fucked up in saying what she really thought!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[ebayfool]

113. 'Zactly! Her pander to the right for the GE was premature, and bungled. Dayum, if she's gonna ...

fuck up - she has to own it. Be a grown damn woman! I speak my mind. I don't shrink from it and try to claim it meant something else. I own it. I'm a grown damn woman!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

118. Hillary's a panda-bear alright!

[AgadorSparticus]

162. She didn't just say she misspoke. She said, "for that, I'm sorry" on her fb page.

And why is it so hard to accept that she "misspoke"? She is human, afterall. Hell, I misspeak too. Espevially when i am tired or stressed out. And i am not even running a national campaign. I just don't understand this blind hatred for her.

[ebayfool]

167. "I misspoke about their record ..." She tempered the apology. In my book, that's a non-apology.

That's the lame excuse that Repubs use when they get caught out. That woman does not say anything by accident, which "misspoke" implies. She wasn't talking to a neighbor at the kitchen table over coffee after a tiring day or something. It was a prepared speech for a highly public function - which implies forethought. Do you really think her speech was off-the-cuff?

You are projecting on others a "blind hatred" for her, my opinion about has no blinders. Her words, actions, and lies are fully out there for public consumption. I just don't understand this blind support that excuses anything, ANYTHING!, the woman does or says ... no matter how vile or self-serving.

She earned my opinion the hard way ... she worked for it!

I hate it when Repubs walk back their lies with "misspoke". I ain't gonna like it any better just because it's Clinton. Sorry.

[Broward]

3. She has a lot more to apologize for.

[CajunBlazer]

8. Right, on the other hand Bernie is perfect - got it.

[dana_b]

22. "on the other hand Bernie is perfect"

Where did Broward say that??

[rock]

68. It goes with that swearing in ceremony to become a BS supporter

Don't tell me they missed you!

[CajunBlazer]

70. Oh darn, I must have missed the ceremony

[NWCorona]

7. While I could agree

There were tons of ghetto threads.

[vintx]

19. This.

[Luminous Animal]

9. Ah no. She said she misspoke. Spinning a false narrative is not misspeaking.

[laruemtt]

11. It was actually called lying once upon a time.

[CajunBlazer]

14. Your entitled to your opinion - but opinions are not facts

At least admit to yourself - you were happy rather than outraged that she made a mistake. Or maybe you you were just outrageously happy.

[Luminous Animal]

28. No I was not happy. It was punch to the gut

I couldn't breathe for a moment and then I wept a bit and then I was furious. I'm still not happy

[UglyGreed]

13. Hillary better just stop

speaking because each time she does it just gets worse and worse for her campaign.

[CajunBlazer]

16. And you love it, right?

[UglyGreed]

18. Ahh and you defend it

right????

[CajunBlazer]

43. No, actually I didn't

I just brought up DU a few minutes before I made the OP. At first I didn't know what everyone was "upset" about. I put "upset" in quotation marks because it occurs to me that some may be happy Hillary screwed up while other were certainly genuinely offended.

[libtodeath]

15. She complimented a person known to have abetted what would be genocide if it was nationality based

rather then sexuality and then her response is only oops,misspoke sorry about that?

[CajunBlazer]

20. I'm sure that if someone had commited genocide

The Reagans would have been in jail by now or at least wanted on an international arrest warrant. Let's back off on the hyperbolic rhetoric she we.

[libtodeath]

21. Re read what I wrote.

[CajunBlazer]

46. I read what you wrote several times...

... because I had difficulty believing you used the terms you did. My post was simply a way of gently telling you that.... well, you.

[libtodeath]

53. No you didnt or you are not being honest.

I said it "would be called genocide if"

I did not say it was genocide because the definition of that does not apply.

Not that hard to understand.

[TM99]

17. Thanks, but I will chill out when and if I want to do so.

Clinton told a whopper. She caught backlash. She used the tired excuse of misspeaking as her non-apology.

So you can quit with the strawmen about perfect candidates and the lecturing about chilling out because your sorry ass candidate just got busted in a big lie and did not apologize sufficiently.

Some of us were there. We worked with AIDS patients. We lost friends, family members, and lovers. We saw exactly how the Reagan's DID NOT deal with the epidemic and crisis, and in fact, they derided it and joked about it. So forgive us oh gatekeeper, if we want to burn our wood and vent a bit at this bullshit. We will continue to do so.

It might behoove y'all to show some empathy and a little humility about the fuck up she just made instead of justifying it, rationalizing it, and castigating those of us appalled by yet another dumb ass lie by a Clinton.

