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EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:28 PM Mar 2016

WashPost asks: "Why aren't Jews backing Sanders?" Which raises another important question:

Why aren't Sanders supporters asking Jewish voters to explain why they're supporting Hillary over Sanders?

Is it because, unlike voters of color, Jewish voters aren't assumed by some to be low-information voters, voting against their interests because of blind loyalty who need to have Sanders' value explained to them? Or are there other reasons?

Sanders is also up against an opponent with deep ties to the Jewish community. The Clintons have long enjoyed the support of many Jewish voters, including some significant donors.

“We like Hillary Clinton. We’ve known her well for many, many years. We’ve worked with her. There’s a tremendous comfort level,” said Rabinowitz, the former Bill Clinton staffer. “Bernie Sanders? Eh, don’t know him so well. Like him. Excited for him. Proud about his success. But we’re with the other guy.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/acts-of-faith/wp/2016/03/08/bernie-sanders-is-jewish-why-isnt-that-convincing-jews-to-vote-for-him/

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WashPost asks: "Why aren't Jews backing Sanders?" Which raises another important question: (Original Post) EffieBlack Mar 2016 OP
I will have to tell everyone at the synagogue where I work to take off those Sanders shirts, I guess villager Mar 2016 #1
+10. LOL eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #117
Says the "former Clinton advisor" JackRiddler Mar 2016 #2
Why don't you read the whole story before commenting? EffieBlack Mar 2016 #3
I can't speak for JackRiddler, but I read the whole story Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #30
The writer admits they have zero data to back up their premise. Marr Mar 2016 #33
ONLY THE HEADLINE MATTERS. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #70
EffieBlack, would you mind responding to the clarifications? kristopher Mar 2016 #96
Who cares who they support. People will support the candidate of their choice. Autumn Mar 2016 #4
I agree - but a whole lot of your fellow Sanders supporters don't EffieBlack Mar 2016 #6
I'm adult enough to ignore the Clinton supporters who do that shit and not complain about it. Autumn Mar 2016 #9
Clinton Supporters malletgirl02 Mar 2016 #12
One guy did the Stockholm thing, and it's gone. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #13
But they might support Barack Obama's former Secretary of State Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #17
Deluge of lectures meaning that Stockholm Syndrome post which also targeted LGBT which is never Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #16
And now it is being done to a different minority group, Jews. Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #104
Many thanks, the antisemitic undertone has been building was sure to get fully rolling soon enough.. Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #114
It sure has. Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #115
I respect your choice! I don't assume anyone katsy Mar 2016 #25
Former Bill Clinton staffer? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #5
Obviously, you haven't even bothered to read the article EffieBlack Mar 2016 #11
Many Jews also support Republicans because they think Obama has been too hard on Netanyahu. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #14
I don't care!! madfloridian Mar 2016 #22
Opinion! katsy Mar 2016 #34
"Do you deny that Hillary has a larger share of Jewish support than Sanders?" Loudestlib Mar 2016 #43
Please post your evidence. The article says there is no jwirr Mar 2016 #95
I read the article, you should try it. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #99
That is what I am saying. jwirr Mar 2016 #100
Ha! I think we are confused. Loudestlib Mar 2016 #102
Please provide stats to support your allegation that more Jews support HRC Arazi Mar 2016 #68
Posts 2, 3, 30, 33, and 70 seem to take your claims to the woodshed. True or not? kristopher Mar 2016 #97
Just as all women don't have to support 'the woman', all Jews don't have to support 'the Jew'. cyberpj Mar 2016 #7
+1 LWolf Mar 2016 #112
WaPo...LOL! HooptieWagon Mar 2016 #8
Do we actually have stats on how Jews are voting? kcjohn1 Mar 2016 #10
I've seen no statistics on how Jews are voting in the 2016 primaries. Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #107
There haven't been any. Behind the Aegis Mar 2016 #110
A lot of us were excited about Lieberman in 2000 democrattotheend Mar 2016 #118
Haven't read the link, Effie, but I can guess at an answer here Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #15
And now this shit begins....more bait, more hooks, it's Stockholm Part Two, Electric Boogaloo Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #18
16 attacks in 16 hours hopemountain Mar 2016 #19
This is what vetting looks like. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #21
hmm. i'm hopemountain Mar 2016 #23
Ha! :-D NurseJackie Mar 2016 #24
No, this is using that as an excuse to serve cooked-up Brock-lie smeared with smarm looks like. kristopher Mar 2016 #98
According to the article, they have no idea if Jewish ppl are voting Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #20
Very Sad noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #26
God, not more attempts to stir up racial divisions. Does Team Hillary have *any* other plays? Marr Mar 2016 #27
Sanders is trailing among disabled LGBT Eskimos jberryhill Mar 2016 #31
Most people just bet on the winner DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #28
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #29
You say that as though there aren't already tens of thousands of minorities Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #36
