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pinebox

(5,761 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:14 PM Mar 2016

Why Independent Voters Will Propel Bernie Sanders to the White House

This is a response to the thread posted here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511488187

Indy's decide elections and despite Hillary leading *among* Democrats, there is no path to the White House with only Dem support. Hillary basically has no crossover support and this is why she loses a General Election. Bernie on the other hand does and why he wins a General Election. When you look at open primary states, who wins? Bernie.

Why Independent Voters Will Propel Bernie Sanders to the White House

http://usuncut.com/politics/independent-voters-bernie/
Independent voters are the largest political force in the US. And in this election cycle, anyone who wants to win the presidency has to win their support. Likewise, any candidate who doesn’t poll well with independents has statistical chance of becoming president.

For several years now, the numbers of voters who identify themselves as independent of either the Democrats or Republicans has been steadily rising, while the numbers of self-identifying Democrats and Republicans are at historic lows.

By 2015, only 30 percent of voters called themselves Democrats, and only 26 percent identified as Republican. By January 2016, only 29 percent of voters allied with the Democratic Party. Those who call themselves independents now make up 42 to 43 percent of the electorate. Indeed, if there was an Independent Party that grouped in all of these voters under one umbrella, that party would be unstoppable.
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Why Independent Voters Will Propel Bernie Sanders to the White House (Original Post) pinebox Mar 2016 OP
thank you marions ghost Mar 2016 #1
there's already a thread with a 'gentle reminder' that indies don't do squat in elections roguevalley Mar 2016 #14
hope they get a gentle reminder marions ghost Mar 2016 #17
I agree that if nominated the (I) will vote him into the WH. But in many states the (I)'s rhett o rick Mar 2016 #2
In my state they can't vote in the Primary. nt cyberpj Mar 2016 #4
Only if he wins the nomination WhiteTara Mar 2016 #3
What is NOT moot is that Hillary is not winning independents. She will need them if she's the nom peacebird Mar 2016 #11
I don't see her winning. I agree with you, peacebird. roguevalley Mar 2016 #15
Spot On! Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #5
Yes we will!! dana_b Mar 2016 #6
Kickin' Faux pas Mar 2016 #7
Exactly, she can win the Primary, but not the General. Waiting For Everyman Mar 2016 #8
I've been voting since 1972 Land of Enchantment Mar 2016 #9
Me too peacebird Mar 2016 #12
K&R for exposure. And for truth. eom Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #10
I have said this from the beginning, when Bernie Sanders was getting 51 percent of the Independents Samantha Mar 2016 #13
A lot of Dems too! Ferd Berfel Mar 2016 #16
I think you're conflating the primary with the GE. randome Mar 2016 #18

roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
14. there's already a thread with a 'gentle reminder' that indies don't do squat in elections
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

we're majority indie in alaska and bernie is leading by 14 points. Insult indies to your peril

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
2. I agree that if nominated the (I) will vote him into the WH. But in many states the (I)'s
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:19 PM
Mar 2016

don't get to determine the Democratic nominee.

peacebird

(14,195 posts)
11. What is NOT moot is that Hillary is not winning independents. She will need them if she's the nom
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

I don't see her getting them to the polls in the general election

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
5. Spot On!
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:30 PM
Mar 2016

The electorate has been shifting over the past few years and the goofy polls do not reflect it. I got banned from all the Hillary group's threads on my second or third post on DU because I was new and didn't understand the 'group' did not permit historical information regarding how the Clintons ran on the left to get to the GE then swung so far to the right in the GE that it made heads spin and predicted that would not change. Oh well. I am concerned if Hillary actually wins the primary she will be CRUSHED in the GE for a couple of reasons. She is not attracting new voters. Her base in the democratic party is diminishing daily as Bernie becomes better known. She loses big time to Bernie when it comes to open primary states where Independents can vote. I have concerns the millennials will not turn out to vote for her in the GE. The RNC has been 'loaded for bear' for her for years and some of the disgusting videos out there about her 'record' are undoubtedly created by republicans.



Waiting For Everyman

(9,385 posts)
8. Exactly, she can win the Primary, but not the General.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:39 PM
Mar 2016

That's an exercise in futility.

We're supposedly nominating someone FOR the General, and yet we strongly tend to nominate someone who can't win it (because of party influence and front-loading the Southern states). Really brilliant.

Land of Enchantment

(1,217 posts)
9. I've been voting since 1972
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:44 PM
Mar 2016

and have had it with holding my nose in the GE. I could not agree with you more. Thanks.



Samantha

(9,314 posts)
13. I have said this from the beginning, when Bernie Sanders was getting 51 percent of the Independents
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:11 AM - Edit history (1)

So I am not sure what the percentage is now, but I believe it should be higher. That mix of Democratic votes (less than Hillary's often) combined with the high number of Independents and the cross-over of some Republican voters (generally he gets 25 percent of the Republican vote in his Vermont races) is exactly the recipe for a Sanders' win. It is also what 538 and other pollsters have not perceived when posting their expectations. Looks like their eyes are wide open now....

Sam

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
18. I think you're conflating the primary with the GE.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 02:23 PM
Mar 2016

Isn't the reverse true? That Sanders can't win the primary without Democratic voters? And as has already been pointed out, in many states, Independents can't vote for a Democratic nominee. Which is pretty much how it needs to be, otherwise you'd have Republicans voting in our weakest candidate. (Yes, I know some of us think that's Clinton but right now she obviously has more Democratic party support.)
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