[CajunBlazer]

25. Well that your opinion - or at least what you want people to believe

On the other hand she probably just made a mistake. What did she have to gain by making that comment? Answer: Nothing.

Our candidate is not perfect like your is. I don't visualize Hillary with a halo floating above her head so it's easier to handle when she makes a mistake.

[TM99]

35. What has Clinton

ever had to gain from any of her lies, artful smears, or distortions? What did she gain from lying about Bosnian sniper fire? Or who she was named after? Or that Chelsea was jogging by the twin towers? And on and on.

You can keep pushing the strawman about perfection, but given her lie today, it really doesn't make you look very good.

[CajunBlazer]

48. Don't avoid the question with a hazy generalities and deflections

What exactly did she have to gain in this particular incidence? If you can't provide a suitable answer to that question, I'll have to assume that you too believe it was and honest mistake and you are attempting to blow the incident out of proportion.

[TM99]

57. It isn't a hazy deflection.

You want fucking bluntness? Fine, you got it. She is a pathological liar and narcissistic personality disordered woman. She has a long history of lying. For an average person, you might ask that question, but for someone like her, it is not a valid question. She lies because it is always about persona management. She is always on the stage. She is always feeling the public gaze. And she will say, do, or act in what ever way possible that fuels her need for self-aggrandizement and keeps the attention on her.

It was not a 'honest' mistake. It was a calculated risk like so many of hers as of late, and like most narcissists she is shocked when others give her negative attention and feedback. So she backpedals without actually making a genuine apology. How can she? She is living her life through her persona. That is the only thing that is 'real' for her.

You can stop making excuses for her pathological behavior. Doing so is only making you look very bad. For the sake of self-respect, let it go. Deal with the consequences of her actions as her supporter and move on.

[revbones]

80. Jury results

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Mar 11, 2016, 07:56 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Whoever alerted should stay away from GD-P if they cannot handle opinions that differ from their own.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I understand the sentiment, but it's a bit over the top.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This wasn't a personal attack between members, and it was specifically about a comment Hillary made that hurt many people. Her supporters should just let people vent on this one if they want them back in the fold. This is a painful memory for many people, hyper-alerting on any negative Clinton post won't help here.

[TM99]

81. I am not surprised.

[revbones]

82. As to the results, or the alert?

[TM99]

85. The alert.

I have a 'fan club' so I am always surprised these days when I survive a jury.

[revbones]

86. Yep, I understand.

I was #7 btw.

[TM99]

88. Thanks. n/t

[Lizzie Poppet]

84. Glad it survived; embarrassed it was only barely. Bullshit alert. (nm)

[Bluenorthwest]

139. your behavior in this thread is disgustingly self interested in the context of plauge history.

A mistake? That would require us to believe that she is fully uninformed about the times she lived through, ignorant about the greatest crisis in public health of our era. Of her husband's Presidency.

If it was a mistake as you say, it demonstrates a vastly insufficient education in a person who should be very fully informed.

Would you call it 'a mistake' if someone praised Trump for being strongly anti racist? That's exactly what this is.

[notadmblnd]

155. Republican voters

Republican voters who are appalled at their slate of candidates who are running for President- is what she was trying to gain from her comments. Once again, she was attempting to pander to another group of people.

Unfortunately she was ignorant of the facts (if I were her, I'd be firing someone on my research staff for that blunder) and offended a lot of people who do remember the facts. Then she only half ass-ed apologized to those she offended.

[Fumesucker]

23. What I like most about Hillary is her deep command of the subtle nuances of history

[EndElectoral]

24. Here's what SFGate said in 2004

http://www.sfgate.com/opinion/openforum/article/Reagan-s-AIDS-Legacy-Silence-equals-death-2751030.php

As America remembers the life of Ronald Reagan, it must never forget his shameful abdication of leadership in the fight against AIDS. History may ultimately judge his presidency by the thousands who have and will die of AIDS.
Following discovery of the first cases in 1981, it soon became clear a national health crisis was developing. But President Reagan's response was "halting and ineffective," according to his biographer Lou Cannon. Those infected initially with this mysterious disease -- all gay men -- found themselves targeted with an unprecedented level of mean-spirited hostility.

A significant source of Reagan's support came from the newly identified religious right and the Moral Majority, a political-action group founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell. AIDS became the tool, and gay men the target, for the politics of fear, hate and discrimination. Falwell said "AIDS is the wrath of God upon homosexuals." Reagan's communications director Pat Buchanan argued that AIDS is "nature's revenge on gay men."

With each passing month, death and suffering increased at a frightening rate. Scientists, researchers and health care professionals at every level expressed the need for funding. The response of the Reagan administration was indifference.