Sanders is appealing primarily to white people and his supporters act Hoyt Mar 2016 #39
It is so odd that you can say things like that with such certainty. Cal Carpenter Mar 2016 #45
And Latinas like me who are excited to caucus for him this month! nt artislife Mar 2016 #82
Oh look. A WaPo article. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #32
it's so shiny hollysmom Mar 2016 #35
For few and I don' believe blocks are quite so blocky as others hollysmom Mar 2016 #37
All anecdotes, no stats. Until we have real numbers this is sheer speculation Arazi Mar 2016 #38
The premise of the article is based on anecdote and not data. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #40
There is polling...well, one, but it is not recent Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #44
AJC 2015 Survey of American Jewish Opinion, questioned nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #47
Someone asked for data Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #72
And the data point was valid up to two weeks nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #73
That's what I thought. Not nearly the dedicated voter block as AfAms with HRC. aikoaiko Mar 2016 #48
My suspicion Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #75
That poll is biased: beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #77
Someone asked for data Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #80
I have, as far as I know there are none. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #81
I'm trying to look at some of the data Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #83
I did find this from the sun-sentinel/florida jewish journal Chitown Kev Mar 2016 #85
I'm Jewish. I support Sanders. According to the current agenda of DU, you asking this question Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #41
Why are YOU asking the very thing your first sentence says "isn't happening"? Bonobo Mar 2016 #42
You know there is no polling info on this right? nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #46
See post #44 above. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #50
You are going to hang your hat on a poll done in August of 2015 nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #53
You said none. That's not quite true. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #55
You are going to hang your hat on that nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #57
Nope, you're hanging your hat on "none" and "none" is not correct. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #59
I am hanging my hat on this poll was done nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #60
Working in media, you should know the dangers of absolute terms like "All" and "None" stevenleser Mar 2016 #65
I am not attacking you nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #67
August of 2015. LOL. I would be embarrassed if I were a "journalist". nt Bonobo Mar 2016 #74
August! Incredible, no? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #61
As I said, this I expected nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #63
Why haven't they tried the identity voting schtick on Armenians yet? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #69
Damn, now I know... nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #71
As SOS she was so helpful to Greece during the crisis. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #76
yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #87
By Washington Post method... JackRiddler Mar 2016 #54
And as I said, I know a few that will vote for Trump nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #58
To be honest, so do I. JackRiddler Mar 2016 #64
Yup. yup, yup nadinbrzezinski Mar 2016 #66
Very similar to the reasons African Americans are supporting her. Deep history. nt stevenleser Mar 2016 #49
Hey, Journalist and unpaid FOXNEWS pundit Steve Leser, how are you? JackRiddler Mar 2016 #52
Little Julie Zauzmer, couple o' years out of Harvard... SMC22307 Mar 2016 #51
So many people here failing reading-comprehension 101 ,its stunning, sorry Effie pkdu Mar 2016 #56
That's because it doesn't fit their narrative. grossproffit Mar 2016 #88
More division. bunnies Mar 2016 #62
Clinton is hawkish regarding Israel. HassleCat Mar 2016 #78
I think we should be careful of what we decide to make an OP artislife Mar 2016 #79
Has Bernie Sanders ever addressed growing antisemitism on US college campuses? grossproffit Mar 2016 #84
Hillary fans-- this, right here, is why people don't trust your candidate. Marr Mar 2016 #86
^^^THIS^^^ beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #90
x 100000 AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #92
Ugly is as ugly does Aerows Mar 2016 #94
Agree. And every time they do it, it hurts their cause in the long run. Bread and Circus Mar 2016 #103
I've put up a large Bernie banner in my front yard OutNow Mar 2016 #89
What I have noticed is that a lot of media pundits of Jewish persuasion tend not to back Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #91
Sam Seder of The Majority Report Eric J in MN Mar 2016 #109
I have trouble responding to this post Aerows Mar 2016 #93
Who says??? elleng Mar 2016 #101
Please explain to me why you think a person's religion, race, gender should play a role ... slipslidingaway Mar 2016 #105
Why don't all WOMEN vote for Hillary????!11111!!???? Fearless Mar 2016 #106
I'm Methodist and not supporting Hillary. SMC22307 Mar 2016 #108
With all these groups not supporting Sanders how the flying fuck does he win any primaries? Warren Stupidity Mar 2016 #111
More divisive bullshit. Blue_In_AK Mar 2016 #113
Some Jews are afraid of having a Jewish president democrattotheend Mar 2016 #116
 

villager

(26,001 posts)
1. I will have to tell everyone at the synagogue where I work to take off those Sanders shirts, I guess
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:30 PM
Mar 2016

The Washington Post has just declared their support isn't real!

