2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders Polls: After Trailing Hillary Clinton By 30 Points In Illinois, Sanders Now Leads
"Bernie Sanders is nearing Hillary Clinton in Illinois, with the Vermont Senator aiming to pull off another upset win like last weeks surprising victory in Michigan.
The Sanders campaign was close to wrapped up had he last last week in Michigan, a state where polls showed Clinton ahead by a roughly 20-point margin. But instead Sanders pulled off the upset victory, propelling his campaign forward to critical upcoming votes in Ohio, Florida, and Illinois."
Oh snap! It's getting interesting!
"A CBS News poll found that Bernie Sanders now leads 48 percent to 46 percent."
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2884101/bernie-sanders-polls-after-trailing-hillary-clinton-by-30-points-in-illinois-sanders-now-leads-just-two-days-before-voting/#KYX0eKZ1lUzV3OsL.99
Logical
(22,457 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)This is a comeback for the history books! Go Bernie!
NCjack
(10,279 posts)in debt, and begging for a deal from Hillary. Something like "Give me some help with my debt and I will campaign for you in the GE." Looks like an action point where Bill goes to the HRC campaign HQ, tells them they have failed Hillary, and replaces them with more dedicated folks.
Barack_America
(28,876 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)rpannier
(24,328 posts)Need Ohio and Missouri or one of those two and Florida, as well as Illinois to really get the focus away from the media naysayers and force the 'we get to vote twicers', like Sen Brown (OH) and Howard Dean (Health Lobbyist) to rethink their rash positions
Even if she blows him out in NC, but he wins 3 of the other 4 big states narrowly, it makes it almost impossible to ignore and gives fence sitters more confidence to vote Sanders (IMO)
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)monicaangela
(1,508 posts)Win, lose, or draw this isn't over with the primary or the general. Time for the 99% to wake up and realize this just may be the last opportunity for a peaceful revolution that gets results.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)working for them!
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Cause if Sanders wins the nomination- they're next at finding new careers.
yourpaljoey
(2,166 posts)Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)we are behind Bernie even after gaining the Presidency. We have to prove that we have enough people committed to the policies that Bernie has spoken about, especially Publicly Funding of Elections. Until we can get the money out of the equation we will be unable to do anything else. We have to end their ability to influence our Representatives. I am tired of living under corporate rule!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)... long-term self interest.
(Which is EVERYBODY'S long-term self-interest.)
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)IMHO
corbettkroehler
(1,898 posts)About 10 years ago, Michael Moore said that America becomes more progressive by the day. He was right then and right today. The voters respond to the true progressive message. It's an updated version of "Yes, we can".
The fact that Mrs. Clinton offers "No, we can't" doesn't help her.
It's so doggone simple: our oldest and strongest ally, the UK, provides universal healthcare. Why can't we? Our largest trading partner, Canada, provides universal healthcare. Why can't we?
Somebody 'splain it to me!
AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)"It's the integrity, stupid!"
monicaangela
(1,508 posts)tabasco
(22,974 posts)I have lost respect for Clinton due to her slimeball campaign and gained respect for Bernie for staying on message and campaigning tirelessly.
Plucketeer
(12,882 posts)With graphs as evidence and the reality of what we common folks lives are like these days, it's up to us to pursue what's in our best interests. He knows - and tells - that he can't make the choice OR the changes for us - a line that politicians have snookered us with for eons. He's simply showing us that it's WE who have our destiny in hand. We have the CLEAR choice to buy into the establishment bullshit or ditch it for a country that's been ours to claim all along.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)issues and also seems out of touch with the problems of today.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)That may have played a part.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...then this thing is ovah.
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Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #14)
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Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)state.
NWCorona
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Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)...because it doesn't ever cease being factually correct.
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)We live here. I was born & raised in central IL, live in NoIL. Her birth and grade school ties to IL maybe rooted in the state boundary, but her ties are only in northern corporate/lobbyist money. Not the community! You can argue, you can spin, I'm just telling you that never in my years here has IL been viewed as her "home state".
