2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders & AIDS
from Victoria A. Brownworth at Curve:
AIDS activists, like myself, need more from the Democrats
The Democratic candidates, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, made some missteps last week that left many in the LGBT community upset. At the heart of the anger was one issue: AIDS...
Presidential candidates are bound to make mistakesClinton and Sanders have been engaged in a grueling schedule that people half their ages would have difficulty maintaining. But there is little room for errorsimmediate or historicalin the kind of campaign thats going on this year.
In the end, the response to these errors in speaking and in the case of Sanders, judgment, illumines a major distinction between the two candidates that voters should be considering. Throughout her campaign Clinton has apologizedfor past mistakes, like her support of the 1994 Crime Bill (though she was FLOTUS, not an office holder) and her vote for the Iraq War and now for this mistake about the Reagans. Sanders remains intransigent: On his vote to support the 1994 Crime Bill, on his five votes against gun control and now, on his support for a dictator known to have done major harm to all citizens of Cuba, but specifically to dissidents, women who were pushed into forced labor and PWAs and LGBT people.
I would prefer politicians not make errors in judgment or even errors in speaking. But if they are going to make such errors, acknowledging them and moving forward is essential to statesmanshipor stateswomanship...
The Reagan years were dark years for this countryfor the economy, for covert wars, for LGBT people. But for my community, the refusal to address a public health crisis that was killing people daily was an outrage I will never forgive nor forget.
Last week both Clinton and Sanders re-opened that wound. One tried to mitigate the pain she caused, the other did not. LGBT lives matter. And no candidate gets to dismiss our issues when it comes to our lives.
read more: http://www.curvemag.com/News/Hillary-Clinton-Bernie-Sanders-AIDS-1030/#.VuZp50U_-fK.twitter
Victoria A. Brownworth is an award-winning journalist, editor and writer and the author and editor of nearly 30 books. She has won the NLGJA and the Society of Professional Journalists awards, the Lambda Literary Award and has been nominated for the Pulitzer Prize. She won the 2013 SPJ Award for Enterprise Reporting in May 2014. She is a regular contributor to The Advocate and SheWired, a blogger for Huffington Post and A Room of Her Own, senior politics reporter and contributing editor for Curve magazine, contributing editor for Lambda Literary Review and a columnist for San Francisco Bay Area Reporter. Her reporting and commentary have appeared in the New York Times, Village Voice, Baltimore Sun, Los Angeles Times, Boston Globe, Philadelphia Inquirer, The Nation, Ms Magazine and Slate. Her book, Coming Out of Cancer: Writings from the Lesbian Cancer Epidemic won the Lambda Literary Award, From Where We Sit: Black Writers Write Black Youth won the 2012 Moonbeam Award for cultural & historical fiction. Her new novel, Ordinary Mayhem, won the IPPY Award for fiction on May 1, 2015.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)paint Sanders with the brush Clinton coated herself with.
Disgusting and despicable.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She's been in the tank for Hillary since she announced, this is hardly the make-it-all-better solution the op thinks it is.
Another Hillary supporter trying to convince us it's better to screw up catastrophically and apologize than to not screw up at all.
Bernie didn't fuck up, Hillary did. Trying to make this about him instead of her is an insult to everyone's intelligence.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)I have only just regained my ability to refer (away from the net) to Mrs Clinton without inserting a host of one-syllable words, and I need to pace myself right now.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)She just wants to spread the blame around.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts).@BernieSanders Not one person has vetted you. You never answer questions, you avoid them.You talk revolution but push status quo for women.
@VABVOX @BernieSanders if pay equity, raising minimum wage for single earners, maternal and mandatory family leave is status quo..... Whoa .
@hasanahmad80 Nothing Obama Admin hasn't either put forward or proposed.@BernieSanders never put 1 bill forward for women in 30yrs.Not. One.
@VABVOX @hasanahmad80 @BernieSanders Freedom of Choice act. There's one bill.
Why are you perpetuating lies without fact checking.
@SerperiorCraft Your apology is accepted in advance. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Choice_Act @hasanahmad80 @BernieSanders
@VABVOX @SerperiorCraft lol wikipedia as a source. He co-sponsored the freedom of choice act in 1993.
Victoria was indeed wrong:
Sanders co-sponsored protecting the reproductive rights of women
Source: Freedom of Choice Act (H.R.25) 1993-H25 on Jan 5, 1993
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Abortion.htm
He also co-sponsored an ERA:
Sanders co-sponsored a Constitutional Amendment:
Title: Proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to equal rights for men and women. Summary: States that equality of rights under the law shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of sex.
