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NWCorona

(8,541 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:36 AM Mar 2016

Bernie Sanders Polls: After Trailing Hillary Clinton By 30 Points In Illinois, Sanders Now Leads

"Bernie Sanders is nearing Hillary Clinton in Illinois, with the Vermont Senator aiming to pull off another upset win like last week’s surprising victory in Michigan.
The Sanders campaign was close to wrapped up had he last last week in Michigan, a state where polls showed Clinton ahead by a roughly 20-point margin. But instead Sanders pulled off the upset victory, propelling his campaign forward to critical upcoming votes in Ohio, Florida, and Illinois."
Oh snap! It's getting interesting!

"A CBS News poll found that Bernie Sanders now leads 48 percent to 46 percent."

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2884101/bernie-sanders-polls-after-trailing-hillary-clinton-by-30-points-in-illinois-sanders-now-leads-just-two-days-before-voting/#KYX0eKZ1lUzV3OsL.99

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Bernie Sanders Polls: After Trailing Hillary Clinton By 30 Points In Illinois, Sanders Now Leads (Original Post) NWCorona Mar 2016 OP
Amazing! Nt Logical Mar 2016 #1
Absolutely amazing! NWCorona Mar 2016 #2
Incredible! AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #3
So embarrassing for the HRC campaign. At this point, Bernie was supposed to be defeated, NCjack Mar 2016 #105
Whoa. This would change everything. Barack_America Mar 2016 #4
Let's hope! NWCorona Mar 2016 #6
Definitely would help rpannier Mar 2016 #154
Oooh, yes please. Make it happen! Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #5
Senator Sanders is doing a phenominal job! monicaangela Mar 2016 #7
That is it! This is something that HRC supporters just don't get, or like how the rigged system is Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #42
Congress critters should be taking notes. notadmblnd Mar 2016 #62
YES! yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #85
Many will see the populist light and quickly evolve if we can get Bernie elected and prove that Dustlawyer Mar 2016 #152
Yes! JDPriestly Mar 2016 #159
Is it from all the Clinton lies . . . or just Bernie's better message? pdsimdars Mar 2016 #8
My guess it's from people realizing that they better vote for their own... Smarmie Doofus Mar 2016 #10
It's a combination NWCorona Mar 2016 #11
"More Progressive By The Day" corbettkroehler Mar 2016 #156
To borrow a turn of phrase AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #46
THIS^^^^ monicaangela Mar 2016 #55
Definitely both. tabasco Mar 2016 #57
Bernie has made it clear - clear that we're at a fork in the road Plucketeer Mar 2016 #76
IMO Bernie's better message. Hillary often talks around the jwirr Mar 2016 #80
Could it be that the Clinton camp underestimated how unpopular Rahm Emanuel is? Nyan Mar 2016 #153
I'll take Bernie's better message for $500 Alex. Left Coast2020 Mar 2016 #162
If Hillary doesn't win her home state.... Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #9
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She was born their dude. Its her home state. Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #14
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She finished High School there. It wasn't like she moved when she was 2 years old. Its her home Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #17
Agreed! NWCorona Mar 2016 #18
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Look up what the definition of 'home state' means man. I can't say it as many times as i want... Joe the Revelator Mar 2016 #27
You can define it however. Locally, reality is different from national perceptionz Kittycat Mar 2016 #94
Do you live near Park Ridge or the NW side of Chicago?? Maybe you should get out to other areas Person 2713 Mar 2016 #128
Maybe you should re-read kittycat's post? EmperorHasNoClothes Mar 2016 #138
What ?real people do not live on the NW side ?only corporations ? I am not even a Hillary fan Person 2713 Mar 2016 #140
No. I don't live in Park Ridge where she was born. Kittycat Mar 2016 #139
Not only is it her home state she has many ties still up in the NW side Person 2713 Mar 2016 #129
I left Ohio after high school for Merryland Merryland Mar 2016 #28
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #29
Home is where the heart is, babe! Divernan Mar 2016 #60
I love and live in alaska but oregon is my home roguevalley Mar 2016 #93
It is her home state; Arkansas is Bill's home state Divernan Mar 2016 #54
While I think there's merit in Hillary claiming IL as her home state, Wednesdays Mar 2016 #110
Will Hillary campaign claim it as her home state...until your primary is over? FailureToCommunicate Mar 2016 #31
Her state after the primary Wednesdays Mar 2016 #104
LOL! cui bono Mar 2016 #116
Her parents lived in Illinois for 40 years after she was born Jarqui Mar 2016 #82
Not so fast Carolina Mar 2016 #101
I think losing Illnois is a big loss for her, but white_wolf Mar 2016 #145
Don't be pushing her on New York, many of us take exception to that. A Simple Game Mar 2016 #44
You got that right SG! Nightjock Mar 2016 #71
No wonder she refused to debate in NY. Been wondering about that. Doitnow Mar 2016 #126
I doubt she will get her current home state of NY RoccoR5955 Mar 2016 #69
So is her home state really New York?? Does she have a home state at all??? reformist2 Mar 2016 #70
Hell YES she has a home State. If home is where the heart is, then Money and Power bonniebgood Mar 2016 #88
Welcome to DU! Carolina Mar 2016 #102
While I agree this would be a great win... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #13
We aren't enamoured of Little Miss Carpetbagger dorkzilla Mar 2016 #72
I am well aware that New York isn't her home state. I am sure New Yorkers are as well. Kalidurga Mar 2016 #75
True, sad but true. Nt dorkzilla Mar 2016 #79
Ronald Reagan and Nixon are somehow tied onto California nolabels Mar 2016 #81
Observer gussmith Mar 2016 #123
By Home state, do you mean IL or NY or AR? Karma13612 Mar 2016 #19
Depends what primary is up next, lol. harun Mar 2016 #35
LOLOL true!! eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #108
That depends on what the definition of "home" is. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2016 #56
This message was self-deleted by its author DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #73
+2 eom Karma13612 Mar 2016 #109
What a difference Honesty and Integrety make FreakinDJ Mar 2016 #16
Nate just increased his chances of winning to 2% nxylas Mar 2016 #20
