Here's why it becomes harder and harder to support Clinton

[Armstead]

Last night and this morning watching the Trump fiasco, I was thinking "I may have my problems with Clinton. But she's light years ahead of Trump."

Listening to Trump and his surrogates -- and watching the boneheads at his rallies -- I was thinking "This man CAN NOT be allowed to become president." And if Clinton becomes the firewall against him, so be it."

One of the (many) reasons I can;t stand Trumpism is the demonization of people on the left.

But then I had Fox news on for a little while and one of Clinton's surrogates, the Mayor of Miami, was being interviewed.

The host asked if he could support Sanders if he were the nominee. The Good Mayor said Clinton would be the nominee and refused to answer the question.

Then he got even better. "Sanders is a socialist. That sounds good to kids who are young. But older voters here in Miami know what a Socialist Revolution is all about. Many people fled to the US to escape from that. They don't want anything like that here."

Unfortunately, I've seen that asshole spout that shit before. Once, maybe a loose cannon, and the Clinton campaign could have given him a call and said "Hey, tone that down a little bit."

But since Clinton herself said the same thing in the recent debate....It is clearly a strategy. Paint Bernie as a would-be Commie Despot, who wants to overthrow the US government, nationalize all industries, and capture and kill dissenters.

Hillary, Trump......Ttrump, Hillary.

Still Hill for me, if forced to make that choice. But she better clean up her act real quick.

[ibegurpard]

1. She won't

Authoritarians will do what they will do.

[brewens]

2. We Sanders supporters are supposed to vote for Hillary if she gets the nod but her own boy

won't say he would support Sanders?

[Hydra]

3. Expect a general revolt by certain people if Bernie wins the primary

There have been rumblings that it will be better to burn the party down than let a populist win the election. Should be interesting.

[Marr]

40. I have absolutely no doubt that you're right.

All the people who want loyalty oaths now would work against Sanders, big time. The party would be infinitely more amenable to a Republican win than a Sanders win.

[mythology]

4. Considering I've seen multiple people calling

For super delegates to support Sanders at the convention even if Clinton has the most pledged delegates, neither side has a claim to the moral high ground on that front.

[grossproffit]

5. THIS!

Excellent post.

[Lizzie Poppet]

7. Bernie supporter to the end here, but I wouldn't support that.

Okay, I'd support it if Hillary is in fact under indictment by the convention...but I consider that a remote possibility, to say the least.

Otherwise, if she's ahead in pledged delegates, that's where the superdelegates should fall. I realize that they're intended to be the party's hedge against a truly disastrous choice, but while I consider Clinton to be doomed in November, that's not the kind of "disaster" they mean. The intent is more along the lines of the indictment scenario, or similar issue with the nominee.

[Armstead]

17. I haven't seen a lot of that

Maybe I missed it, but it seems that most who are talking about the Super Delegates are saying they should go with the winner of states votes and pledged deleagtes.

[Ferd Berfel]

11. That's been the game for quite a while here - One Way Loyalty oaths

All the while the DNC is desperately trying to find anyone to replace Bernie when Hillary falls on her face or is indicted

[rock]

6. Explain to me again

why after all the things you BSers have to say about Clinton, you would even consider voting for her if she is the Dem candidate? (Color me really confused.)

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

8. I won't.

She's unfit to hold public office.

[rock]

9. Exactly my point

Thank you.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

10. I endeavor to please.

[rock]

13. And succeed

[senz]

15. ...

Have I ever told you how much I admire you?



However, I hope you'll be careful.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

16. The feeling is quite mutual. Thank you.

I've never been particularly "careful" when it comes to politics. Got chased around campus by the cops back in day when I was young and agile and not very careful at a demo against the war. Fond memories. But, they'd catch me now.

[senz]

22. Ah yes the headstrong type.

Meanwhile, us scaredy cats shout from the sidelines to please be careful.

I sort of got chased at an anti-war demo -- really bad stuff, cops on horses dressed like robots swinging batons at a bunch of very good people who, just a few minutes before, were singing antiwar songs. I almost got man-handled but for some reason the cop took his hands off me and let me go. It was an ugly scene, however. Really nasty memory.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

31. Without fear there is no bravery.

I wasn't particularly afraid of that cop, just a bit surprised that he picked me. I think it was I had a USMC dungaree shirt on with a big peace sign stenciled on the back. Semper Fi and all that. But, I calculated I had a good jump on him and was in better shape back then. I was a helluva lot more scared when I got busted with some homemade plum brandy in a paddy field in Taiwan and had to stand in front of my born-again CO. I lost a stripe for that adventure but could have faced up to 22 years in Portsmouth for being a) off limits b) under age for drinking c) possession of contraband (the brandy that the Taiwanes soldier traded me for 2 packs of cigs. I didn't expect 22 years but I was damned worried about 30 days in the brig.

[senz]

32. Gotta admit, that sounds like an adventure.

Am slightly envious.

But it must have been extremely harrowing at the time, especially with the threat of brig time. Glad it worked out okay. Hope the plum brandy was good and the loss of a stripe didn't have many material repercussions.

Now, of course, we're mature and act with modicum of prudence and discretion. Or try to.

