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AzDar

(14,023 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:23 AM Mar 2016

Long before Challenging Her, Sanders Reached Out To Clinton On Health Care: Got NOWHERE



From The Link:

This wasn’t the first time Sanders has reached out to Clinton. He’s been doing that for more than 20 years. As one of Congress’s most liberal members in the 1990s, Sanders went back and forth between clashing with Bill Clinton and warily embracing the leader of the centrist New Democrats. But even before the Clintons were in the White House, Bernie was playing the role of pragmatic progressive, making overtures directly to Hillary and working to pull her to the Left.

In February, Sanders requested a meeting with Hillary, “to bring in two Harvard Medical School physicians who have written on the Canadian system,” according to the records of the administration’s task force. Those physicians were Stephanie Woolhandler and David Himmelstein, leading advocates for single-payer health care.
They got their meeting at the White House that month, and the two doctors laid out the case for single-payer to the first lady. “She said, ‘You make a convincing case, but is there any force on the face of the earth that could counter the hundreds of millions of the dollars the insurance industry would spend fighting that?’” recalled Himmelstein. “And I said, “How about the president of the United States actually leading the American people?’ and she said, ‘Tell me something real.’ ”

A VERY REVEALING STORY!!

Full Story @ Link:
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/06/bernie-sanders-hillary-clinton-119082






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Long before Challenging Her, Sanders Reached Out To Clinton On Health Care: Got NOWHERE (Original Post) AzDar Mar 2016 OP
Tell me something real. thereismore Mar 2016 #1
OMG. Isn't that why we elect them? nt SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #2
They let us think that is why we elect them. pangaia Mar 2016 #8
Have a great time! SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #41
Right? The story @ link is VERY revealing... re: who has really been fighting for us. AzDar Mar 2016 #3
Thanks for the article. imagine2015 Mar 2016 #5
... AzDar Mar 2016 #9
... AzDar Mar 2016 #44
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #40
Clinton doesn't want to challenge corporation's financial and political power, All in it together Mar 2016 #4
It makes you wonder what kind of SCOTUS she would pick LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #25
This is what happens when you attack someone who has a stronger record Mufaddal Mar 2016 #6
Bernie's still fighting for single payer - healthcare as a basic human right. beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #7
THANKS. I LOVE CHARTS. And THAT ONE's MUCHO USEFUL. nt cyberpj Mar 2016 #43
And we still don't have it. But we do have the ACA...what we could get at the time. nt Jitter65 Mar 2016 #47
He was pushing single payer that had even less appeal back then. Hoyt Mar 2016 #10
You mean how many died... gcomeau Mar 2016 #15
Hoyt, How Many Died scottie55 Mar 2016 #16
Exactly. 45,000 Americans died each year because some insisted on "perfect." SunSeeker Mar 2016 #19
Oh yes passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #28
Is THAT what you got from my post? SunSeeker Mar 2016 #32
Pie in the sky LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #30
Why didn't Bernie say all that when the 12% tax came up in Vermont? SunSeeker Mar 2016 #31
Prove it. When did he ever oppose legislation that gave people more health care? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #38
Always trying, pushing, nudging, prodding, legislating ... Arazi Mar 2016 #11
Bernie has had decades to grow strong for this current moment. oldandhappy Mar 2016 #12
K&R Paka Mar 2016 #13
Ain't that the truth. SoapBox Mar 2016 #14
For The Love Of God Florida / Ohio Don't Vote Stupid scottie55 Mar 2016 #17
So she was a defeatists before she ever started. passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #18
She was not a defeatist. She got SCHIP passed which covered 8 million kids. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #20
If we always stuck to reality instead of our big dreams passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #23
Hillary dreams big, but her plans to accomplish those dreams are based on reality. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #33
Neither is Bernie passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #34
If you think the media is in the tank for Hillary, you don’t know reality. nt SunSeeker Mar 2016 #35
I figured you'd get around to personal insults passiveporcupine Mar 2016 #36
Pointing out reality is not a personal attack. SunSeeker Mar 2016 #37
22 years later, Bernie still hasn't gotten the Canadian system or single payer in his tiny STATE. ucrdem Mar 2016 #21
no.she will always be wrong and he will always push for the greater good roguevalley Mar 2016 #24
How is a US Senator supposed to pass legislation at the state level? beam me up scottie Mar 2016 #39
That's what he passionately claimed he was attempting in the speech you posted earlier. ucrdem Mar 2016 #45
Politico has an agenda. Octafish Mar 2016 #22
I remember this, and it is when Clinton lost me. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #26
exactly. Families paying thousands every year for premiums, deductibles, and copays. liberal_at_heart Mar 2016 #27
I had heard of this but am glad to be reminded of it now. But the problem (for HRC) is, Bernie cares Akamai Mar 2016 #29
This needed a kick. nt cyberpj Mar 2016 #42
It looks more like Hillary reached out to Bernie. nt ucrdem Mar 2016 #46