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
30. I can't speak for JackRiddler, but I read the whole story
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:31 PM
Mar 2016

and they have no evidence for the claim that Jewish people aren't voting for Bernie aside from anecdotes from the likes of that former Clinton staffer.

I opened the link to see the numbers because I was curious how the vote was split. The article makes clear that there is no polling, no evidence, that it just seems that Jewish voters aren't supporting Bernie. Late in the article it states "it’s all guesswork." Well, that seems like a pretty spurious claim to use as the basis of an article.

That headline is divisive crap.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
33. The writer admits they have zero data to back up their premise.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:34 PM
Mar 2016

They buried that part in the middle. I guess you didn't read that far, if you actually thought this article was indicative of anything but the Hillary campaign's disgusting tendency to use race/gender/ethnicity as a wedge.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
70. ONLY THE HEADLINE MATTERS.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:34 PM
Mar 2016

It then gets recycled on social media - also as threads here, as if here matters any more. It is all 99% of everyone who runs into this garbage will EVER SEE. Headlines are EVERYTHING. WaPo is obsolete and doesn't disguise its bias, while still claiming "objectivity." For this purpose it's a burden that any text needs to be written. Mock-text could fill in the space, except someone would notice and then that would be the story: "WaPo no longer bothering to write any stories below the headline before publishing."

In this case, you can be certain the headline preceded any effort by the "journalist." "Write a story about why Sanders is so unpopular with Jews." It must have been a burden indeed. The writer called a couple of people he already knew would give him the requisite quotes, and voila.

Story! Journalism!

Autumn

(45,058 posts)
4. Who cares who they support. People will support the candidate of their choice.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:36 PM
Mar 2016

No ones fucking business but their own. It's like me asking you why you support Hillary or you asking me why I support Bernie. It's a choice we have.

Not surprised at all that Rabinowitz, a former Bill Clinton staffer support Clinton. I'm a former Hillary supporter, don't support her anymore.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
6. I agree - but a whole lot of your fellow Sanders supporters don't
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

As evidenced by the deluge of lectures about how black people voting for Hillary are voting against our interests, clueless, victims of Stockholm Syndrome, etc. accompanied by sanctimonious and condescending demands that we explain why we're voting the way we are.

Autumn

(45,058 posts)
9. I'm adult enough to ignore the Clinton supporters who do that shit and not complain about it.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:48 PM
Mar 2016

Your vote is your business not mine or no one else's. You can vote for Trump and I don't care.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
13. One guy did the Stockholm thing, and it's gone.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:53 PM
Mar 2016

We aren't collectively to blame for that one.

And we're going to see a very different break in the AA vote in Illinois, Missouri, and Ohio.

Black voters in Chicago are not going to give heavy support to Rahm Emanuel's candidate.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
17. But they might support Barack Obama's former Secretary of State
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:00 PM
Mar 2016

I already voted:

I didn't think of Rahm Emanuel when I saw Hillary Clinton's name on the ballot.

I DID think of Rahm Emanuel when I saw Anita Alvarez's name on the ballot.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
16. Deluge of lectures meaning that Stockholm Syndrome post which also targeted LGBT which is never
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:58 PM
Mar 2016

mentioned by those citing it and which was full of many persons who support Bernie raising holy hell at that OP. I posted very strongly in objection to that OP and I support Bernie but you are hanging that OP around my neck as well which makes you exactly the same as the twit who posted that OP in the first place.

You have a nice day.

Behind the Aegis

(53,952 posts)
104. And now it is being done to a different minority group, Jews.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:06 AM
Mar 2016

Funny how we were ignored when we were slammed as GLBT people, and now, the same play is being made toward Jews. Actually, it reads more of a complaint (maybe an accusation?) that Jews aren't getting the same treatment.

ETA: BTW...this gay Jew thanks you for your comments then, since then, and now! L'Chaim chaver!

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
114. Many thanks, the antisemitic undertone has been building was sure to get fully rolling soon enough..
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:37 PM
Mar 2016

and here it is.