Landslide! 6chars Mar 2016 #43
lol - oh that makes me chuckle. closeupready Mar 2016 #95
Wow. *Double* what he gave him in Michigan? n/t bvf Mar 2016 #121
When were these polls released? Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #21
I'm not sure really NWCorona Mar 2016 #32
Polling conducted March 9-11. winter is coming Mar 2016 #52
Thanks! Else You Are Mad Mar 2016 #53
YES!!!! xloadiex Mar 2016 #22
For any that still doubt. 99Forever Mar 2016 #24
Cool A Little Weird Mar 2016 #25
I'm feelin ya. dchill Mar 2016 #30
Making Sanders the favorite. If Hillary wins, biggest upset ever!!!! Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #26
Other polls still show her leading by 9 points leftofcool Mar 2016 #36
Second biggest upset ever? Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #37
Bernie winning Florida would be the second biggest upset ever nxylas Mar 2016 #125
I guess. Michigan wasn't an upset. The public and media had no idea what was going on there. Buzz Clik Mar 2016 #127
Not to be a downer but early voting could hurt Bernie here mucifer Mar 2016 #33
That always is a possibility NWCorona Mar 2016 #38
and same day registration I think Person 2713 Mar 2016 #131
Suck on that Rahm! Divernan Mar 2016 #34
Michigan voters told everyone else: Don't vote for who's "going to win", VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT!! reformist2 Mar 2016 #39
If Bernie wins the nomination marions ghost Mar 2016 #45
All we want is decent paying jobs notadmblnd Mar 2016 #67
Not too much to ask marions ghost Mar 2016 #83
Michigan was the official "turning point" - the "tipping point", if you will. reformist2 Mar 2016 #68
Bernie Ahead? JGug1 Mar 2016 #40
His model isn't suited for this election year. thereismore Mar 2016 #41
Nate has an inherent set of flaws in his 'model', first he uses other people's data-garbage in, Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #48
Bingo. SheilaT Mar 2016 #107
I think it is a flaw in the way he polls - Sanders is an anomaly in the manner he attracts voters Samantha Mar 2016 #158
He's leading 2 to nothing in this Illinois household. nt JeffHead Mar 2016 #47
I have seen nothing but Bernie signs and stickers . I was thinking maybe the Clinton campaign Person 2713 Mar 2016 #130
Hot Damn - We are working hard to make this happen Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #49
Keep it up marions ghost Mar 2016 #59
Just donated another $27 plus the usual $15 monthly. jwirr Mar 2016 #84
Good on ya Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #87
I'm investing in Bernie2016 for my granddaughters' future. If this campaign bridles NCjack Mar 2016 #100
In 1597, in the Battle of Myeongnyang Strait during the Imjim War, pangaia Mar 2016 #50
awesome history. how is his ground game roguevalley Mar 2016 #96
Later, the next year I believe, pangaia Mar 2016 #111
that's a great story. would make a nice OP! cui bono Mar 2016 #117
Really? pangaia Mar 2016 #118
I think so! cui bono Mar 2016 #119
What a great story. :>)) pangaia Mar 2016 #124
If he can win Ohio and Illinois it's game on. yourout Mar 2016 #51
no doubt, those would offset FL, Sanders also is close in MO, leads in one poll HereSince1628 Mar 2016 #65
Florida's going to be closer than projected Scootaloo Mar 2016 #112
God, I hope it's close. Nyan Mar 2016 #155
It's already game on. I'm not saying it will be game over but credit Ed Suspicious Mar 2016 #66
If he wins OH and IL, it is closer to game over. morningfog Mar 2016 #132
Nabisco moving their Oreo plant to Mexico reinforced Bernie's anti-free trade message Larkspur Mar 2016 #58
Bernie sanders on SNL last night.. dubyadiprecession Mar 2016 #61
K/R UglyGreed Mar 2016 #63
Clinton's lies and smears up to now will be nothing compared Karmadillo Mar 2016 #64
Interesting, indeed. K&R Everybody lets keep working!! Jefferson23 Mar 2016 #74
My little league coach used to say... ConsiderThis_2016 Mar 2016 #77
Polls Can Be Manipulated noretreatnosurrender Mar 2016 #78
I seriously doubt anyone is manipulating polls SheilaT Mar 2016 #114
Just maybe we / us the voters will have voice in this matter and it's really called ............... turbinetree Mar 2016 #86
Bernie's making himself heard without any help from Senator Warren. Stellar Mar 2016 #89
wow if he is that close with likely voters we are in good shape questionseverything Mar 2016 #103
"....and I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #90
If the polls cannot be trusted then... Helen Borg Mar 2016 #91
Hot Damn! That's what I want to hear! 2banon Mar 2016 #92
everyone's very cautiously optimistic (we're Sandernistas, after all!) MisterP Mar 2016 #97
Sanders has to make up more than 220 delegates - a 50/50 split isn't going to make a dent in that. George II Mar 2016 #98
Primaries end in June. Scootaloo Mar 2016 #113
The primaries have been going on for about six weeks, and Clinton has been widening.... George II Mar 2016 #120
How exciting, despite performing abysmally under expectation she may still barely eke out a win Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #141
That "3%" is just rhetoric. The reason he was that low is because even HE was saying...... George II Mar 2016 #143
Step away from the team B vs. team C shit for a minute, & acknowledge that she has run a craptastic Warren DeMontague Mar 2016 #144
Very encouraging. PatrickforO Mar 2016 #99
Thank you Michigan -- you made Bernie the come-back kid. /nt NCjack Mar 2016 #106
There was no way she would win Chicago because of her ties to Rahm. jillan Mar 2016 #115
BUMP. John Poet Mar 2016 #122
Sanders is taking on Trump, and people like what they ser Adenoid_Hynkel Mar 2016 #133
Go Bernie..GO!!! Macattack1 Mar 2016 #134
ST 2 States: Get Out The Vote, And We Will WIN!! AzDar Mar 2016 #135
with Hillary needing huge numbers in Chicago to carry IL.... Takket Mar 2016 #136
Even if this is accurate.. it wont help Bernie. DCBob Mar 2016 #137
He trails by less than 5% of the total pledged delegate count Recursion Mar 2016 #164
Bernie wins OkSustainAg Mar 2016 #142
Confusing article. pangaia Mar 2016 #146
K&R warrprayer Mar 2016 #147
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Mar 2016 #148
We'll see. Chicago1980 Mar 2016 #149
Don't worry angrychair Mar 2016 #150
K&R! nt Duval Mar 2016 #151
WOW AtomicKitten Mar 2016 #157
I hope CBS is right an people come out to vote. Zira Mar 2016 #160
We need to get out and canvas, phone bank and Vote for BERNIE YourAMIGO Mar 2016 #161
What I find interesting is CBS is saying he's ahead. Left Coast2020 Mar 2016 #163
Wow (nt) Recursion Mar 2016 #165