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
8. They let us think that is why we elect them.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:48 AM
Mar 2016

BTW.. I will go to Seoul at the end of April to hear Clara play Mozart and Mendelssohn concerti.

Response to thereismore (Reply #1)

All in it together

(275 posts)
4. Clinton doesn't want to challenge corporation's financial and political power,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:46 AM
Mar 2016

She just wants to benefit from it.

I sincerely doubt she wants Citizen's United Overturned. It helps her so much.

We need to get real and believe what we see and hear from Hillary's actions.

She stands for Corporations over people, helping people is just too difficult.
But Hillary, corporations aren't people my friend.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
25. It makes you wonder what kind of SCOTUS she would pick
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:34 AM
Mar 2016

Would it be one to defeat Citizens United,
or one to cement it 5 - 4 for.

I'd guess the latter.

I trust Obama more than her. Slightly. He did speak out against the ruling.

But if Obama is stonewalled, I pray it will be Bernie's choice.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
6. This is what happens when you attack someone who has a stronger record
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

Attacking someone on their strengths, particularly when they were and are stronger than you on an issue, and when this is so easy to verify, is straight out of Don't Do This In Politics 101.

It's like Hillary doesn't even want to win.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
7. Bernie's still fighting for single payer - healthcare as a basic human right.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:47 AM
Mar 2016

And what happened to Hillary?

Hillary Clinton’s Single-Payer Pivot Greased By Millions in Industry Speech Fees

Hillary Clinton’s sudden attack on Bernie Sanders’ single-payer health care plan is a dramatic break with Democratic Party doctrine that the problem with single-payer is that it is politically implausible — not that it is a bad idea.

Single-payer, the Canadian-style system in which the government pays for universal health care, takes the health insurance industry out of the picture, saving huge amounts of money. But the health insurance industry has become so rich and powerful that it would never let it happen.

That was certainly Clinton’s position back in the early 1990s, when she was developing her doomed universal coverage proposal for her husband, Bill.

But in the ensuing years, both Clintons have taken millions of dollars in speaking fees from the health care industry. According to public disclosures, Hillary Clinton alone, from 2013 to 2015, made $2,847,000 from 13 paid speeches to the industry.



Source: Public federal disclosures, Clinton campaign

https://theintercept.com/2016/01/13/hillary-clinton-single-payer/


Democratic Debate 2015: Hillary Clinton’s ‘Enemies’ In Pharmaceutical and Insurance Industries Have Supported Her Campaigns, Foundation

In 2008, Clinton was the among the three biggest recipients of campaign cash from pharmaceutical-related companies, according to data compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics. In all, the watchdog group reports that she raised $738,000 from employees of pharmaceutical manufacturers and companies classified as “Pharmaceuticals /Health Products.” The center reports that Clinton also raised more than $1.2 million from the insurance industry -- which includes health insurers.