Source: House Resolution Sponsorship 01-HJR40 on Mar 22, 2001
http://www.ontheissues.org/Domestic/Bernie_Sanders_Civil_Rights.htm
As well as several others:
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Bernie_Sanders_Abortion.htm
So yeah, anything Victoria says about Bernie should be taken with a block of salt.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Ive already got a stomach full of all the salt I need when digesting anything coming from Clinton's side, right on top of the nausea she induced by sanctifying Nancy the silent AIDS-loader, followed by her twitter-pology and her totally insufficient "elaboration" which was just more centrifugal spin.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I thought that was like a hate crime, or something.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)Cool she's getting called on it, though.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)bigtree
(85,984 posts),,,and you look foolish with your campaign brush-off.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)she is totally in the tank for Clinton and always has been. Her "opinion" reeks of campaign-coordinated talking points to attack on Sanders. That is based on the assumption that any time Clinton hurts someone's feelings, her acolytes should find something Bernie said or did and then pronounce that those things should hurt me too, just so they can shame me into nvoting for Clinton: "see, he said something that I think is hurting you too. So now she is not totally unacceptable to you anymore right? Everybody hurts you! Whoohoo!"
It is right on par with Allbright's Afterlife predictions and Steinem's sex-shaming. Some authority decides to excuse the inexcusable because "looky, it's a pair of ovaries!" and we are supposed to lap it up like good little stupid ill-informed children.
The 20th century is over. We are adults now. And you are stuck.
bigtree
(85,984 posts)...it's something which has been encouraged by the large contingent of Sanders supporters here. Countless individuals of merit and accomplishment are cast aside in fealty to the Vermont politician. It's a sad and shallow game which is a mockery of the discussion part of this message board.
You don't really believe your brush-off is a legitimate point of discussion. It's just baiting, pure and simple.
Btw, this post of yours is word salad. Vote for who the hell you want. I don't post here to try and change your mind. I couldn't care less who you vote for in this primary.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)That's about as plausible as that ghastly bit of "argument" you cited in the OP.
delrem
(9,688 posts)What a tango!
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I agree with much of what she says but DU has Che avatars, Cuban Revolution imagery has never, ever been criticized in this Party nor on DU. Skinner provides Che to his members, Skinner is Mr Hillary Supporter, he profits from a website that promotes Che.
This carrying on as if all Democrats have criticized all Cubans because of LGBT issues is offensive and also Bernie said what he said in 1985 when the treatment give us by Straight Americans under the fist of Ron and Nancy Reagan amounted to genocide by neglect.
Tout your own 1985 actions, Democrats? Even as Hillary claims Ron and Nancy were AIDS heroes? Over 12,000 Americans died that year without so much as a word from Hillary's heroes Ron and Nancy. Own that. Make that right, then go whining about Cuba.
Get Hillary fans to stop trading in Che images before you declare such imagery is vorbotten to Bernie. It smacks of the double standard.
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)ProTip: a "prominent activist" can be just as full of shit, as transparently biased and as prone to fallacy-drenched, shoddy thinking as anyone else...and that excerpt's a sterling example.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Kennedy clearly should have reduced the planet to radioactive rubble, rather than seek peace with that dude.
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)Way to go, bigtree! A+ for effort, sadly, Clinton slime simply slides off our honest and ethical candidate.
bigtree
(85,984 posts)...directed at people who you disagree with here.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Panic in Detroit. She lost Michigan and ever since it's been a buffet of exploitative nasty.
I've never posted this before but since you asked:
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)long been fully embraced by persons in this Party and on this website. No one has ever, not once in the past mentioned that the have deep and profound pro LGBT feelings about such imagery.
Skinner, owner of Democratic Underground and Hillary Supporter Extraordinaire has always happily provided to DU members Avatars of The Che to use as a sort of 'howdy' attached to their posts. If any and all affinity for things Cuban or things associated with their revolution is so incredibly offensive, why the fuck are images of Che so popular and promoted by choice and for profit by Hillary Supporters?
It makes no sense. You have as a Party and a cohort traded in Cuban imagery, images of their anti gay leaders, Obama has made relations with Cuba an important part of his administration but Bernie, back in 1985 when America was pretending that thousand of their neighbors were not dying of AIDS because America was so very hostile to LGBT, was held to some standard that no one else is held to and which at that time would have been beyond hypocrisy. In 1985 on LGBT issues and on AIDS Cuba and the US both vile and equally so. That was years into Reagan's Great Silence. It was still two years before he said 'AIDS' out loud. The OP and the article seem to suggest that in 1985 the US had some form of standing, that the US was very pro gay. In 1985 I was expecting relocation camps, Mike Huckabee was pushing for that until 1992.
The author of this piece is very, very biased and not very honest.
DU's Avatars of Shame!!!!!!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=211998
So when will Team Hillary get Skinner to purge the Cuban Revolution from his own website? Have any of you ever asked that of him in the past, since this is so important to you? Will you do so now? Take up that very important work?
Transparent.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)What would be the talking points? I bet Hillary would be blamed for Tuli's history of LBGT issues. But she endorsed Bernie so all is forgiven even tho she still holds all those past judgements except she is willing to abide by the law. She was even against benefits for civil unions.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)anti gay Democrat, not sure who he's endorsing. So that's the thing. I mean, you do get that Hillary's endorsers comprise a list of the Democrats most resistant to equality for LGBT? Her strongest elected surrogates were the last holdouts, the final few spouting off about how much better straight people are than those terrible LGBT.