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
105. So embarrassing for the HRC campaign. At this point, Bernie was supposed to be defeated,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:41 PM
Mar 2016

in debt, and begging for a deal from Hillary. Something like "Give me some help with my debt and I will campaign for you in the GE." Looks like an action point where Bill goes to the HRC campaign HQ, tells them they have failed Hillary, and replaces them with more dedicated folks.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
154. Definitely would help
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:31 PM
Mar 2016

Need Ohio and Missouri or one of those two and Florida, as well as Illinois to really get the focus away from the media naysayers and force the 'we get to vote twicers', like Sen Brown (OH) and Howard Dean (Health Lobbyist) to rethink their rash positions

Even if she blows him out in NC, but he wins 3 of the other 4 big states narrowly, it makes it almost impossible to ignore and gives fence sitters more confidence to vote Sanders (IMO)

monicaangela

(1,508 posts)
7. Senator Sanders is doing a phenominal job!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:40 AM
Mar 2016

Win, lose, or draw this isn't over with the primary or the general. Time for the 99% to wake up and realize this just may be the last opportunity for a peaceful revolution that gets results.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
42. That is it! This is something that HRC supporters just don't get, or like how the rigged system is
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:14 AM
Mar 2016

working for them!

notadmblnd

(23,720 posts)
62. Congress critters should be taking notes.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:46 AM
Mar 2016

Cause if Sanders wins the nomination- they're next at finding new careers.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
152. Many will see the populist light and quickly evolve if we can get Bernie elected and prove that
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:21 PM
Mar 2016

we are behind Bernie even after gaining the Presidency. We have to prove that we have enough people committed to the policies that Bernie has spoken about, especially Publicly Funding of Elections. Until we can get the money out of the equation we will be unable to do anything else. We have to end their ability to influence our Representatives. I am tired of living under corporate rule!

 

Smarmie Doofus

(14,498 posts)
10. My guess it's from people realizing that they better vote for their own...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:44 AM
Mar 2016

... long-term self interest.

(Which is EVERYBODY'S long-term self-interest.)

corbettkroehler

(1,898 posts)
156. "More Progressive By The Day"
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:17 AM
Mar 2016

About 10 years ago, Michael Moore said that America becomes more progressive by the day. He was right then and right today. The voters respond to the true progressive message. It's an updated version of "Yes, we can".