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Cuz if you did you would realize Illinois is a big state . You are one person
EmperorHasNoClothes
(4,797 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)but I know the area she is from .
Also no one claims this (IL)is Obama's home state . Hawaii is , even though he left there after high school I believe
Kittycat
(10,493 posts)LOL. Reading truly is fundamental. Like most Chicagoans with roots IN STATE, we have friends and family all around, and get about just fine. Btw, I love seeing so many local and state supporting Bernie. The new polling number this morning were nice to see. The saying is true, once people get to know him, they love him.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Merryland
(1,134 posts)That doesn't make Merryland my home state.
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Divernan
(15,480 posts)That's why come every Thanksgiving, Americans hit the road in record numbers.
There's no place like home for the holidays
So no matter how far away you roam
If you long for the sunshine of a friendly face
For the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.
From Atlantic to Pacific
Gee the traffic is terrific.
Or is that the annual holiday the Clintons spend with the Kissingers in the Dominican Republic?
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)One's Native State, they are usually born here, but most be from here to call it their homestate. (United States)
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Homestate
Certainly New York, where she moved to carpet bag a Senate seat is not her home state; nor is Washington, D.C., although Clintons own residences in both places.
I was born and raised in Illinois - left when I was 21; the same is true for my siblings and many of my cousins - we all refer to Illinois as our home state.
Wednesdays
(17,312 posts)I think the other candidates have a far stronger claim to theirs.
Ted Cruz and Alberta, for example.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,007 posts)Oh and Welcome to DU!
Wednesdays
(17,312 posts)will be the state of shock.
cui bono
(19,926 posts)Let's hope it's from losing, because at this point it's getting to where if she wins it will be shocking!
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Jarqui
(10,122 posts)They moved to Arkansas for the last six years of her father's life. Her father died in '93 and her mother moved to Washington, DC.
First place she lived on her own was MA when she was 26 after schooling there - two years before she married Bill. She and Bill rented some places in the latter 70s and invested in Whitewater but the 80s were in the Governor's mansion in AK and the 90s in the White House - houses they did not own.
"Home" for Hillary probably during the first forty years of her life and certainly the first 26 or 27 years was Illinois where her parents were. She married Bill when she was 28, four years after she started dating him.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)I was born in Chicago, Illinois... lived there for 4 months, but returned frequently through adulthood because my Dad's family lived there.
I was raised and lived in DC for 41 years... my mother's family home.
I moved to SC 20+ years ago because of husband; it's his home.
I pay taxes in VA because of a family farm with ancestral graveyard dating back to the revolution.
Home is where the heart is and DC will always be the home of my heart despite being a native Chicagoan currently living in SC who will retire one day to my beloved ancestral in VA!
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I don't agree with the "home state" thing since I believe home is where you make it. Though, I suppose I'm getting a bit too sentimental. Politically speaking you are correct that a loss in Illinois would be a bad sign for her campaign so let's keep hoping for a Sanders victory.
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)And I think our primary will show that.
Nightjock
(1,408 posts)I live here and I am literally amazed at how many people ditched Hillary for Bernie in NY. I have no doubt-NO DOUBT- this state is going to Sanders.
We are living through something historic.
Doitnow
(1,103 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)Many folks here find her a carpetbagger. Even though she won the Senate race here, her opponent was one of the worst, so folks voted against him, not for her.
I don't care what the polls say, I know what I see.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)bonniebgood
(940 posts)is her home state.
Carolina
(6,960 posts)And I agree with you
I was born in Chicago... lived there for 4 months, but returned to Illinois frequently through adulthood because my Dad's family lived there.
I was raised and lived in DC for 41 years... my mother's family home.
I moved to SC 20+ years ago because of husband; it's his home.
I pay taxes in VA because of a family farm with ancestral graveyard dating back to the revolution.