By Feb. 1, 1983, 1,025 AIDS cases were reported, and at least 394 had died in the United States. Reagan said nothing. On April 23, 1984, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention announced 4,177 reported cases in America and 1,807 deaths. In San Francisco, the health department reported more than 500 cases. Again, Reagan said nothing. That same year, 1984, the Democratic National Convention convened in San Francisco. Hoping to focus attention on the need for AIDS research, education and treatment, more than 100,000 sympathizers marched from the Castro to Moscone Center.

With each diagnosis, the pain and suffering spread across America. Everyone seemed to now know someone infected with AIDS. At a White House state dinner, first lady Nancy Reagan expressed concern for a guest showing signs of significant weight loss. On July 25, 1985, the American Hospital in Paris announced that Rock Hudson had AIDS.

With AIDS finally out of the closet, activists such as Paul Boneberg, who in 1984 started Mobilization Against AIDS in San Francisco, begged President Reagan to say something now that he, like thousands of Americans, knew a person with AIDS. Writing in the Washington Post in late 1985, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Los Angeles, stated: "It is surprising that the president could remain silent as 6,000 Americans died, that he could fail to acknowledge the epidemic's existence. Perhaps his staff felt he had to, since many of his New Right supporters have raised money by campaigning against homosexuals."

So Nancy was concerned about a guest who looked thin, and also rejected Rock Hudson's plea for help in Paris.

The AIDs crisis was a blot on the Reagan presidency. Something they wanted to pretend didn't exist but knew it was killing thousands of people.

Is Hillary Clinton unaware of this?

[CajunBlazer]

26. Maybe not - at this point who cares?

When a person makes a mistake and owns up to that mistake, I let it go. Letting anger build up inside of yourself is not good for your body or your mind. On the other hand faking anger is not good for your conscious.

[EndElectoral]

38. Who cares? Mind boggling response. 400000 cases reported by WHO. Who cares?

What of their familes, loved ones, friends...who cares? Have you ever watched someone die of AIDS? I have. Who cares? God forbid it isn't good for your mind or body.

When a person makes a mistake, simply saying I mispoke or made a mistake, is the easy part. Accountabilty for that mistake is something else.

She said she made a mistake in her IWR vote as well where thousands and thousands of people died. Now she make another "misstatement" complimenting Reagans on their AIDs work, who turned a blind eye to thousands of thousands of other deaths.

It's not good for your body to get worked up you say, but simply saying "who cares?" isn't very good for your brain.

[CajunBlazer]

49. I didn't say that the mistake did have repercussions, that people didn't get angry

I didn't say that the mistake didn't cause people to relive very unpleasant memories. But once the person who made the mistake owns up to it (rather than doubling down like Trump and some another politician I noticed very recently) and apologizes for that mistake, why shouldn't people let it go unless they are trying to make political hay out of the incident.

[arcane1]

52. Who cares? It's just thousands of dead loved-ones, after all.

Water under the bridge, right?

[CajunBlazer]

77. Check my post directly above - I don't feel like retyping it

or even copying it and posting it here.

[Bluenorthwest]

140. How can you even say 'who cares'? That's vile, vile, vile. 650,000 Americans dead so far.

Who cares? I care and millions more like me. We spent years dedicated to fighting the ignorance, bigotry and negligence of Ron and Nancy Reagan while our friends, elders, mentors and other loved ones died in their primes.

Who cares you say? Who cares? Disgusting.

[Kalidurga]

27. No thanks

I lost an uncle to AIDS. Earlier intervention would have most likely saved his life. While Reagan was silent more and more tainted blood was getting into the blood banks.

[CajunBlazer]

33. All a person can do when they make a mistake is appoligize

Whether the "offended" accept those apologies up to them.

If you want to continue to "ticked off", that's entirely up to you. However, if you are really angry, and not trying to exploit a mistake by the opponent of your candidate, I suggest that you eventually let it go. Keeping anger bottled up inside of you is not good for your health.

[Kalidurga]

36. It wasn't a mistake

It was a calculated lie.

[CajunBlazer]

40. Well, you're obviously a walking lie detector

But if it was a lie, and you believe she did it on purpose - perhaps you can enlighten all of us as to how Hillary might have benefited from telling that "lie".

[Bluenorthwest]

141. If it was not a lie it was a demonstration of ignorance so profound as to disqualify her from high

office. She praised the villains of the AIDS Era as the Heroes of the AIDS Era. Like calling George Wallace a Civil Rights Icon. Same thing. Either intentional or demonstrative of absolute stupidity. Those are the choices.