The fact that Mrs. Clinton offers "No, we can't" doesn't help her.

It's so doggone simple: our oldest and strongest ally, the UK, provides universal healthcare. Why can't we? Our largest trading partner, Canada, provides universal healthcare. Why can't we?

Somebody 'splain it to me!

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
57. Definitely both.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:39 AM
Mar 2016

I have lost respect for Clinton due to her slimeball campaign and gained respect for Bernie for staying on message and campaigning tirelessly.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
76. Bernie has made it clear - clear that we're at a fork in the road
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

With graphs as evidence and the reality of what we common folks lives are like these days, it's up to us to pursue what's in our best interests. He knows - and tells - that he can't make the choice OR the changes for us - a line that politicians have snookered us with for eons. He's simply showing us that it's WE who have our destiny in hand. We have the CLEAR choice to buy into the establishment bullshit or ditch it for a country that's been ours to claim all along.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
80. IMO Bernie's better message. Hillary often talks around the
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

issues and also seems out of touch with the problems of today.

Nyan

(1,192 posts)
153. Could it be that the Clinton camp underestimated how unpopular Rahm Emanuel is?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:28 PM
Mar 2016

That may have played a part.

Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #9)

Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #14)

Response to Joe the Revelator (Reply #17)

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
27. Look up what the definition of 'home state' means man. I can't say it as many times as i want...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:56 AM
Mar 2016

...because it doesn't ever cease being factually correct.

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
94. You can define it however. Locally, reality is different from national perceptionz
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:57 PM
Mar 2016

We live here. I was born & raised in central IL, live in NoIL. Her birth and grade school ties to IL maybe rooted in the state boundary, but her ties are only in northern corporate/lobbyist money. Not the community! You can argue, you can spin, I'm just telling you that never in my years here has IL been viewed as her "home state".

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
128. Do you live near Park Ridge or the NW side of Chicago?? Maybe you should get out to other areas
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:41 PM
Mar 2016

Cuz if you did you would realize Illinois is a big state . You are one person

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
140. What ?real people do not live on the NW side ?only corporations ? I am not even a Hillary fan
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:10 PM
Mar 2016

but I know the area she is from .
Also no one claims this (IL)is Obama's home state . Hawaii is , even though he left there after high school I believe

Kittycat

(10,493 posts)
139. No. I don't live in Park Ridge where she was born.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:09 PM
Mar 2016

LOL. Reading truly is fundamental. Like most Chicagoans with roots IN STATE, we have friends and family all around, and get about just fine. Btw, I love seeing so many local and state supporting Bernie. The new polling number this morning were nice to see. The saying is true, once people get to know him, they love him.

Response to Merryland (Reply #28)

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
60. Home is where the heart is, babe!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:41 AM
Mar 2016

That's why come every Thanksgiving, Americans hit the road in record numbers.

There's no place like home for the holidays
So no matter how far away you roam
If you long for the sunshine of a friendly face
For the holidays you can't beat home sweet home.

From Atlantic to Pacific
Gee the traffic is terrific.

Or is that the annual holiday the Clintons spend with the Kissingers in the Dominican Republic?

Divernan

(15,480 posts)
54. It is her home state; Arkansas is Bill's home state
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:37 AM
Mar 2016

Homestate
One's Native State, they are usually born here, but most be from here to call it their homestate. (United States)

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Homestate

Certainly New York, where she moved to carpet bag a Senate seat is not her home state; nor is Washington, D.C., although Clintons own residences in both places.

I was born and raised in Illinois - left when I was 21; the same is true for my siblings and many of my cousins - we all refer to Illinois as our home state.

Wednesdays

(17,312 posts)
110. While I think there's merit in Hillary claiming IL as her home state,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:04 PM
Mar 2016

I think the other candidates have a far stronger claim to theirs.

Ted Cruz and Alberta, for example.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
116. LOL!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:00 PM
Mar 2016

Let's hope it's from losing, because at this point it's getting to where if she wins it will be shocking!


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Jarqui

(10,122 posts)
82. Her parents lived in Illinois for 40 years after she was born
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:15 PM
Mar 2016

They moved to Arkansas for the last six years of her father's life. Her father died in '93 and her mother moved to Washington, DC.

First place she lived on her own was MA when she was 26 after schooling there - two years before she married Bill. She and Bill rented some places in the latter 70s and invested in Whitewater but the 80s were in the Governor's mansion in AK and the 90s in the White House - houses they did not own.

"Home" for Hillary probably during the first forty years of her life and certainly the first 26 or 27 years was Illinois where her parents were. She married Bill when she was 28, four years after she started dating him.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
101. Not so fast
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:20 PM
Mar 2016

I was born in Chicago, Illinois... lived there for 4 months, but returned frequently through adulthood because my Dad's family lived there.

I was raised and lived in DC for 41 years... my mother's family home.

I moved to SC 20+ years ago because of husband; it's his home.

I pay taxes in VA because of a family farm with ancestral graveyard dating back to the revolution.