Home is where the heart is and DC will always be the home of my heart despite being a native Chicagoan currently living in SC who will retire one day to my beloved ancestral in VA!
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I don't think this is the "home" state she must win. Many people don't think of it as her home state. They think things like the First Lady of Arkansas or Hillary Clinton New York Senator. I want her to lose New York just as much for that reason.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)I'm guessing she moved here because it's less trouble moving the bags of money from Wall Street to Chappaqua than to Little Rock.
But it's not her home state either (not that you're suggesting that).
Interesting that no one seems to want to claim her as their own...
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)I am not so sure of the average person though. Many wouldn't be able to tell you who the VP is right now.
dorkzilla
(5,141 posts)nolabels
(13,133 posts)But we mostly don't claim them because one can be pretty sure they found both of them under a rock
gussmith
(280 posts)When New Yorkers allowed Hillary Clinton to move into their politics and elected her as senator I was amazed. Was it just expediency and awe at a former first lady that disrupted the Democratic party establishment, people who had earned positions of leadership in New York? Let's hope the current climate of political involvement shows that the voters are more aware, educated and expectant of leader-based results in the political process.
Karma13612
(4,541 posts)Only kidding.
It's just that she has planted a flag in more than one state based on various history. I know that NY is where she was a US Senator so many feel she will 'take NY". Then there is AR where Bill is from. And IL where she was born.
Should be interesting.
I will be happy if Bernie can tie her in IL.
If this poll is accurate, this could be further proof of the momentum that Bernie is building.
And it just might be in enough time to take the lead and the nomination. In any event, this campaign is allowing all the states to vote. We are going to the convention!
Go Bernie!!!
harun
(11,348 posts)Karma13612
(4,541 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Assuming we have "is" figured out now...
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Karma13612
(4,541 posts)FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)nxylas
(6,440 posts)closeupready
(29,503 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)I only ask if this resulted from the two Clinton snafus and recent endorsements or is it the result of pollsters not wanting to end up with pie on ther face again after this Tuesday.
Either way, GO BERNIE!
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)But that is some good questions
winter is coming
(11,785 posts)If you follow links from the OP, you can work back to the YouGov site, where they give the methodology.
Else You Are Mad
(3,040 posts)xloadiex
(628 posts)This would be such a victory
99Forever
(14,524 posts)We (The Sanders Team) have always intended to win this battle to return control of OUR Nation to We the People.
We are a movement and Bernie is our voice. We the People will not be denied any longer.
Feel the Bern
A Little Weird
(1,754 posts)I really don't put a lot of faith in polls these days but I sure hope that one is true.
dchill
(38,441 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)nxylas
(6,440 posts)The biggest would be him winning Florida and Illinois. Is that too much to hope for?
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I think we have this figured out now.
mucifer
(23,478 posts)He wasn't as popular a week ago. It could make a difference. Of course, we do have a few more days until the election.
NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Divernan
(15,480 posts)reformist2
(9,841 posts)The subtle brainwashing of polls, telling people to not be a loser, to vote for the winner, is very insidious. Nobody talks about it, but it's there. Sadly, and I hate to say it, it's why a lot of people vote the way they do.
Michigan voters basically said "f*** the polls, I'll vote for who I want to win!" And that has changed everything.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)we're gonna owe Michigan a LOT.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Oh- and roads. We need roads desperately.
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)with ya.
reformist2
(9,841 posts)Everyone knew Bernie was growing in strength, but few were willing to admit he could break through and
win it all. After Michigan, it's obvious he can do it. Even the strongest Hillary fans are worried now...
JGug1
(320 posts)Nate Silver probably better update his prediction. He still has Clinton at >99%
Seriously, if Nate Silver really is that far off, he better get back to the drawing boards. Maybe his prediction will update later today or tomorrow.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)We should ignore him.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)garbage out. Second and most important is that his 'model' is about the past, he looks back to times when the country was very different and says 'this is what happens'. He fails to look at the present when predicting the future. His model is this: The Past + Stuff People Say = My Prophecy
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)Nate had it absolutely right in 2008 and 2012. I only know a small amount about polling, so I can't really figure out why he's being so wrong right now, but I think the essential problem is that his modelling simply does not capture change or momentum. Bernie is about change, and he has a lot of momentum going forward.