So association football is not a wise football to suggest we all play....
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)about anyone who held distasteful beliefs as long as they aren't Hillary Clinton. But again, the talking points would be quite different and quite nasty had Tulsi endorsed Hillary. Hillary would be blamed for all of Tulsi's past history. You can try to convince folks otherwise but most of us know the truth.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)as a demonstration of the casual use of Cuban Revolutionary imagery on DU. But I switched it to Bernie instead.
But if Cuba is so terrible as to be unmentionable, why is Che a part of this for profit website owned by a Hillary person?
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)I asked him several questions yesterday on the Cuba topic, soon after told me he has me blocked.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)speak out in the past? It offends them so much they watched it go on for years in silence, much like Ron and Nancy were silent about AIDS but also Great Heroes of the Era......
It's exploitative. That's what it is. They pretend to care about things they never even thought about.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)nt
Lizzie Poppet
(10,164 posts)I assume from Brownworth's copious awards that she is actually not the complete imbecile that sort of sloppy reasoning makes her seem, and is simply disingenuously flailing in support of her sleazy candidate. The latter viewpoint is bolstered by her almost comically desperate attempt to paint a false equivalency of the candidates' AIDS-related statements/actions. That excerpt is a trainwreck of planted axioms, logical disjuncts, and transparent misrepresentation.
Perfect for Hillary's campaign, in other words.
Octafish
(55,745 posts)One candidate stuck her foot in her mouth.
The other did not.
It's his fault.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Reagan. No avatars of Ronald Reagan. This either demonstrates that the two things are not at all equals or that Skinner is willing to trade in vile anti gay imagery to lure in leftist cash. I think it is the fist thing. I think there are logical reasons that Che is in our avatar bank but Nancy is not.
But I look to the OP and his cohort to proactively complain to Skinner about his use of such images. Please keep us all posted as to how that works out.
Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)Brownworth editorial in my "another long-time Hillary supporter tries to smear Bernie to deflect from Hillary's 'I've got the nomination sewed up already' pivot to Reagan Democrats" file.
Btw, that file is starting to get a little full . . . is there any way that Hillary supporters could start compressing these or put them up in the Cloud or something?
bigtree
(85,984 posts)...of prominent activists and other notable public figures advocating in support of Hillary whose opinions have been declared worthless, all in favor of the all-knowing, infallible politician from Vermont.
Not ONE person, no matter their accomplishments, experience, or previous acclaim has been spared the Sanders supporter treatment for disagreeing with the career D.C. pol.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Uponthegears
(1,499 posts)It's important to keep files like that when your candidate's campaign relies on endorsements and polls and not policies.
Here is the simple fact about Hillary's "mistake" about Nancy and AIDS.
As with EVERY other issue, her target audience is Reagan Democrats. She does not have a single position on ANY issue which might offend that target. She praised Nancy Reagan NOT because she (Secretary Clinton) is a homophobe or even bad on AIDS (btw, shame of Bernie supporters when they say so), but because she is pandering to whatever Reagan Democrats want to hear.
delrem
(9,688 posts)They're all just campaign fodder. Like this OP.
She changes her heartfelt "from God and all history of human civilization" positions on a dime, not bothering to explain since very few who listen and report on it give a damn either. She cares about money and power - about all expressions of money and power but especially about the exclusive rights of investment capital and war profiteers. That's the one constant that informs her actual direction, her actual policy and record, and that's about it.
I've gotta admit my own deficiencies, but I'm not a life-long politician.
Bluenorthwest's posts have been educational.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)transgender community where she is not entirely beloved, much like Gloria Steinmen and Human Rights Campaign...
Victoria Brownworth, PGN and Transkids
Victoria Brownworth has been in the news lately because she is a Trans Exclusionary Radical Feminist (TERF) who has a history of interpreting the trans experience for disempowered trans people. What follows are excerpts from her 2008 Philadelphia Gay News article, Trans youth: Risking life and limb published online July 4, 2008.
http://www.transadvocate.com/victoria-brownworth-pgn-and-transkids_n_9655.htm
So that's for those of you who think LGBT are represented by tokens and gestures of agenda.....
JackBeck
(12,359 posts)Every poster should do an exhaustive background search of their source before hastily posting something because it just happens to fit whatever their agenda is at the moment.
Victoria Brownworth also denies the existence of cisprivilege and bragged about forcing a trans person to out themselves to her. What a lovely woman.
HIV is currently decimating the trans community, especially among trans women of color. Posting something from Victoria Brownworth continues to perpetuate stigma and discrimination among the trans community.
Thank you, Bluenorthwest, for highlighting the vile source of this opinion piece.
Anyone who recommended this OP should be ashamed.
beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)TERFs shouldn't be held up as models of "prominent" feminist or lgbt activists.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I bet many of them don't even know what a TERF is, they don't seem all that informed.