Home is where the heart is and DC will always be the home of my heart despite being a native Chicagoan currently living in SC who will retire one day to my beloved ancestral in VA!

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
145. I think losing Illnois is a big loss for her, but
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:48 PM
Mar 2016

I don't agree with the "home state" thing since I believe home is where you make it. Though, I suppose I'm getting a bit too sentimental. Politically speaking you are correct that a loss in Illinois would be a bad sign for her campaign so let's keep hoping for a Sanders victory.

A Simple Game

(9,214 posts)
44. Don't be pushing her on New York, many of us take exception to that.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:15 AM
Mar 2016

And I think our primary will show that.

Nightjock

(1,408 posts)
71. You got that right SG!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:02 PM
Mar 2016

I live here and I am literally amazed at how many people ditched Hillary for Bernie in NY. I have no doubt-NO DOUBT- this state is going to Sanders.
We are living through something historic.

 

RoccoR5955

(12,471 posts)
69. I doubt she will get her current home state of NY
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:58 AM
Mar 2016

Many folks here find her a carpetbagger. Even though she won the Senate race here, her opponent was one of the worst, so folks voted against him, not for her.
I don't care what the polls say, I know what I see.

Carolina

(6,960 posts)
102. Welcome to DU!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

And I agree with you

I was born in Chicago... lived there for 4 months, but returned to Illinois frequently through adulthood because my Dad's family lived there.

I was raised and lived in DC for 41 years... my mother's family home.

I moved to SC 20+ years ago because of husband; it's his home.

I pay taxes in VA because of a family farm with ancestral graveyard dating back to the revolution.

Home is where the heart is and DC will always be the home of my heart despite being a native Chicagoan currently living in SC who will retire one day to my beloved ancestral in VA!

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
13. While I agree this would be a great win...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:47 AM
Mar 2016

I don't think this is the "home" state she must win. Many people don't think of it as her home state. They think things like the First Lady of Arkansas or Hillary Clinton New York Senator. I want her to lose New York just as much for that reason.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
72. We aren't enamoured of Little Miss Carpetbagger
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

I'm guessing she moved here because it's less trouble moving the bags of money from Wall Street to Chappaqua than to Little Rock.

But it's not her home state either (not that you're suggesting that).

Interesting that no one seems to want to claim her as their own...

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
75. I am well aware that New York isn't her home state. I am sure New Yorkers are as well.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:06 PM
Mar 2016

I am not so sure of the average person though. Many wouldn't be able to tell you who the VP is right now.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
81. Ronald Reagan and Nixon are somehow tied onto California
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:14 PM
Mar 2016

But we mostly don't claim them because one can be pretty sure they found both of them under a rock

 

gussmith

(280 posts)
123. Observer
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:20 PM
Mar 2016

When New Yorkers allowed Hillary Clinton to move into their politics and elected her as senator I was amazed. Was it just expediency and awe at a former first lady that disrupted the Democratic party establishment, people who had earned positions of leadership in New York? Let's hope the current climate of political involvement shows that the voters are more aware, educated and expectant of leader-based results in the political process.

Karma13612

(4,541 posts)
19. By Home state, do you mean IL or NY or AR?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:53 AM
Mar 2016

Only kidding.

It's just that she has planted a flag in more than one state based on various history. I know that NY is where she was a US Senator so many feel she will 'take NY". Then there is AR where Bill is from. And IL where she was born.

Should be interesting.
I will be happy if Bernie can tie her in IL.
If this poll is accurate, this could be further proof of the momentum that Bernie is building.

And it just might be in enough time to take the lead and the nomination. In any event, this campaign is allowing all the states to vote. We are going to the convention!

Go Bernie!!!




Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #56)

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
21. When were these polls released?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:54 AM
Mar 2016

I only ask if this resulted from the two Clinton snafus and recent endorsements or is it the result of pollsters not wanting to end up with pie on ther face again after this Tuesday.

Either way, GO BERNIE!

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
52. Polling conducted March 9-11.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:35 AM
Mar 2016

If you follow links from the OP, you can work back to the YouGov site, where they give the methodology.

99Forever

(14,524 posts)
24. For any that still doubt.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:55 AM
Mar 2016

We (The Sanders Team) have always intended to win this battle to return control of OUR Nation to We the People.

We are a movement and Bernie is our voice. We the People will not be denied any longer.


Feel the Bern

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
125. Bernie winning Florida would be the second biggest upset ever
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:29 PM
Mar 2016

The biggest would be him winning Florida and Illinois. Is that too much to hope for?

 

Buzz Clik

(38,437 posts)
127. I guess. Michigan wasn't an upset. The public and media had no idea what was going on there.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:35 PM
Mar 2016

I think we have this figured out now.

mucifer

(23,478 posts)
33. Not to be a downer but early voting could hurt Bernie here
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:02 AM
Mar 2016

He wasn't as popular a week ago. It could make a difference. Of course, we do have a few more days until the election.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
39. Michigan voters told everyone else: Don't vote for who's "going to win", VOTE FOR WHO YOU WANT!!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:08 AM
Mar 2016

The subtle brainwashing of polls, telling people to not be a loser, to vote for the winner, is very insidious. Nobody talks about it, but it's there. Sadly, and I hate to say it, it's why a lot of people vote the way they do.