[Logical]

29. SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN SPIN

[CajunBlazer]

34. Apology = spin That a new one for me.

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I hope you copied and pasted to create that title. Typing it out would have taken too much time.

[Firebrand Gary]

62. Peace out, you're going on ignore!

LATER!

[Logical]

65. I'll tru to get over it. nt

[shawn703]

30. It's a very telling mistake

A Freudian slip, some might say.

[tonedevil]

31. How many funerals...

did you go to of friends or acquaintances who died of AIDS in the 1980s? For me it was more than 100 so I'll chill out when I damn well please and I will question the humanity of anyone who tries to defend this crap.

[CajunBlazer]

37. That's entirely up to you - but no one is trying to defend anything

I know you wouldn't use the tragedy in your life to try to score minor political points. My deepest condolences for your loses.

[Bluenorthwest]

143. You are defending, excusing and also making nasty comments to those advocating the truth be spoken

clearly. Many of us lost loved ones and co-workers, collaborators, mentors, employers, elders, partners, lovers and friends. You need to lay off.

[Ichingcarpenter]

47. Only 4 myself at their deathbed.

and they were painful enough.

[berningman]

32. these threads are how you know camp weathervane stepped in it big time. eom

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

112. haha yes! Hillary is a gaff machine extraordinaire!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

[hatrack]

39. Sorry, no - I don't enjoy it when national leaders flagrantly rewrite history . . .

If you were an adult in the 1980s (as Secretary Clinton was) and were paying attention (as I presume Secretary Clinton was) then you know that the Reagan administration didn't do jack shit on AIDS and HIV.

What funding did get into the pipeline did so through the efforts of Democrats in Congress, not the efforts of President and Mrs. Reagan.

If there had been any "effective, low-key advocacy" on the part of Mrs. Reagan, it was so quiet as to be inaudible, and so slight as to be invisible.

Of all the things she could have said at the funeral, this is what she chose to say? This?

[ms liberty]

135. This. I was a young adult in the 80's

If you paid any attention at all to what was going on in the world, you knew the Reagan's were avoiding HIV/AIDS, no one could miss it. I'm appalled and infuriated.

[Nay]

142. What Hatrack said. Look, anyone can make verbal blunders and then have to

apologize for them. No problem.

But this didn't seem to BE just a verbal blunder; what politically-aware person can NOT remember the horror that was perpetrated when the Reagans ignored AIDS? Were there any aides around to remind Ms. Clinton that the Reagans were stumbling blocks in the fight against AIDS? Did no one mention this to her? Movies, books, essays were written on how the Reagans did just about everything they could to demonize gay people over AIDS. Why mention anything at all about AIDS at the funeral?

[vintx]

144. I wasn't even an adult yet and I was disgusted by her blatant rewriting of history on this

There's no excuse for this. There's no explanation that makes any sense other than a deliberate attempt to further whitewash the Reagans' disastrous legacy.

[Bluenorthwest]

145. Hillary did not just say Mrs Reagan, she said both of them and particularly Nancy....

She praised Ronald Reagan for his work on AIDS. Also Nancy. Inexplicable.

[pdsimdars]

41. Someone should start a list of all the things Hillary has had to apologize for

and there could be another, equally long list of all the lies and mischaracterizations she has made about Bernie.
But who has the time.

[CajunBlazer]

50. Oh, I forgot. Bernie is perfect in the eyes of some of his supporters.

[arcane1]

55. Subject-changing strawman response.

Seriously, you are as transparent as glass in this thread. And failing big-time.

[CajunBlazer]

78. You have not demostated qualifications to judge failures

[Bluenorthwest]

146. You speak surrounded by the spirits of the dead and you snark 'oh so Bernie's perfect' and that

describes and spotlights you dismissive, cold heated and exploitative actions here to a tee. This is about the deaths of countless human beings and you play strawman games with it. Disgusting.

[ibegurpard]

42. if she "misspoke"

Then she doesn't care enough about either AIDS OR Alzheimers to have the background knowledge necessary to avoid a gaffe like this. She was just reaching for something serious she could praise Nancy Reagan for in order to make herself look good.

[Ichingcarpenter]

44. No!!! She tried to revise History

and anyone with a grain of honesty would see that.

[CajunBlazer]

51. How are qualified to determine whether she made a mistake

...or was trying to "rewrite history". And while you're explaining your special talent perhaps you can also enlighten us on why Hillary could possibly profit from "rewriting history".

[Ichingcarpenter]

59. I have a degree in history

A masters in education and a minor in political science.