Behind the Aegis

(53,952 posts)
115. It sure has.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:01 PM
Mar 2016

Of course, it is always interesting to watch people get "suddenly" interested in GLBT issues and homophobia when it serves their agenda, this is exemplified in a post in LBN about Jewish students being harassed, and then morphs into something else. Anti-Semitism: the hate that keeps on "giving."

katsy

(4,246 posts)
25. I respect your choice! I don't assume anyone
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:24 PM
Mar 2016

is low info unless something totally whack comes out of their mouth.

You don't need to defend your choice but I see you posting here over and again about how bad Bernie supporters are. There's a whole slew of Bernie supporters here that aren't "over exuberant" so how about a nice shout out to them!

People have their own opinions. Alls good! No one is holding your vote hostage! I totally respect your vote.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
11. Obviously, you haven't even bothered to read the article
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:50 PM
Mar 2016

Do you deny that Hillary has a larger share of Jewish support than Sanders? If she does, why aren't Sanders supporters questioning why that is?

Funny thing, I snipped the quote some of you are sneering at because it offered an explanation that is consistent with one of the reasons voters of color are giving for supporting Hillary over Bernie. It makes no difference who it came from but you seem to be so caught up in the anti-anything Clinton hysteria that you can't even address it.

Why do you think that Jews are supporting Hillary in larger numbers than they are supporting Bernie? And why aren't Bernie supporters asking Jews that question?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
14. Many Jews also support Republicans because they think Obama has been too hard on Netanyahu.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:55 PM
Mar 2016

Do you really believe all Jews think alike?



madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
22. I don't care!!
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:18 PM
Mar 2016

What is this...more David Brock type attacks that mean nothing at all?

Find the source of this...will head straight back to a Clinton operative....just like the racial attacks on Bernie.

It's all so shameful. Hillary needs to speak out about it.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
43. "Do you deny that Hillary has a larger share of Jewish support than Sanders?"
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

I do. Now prove me wrong.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
99. I read the article, you should try it.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:58 PM
Mar 2016

"most national polling does not report which candidates Jews have voted for in the primaries and caucuses, or who they say they will support."

It's an opinion piece with no evidence, because there is none.

Loudestlib

(980 posts)
102. Ha! I think we are confused.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:21 AM
Mar 2016

I replied to: EffieBlack (4,394 posts)

"11. Obviously, you haven't even bothered to read the article

Do you deny that Hillary has a larger share of Jewish support than Sanders? If she does, why aren't Sanders supporters questioning why that is?

Funny thing, I snipped the quote some of you are sneering at because it offered an explanation that is consistent with one of the reasons voters of color are giving for supporting Hillary over Bernie. It makes no difference who it came from but you seem to be so caught up in the anti-anything Clinton hysteria that you can't even address it.

Why do you think that Jews are supporting Hillary in larger numbers than they are supporting Bernie? And why aren't Bernie supporters asking Jews that question? "

He asked if anyone denied that Hillary has a larger share of the Jewish support than Sanders, I replied that I do deny that she has a larger share. It's tough being the underdog. We are always on defense.

 

cyberpj

(10,794 posts)
7. Just as all women don't have to support 'the woman', all Jews don't have to support 'the Jew'.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:40 PM
Mar 2016

But to believe WashPost and the one Jew they asked (who is a former Bill Clinton staffer for Pete's sake) is more than a little naive.


kcjohn1

(751 posts)
10. Do we actually have stats on how Jews are voting?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:49 PM
Mar 2016

So far all the votes have being in states with very little amount of jewish voters.

Probably the only area with any significant jewish presence is Oakland county in Michigan, and that went to Clinton 53-46 far cry from what we saw in the deep south where AA voters went to Clinton 91-9. Its mind boggling that people are offended when people ask why certain groups are voting the way they are doing, especially when its in uniform pattern.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
107. I've seen no statistics on how Jews are voting in the 2016 primaries.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:46 AM
Mar 2016

But this is the second article I've seen claiming Jews were more excited about Joe Lieberman.

Personally, I'm Jewish, and in 2000 and 2004 I knew zero Joe Lieberman supporters of any religion.

Today, I know multiple Jews who support Bernie Sanders and multiple Jews who support Hillary Clinton.

Behind the Aegis

(53,952 posts)
110. There haven't been any.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:13 AM
Mar 2016

Like you, I too am Jewish. I knew plenty of Lieberman Jewish supporters in both times, less so in 2004. I don't care for how Lieberman "evolved" but the revisionism is irksome to say the least. "2000 Joe" wasn't the same "2004 Joe", and people need to remember this. While he was always traditionally Jewish and observant, he didn't take a hard right turn until after 9-11.

As for Sanders and Clinton, I haven't met by one Jew who is backing Clinton, everyone else is behind Sanders or leaning that way. However, this is just another form of baiting, and more of this type of bullshit is sure to come!