Michigan voters basically said "f*** the polls, I'll vote for who I want to win!" And that has changed everything.

reformist2

(9,841 posts)
68. Michigan was the official "turning point" - the "tipping point", if you will.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:55 AM
Mar 2016

Everyone knew Bernie was growing in strength, but few were willing to admit he could break through and
win it all. After Michigan, it's obvious he can do it. Even the strongest Hillary fans are worried now...

JGug1

(320 posts)
40. Bernie Ahead?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:10 AM
Mar 2016

Nate Silver probably better update his prediction. He still has Clinton at >99%
Seriously, if Nate Silver really is that far off, he better get back to the drawing boards. Maybe his prediction will update later today or tomorrow.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
48. Nate has an inherent set of flaws in his 'model', first he uses other people's data-garbage in,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:28 AM
Mar 2016

garbage out. Second and most important is that his 'model' is about the past, he looks back to times when the country was very different and says 'this is what happens'. He fails to look at the present when predicting the future. His model is this: The Past + Stuff People Say = My Prophecy

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
107. Bingo.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:56 PM
Mar 2016

Nate had it absolutely right in 2008 and 2012. I only know a small amount about polling, so I can't really figure out why he's being so wrong right now, but I think the essential problem is that his modelling simply does not capture change or momentum. Bernie is about change, and he has a lot of momentum going forward.

There's also still a certain amount of name recognition still going on. Everyone, of course, knows who Hillary Clinton is. People are still learning about Bernie. By now the majority of people at least know his name, but they're still learning what his message is, what he actually stands for And as they learn those things, more and more turn to him. Again, that's something Nate Silver just isn't equipped to capture very effectively.



Samantha

(9,314 posts)
158. I think it is a flaw in the way he polls - Sanders is an anomaly in the manner he attracts voters
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:17 AM
Mar 2016

I said right from the beginning he carries a majority of Independents (at that time it was 51 percent) and that Hillary could not win if she did not increase her numbers of Independent voters. There are far more Independents registered than Dems. So while Hillary may carry a majority of Dems in a race, it will be offset against Sanders by a host of Independent voters, as well as some Republicans (he generally gets 25 percent of Republican votes when he runs in Vermont). So Michigan was not really a fluke, but a mirror image of what is going to be happening in primary races. If Nate (who I regard highly) does not factor this into his equation, instead of just averaging out the other pollsters who do exactly the same thing, he is going to miss the mark. IMHO

Sam

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
130. I have seen nothing but Bernie signs and stickers . I was thinking maybe the Clinton campaign
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:51 PM
Mar 2016

thought this state was a done deal . Big miscalculation on that may show up on Tues, or her networking will squeeze her through. Her buddies could make sure some polls in some areas uh don't open on time until everyone is at work and school. That happened in the last election here.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
49. Hot Damn - We are working hard to make this happen
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:30 AM
Mar 2016

here in Northern Illinois.

In about 2 hours I'll start spending the rest of the day and early evening Phone banking for Bernie!

BTW

Have you Fed The Bern lately? It's time to send another donation:

NCjack

(10,279 posts)
100. I'm investing in Bernie2016 for my granddaughters' future. If this campaign bridles
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:16 PM
Mar 2016

the plutocrats, it will be the best investment I ever made.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
50. In 1597, in the Battle of Myeongnyang Strait during the Imjim War,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:31 AM
Mar 2016

the Korean, naval commander Yi Sun-Sin with 13 ships defeated a far superior Japanese fleet of between 115 and 300 ships.

For one thing, Yi understood the unusual tides of the strait better than the Japanese commanders and used them to his advantage.

Many of the men under his command were fearful of the Japanese because they had recently been badly defeated by the Japanese while under another Korean commander.

At first, when Yi attacked, they would not follow. So, Yi attacked alone in his flagship and stopped the first line of Japanese ships.. But it was clear he could not defeat the Japanese alone, with just one ship. When the other captains saw this, they rallied to Yi and joined in the battle.
Thus, with brilliant tactics, winning the support of his troops and understanding the tides and currents in the strait, Yi defeated the "more powerful" Japanese fleet.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
111. Later, the next year I believe,
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:19 PM
Mar 2016

the Ming leaders realized that the Koreans, with their help, could in fact defeat the Japanese, bitter enemies of the Chinese. So, they sent ships to assist the Korean navy....and the Koreans won.

YEA !!!

And for what it is worth, South Korea now has probably more great classical musicians per/capita than any other country on earth. :&gt )

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
118. Really?
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

My few and far between OPs usually sink in a matter of minutes....

It is only a part of the history of Yi Sun-sin who is revered as a great and honorable hero by South Koreans. (all Koreans at the time)

I've been interested in Korean classical musicians for the last year - there are SO many great ones - and from that, Korean history and culture. AND .FOOD !!!!!!!!!!

Some of the parallels between Yi and Bernie are.... interesting



cui bono

(19,926 posts)
119. I think so!
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:39 PM
Mar 2016

I bet the Bernie group would love it.