There's also still a certain amount of name recognition still going on. Everyone, of course, knows who Hillary Clinton is. People are still learning about Bernie. By now the majority of people at least know his name, but they're still learning what his message is, what he actually stands for And as they learn those things, more and more turn to him. Again, that's something Nate Silver just isn't equipped to capture very effectively.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I said right from the beginning he carries a majority of Independents (at that time it was 51 percent) and that Hillary could not win if she did not increase her numbers of Independent voters. There are far more Independents registered than Dems. So while Hillary may carry a majority of Dems in a race, it will be offset against Sanders by a host of Independent voters, as well as some Republicans (he generally gets 25 percent of Republican votes when he runs in Vermont). So Michigan was not really a fluke, but a mirror image of what is going to be happening in primary races. If Nate (who I regard highly) does not factor this into his equation, instead of just averaging out the other pollsters who do exactly the same thing, he is going to miss the mark. IMHO
Sam
JeffHead
(1,186 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)thought this state was a done deal . Big miscalculation on that may show up on Tues, or her networking will squeeze her through. Her buddies could make sure some polls in some areas uh don't open on time until everyone is at work and school. That happened in the last election here.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)here in Northern Illinois.
In about 2 hours I'll start spending the rest of the day and early evening Phone banking for Bernie!
BTW
Have you Fed The Bern lately? It's time to send another donation:
marions ghost
(19,841 posts)have fed the Bern, will again
jwirr
(39,215 posts)Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)wish I could afford that much.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)the plutocrats, it will be the best investment I ever made.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)the Korean, naval commander Yi Sun-Sin with 13 ships defeated a far superior Japanese fleet of between 115 and 300 ships.
For one thing, Yi understood the unusual tides of the strait better than the Japanese commanders and used them to his advantage.
Many of the men under his command were fearful of the Japanese because they had recently been badly defeated by the Japanese while under another Korean commander.
At first, when Yi attacked, they would not follow. So, Yi attacked alone in his flagship and stopped the first line of Japanese ships.. But it was clear he could not defeat the Japanese alone, with just one ship. When the other captains saw this, they rallied to Yi and joined in the battle.
Thus, with brilliant tactics, winning the support of his troops and understanding the tides and currents in the strait, Yi defeated the "more powerful" Japanese fleet.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)the Ming leaders realized that the Koreans, with their help, could in fact defeat the Japanese, bitter enemies of the Chinese. So, they sent ships to assist the Korean navy....and the Koreans won.
YEA !!!
And for what it is worth, South Korea now has probably more great classical musicians per/capita than any other country on earth. :> )
cui bono
(19,926 posts).
pangaia
(24,324 posts)My few and far between OPs usually sink in a matter of minutes....
It is only a part of the history of Yi Sun-sin who is revered as a great and honorable hero by South Koreans. (all Koreans at the time)
I've been interested in Korean classical musicians for the last year - there are SO many great ones - and from that, Korean history and culture. AND .FOOD !!!!!!!!!!
Some of the parallels between Yi and Bernie are.... interesting
cui bono
(19,926 posts)I bet the Bernie group would love it.
I found a dog down the street that turned out to be a Korean breed, a Jindo. I had never heard of it before so I read about it and it's an interesting breed. Used by the Korean army and good guard dogs.
The one I found had a chain around it's neck that was too tight and was about 3 feet long So hemust have broken free from a yard. Found a home for him with someone who had another Jindo and wanted a second one. Now he gets to go on a lot of hikes with his new friends.
.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)OK, I'll do it.
I'll have to add a wiki link for the full story-- too much typing...