What is your fucking qualifications?

[CajunBlazer]

64. My, my, aren't you educated -

- I only have an engineering degree with minors in math and English and an MBA.

But that doesn't explain how you can peer into someone's mind and tell whether they are making a mistake or attempting to "rewrite history" especially when you probably didn't witness Clinton's address when she gave it.

There aren't many people in the world that can do that and I doubt seriously that you are one of them. And oh, you haven't explained how Hillary might have profited by "rewriting history".

Are you sure you aren't letting your per-existing prejudices influence your perceptions?

[Ichingcarpenter]

72. Your posts are exemplary on your southern education

of an apparent attempt of knowledge and wisdom

[Arugula Latte]

45. She hasn't remotely approached "perfect." Right now she is at "outright shitty."

[CajunBlazer]

56. My, aren't you articulate!

You certainly have a way with words!

[Ichingcarpenter]

61. Its better than your french or english

that's for sure.

[monicaangela]

54. Yet another mistake...

This appears to be a problem with her, first she makes the mistake, and then when challenged she backtracks or as in many, many, many, many other cases flip flops and begs forgiveness right before she does it again.

[CajunBlazer]

60. Do you think Bernie is as perfect as many think?

If not, perhaps you could tell us when Bernie made his last mistake.

[monicaangela]

63. As Bernie says and I will repeat

Bernie may not be perfect but I will compare his record with hers any day of the week.

[CajunBlazer]

69. Well, that would not serve him well if I were the one doing the comparing

Isn't it amazing how people have such different perceptions of candidates and their records.

[monicaangela]

71. Yes it is

I find some facts are blaring...literally staring you in the face, and for other candidates things are dug up twisted and made to appear as they are something. You've got that one right CajunBlazer it is amazing, especially the fact that some either can't see or don't want to see the truth.

[CajunBlazer]

66. Isn't it amazing that Bernie's supporters beleve that he never makes a mistake

Darn, it must be very difficult for him to be perfect all of the time.

[riversedge]

151. Well, that

poster is history. thanks to your OP, it showed itself. Good day to you and thanks for the post.

but say to say. For many, nothing will satisfy them. Hillary is evil to so many.

[ljm2002]

67. Good idea...

...I hope you and all the other Clinton supporters here heed your advice.

[bigwillq]

73. No, thanks.

Hillary has no idea what she is talking about. It's important to talk about her missteps, mistakes and misspeaks. She is auditioning to be leader of the free world.

In that same breathe, it is important to talk about Bernie's missteps, mistakes and misspeaks, since he is auditioning for the same position.


So, no, I will not chill out.

[CajunBlazer]

79. You're fortunate to be supporting a perfect candidate

or at least one with whom you can find no fault.

[bigwillq]

83. Bernie is not perfect.

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That doesn't excuse what Mrs. Clinton said nor does it mean she shouldn't be criticized for what she said. Folks should give her hell for what she said if that's how they feel, and folks should give Bernie hell for the things he said or did.

No candidate is above criticism.

[cherokeeprogressive]

74. FUCK chilling out. FUCK lecturing me. FUCK your condescending self.

I know in my heart that I could never, EVER be friends or even CIVIL to anyone who has a gay family member or gay friend and isn't insulted by Hillary Clinton's lying ass.

Clinton sycophants are truly, TRULY - an incredible, astounding, exceptional group of people and most certainly in a class of their own.

Fuck them.

[Ichingcarpenter]

76. I know historical periods that can discribe this insanity

that we see with this delusional thinking.

Some are in ancient times and some are in the twentieth century.

[AtomicKitten]

87. x 100000

[CajunBlazer]

89. So you are going to vote for Hillary if she wins the nomination, right?

[cherokeeprogressive]

92. I don't answer questions about my virginity.

[CajunBlazer]

93. I could care less about your virginity or lack there of

[cherokeeprogressive]

96. Then why the fuck do you expect me to take your purity oath?

[Bluenorthwest]

147. She won't win the nomination now. She is unravelling fast. Soon she will say something equally

insulting to another minority because that's how it works, what a person will do to me, they will also do to others. She's losing it. She insulted a group she thinks of as her supporters, casually and apparently did not notice the horrible nature of her words until others pointed it out.

She needs to instantly speak about the truth of what Ron and Nancy did not do. Their dereliction of duty. Their betrayal of their fellow Americans. If she does not do that, she is not worthy of the nomination and she won't get it.

[farleftlib]

136. Astounding is right

Any abuse she heaps on people should be sucked up and accepted as blessing from on high, according to them.

No more passes for pathological behavior.