On top of those campaign contributions, the Clintons and their family foundation have benefited from their ties to the pharmaceutical and insurance industries.

In 2011, the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America (PhRMA) -- the primary trade association representing drug companies -- paid Bill Clinton $200,000 for a speech, as the organization was lobbying the Hillary Clinton-led State Department. Last year, the Drug Chemical and Associated Technologies Association, a trade group whose members include major pharmaceutical companies, paid her a $250,000 speaking fee.


Meanwhile, the Clinton Foundation has received between $1 million and $5 million worth of donations separately from drug manufacturers Pfizer and Procter & Gamble, and from health insurers Humana and Blue Cross Blue Shield of North Carolina. Some of those companies made donations as recently as this year, according to the foundation’s website.

That largesse was part of a friendship forged after those industries opposed her 1993 health care initiative -- and which continued after she won reelection to the Senate in 2006.

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/democratic-debate-2015-hillary-clintons-enemies-pharmaceutical-insurance
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
10. He was pushing single payer that had even less appeal back then.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:52 AM
Mar 2016

Such irrational inflexibility probably contributed to over 15 years of no movement on health care. How many died?, is not an unreasonable question. Here he is again.

 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
15. You mean how many died...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:26 AM
Mar 2016

...as a result of the irrational inflexibility of the people refusing to consider the demonstrably superior system?

Lots and lots and lots. And here Clinton is lining up on their side to continue the trend.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
16. Hoyt, How Many Died
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:28 AM
Mar 2016

Because insurance companies refused to pay for their life saving treatments?

How many died because their policies were rescinded?

How many died because they couldn't even buy insurance?

Want more?

Got more......

Single payer. Too good for us.....

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
19. Exactly. 45,000 Americans died each year because some insisted on "perfect."
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:53 AM
Mar 2016

Sanders was not helping Hillary by telling her to go for single payer. He was tilting at windmills while Americans died for lack of healthcare.

Meanwhile, Hillary kept pushing even after she couldn't get Hillarycare through and instead got SCHIP, which covered 8 million kids.

Sanders eventually gave up on single payer in even the bluest of the blue states, Vermont, after they crunched the actual numbers and realized it required raising taxes on the middle class by 12%. But he's back to talking pie in the sky for purposes of running in the primary...all while bashing Obamacare. Again, he is not helping.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
28. Oh yes
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:40 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie killed Hillary's health plan single handed. Gotta give the guy credit. That's a lot of power for one congressman.

You guys kill me.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
32. Is THAT what you got from my post?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:21 AM
Mar 2016

I said he wasn't helping. He didn't kill it. He didn't help it. He didn't do much of anything.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
30. Pie in the sky
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:51 AM
Mar 2016

Its cheaper for all
And covers everybody
No more worries or concerns or stress about anything to do with illness or injury for every citizen, no matter the circumstances, from a baby to a senior
Oh, and did I mention it is the far cheapest way to insure and provide health care to a nation? Like every other sane democracy in the world, (and many non-democracies) have figured out.

If he was truly concerned with the welfare of the American people, why wouldn't he be pounding this message until it finally sinks through all the thick skulls like yourself?

He and his popularity are dashing a lot of presumptions laid out by the MSM about the impossibility of Americans ever being open to socialist leaning solutions. All it takes is someone in the public eye, in a position of leadership, like Hillary COULD have done, to explain it and champion it.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
31. Why didn't Bernie say all that when the 12% tax came up in Vermont?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:19 AM
Mar 2016

Why did he clam up and walk away from Vermont single payer?

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
38. Prove it. When did he ever oppose legislation that gave people more health care?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:06 AM
Mar 2016

You want to blame Hillary's failure and hundreds of thousands of deaths on Bernie you'd better be able to back it up with facts.

You tell us, how many people died because of Bernie's decades long push for single payer healthcare for all?