Thanks for the confidence..
yourout
(7,524 posts)The Bernie band wagon could steam roll it's way too the nomination.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)A win in MO would help offset NC.
This would be a great end Sanders 'Droughts Of March'
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)No idea if it's going to be an upset, but Clinton's "big lead" is going to be cut deep by actual votes.
Nyan
(1,192 posts)When it comes to Florida, I'm embracing for the worst.
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)where credit is due.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)Larkspur
(12,804 posts)It was a reminder of what the Clinton backed free trade deals bring to Americans -- unemployment with maybe low wage jobs for a few.
dubyadiprecession
(5,678 posts)"with all due respect for my supporters, get a life!".
UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)Karmadillo
(9,253 posts)to what we are about to see if this is being duplicated in her internal polling.
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)ConsiderThis_2016
(274 posts)When stealing a base, don't look where the ball is... just keep running as hard as you can... to get there. Never let up, never give in, when you do you best... you'll always win!
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I would take the polls with a grain of salt. They could be right or they could just be trying to set Sanders up should he lose. They can then say Hillary beat the polling to try to give her an artificial bounce.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)to show Bernie with a larger edge than he actually has, just to set him up in any way.
There certainly is polling that is done to show a specific result, but it's my opinion that if there's manipulation it's to show Hillary with an insurmountable lead, in no small part to convince Bernie to drop out, that he cannot possibly win. The Hillary side has been clamoring for that for several weeks now, despite the fact that her delegate lead isn't decisive by any means, and that after this coming Tuesday the primaries and caucuses still left favor Bernie.
At least some of the polling has been off because they're not correctly capturing the new voters. I understand that much of the Iowa polling only counted those who'd caucused before, and since in 2012 Barack Obama didn't face any challenge to speak of, I suspect the caucus turnout was extremely low on the Democratic side, and would have been mainly older adults who'd one it before and enjoy the process. So anyone not old enough in 2008 and who didn't bother in 2012 simply wasn't included, and eight years is a very long time.
The other thing that's being missed is that the Boomers are rapidly getting older and dying off. Already the Millennial generation outnumbers the Boomers. I don't know much about GenX, and where their loyalties lie, but they're not going to be monolithic by any means.
turbinetree
(24,683 posts)principles and trust, coupled with the economics, an example of this is what is happening now on Wall Street, which my candidate is railing against, note................... these are some of the same firms that are supporting Hillary Clinton, they gave her speaking fees---------------this is a fact:
"No. In fact, the usefulness of Wall Street is an open question. Even many of the elite are asking What good is Wall Street? Nobel-prize winning economist and former Chief Economist of the World Bank Joseph Stiglitz even went so far as to claim most of what Wall Street does could be characterized as rent seeking or parasitic."
https://shadowproof.com/2016/03/11/wall-street-bonus-pool-double-combined-earners-of-minimum-wage-workers/
Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie
Stellar
(5,644 posts)questionseverything
(9,645 posts)illinois has same day registration now which should really help turn out altho people need 2 forms of id
check out the line from his champaign rally
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280144548
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)They cannot be trusted either way. I sure hope Bernie smokes Hillary though!
2banon
(7,321 posts)Yes!
MisterP
(23,730 posts)but the important thing is now this headline is floating around--"Sanders surges 30 points in Rahm's backyard"
now the "but can he win?!?!?!?!?!" voters have something VERY big to chew on even if Obama makes a Hail-Mary endorsement
George II
(67,782 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I know this is really, really difficult for Clinton supporters to understand, but every democrat is getting to vote this primary.
George II
(67,782 posts)....her lead each and every week.
"I know this is really, really difficult for Clinton supporters to understand" but until Sanders begins to close the gap he'll never catch up.
A sports analogy - in 1973 the Belmont Stakes was run at 12 furlongs, and the race wasn't "over" until Secretariat completed those 12 furlongs. But everyone in the stands knew that Secretariat was the winner with about six furlongs to go.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Despite entering the race as the "inevitable" nominee and front runner, with the endorsement of pretty much the entire party apparatus, she may even beat the relatively unknown guy from Vermont who entered the race polling at 3%.