[malletgirl02]

12. You want Sanders

supporters to support Clinton yet you call us BSers. I will vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination. Will you vote for Sanders if he wins the nomination?

[Armstead]

18. One word -- GOP

....It's a generic D vote against Trump, Cruze or whomever the GOP puts up against the D candidate.

[senz]

14. Her campaign changes her message based on upcoming primaries.

They cynically decide which demographic she needs and then gear their message to frighten/alienate that demographic away from Bernie.

Prior to "super Tuesday," she considered PoC to be her "firewall" and needed to paint Bernie as racist -- despite the fact that he does not have a racist bone in his body and has been a lifelong advocate for PoC, while she has NEVER been a supporter of PoC.

Right now she needs to win Florida, and her internal polling is apparently showing the anti-Castro crowd as a necessity. Ergo: she has to paint Bernie as a goddam Castro-loving commie.

I hope to God that the Bernie campaign is aware of this and will take steps to inoculate him in the future. He should have been ready for that 30-year-old video clip of his argument against U.S. hostilities toward Cuba. He wasn't ready. He needs to be, in the future.

When good people are unprepared, bad people have the advantage.

[Armstead]

19. I think he does have the fault of trusting too much

I realize that's an odd characterization, because his message is so hard-nosed and cynical about the system overall.

But I think he is also a decent person who assumes Democrats would not pull underhanded shit like that and take his words so far out of context.

Here's the full interview. The statement is somewhere after the 10 minute mark.

[senz]

21. Intelligence and moral sensibilities are pretty much unrelated.

Bernie is brilliant, alert, and politically aware, but morally, he is something of an innocent. It's like he can see good and evil on the broad societal level, but interpersonally, he tends to judge others by himself. I used to be like that; it's insufficiently self-protective. I am sure this sudden fame, sudden increase in responsibility, is a yuuge growth experience for Bernie -- at age 74, no less.

Thanks for the video; I'll look at it in a bit.

[Armstead]

26. Watch the whole video when you get a chance

It shows Bernie outside the straightjacket of the campaign. I wish more people could see him like this.

[malletgirl02]

20. Hillary Clinton redbaits Bernie Sanders

and then her and supporters expects Bernie Sander's supporters to happily fall in line if she wins the nomination. For the record I will vote for Clinton if she wins the nomination, but the red baiting by her is making it hard.

[senz]

23. Yep, for every primary voter they win that way, they lose with Sanders supporters.

Just might sink them.

[greymouse]

24. Many people fled Cuba to come to the US

because they were oligarchs, living on the bodies of the lower classes and supporting Batista's torture regime.

[Armstead]

25. That's history....Clinton prefers to ignore history it seems

[malletgirl02]

27. Batista

I am pretty sure Hillary Clinton has no idea who Batista was. There is widespread ignorance of Cuba before Fidel Castro. I think people people think it use to be a democracy prior to the overthrow of Batista.

[Armstead]

28. I'm sure many people have seen the Godfather...

But don;t see the connection

[Hoyt]

29. If that bothers you, what do you think would happen in the GE.

The GOPers will have Sanders looking like Pol Pot.

Personally, never bought the red scare BS, but lots of folks do.

[Armstead]

30. Doesn't bother me coming from the GOP

Well it does botehr me, but we all know that's how they roll.

But I would expect better than red baiting from a leading Democrat in a primary....(silly me)

[jillan]

33. How very kind of a Hillary surrogate to go on Fox and give them video and talking points.

Fuck you very much.

All at the same time we hear from Brock that we better be nice to Hillary so we don't ruin her for the GE.

Isn't that exactly what her campaign is about? It's all about HER and nobody else.

[aidbo]

34. "No, there is nothing to base that on, As far as I know." -Hillary Clinton..

..on the question of whether or not Barack Obama is a Muslim.

[PowerToThePeople]

35. I'll take a drink a drink from

my beer Stein. Or write in my frustrations about Sanders in my journal, if HRC is the nominee.

[BlueStateLib]

36. The mayor of Miami Tomás Pedro Regalado is a republican and has endorsed Rubio

From OP: But then I had Fox news on for a little while and one of Clinton's surrogates, the Mayor of Miami, was being interviewed.

The host asked if he could support Sanders if he were the nominee. The Good Mayor said Clinton would be the nominee and refused to answer the question.

Then he got even better. "Sanders is a socialist. That sounds good to kids who are young. But older voters here in Miami know what a Socialist Revolution is all about. Many people fled to the US to escape from that. They don't want anything like that here."

Responding to a question about climate change submitted by Miami Mayor Tomás Pedro Regalado, who has endorsed Rubio, Rubio said he would not pass a law restricting U.S. businesses to try to counter climate change because it would have no impact.
http://www.syracuse.com/politics/index.ssf/2016/03/post_6.html

[Armstead]

38. Mayor Philip Levine of Miami Beach

https://www.facebook.com/mayorphiliplevine/

The appearance I am referring to is referred to on his Facebook page with Neil Cavuto

Pardon if my knowledge of Florida municipalities is of the level of a New England boy who's never been in the state.

[Betty Karlson]

39. Praise Nancy!

that's when she irrevocably lost me.