I found a dog down the street that turned out to be a Korean breed, a Jindo. I had never heard of it before so I read about it and it's an interesting breed. Used by the Korean army and good guard dogs.

The one I found had a chain around it's neck that was too tight and was about 3 feet long So hemust have broken free from a yard. Found a home for him with someone who had another Jindo and wanted a second one. Now he gets to go on a lot of hikes with his new friends.

.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
124. What a great story. :>))
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 04:22 PM
Mar 2016

OK, I'll do it.
I'll have to add a wiki link for the full story-- too much typing...

Thanks for the confidence..

yourout

(7,524 posts)
51. If he can win Ohio and Illinois it's game on.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:34 AM
Mar 2016

The Bernie band wagon could steam roll it's way too the nomination.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
65. no doubt, those would offset FL, Sanders also is close in MO, leads in one poll
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

A win in MO would help offset NC.

This would be a great end Sanders 'Droughts Of March'

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
112. Florida's going to be closer than projected
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

No idea if it's going to be an upset, but Clinton's "big lead" is going to be cut deep by actual votes.

 

Larkspur

(12,804 posts)
58. Nabisco moving their Oreo plant to Mexico reinforced Bernie's anti-free trade message
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:40 AM
Mar 2016

It was a reminder of what the Clinton backed free trade deals bring to Americans -- unemployment with maybe low wage jobs for a few.

Karmadillo

(9,253 posts)
64. Clinton's lies and smears up to now will be nothing compared
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:47 AM
Mar 2016

to what we are about to see if this is being duplicated in her internal polling.

ConsiderThis_2016

(274 posts)
77. My little league coach used to say...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:10 PM
Mar 2016

When stealing a base, don't look where the ball is... just keep running as hard as you can... to get there. Never let up, never give in, when you do you best... you'll always win!

noretreatnosurrender

(1,890 posts)
78. Polls Can Be Manipulated
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:11 PM
Mar 2016

I would take the polls with a grain of salt. They could be right or they could just be trying to set Sanders up should he lose. They can then say Hillary beat the polling to try to give her an artificial bounce.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
114. I seriously doubt anyone is manipulating polls
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:37 PM
Mar 2016

to show Bernie with a larger edge than he actually has, just to set him up in any way.

There certainly is polling that is done to show a specific result, but it's my opinion that if there's manipulation it's to show Hillary with an insurmountable lead, in no small part to convince Bernie to drop out, that he cannot possibly win. The Hillary side has been clamoring for that for several weeks now, despite the fact that her delegate lead isn't decisive by any means, and that after this coming Tuesday the primaries and caucuses still left favor Bernie.

At least some of the polling has been off because they're not correctly capturing the new voters. I understand that much of the Iowa polling only counted those who'd caucused before, and since in 2012 Barack Obama didn't face any challenge to speak of, I suspect the caucus turnout was extremely low on the Democratic side, and would have been mainly older adults who'd one it before and enjoy the process. So anyone not old enough in 2008 and who didn't bother in 2012 simply wasn't included, and eight years is a very long time.

The other thing that's being missed is that the Boomers are rapidly getting older and dying off. Already the Millennial generation outnumbers the Boomers. I don't know much about GenX, and where their loyalties lie, but they're not going to be monolithic by any means.

turbinetree

(24,683 posts)
86. Just maybe we / us the voters will have voice in this matter and it's really called ...............
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:20 PM
Mar 2016

principles and trust, coupled with the economics, an example of this is what is happening now on Wall Street, which my candidate is railing against, note................... these are some of the same firms that are supporting Hillary Clinton, they gave her speaking fees---------------this is a fact:

"No. In fact, the usefulness of Wall Street is an open question. Even many of the elite are asking “What good is Wall Street?” Nobel-prize winning economist and former Chief Economist of the World Bank Joseph Stiglitz even went so far as to claim most of what Wall Street does could be characterized as rent seeking or parasitic."

https://shadowproof.com/2016/03/11/wall-street-bonus-pool-double-combined-earners-of-minimum-wage-workers/


Honk-------------------for a political revolution Bernie

questionseverything

(9,645 posts)
103. wow if he is that close with likely voters we are in good shape
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:40 PM
Mar 2016

illinois has same day registration now which should really help turn out altho people need 2 forms of id

check out the line from his champaign rally

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280144548

Helen Borg

(3,963 posts)
91. If the polls cannot be trusted then...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 12:45 PM
Mar 2016

They cannot be trusted either way. I sure hope Bernie smokes Hillary though!

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
97. everyone's very cautiously optimistic (we're Sandernistas, after all!)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 01:04 PM
Mar 2016

but the important thing is now this headline is floating around--"Sanders surges 30 points in Rahm's backyard"

now the "but can he win?!?!?!?!?!" voters have something VERY big to chew on even if Obama makes a Hail-Mary endorsement

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
113. Primaries end in June.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 02:36 PM
Mar 2016

I know this is really, really difficult for Clinton supporters to understand, but every democrat is getting to vote this primary.