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
118. A lot of us were excited about Lieberman in 2000
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

Even though he was too conservative for my liking, I felt proud that he was chosen to be Gore's VP because it was a symbol of how far we have come. Just like some black conservatives were proud of Obama's election even though they didn't agree with him politically (and may not have even voted for him). Plus, Lieberman wasn't nearly as intolerable back then as he became later.

At the same time, a lot of Jews were/are wary of having a Jewish president or vice president because throughout history one of the main antisemitic tropes has been that Jews have too much influence in government.

FWIW, I am way more excited about the prospect of Bernie becoming president than I was about the prospect of Lieberman becoming VP in 2000. And no, I didn't support Lieberman when he ran for president in 2004.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
15. Haven't read the link, Effie, but I can guess at an answer here
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 07:57 PM
Mar 2016

Traditionally, Jewish voters are one of the most solid supporters of Democrats that you can find...every bit as solid as African americans, in fact, though in much fewer numbers.

hopemountain

(3,919 posts)
19. 16 attacks in 16 hours
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

The Washington Post Ran 16 negative stories attacking Bernie in 16 hours.

"In what hat has to be some kind of record, the Washington Post ran 16 negative stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 hours, between roughly 10:20 PM EST Sunday, March 6, to 3:54 PM EST Monday, March 7—a window that includes the crucial Democratic debate in Flint, Michigan, and the next morning’s spin:


http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/washington-post-ran-16-negative-stories-bernie-sanders-16-hours

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
20. According to the article, they have no idea if Jewish ppl are voting
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:12 PM
Mar 2016

for Bernie or Hillary, so it seems odd that it is framed this way based on a few anecdotes. I've got some anecdotes, too

The reasons that Jews as a whole seem not to be enthusiastic Sanders supporters are multifaceted, and difficult to fully ascertain since most national polling does not report which candidates Jews have voted for in the primaries and caucuses, or who they say they will support.

Most Jews are Democrats — 64 percent, compared to 26 percent who are Republican, according to Pew. Beyond that, it’s all guesswork.

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
26. Very Sad
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

Let them push this divisive narrative. People are getting wise to it. Bernie wants to unite people and the only way they can try to prevent it is by dividing us. Sad.

Among young Jews, Sanders has a strong following — just as he has drawn devoted supporters among young Democrats of all religions. However, many of those young Americans less reliably come out to the polls (except when they come out in huge numbers).
 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
27. God, not more attempts to stir up racial divisions. Does Team Hillary have *any* other plays?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

Or, right-- stirring up divisions based on gender.

Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
36. You say that as though there aren't already tens of thousands of minorities
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:42 PM
Mar 2016

who have already voted for Bernie, let alone all of those who will vote for him in the coming weeks.

So divisive and condescending. And I'm finally going to say what I've been thinking for ages: the man in your avatar would be rolling in his grave....

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
39. Sanders is appealing primarily to white people and his supporters act
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:46 PM
Mar 2016

like minorities are too stupid to decide who will best represent them/us/country. It is, as I said, disgusting.

Cal Carpenter

(4,959 posts)
45. It is so odd that you can say things like that with such certainty.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

I'm at a loss. It is odd, and it is also sad, because you are saying horrible things about some wonderful people and disregarding the hundreds of thousands (millions?) of minorities who will have voted for him when this is all said and done.

Don't they matter? It sounds almost like you are projecting your own disdain for people who don't see things like you do.

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
37. For few and I don' believe blocks are quite so blocky as others
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

but for a few, it might be that Hillary Clinton is much more aggressive on Israel that Bernie Sanders.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
40. The premise of the article is based on anecdote and not data.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

Show me some data.

I suppose WAPO doesn't have the data to support this piece or they would have cited it.

But don't let that stop you from casting aspersions of racism.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
44. There is polling...well, one, but it is not recent
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:04 PM
Mar 2016

Regarding the 2016 presidential field, Hillary Clinton was the runaway favorite of American Jews. Nearly 40 percent of those polled chose her as their first choice out of a list of the four Democratic hopefuls and 10 GOP hopefuls. Clinton’s top challenger, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont, was the second choice, garnering 18 percent. Billionaire businessman Donald Trump was the third choice (10 percent), while Jeb Bush polled fourth (9 percent).

The poll, the AJC 2015 Survey of American Jewish Opinion, questioned 1,030 American Jews from Aug. 7-22, when the Iran debate was reaching a fever pitch and a Congressional vote on the deal neared. The survey, which was released last week on the eve of the High Holidays, has a margin of error of plus or minus 4.7 percent.