And isn't Hillary really responsible since she gave up the fight and decided to take millions from the for-profit health care industry instead?

oldandhappy

(6,719 posts)
12. Bernie has had decades to grow strong for this current moment.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:16 AM
Mar 2016

Clinton is rigid and fierce and not gracious. But my main complaint is the lies lies lies.

 

scottie55

(1,400 posts)
17. For The Love Of God Florida / Ohio Don't Vote Stupid
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:29 AM
Mar 2016

Only one candidate has been working for the 99% his entire career.

The other one, not so much.

Don't be stupid.

Time to turn our country around instead of begging for more of the same.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
20. She was not a defeatist. She got SCHIP passed which covered 8 million kids. nt
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:57 AM
Mar 2016

Being a realist does not mean you're a defeatest. It means your plans can actually work because they are based on reality.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
23. If we always stuck to reality instead of our big dreams
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:25 AM
Mar 2016

we never would have put a man on the moon.

And now she says she is working for Universal Health Care. My ass she is. She may eventually force everyone to participate in it, but if it's for profit and she doesn't do a major overhaul like single payer, it will never be affordable for many of those forced into it, and she won't care as long as she can say "everyone has health insurance now and I did it". I have health insurance now, but it doesn't mean I can afford to use it.

If I was reasonable, when I was a young single woman, I would have followed the advice of everyone I knew, who tried to talk me out of buying and moving my first home (a beautiful old log home I was renting that needed to be moved or torn down by the new property owners) in Colorado. It wasn't the reasonable thing to do. But I got to live in that lovely home for 15 years before I moved back home to Oregon. I wish I could have brought it with me, but moving it the four miles that I did was challenge enough.

You can keep your "reasonable". Thanks!

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
33. Hillary dreams big, but her plans to accomplish those dreams are based on reality.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:25 AM
Mar 2016

For example, she is not planning to pay for her healthcare expansion by assuming an unrealistic 5.3% annual GDP growth rate.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
34. Neither is Bernie
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:37 AM
Mar 2016

Bernie is saying that his policy proposals can bring a 5.3% annual GDP growth rate, not that it will take that to pay for his health care plan.

You may want to read this:
http://fortune.com/2016/02/18/bernie-sanders-economic-growth/

Meet the Man Who Says Bernie Sanders Can Deliver 5.3% Economic Growth

I know there is a lot of negative stuff out there now on the "reality" of his health plan costs, but don't forget, the media is still against Bernie, and in the tank for Hillary, so you will be seeing a lot of biased crap if you look for it.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
36. I figured you'd get around to personal insults
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:46 AM
Mar 2016

You got that from Hillary, didn't you? The great leader who used lies and personal attacks to defeat her opponents because she can't do it honorably.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
21. 22 years later, Bernie still hasn't gotten the Canadian system or single payer in his tiny STATE.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:58 AM
Mar 2016

Hillary was right.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
45. That's what he passionately claimed he was attempting in the speech you posted earlier.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:43 AM
Mar 2016

He's your senator right? Ask him why he failed.

PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
26. I remember this, and it is when Clinton lost me.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:36 AM
Mar 2016

Because a single payer system is surely in the best interests of the American people, and paying out the nose for inferior, rationed care as we do now is what is 'real.'

liberal_at_heart

(12,081 posts)
27. exactly. Families paying thousands every year for premiums, deductibles, and copays.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:40 AM
Mar 2016

That is what is real. When someone in the family gets sick, the family having to ask themselves if they can afford to go to the doctor or just tough it out at home. That is real. It would be nice if instead of being afraid to stand up to the insurance companies she would be more afraid of what would happen to families if she didn't.

 

Akamai

(1,779 posts)
29. I had heard of this but am glad to be reminded of it now. But the problem (for HRC) is, Bernie cares
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:44 AM
Mar 2016

-- And we know that given a choice between saving the baby (and all of us) or giving in to the special interests, the 1% and their minions and know-nothing supporters, Bernie will save all of us! Or at least, he has by far the best chance to do so!

Go Bernie!

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