2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary has been pro-Patriot Act; Bernie has been anti-Patriot Act
In the Senate, Hillary voted for the original Patriot Act in 2001, and again for its reauthorization in 2005.
Bernie, serving in the House at the time, voted against it both times. He also voted against its extension in 2011, when he was in the Senate. (Hillary by that time was Secretary of State.)
Does knowing this affect how you feel about them as candidates for president?
farleftlib
(2,125 posts)It should never have passed in the first place, but there was immense pressure for it in 2001. No such pressure existed in the years afterward. It is a mark of cowardice to have voted for it multiple times.
Xipe Totec
(43,889 posts)djean111
(14,255 posts)positives.
I get the feeling that some here consider that Bernie's supporters are single-issue supporters - and that single issue has nothing to do with actual issues, policies, and record and deeds, but is merely "Hillary-hatred" or 'fear of a woman president".
I guess that is why most of their attacks seem kinda lame.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)Secret Government is un-American.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Let's not forget that it isn't just these two votes. She has no respect for constitutional rights:
Source: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
How can we as Americans in good conscience vote to nominate and elect anyone who is unrepentantly defiant of, and opposed to protecting, the bill of rights to the constitution, yet still seeks to take the oath of office of These United States?
vimeo.com/148092658
noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)I was already aware of this but I'm glad you posted it in case some here weren't.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Since Bernie was virtually alone on it. It's one reason why I admire Bernie so much.
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Anderson COOPER: Secretary Clinton, do you regret your vote on the Patriot Act?
CLINTON: No, I don't. I think that it was necessary to make sure that we were able after 9/11 to put in place the security that we needed. And it is true that it did require that there be a process. What happened, however, is that the Bush administration began to chip away at that process. And I began to speak out about their use of warrantless surveillance and the other behavior that they engaged in.
We always have to keep the balance of civil liberties, privacy and security. It's not easy in a democracy, but we have to keep it in mind.
COOPER: Senator Senator Sanders, you're the only one on this stage who voted against the Patriot Act in 2001... [applause]
SANDERS: It was 99 to one and I was maybe the one. I don't know.
COOPER: ... and the reauthorization votes. Let me ask you, if elected, would you shut down the NSA surveillance program?
SANDERS: I'm sorry?
COOPER: Would you shut down the NSA surveillance program?
SANDERS: Absolutely. Of course.
COOPER: You would, point blank.
SANDERS: Well, I would shut down make I'd shut down what exists right now is that virtually every telephone call in this country ends up in a file at the NSA. That is unacceptable to me. But it's not just government surveillance. I think the government is involved in our e-mails; is involved in our websites. Corporate America is doing it as well.
If we are a free country, we have the right to be free. Yes, we have to defend ourselves against terrorism, but there are ways to do that without impinging on our constitutional rights and our privacy rights.
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=110903
TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)Found the following in a discussion forum.
Anyone know if it is legitimate? (You never know what you will find online--anybody could just make up anything, of course.)
Clinton allegedly said this during a get-out-the-vote speech in Racine, Wisconsin on February 15, 2004:
Everyone knows that I hate to admit I was wrong on anything, but the reality is when I voted for the PATRIOT act, I was wrong. Your Senator Russ Feingold, was right to think that this would be abused. And the fact is it's been abused worse than he, or any other Senator or Congressman could have predicted, which is why at this moment I am calling for the resignation of Attorney General John Ashcroft and Solicitor General Theodore Olson, two individuals responsible for assisting in the crafting of the PATRIOT act, and in putting politics ahead of sound, reasonable law at the Justice Department.
http://uselectionatlas.org/FORUM/index.php?topic=189978.525
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And ever since praising Nancy the gay-hater and her subsequent two - attempted - apologies, Clinton can't lose any more of my esteem, since I have none left for her.