In terms of the respondents’ demographics, 35 percent of respondents said they were Reform, 17.6 percent Conservative, 8.1 percent Orthodox and 1.3 percent Reconstructionist. Thirty-seven percent of respondents — nearly four in 10 — said they were Just Jewish, unconnected to any denomination.

Nearly 49 percent labeled themselves as Democrat, 19 percent Republican and 32 percent Independent. Forty-five percent of those polled said they are liberal or lean liberal, 22 percent said conservative or lean conservative. Thirty-four percent described themselves as moderate/middle of the road.


http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/national/looking-ahead-16-vote-iran-not-jews-radar
 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
47. AJC 2015 Survey of American Jewish Opinion, questioned
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:08 PM
Mar 2016

Jesus, you really do know that at that instant in time Sanders was not that well known RIGHT? The story stinks, and it is exactly what I expected an operative to do sooner or later. I guess it is now sooner.

August 22, 2015 that data has been not really valid for a loong time by the way

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
72. Someone asked for data
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:35 PM
Mar 2016

this is the most recent that I could find other than one poll that was done in Israel...

...and you want to get on my ass about it...folks need to calm the fuck down

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
48. That's what I thought. Not nearly the dedicated voter block as AfAms with HRC.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:10 PM
Mar 2016

It was probably still 8:1 support for HRC from Black voters last September while it was only 2:1 for Jewish Americans.

I'm not seeing the parallel that the OP is premised upon.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
75. My suspicion
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:39 PM
Mar 2016

It would probably be in the 60-40/65-35 range for Clinton. I've studied this a little bit in the past and from what I have studied, Jewish people tend to be rock solid Democrats.

One story did note, though, that one

And no Jewish Congressperson has endorsed Sanders that I can think of.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
77. That poll is biased:
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016
AJC POLL: U.S. JEWS SPLIT ON IRAN DEAL, CLINTON THE PREFERRED PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE
September 11, 2015


WASHINGTON (JTA) —

That’s a virtual tie, based on the 4.7 percent margin of error. The poll of 1,035 Jews was conducted Aug. 7-22 by GfK. Recent general population polling has showed support for the deal plummeting to the 20s.

...

On the Iran deal, the AJC pollsters went for a straightforward question: “Recently, the U.S., along with five other countries, reached a deal on Iran’s nuclear program. Do you approve or disapprove of this agreement?”

A range of other polls of U.S. Jews on the Iran issue have been accused of bias because of questions that attempted to contextualize or explain the deal.

In a follow-up question, the AJC respondents showed a lack of confidence in the ability of the deal to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons. Those who replied “very confident” numbered just 4.9 percent, while “somewhat confident” were at 30.7 percent; The “not so confident” came in at 30.1 percent and the “not at all confident” were at 33.2 percent. Overall, that showed 35.6 percent expressing confidence in the deal and 64.3 percent expressing a lack of confidence.

...

Respondents were slightly likelier than not to believe that ties between the United States and Israel were strained. Asked if U.S.-Israel ties were getting better or worse, 4.7 percent said “better” and 42.2 percent said they were the same, while 51.9 percent said they were worse.

Respondents were culled from a pool of 55,000 people who had been asked through a system of random selection to participate in such surveys. They responded via email.

Traditional pollsters prefer cold-calling, saying that self-selection — in this case, by agreeing to be part of a survey pool —inevitably skews results, leaving out respondents who might otherwise not have prepared themselves for polling. However, with the advent of cell phones, cold-call surveys have become for some groups prohibitively expensive, and an increasing number of polls are conducted through email among respondents who have expressed a willingness to be surveyed.

- See more at: http://www.ajc.org/site/apps/nlnet/content2.aspx?c=7oJILSPwFfJSG&b=8479729&ct=14762867#.dpuf

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
80. Someone asked for data
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:49 PM
Mar 2016

other than a poll of Jewish Israelis, that's all that I've found.

I'm certain that some of those numbers have changed.

You are welcome to look for other polls.

Here's an even older poll with results that you might like

http://jpupdates.com/2015/04/27/ny-poll-shows-hillary-clinton-vulnerable-among-jewish-voters/

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
81. I have, as far as I know there are none.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:51 PM
Mar 2016

The only reason I know about this one is because someone else recently cited some of the data without linking to it and I had to find it myself.