Wow, her well-honed political instincts really inspire a fuckton of confidence for the general, george.
George II
(67,782 posts)........early last year that he wasn't planning to run, almost up until the actual day that he declared (hmmm, if Clinton had done that it would be a "flip flop"!). Shortly after he entered the race he was much higher than 3%, and mostly because we all know that Americans root for the underdog and look for an alternate to what many believe is the "best" candidate. It's just human nature.
The fact is he is still almost 20% behind in pledged delegates (with more than one third voting already) and more so in POPULAR votes.
Finally, Warren, the only people who really thought she was "inevitable" were those who were not her supporters and used that to denigrate her candidacy (now I'm sure someone somewhere will pull up a post or two from a year or go saying the opposite)
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Campaign.
Her advisers suck, and she's playing to a political reality that is 20 years out of date, or worse. She barely seems able to understand that her statements can be fact checked on google in 15 seconds. Her "allies" - like DWS - have gone out of their way to alienate everyone from Millennials to the majority of Americans who now support marijuana legalization, and believe me, as the primary map moves out of the south and into the west, these things will matter more and more.
She was supposed to have it wrapped up by now, and she doesnt. I still think she may very well be our nominee, which is why i had hoped she would do a better job this cycle. But she hasnt. If anything it has been MORE tired, more rote, more uninspiring.
PatrickforO
(14,558 posts)A CBS news poll no less. I'm thinking it may be a higher margin than that, then.
NCjack
(10,279 posts)jillan
(39,451 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)I'm sure the past five days haven't helped her much, either.
Adenoid_Hynkel
(14,093 posts)Hillary is wringing her hands and her campaign is asleep at the switch.
Not exactly inspiring confidence for her in a general election
Macattack1
(34 posts)this could be an exciting Dem primary after all!
AzDar
(14,023 posts)Go, Bernie... GO!!
Takket
(21,528 posts)The Rahm endorsement might actually be what swings that state to Bernie.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Bernie needs big wins to make up a big deficit in delegates.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)There's a bit of a head-in-the-sand aspect to that line of argument.
OkSustainAg
(203 posts)and here is why. Just like I said he would win Michigan. Bernie will win Mo, Illinois, Ohio. Because of open primaries, Young voters, the surrounding states votes, they don't trust establishment trade deals will help them. Bernie can win Florida. They have for along time wanted to be where the political money is spent and become THE battleground state. They often go against the grain of the other southern states. Bernie can win NC because Bernie has showed he can beat the odds against the media and the pundits. The tide has turned and Bernie will be the president. He is showing to be the ONE to beat Trump.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)One place says Bernie NOW LEADS.
Another--he's GETTING CLOSE.
Another he's only 6 points behind. ( similar , I guess.)
Another says he leads by 2.
Oh. well. By Tue he'll be ahead..
:> )))
warrprayer
(4,734 posts)Thanks!
WillyT
(72,631 posts)Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)All you have to do is wait until Tuesday and see what the early vote count tallies.
Polls can be wrong as has been experienced in Michigan.
You'd be wise to hold your horses and wait 48 hours.
angrychair
(8,678 posts)I am sure that after Sanders wins IL, another 'big state', then they will just move the goalpost again about what Sanders has to do to "be successful ". I'm sure there will be a new 'goal' soon.
Duval
(4,280 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Zira
(1,054 posts)YourAMIGO
(39 posts)Please tell all your friends, family and coworkers about BERNIE and how important it is to vote for him.
We need to volunteer knocking on doors and making phone calls.
Go to BERNIESANDERS.com, volunteer and find an office near you and volunteer.
This is the crucial moment in the race for the nomination.
Thank you.
Left Coast2020
(2,397 posts)How many times has ANY M$M said Bernie is ahead?
Well, other than the obvious 20 lead he had in NH.