2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLong before Challenging Her, Sanders Reached Out To Clinton On Health Care: Got NOWHERE
From The Link:
This wasnt the first time Sanders has reached out to Clinton. Hes been doing that for more than 20 years. As one of Congresss most liberal members in the 1990s, Sanders went back and forth between clashing with Bill Clinton and warily embracing the leader of the centrist New Democrats. But even before the Clintons were in the White House, Bernie was playing the role of pragmatic progressive, making overtures directly to Hillary and working to pull her to the Left.
In February, Sanders requested a meeting with Hillary, to bring in two Harvard Medical School physicians who have written on the Canadian system, according to the records of the administrations task force. Those physicians were Stephanie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, leading advocates for single-payer health care.
They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. She said, You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that? recalled Himmelstein. And I said, How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people? and she said, Tell me something real.
A VERY REVEALING STORY!!
Full Story @ Link:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082
thereismore
(13,326 posts)That speaks volumes.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)BTW.. I will go to Seoul at the end of April to hear Clara play Mozart and Mendelssohn concerti.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)And please continue to keep me updated.
AzDar
(14,023 posts)imagine2015
(2,054 posts)Response to thereismore (Reply #1)
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All in it together
(275 posts)She just wants to benefit from it.
I sincerely doubt she wants Citizen's United Overturned. It helps her so much.
We need to get real and believe what we see and hear from Hillary's actions.
She stands for Corporations over people, helping people is just too difficult.
But Hillary, corporations aren't people my friend.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Would it be one to defeat Citizens United,
or one to cement it 5 - 4 for.
I'd guess the latter.
I trust Obama more than her. Slightly. He did speak out against the ruling.
But if Obama is stonewalled, I pray it will be Bernie's choice.
Mufaddal
(1,021 posts)Attacking someone on their strengths, particularly when they were and are stronger than you on an issue, and when this is so easy to verify, is straight out of Don't Do This In Politics 101.
It's like Hillary doesn't even want to win.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)And what happened to Hillary?
Hillary Clintons sudden attack on Bernie Sanders single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible not that it is a bad idea.
Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.
That was certainly Clintons position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.
But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.
Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign
https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/
In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as Pharmaceuticals /Health Products. The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.
On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.
In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.
Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundations website.
That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.
http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
cyberpj
(10,794 posts)Jitter65
(3,089 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)Such irrational inflexibility probably contributed to over 15 years of no movement on health care. How many died?, is not an unreasonable question. Here he is again.
gcomeau
(5,764 posts)...as a result of the irrational inflexibility of the people refusing to consider the demonstrably superior system?
Lots and lots and lots. And here Clinton is lining up on their side to continue the trend.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Because insurance companies refused to pay for their life saving treatments?
How many died because their policies were rescinded?
How many died because they couldn't even buy insurance?
Want more?
Got more......
Single payer. Too good for us.....
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Sanders was not helping Hillary by telling her to go for single payer. He was tilting at windmills while Americans died for lack of healthcare.
Meanwhile, Hillary kept pushing even after she couldn't get Hillarycare through and instead got SCHIP, which covered 8 million kids.
Sanders eventually gave up on single payer in even the bluest of the blue states, Vermont, after they crunched the actual numbers and realized it required raising taxes on the middle class by 12%. But he's back to talking pie in the sky for purposes of running in the primary...all while bashing Obamacare. Again, he is not helping.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Bernie killed Hillary's health plan single handed. Gotta give the guy credit. That's a lot of power for one congressman.
You guys kill me.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)I said he wasn't helping. He didn't kill it. He didn't help it. He didn't do much of anything.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Its cheaper for all
And covers everybody
No more worries or concerns or stress about anything to do with illness or injury for every citizen, no matter the circumstances, from a baby to a senior
Oh, and did I mention it is the far cheapest way to insure and provide health care to a nation? Like every other sane democracy in the world, (and many non-democracies) have figured out.
If he was truly concerned with the welfare of the American people, why wouldn't he be pounding this message until it finally sinks through all the thick skulls like yourself?
He and his popularity are dashing a lot of presumptions laid out by the MSM about the impossibility of Americans ever being open to socialist leaning solutions. All it takes is someone in the public eye, in a position of leadership, like Hillary COULD have done, to explain it and champion it.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Why did he clam up and walk away from Vermont single payer?
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)You want to blame Hillary's failure and hundreds of thousands of deaths on Bernie you'd better be able to back it up with facts.
You tell us, how many people died because of Bernie's decades long push for single payer healthcare for all?
And isn't Hillary really responsible since she gave up the fight and decided to take millions from the for-profit health care industry instead?
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Never give up
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Clinton is rigid and fierce and not gracious. But my main complaint is the lies lies lies.
She's a real piece of work.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)And she just keeps getting worse, about every time she opens her mouth.
scottie55
(1,400 posts)Only one candidate has been working for the 99% his entire career.
The other one, not so much.
Don't be stupid.
Time to turn our country around instead of begging for more of the same.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Call me surprised! NOT!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Being a realist does not mean you're a defeatest. It means your plans can actually work because they are based on reality.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)we never would have put a man on the moon.
And now she says she is working for Universal Health Care. My ass she is. She may eventually force everyone to participate in it, but if it's for profit and she doesn't do a major overhaul like single payer, it will never be affordable for many of those forced into it, and she won't care as long as she can say "everyone has health insurance now and I did it". I have health insurance now, but it doesn't mean I can afford to use it.
If I was reasonable, when I was a young single woman, I would have followed the advice of everyone I knew, who tried to talk me out of buying and moving my first home (a beautiful old log home I was renting that needed to be moved or torn down by the new property owners) in Colorado. It wasn't the reasonable thing to do. But I got to live in that lovely home for 15 years before I moved back home to Oregon. I wish I could have brought it with me, but moving it the four miles that I did was challenge enough.
You can keep your "reasonable". Thanks!
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)For example, she is not planning to pay for her healthcare expansion by assuming an unrealistic 5.3% annual GDP growth rate.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)Bernie is saying that his policy proposals can bring a 5.3% annual GDP growth rate, not that it will take that to pay for his health care plan.
You may want to read this:
http://fortune.com/2016/02/18/bernie-sanders-economic-growth/
Meet the Man Who Says Bernie Sanders Can Deliver 5.3% Economic Growth
I know there is a lot of negative stuff out there now on the "reality" of his health plan costs, but don't forget, the media is still against Bernie, and in the tank for Hillary, so you will be seeing a lot of biased crap if you look for it.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)You got that from Hillary, didn't you? The great leader who used lies and personal attacks to defeat her opponents because she can't do it honorably.
SunSeeker
(51,550 posts)Hillary has been savaged by the press for over 30 years.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Hillary was right.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)ucrdem
(15,512 posts)He's your senator right? Ask him why he failed.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)Because a single payer system is surely in the best interests of the American people, and paying out the nose for inferior, rationed care as we do now is what is 'real.'
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)That is what is real. When someone in the family gets sick, the family having to ask themselves if they can afford to go to the doctor or just tough it out at home. That is real. It would be nice if instead of being afraid to stand up to the insurance companies she would be more afraid of what would happen to families if she didn't.
Akamai
(1,779 posts)-- And we know that given a choice between saving the baby (and all of us) or giving in to the special interests, the 1% and their minions and know-nothing supporters, Bernie will save all of us! Or at least, he has by far the best chance to do so!
Go Bernie!