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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,520 posts)
2. Awesome!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 01:44 AM
Mar 2016

Of course, Bernie's program for college tuition would mean nobody would have to take out student loans at all...

MichMan

(11,858 posts)
3. Sure they will...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:40 AM
Mar 2016

What about room & board, books, fees, transportation, clothing, and everything else required ? Tuition is just a portion of the expenses of attending a college.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
9. Sure thing
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016
http://qz.com/85017/college-in-sweden-is-free-but-students-still-have-a-ton-of-debt-how-can-that-be/

Swedish colleges and universities are free. Yep. Totally free.

But students there still end up with a lot of debt. The average at the beginning of 2013 was roughly 124,000 Swedish krona ($19,000). Sure, the average US student was carrying about 30% more, at $24,800.

But remember: Free. College in Sweden is free. That’s not even all that common in Europe anymore. While the costs of education are far lower than in the US, over the past two decades sometimes-hefty fees have become a fact of life for many European students. Britain got them in 1998. Some German states instituted them after a federal ban on student fees was overturned in the courts. In fact, since 1995 more than half of the 25 OECD countries with available data on higher education have overhauled their college tuition policies at public institions, with many adding or raising fees.

And yet, students in Germany and the UK have far lower debts than in Sweden. And 85% of Swedish students graduate with debt, versus only 50% in the US. Worst of all, new Swedish graduates have the highest debt-to-income ratios of any group of students in the developed world (according to estimates of what they’re expected to earn once they get out of school)—somewhere in the neighborhood of 80%. The US, where we’re constantly being told that student debt is hitting crisis proportions, the average is more like 60%. Why?

College in Sweden is free. But rent isn’t. And food isn’t. Neither is the beer that fuels the relatively infrequent, yet legendary, binges in which some Swedes partake. Costs of living in Sweden are high, especially in cities such as Stockholm, which regularly ranks among the world’s most expensive places to live. But again, this stuff isn’t free for students in other European countries either. So why do Swedish students end up with more debt? It’s pretty simple, actually. In Sweden, young people are expected to pay for things themselves instead of sponging off their parents.
 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
10. "College in Sweden is free. But rent isn’t. And food isn’t. Neither is the beer..."
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:50 AM
Mar 2016

This article is more than disingenuous.

The problems with finding jobs in Sweden (what kinds of degrees are these kids getting) and lifestyle choices in Sweden have nothing to do with the fact that students here are being charged for something the government funded up until the 80's.

That Democrats are now contorting themselves to defend Reagan's cuts is eye-opening.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
11. The point is that tuition is only a small part of what students need to pay
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

And that reducing or eliminating tuition, while a good idea, won't fix the student debt problem.

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
13. Tuition at state colleges is up 242% over the past 25 years
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:01 AM
Mar 2016

I'd say eliminating that from their burden will do a lot to improve things for college students.

libtodeath

(2,888 posts)
4. I dont support student debt at all.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:57 AM
Mar 2016

Glad to know Hillary thinks only rich kids should not have to deal with it.

Vinca

(50,233 posts)
12. I forced myself to listen to Hillary last Tuesday evening after she won something and
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:57 AM
Mar 2016

couldn't help but notice she's stolen material from Bernie. She said something about students graduating from college debt free. Unless she has a plan for money coming out of the sky on a flaming pie, only Bernie's solution does that.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
15. LOL, with Bernie there will be NO loan officers and NO debt collectors at all!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:04 AM
Mar 2016

So much for all those yellow "x"-es!
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