[SDJay]

75. You're Right...

I'll tell my relatives who had this awful disease and who fought against the Reagans' horrible actions in the 80's to chill out.

Oh wait... I can't. Know why? They're FUCKING DEAD.

How the fuck can anyone tell others to take something so personal and so painful and keep goddamn quiet about it? And how can someone do that because they're concerned about their fucking political idol? That's fucking disgusting.

And spare the strawman that has been trotted out 894 times already - if Bernie had done this, I'd be yelling and jumping all over his ass too.

And "Who cares?" Really, who cares?

This thread is shameful. Lots of other things I'd like to say and won't because I'm pretty sure I'd be penalized.

Holy crap.

[Warren DeMontague]

90. Yes, lets get back to the substantive issues, like "vote Hillary- because berniebros on twitter"

Yeah, chill! She apologized!

Do we really need this campaign to be about nothing but endlessly nursing grievances and outrages?

[Arazi]

91. You do NOT get to tell someone how to feel or react to this

how completely condescending

People get to process this in their own way, within their own history.

Fuck your attempt to diminish another's pain

[CajunBlazer]

94. You obviously didn't read my other posts on theis thread.

[Major Hogwash]

97. She lost the state of New York with this comment today!

Maybe California, too.

[senseandsensibility]

100. Did she ever have them?

But,yeah.

[Major Hogwash]

103. It would have been close.

But, not now.

[CajunBlazer]

101. A mistake can hurt you, but that's okay, Bernie lost the State of Florida and...

... and any support support he might have received from the Hispanic community last night during debate with a unforced error.

[Major Hogwash]

105. Not hardly.

But, you enjoy yourself watching her house of cards bern to the ground, all the same.

[CajunBlazer]

107. Time will tell won't it.

[cherokeeprogressive]

108. Jesus fuck. "I know you are but what am I?"

That's what you bring?

[Waiting For Everyman]

98. There comes a moment of clarity

when all of a sudden you realize what you're looking at. Apparently your moment hasn't come yet.

[CajunBlazer]

106. On the contary, I had such a moment...

... watching Bernie Sanders' reaction to the film clip which showed him as a young man praising the Castro regime.

[cherokeeprogressive]

109. How long ago did you throw away your Che tshirt?

[Scootaloo]

104. I don't think you get to tell people if they get to be offended or not

Especially not you, CajunBlazer.

[CajunBlazer]

117. I don't think you get the right to tell me what to say or do

Especially you, Skubidu!

PS: Don't worry about that OP, your guy no longer has a shot at the nomination. Unfortunately, his past is coming back to haunt him anyway. Those reporters who work for Univision are tough, but hey, it could have been worse.

[Scootaloo]

120. I DO get to tell you that you don't get to tell people if they can be offended or not, actually

Think of it as a reminder of basic decency. You don't get to stick your finger into people's faces and demand they not be offended by something.

[CajunBlazer]

122. I don't you qualify to head of the decency patrol Scooby Do

So please descend from your high horse

[Scootaloo]

124. Given what I linked to from you in that prior post...

I'm certainly qualified to talk to you about decency, if no one else.

Don't tell GLBT people that they can't be offended at something they find offensive. Basic decency.

[CajunBlazer]

125. No one put you in charge Scooby Do

[Scootaloo]

126. Don't tell GLBT people to not be offended by what they find offensive.

It's not difficult.

[CajunBlazer]

128. ....

[Scootaloo]

129. S'what I thought

[Kip Humphrey]

110. I'm sorry but this is (pardon my Bernie) a huge mistake. Nancy & Ronald Reagan attempted genocide.

I'm straight and I have friends who died. Everyone I know (from that era) knew someone who died. You don't forget that. You don't forget that public silence nor the silenced screams,"HELP ME".

[CajunBlazer]

114. A friend of my wife at her work died of AID related complicantions but,

I think it is mistake to throw around words like "Genocide" when talking about a disease.

Hillary made a mistake, and unlike many politicians she admitted that mistake and apologized. Some people were offended, and I under stand that, but too many are blatantly trying to use this unfortunate situation as a political weapon and that's disgusting. It's time to move on
.

[cherokeeprogressive]

119. "Some people were offended, and I understand that..." Take that condescending bullshit and stuff it

in the laundry basket.

You're going to need a shit-ton of detergent though in order to wash it out of the collective memory so that people "move on".

[CajunBlazer]

123. This conversation is not productive

[Kip Humphrey]

121. If 64,000 deaths for being homosexual is insufficient to be called genocide, then

consider cumulative deaths in US through 2002: 501,669.