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
83. I'm trying to look at some of the data
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016

from more localized Jewish newspapers and blogs...they MIGHT have something pertaining to the locality

Chitown Kev

(2,197 posts)
85. I did find this from the sun-sentinel/florida jewish journal
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:08 PM
Mar 2016
http://jpupdates.com/2015/04/27/ny-poll-shows-hillary-clinton-vulnerable-among-jewish-voters/

It's only speculation as opposed to data but...it does talk about the Lieberman effect...and the Obama effect.

"Because he so much downplays his Jewishness, he doesn't invite a triumphant ethnocentric response of people who would say, 'I'm Jewish; he's Jewish,'" said Rabbi Jonah Pesner, the director of the Religious Action Center, which is the nonpartisan political activism arm of Reform Judaism, the most numerous and generally the most liberal of the Jewish denominations in America.

Pesner also theorized that Sanders's candidacy does not feel so unprecedented to most American Jews, thus dimming the enthusiasm for a historic campaign.

"It's not like Joe Lieberman, where it really felt remarkable. Now, it's not remarkable. Fifteen years is a long time," Pesner said. "We've had a black president. Don't underestimate what that means to the Jewish community."

Pesner speculated that seeing one minority candidate achieve the nation's highest office has eased the anxieties about acceptance among other minority groups, including Jews, who make up about 2 percent of the American population. Mitt Romney, a Mormon who became the Republican nominee in 2012, seemed to prove the same point.

Windmueller echoed that. "A number of things have changed. The election of a black president has already broken the color line. . .. Everyone or anyone can see him or herself or her group in the political mix."


http://www.sun-sentinel.com/florida-jewish-journal/jj-bernie-sanders-is-jewish-but-that-isn-t-convincing-jews-to-vote-for-him-20160308-story.html


 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
41. I'm Jewish. I support Sanders. According to the current agenda of DU, you asking this question
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:49 PM
Mar 2016

...is offensive to me.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
42. Why are YOU asking the very thing your first sentence says "isn't happening"?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 08:51 PM
Mar 2016

You say:

"Why aren't Sanders supporters asking Jewish voters to explain why they're supporting Hillary over Sanders? "

And yet... that is exactly what you are doing.

It would be funny if it didn't stink.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
46. You know there is no polling info on this right?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:05 PM
Mar 2016

by the way, using the same crappy anecdotal data, why are Jews voting for Trump?

Yes, I know a few.

Oh and i know of a word that is coming to mind, but given I expected this FROM CAMPAIGN operatives, I am all but shocked or surprised.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
53. You are going to hang your hat on a poll done in August of 2015
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016

m'kay... it is March... it is way past it's expiration point as valid data. But you knew that

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
60. I am hanging my hat on this poll was done
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:27 PM
Mar 2016

so long ago that what I said is far more valid. YOU FRACKING KNOW THAT, or at least you should as working media. But hey, whatever, by the WAPO methods, why are Jews voting for Trump?

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
65. Working in media, you should know the dangers of absolute terms like "All" and "None"
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

And instead of attacking me for pointing out the error of your using one of them in this case, you should acknowledge the point and move on.

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
67. I am not attacking you
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:30 PM
Mar 2016

and you are the one using all and none... and trying to divide people into nice little boxes, stacks as it were. So is the campaign by the way. I find it quite insulting to voters.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
61. August! Incredible, no?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

Back when Sanders had 100% name recognition in Vermont and 8% everywhere else.

Whatever seems to support the predetermined case, I guess.

Anyway, this is VERY important - how do people sorted into identity categories respond to the names of individuals.

Issues of actual concern to a polity are NOT important. No, no!

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
63. As I said, this I expected
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

and the way of framing this is well... we are now seeing the leading edge of that. I wonder if the OP is a (lead) balloon as it were?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
69. Why haven't they tried the identity voting schtick on Armenians yet?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

Or my Greeks? I am so devastated! No one's pandering to us before things get to New York, if ever. No doubt we'll discover from the WaPo or Journalist Steve Leser that 97.8% of Greeks support Clinton because of the long history of her close and loving association with them.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
76. As SOS she was so helpful to Greece during the crisis.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:41 PM
Mar 2016

She'll probably remember that. She went to the IMF and EU and said, "Hey guys, cut it out!"

Where was Sanders?!

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
54. By Washington Post method...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:25 PM
Mar 2016

In New York I've spoken to two dozen Jewish people at least, and they're all for Bernie Sanders.