George II

(67,782 posts)
120. The primaries have been going on for about six weeks, and Clinton has been widening....
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 03:58 PM
Mar 2016

....her lead each and every week.

"I know this is really, really difficult for Clinton supporters to understand" but until Sanders begins to close the gap he'll never catch up.

A sports analogy - in 1973 the Belmont Stakes was run at 12 furlongs, and the race wasn't "over" until Secretariat completed those 12 furlongs. But everyone in the stands knew that Secretariat was the winner with about six furlongs to go.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
141. How exciting, despite performing abysmally under expectation she may still barely eke out a win
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:14 PM
Mar 2016

Despite entering the race as the "inevitable" nominee and front runner, with the endorsement of pretty much the entire party apparatus, she may even beat the relatively unknown guy from Vermont who entered the race polling at 3%.

Wow, her well-honed political instincts really inspire a fuckton of confidence for the general, george.

George II

(67,782 posts)
143. That "3%" is just rhetoric. The reason he was that low is because even HE was saying......
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:33 PM
Mar 2016

........early last year that he wasn't planning to run, almost up until the actual day that he declared (hmmm, if Clinton had done that it would be a "flip flop"!). Shortly after he entered the race he was much higher than 3%, and mostly because we all know that Americans root for the underdog and look for an alternate to what many believe is the "best" candidate. It's just human nature.

The fact is he is still almost 20% behind in pledged delegates (with more than one third voting already) and more so in POPULAR votes.

Finally, Warren, the only people who really thought she was "inevitable" were those who were not her supporters and used that to denigrate her candidacy (now I'm sure someone somewhere will pull up a post or two from a year or go saying the opposite)

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
144. Step away from the team B vs. team C shit for a minute, & acknowledge that she has run a craptastic
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:37 PM
Mar 2016

Campaign.

Her advisers suck, and she's playing to a political reality that is 20 years out of date, or worse. She barely seems able to understand that her statements can be fact checked on google in 15 seconds. Her "allies" - like DWS - have gone out of their way to alienate everyone from Millennials to the majority of Americans who now support marijuana legalization, and believe me, as the primary map moves out of the south and into the west, these things will matter more and more.

She was supposed to have it wrapped up by now, and she doesnt. I still think she may very well be our nominee, which is why i had hoped she would do a better job this cycle. But she hasnt. If anything it has been MORE tired, more rote, more uninspiring.

 

Adenoid_Hynkel

(14,093 posts)
133. Sanders is taking on Trump, and people like what they ser
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:17 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary is wringing her hands and her campaign is asleep at the switch.
Not exactly inspiring confidence for her in a general election

Takket

(21,528 posts)
136. with Hillary needing huge numbers in Chicago to carry IL....
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

The Rahm endorsement might actually be what swings that state to Bernie.

DCBob

(24,689 posts)
137. Even if this is accurate.. it wont help Bernie.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 05:35 PM
Mar 2016

Bernie needs big wins to make up a big deficit in delegates.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
164. He trails by less than 5% of the total pledged delegate count
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 05:22 AM
Mar 2016

There's a bit of a head-in-the-sand aspect to that line of argument.

OkSustainAg

(203 posts)
142. Bernie wins
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

and here is why. Just like I said he would win Michigan. Bernie will win Mo, Illinois, Ohio. Because of open primaries, Young voters, the surrounding states votes, they don't trust establishment trade deals will help them. Bernie can win Florida. They have for along time wanted to be where the political money is spent and become THE battleground state. They often go against the grain of the other southern states. Bernie can win NC because Bernie has showed he can beat the odds against the media and the pundits. The tide has turned and Bernie will be the president. He is showing to be the ONE to beat Trump.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
146. Confusing article.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 07:38 PM
Mar 2016

One place says Bernie NOW LEADS.
Another--he's GETTING CLOSE.
Another he's only 6 points behind. ( similar , I guess.)
Another says he leads by 2.

Oh. well. By Tue he'll be ahead..

:&gt )))

Chicago1980

(1,968 posts)
149. We'll see.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:23 PM
Mar 2016

All you have to do is wait until Tuesday and see what the early vote count tallies.

Polls can be wrong as has been experienced in Michigan.

You'd be wise to hold your horses and wait 48 hours.

angrychair

(8,678 posts)
150. Don't worry
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

I am sure that after Sanders wins IL, another 'big state', then they will just move the goalpost again about what Sanders has to do to "be successful ". I'm sure there will be a new 'goal' soon.

YourAMIGO

(39 posts)
161. We need to get out and canvas, phone bank and Vote for BERNIE
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:04 AM
Mar 2016

Please tell all your friends, family and coworkers about BERNIE and how important it is to vote for him.

We need to volunteer knocking on doors and making phone calls.
Go to BERNIESANDERS.com, volunteer and find an office near you and volunteer.

This is the crucial moment in the race for the nomination.

Thank you.

Left Coast2020

(2,397 posts)
163. What I find interesting is CBS is saying he's ahead.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 04:12 AM
Mar 2016

How many times has ANY M$M said Bernie is ahead?

Well, other than the obvious 20 lead he had in NH.

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