64k was the estimated number of total death ultimately attributable to the so-called Reagan delay of which almost all were homosexual males.

[CajunBlazer]

127. It's ironic that you should mention "through 2002"

According to the 2002 World Health Organization report on HIV and AIDS:

Summary

"There are 42 million people living with HIV/AIDS world-wide. 38.6 million of these are adults, 19.2 million are women and 3.2 million are children under the age of 15. Five million new infections with HIV occured in 2002 of which 4.2 million were adults and 2 million of them were women. A total of 3.1 million people died of HIV/AIDS related causes in 2002."

Despite the BS put out by conservative politicians, AIDS was never an exclusively homosexual disease.

[Kip Humphrey]

131. clever how you switched the sample there... and ignored the history in topic (that being US).

Of coarse HIV/AIDS was never an exclusively homosexual disease, but convince me that Nancy and Ronnie knew that during those silent years.

[Bluenorthwest]

149. Obviously not exclusively homosexual, it was also a genocide aimed at black people world wide....

This month, March 2016, about 100,000 people in Africa will die of HIV/AIDS. This number is very high but sadly it is a great improvement over the past. It is well in excess of a million persons a year. AIDS is the leading cause of death in Africa. AIDS leaves so many orphans in Africa the official count is vague and 'in the millions', Uganda alone has over 650,000 AIDS orphans.

In the earliest days it was perceived as and called 'the gay cancer'. Very quickly it became apparent that it was a killer of any human beings, and that the groups to suffer the most would be gay men and black people. Not just African Americans but black people in Haiti and in Africa and all over the world.

In the US, the infection rate for black men and women is 8 times the rate for whites. 8 times higher. Currently about one million Americans have the HIV virus.


http://www.healthline.com/health/hiv-aids/facts-statistics-infographic

[DeadLetterOffice]

115. Fuck that.

You clearly have no idea what it was like in the 80's - we marched on Washington with a quilt that broke my heart, begged for funding, watched our friends and family members die while Ron and Nancy looked the other way and the White House press secretary cracked jokes.

You have no right to tell us to "chill out."

[CajunBlazer]

116. Who are you to tell me what my rights are?

[Bluenorthwest]

148. You lack standing to tell us how to speak of our own history and it is nasty of you to attempt to

posture as if you had such authority. It is a demonstration of your own views of LGBT as not your equals. So of course you have the right to say anything you wish, so does Donny Trump. Others also have the right to object to you or to Donald, to anyone who attempts to exploit minority issues and control minority voices.

[CajunBlazer]

153. How can anything a demonstration of something that doesn't exist

Don't assume that you know much of anything about me from a few written words. Just because I defended Hillary because I believe she made an honest mistake while you believe that she lied simply to hurt people does not make me bad person. The biggest danger in making assumptions about other people with whom we disagree is the natural tendency to assert our own prejudices into our evaluation.

Peace

[840high]

130. Don't even try this chill out

crap on me.

[Laughing Mirror]

132. She lied thinking she'd get somebody's vote

Typical pattern for her, thinking nobody would notice. Anybody around in the 1980s knows better.

She can take her lies and regale her GoldmanSachs fatcat constituency with them, if they still will want anything to do with her after she goes down down down because no one will trust her anymore, not even them.

[CajunBlazer]

158. Whose vote do you beleive she was trying to get?

People who are big fans of Ronald Reagan.

[Laughing Mirror]

161. She'll lie to anybody if she thinks they'll vote for her

Anybody of any political stripe. Fools included. She can't help it. It's pathological. Mythomania, I believe it is called.

[Aerows]

133. I agree. Maybe they could quit calling DU members

terrorists.

[DemocraticWing]

134. You NEVER get to straightsplain how LGBTQ people should handle our history.

What Hillary said was wrong, but at least she apologized. You've spent this thread defending it and claiming you know better than LGBTQ people how to term the AIDS crisis that murdered millions of our community.

So you're going on ignore. Not for Hillary support, but for casual homophobia.

[CajunBlazer]

159. One has to wonder whether you support for Bernie....

.... is coloring your perceptions.

[Bluenorthwest]

165. That poster hit the nail on the head. You keep saying 'Bernie' but this is about you and Hillary.

Your posts in this thread are some of the most most cold, calloused and obnoxiously privileged I have ever read on DU. The fact that your cohort here does not intervene to stop your bullying speaks poorly of them as well.

[CajunBlazer]

166. I doubt seriously whether I have the warewithall to be able to bully anyone on this board.

You poor little thing, do you feel like you were bullied?