So, again, by WaPo method, how will Clinton recover from losing 100% of the Jewish vote?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
64. To be honest, so do I.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:29 PM
Mar 2016

Anyway, what matters is not why they might do that. What matters is to sort them into a box by identity and claim this identity is the most important determinant in their vote.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
52. Hey, Journalist and unpaid FOXNEWS pundit Steve Leser, how are you?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:24 PM
Mar 2016
Journalist Steve Leser in 2008: Hillary is a liar.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=658816

You are wrong about the direction both of these groups are headed from Tuesday forward. But that's not surprising.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
51. Little Julie Zauzmer, couple o' years out of Harvard...
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:13 PM
Mar 2016

now spreading FUD at the WaPo. Perhaps she and Capehart will join forces for some of that hard-hitting journalism we've come to expect.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
56. So many people here failing reading-comprehension 101 ,its stunning, sorry Effie
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:26 PM
Mar 2016

its staring them in the face , but they just cant see the question you are posing.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
78. Clinton is hawkish regarding Israel.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:45 PM
Mar 2016

She promises a more pro-Israel foreign policy, meaning a more aggressive approach to Iran, perhaps dismantling the nuclear agreement. This may explain why Sanders is making inroads with Arab and Muslim voters.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
79. I think we should be careful of what we decide to make an OP
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 09:48 PM
Mar 2016

I believe the unwritten rule is that we must be the minority in questions to post about minority voting demographics and what that minority may or may not do, based on visible or written documentation. Otherwise, we will be guilty of x-splaining or talking out of turn. If not actually being accused of being racists or using minorities to benefit our candidate.






grossproffit

(5,591 posts)
84. Has Bernie Sanders ever addressed growing antisemitism on US college campuses?
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:06 PM
Mar 2016

Or elsewhere?

I've heard him often address Islamophobia, racism but have yet to hear anything on antisemitism. Hopefully, I just missed it.

Thanks in advance.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
86. Hillary fans-- this, right here, is why people don't trust your candidate.
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:10 PM
Mar 2016

Her campaign, and apparently her supporters, care nothing for facts and data-- just headlines. They gleefully and cynically use race/ethnicity/gender as a wedge, and giggle when called on it.

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
94. Ugly is as ugly does
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:31 PM
Mar 2016

and you absolutely Marr'ed the hell out of that.

(You and the Mordor gif has forever endeared you to my heart. I laugh about that every time I see your name, with joy, that we have such thoughtful and witty people on DU)

OutNow

(863 posts)
89. I've put up a large Bernie banner in my front yard
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 10:55 PM
Mar 2016

My first idea was to put up a banner that said "another old Jewish socialist for Sanders" but my wife thought many folks wouldn't get it. Maybe I should revisit my first idea?

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
91. What I have noticed is that a lot of media pundits of Jewish persuasion tend not to back
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:15 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie. Paul Krugman is a notable example. There are several others I've noticed, certainly "establishment" media is not enthralled with Bernie.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
109. Sam Seder of The Majority Report
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:54 AM
Mar 2016

...is now a podcaster. He's Jewish and supporting Bernie Sanders. I watch video excerpts from his show on YouTube:

https://www.youtube.com/user/SamSeder

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
93. I have trouble responding to this post
Sat Mar 12, 2016, 11:27 PM
Mar 2016

because I am not an anti-semitic asshole.

Why in the hell should we be responding to it at all on DU?

slipslidingaway

(21,210 posts)
105. Please explain to me why you think a person's religion, race, gender should play a role ...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:21 AM
Mar 2016

in selecting a leader? You obviously thought it had enough merit to post the article and headline ... I just do not get it!


"Why aren't Sanders supporters asking Jewish voters to explain why they're supporting Hillary over Sanders?" WTF!


Answer is because we do not care what a person's religion is, or the color of their skin or who they sleep with at night.


Stop dividing people! This is really unbelievable, what century are we in?








SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
108. I'm Methodist and not supporting Hillary.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:49 AM
Mar 2016

Dumb fucking article by yet another lame-ass WaPo "reporter." It's sad how far that paper has fallen...

Blue_In_AK

(46,436 posts)
113. More divisive bullshit.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:22 PM
Mar 2016

Individuals are more than their race or religion. They have MINDS that can THINK and make decisions based on their own particular circumstances. Blacks aren't a homogenous bloc, nor are Latinos, Jews, Catholics, Muslims, old white people or whatever.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
116. Some Jews are afraid of having a Jewish president
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:24 PM
Mar 2016

I'm Jewish, and I support Bernie, but some Jews are afraid of having a Jewish president of the United States. As counterintuitive as that might seem, a lot of antisemitism throughout history has been driven by beliefs of Jews having too much control in government and finance. Some Jewish voters are understandably afraid that having a Jewish president will fuel that meme and increase antisemitism in the US. After seeing how much racism has been dredged up by having a black president I can't say I totally blame them.

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