[ms liberty]

137. Your responses in this thread are telling.

You're more interested in minimizing the wrongness of her remarks than in admitting that it was a serious gaffe that hurt and infuriated a lot of people, most of whom are Democrats. You seem to believe that accusing Bernie supporters of thinking he is perfect is a valid defense against her lie about Nancy Reagan. And you think you can tell us all to chill, because it wasn't a big deal. It was a big deal, and no, we won't be chillin'. Some of us remember the Reagan years, and we're horrified that a Democratic candidate said something so appallingly untruthful.

[CajunBlazer]

157. I have also noticed that the a large number of people, like yourself, ...

...who have been most outspoken about how damaging Hillary's mistake was have avatars showing they support Bernie Sanders. Do you really think that's a coincidence?

I certainly understand that some people are genuinely upset, and I get that. However, they would be upset whether the remarks were made intentionally or not. They should consider whether it was in Hillary's best interest to make them so angry when trying to determine whether her remarks were intentional or not.

On the hand, it appears that many of Bernie's supporters on DU have gleefully seized upon this incident and attempted to use it as a political weapon against Hillary while of course displaying righteous indignation. Then there are others whose support for Bernie and/or their dislike for Hillary drives their real anger on the subject. I have my suspicions as to which people fall in to which of those three categories, but only they know for sure their true motivation.

Perhaps you should give some thought as to your true motivation.

[Bluenorthwest]

164. You are being exploitative. Those who are speaking the truth are speaking important truths that now

need to be repeated over and over again because of the false and reckless words of your candidate. Of course you don't want to hear it but that is no reason to personally attack and smear those who are in fact correct when your candidate is in the wrong. You are in the wrong. Very much in the wrong. And seemingly incapable of saying anything but 'Sanders supporters bad' even in the face of such a serious issue. Over the graves of a generation you do this. It's disgusting.

[Bluenorthwest]

138. You need to chill, Straight Man. Hillary comments were vile and she'd going to need to make

amends. She needs to step up and speak the truth about Ron and Nancy to counter her lies about them. This is very important history. She said that two people who refused to respond for years and years as 40,000 Americans died had actually started the conversation about AIDS advocacy. Like calling George Wallace a Civil Rights Icon. Same sort of thing.

The fact that you and Hillary's cohort do not understand why this was so intensely awful indicates that you and your candidate all need to educate yourselves very actively and stop posting ignorant and abusive materials.

[Betty Karlson]

150. As a gay man, I am ever so grateful to be set straight:

It is so confusing to know when a politician's words are hurting me and when I should just give them a pass on "unintentional insensitivity" - thank goodness there are always some kind heterosexual supporters of the élite ready to explain things to me.

-------------

Two standard excuse lines on a twitter account hardly make for an apology. Forgiveness requires contrition, and so far, Clinton's has shown next to ZERO contrition. I seriously think that she still is the silent homophobe she demonstrably has been until 2013.

[salinsky]

152. Every time I log into DU ...

... my opinion of Bernie's supporters is diminished.

There's was no upside for Hillary in regards to her comment.

The Reagan's had a connection with both the HIV/AIDS and Alzheimer's diseases.

She obviously confused the two and misspoke.

It was unfortunate.

It was regrettable.

But, get the fuck over it.

Piling on just makes you look petty and rather stupid.

[Uponthegears]

154. One question, one answer

Do you mean "chill out" like when Hillary supporters turned Bernie's "kids on street corners" comment into an example of white liberal "low expectations" racism?

Hillary, with her "it's all over" arrogance, was trying to pivot toward Reagan Democrats whom her Third Way backers know she needs to attract now that she has driven millions ox excited Bernie voters from the polls in the GE.

[Autumn]

160. There are many of us with long memories who lost loved ones and

contrary to what you want we will not chill out. I don't know why she said that but one think I know for a fact, Hillary is smart and can pull information out of her brain at the drop of a hat. No one here expects a perfect candidate but I sure as fuck don't want one who says something so odiously untrue. She didn't misspeak, it wasn't a mistake she said that for some reason known only to her. Take youe own advice and chill out. i don't intend to. It was an insult.

[LWolf]

163. Interesting.

Since I've worked long hours all week long, I've missed whatever I'm supposed to "chill out" about. Of course, since I tend not to track Hillary Clinton at all, since she offers nothing worth spending my time on, I might have missed it anyway.

Did she say something offensive, and you want to make sure nobody holds her accountable for it, or her detractors take her apology at face value? Don't tell me. I'm still not interested.

I'm sure, if that's the case, you won't ever be found trying to turn any of Sanders' words against him. True, it's a hell of a lot harder to do so than with Clinton, but where there's a will...