2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTrending Sanders: YouGov Illinois poll +2%; PPP Missouri poll +1%; Baldwin University Ohio poll +1%!
YouGov poll in Illinois - Sanders +2 (48% to 46%) in a state where Hillary has a 42% lead a week ago according to Research America Inc.Public Policy Polling in Missouri - Sanders +1 (47% to 46%) in a state where Hillary has a 28% lead according to PPP's prior Missouri poll.
Baldwin Wallace University poll in Ohio - Sanders +1 (45% to 44%) in a state where Hillary had a 30% lead a week ago according to Opinion Research Corporation.
This trend in the polling is staggering!
Obviously, there are other polls out there (for example, the McKeon & Associates poll in Illinois shows Hillary up 1% at 31% to 30%; RABA Research poll in Missouri shows Hillary up 4% at 44% to 40%; both the Public Policy Polling and Quinnipiac show Hillary up 5% (46% to 41% and 51% to 46%, respectively), but Sanders has been smashing his polling numbers when the real votes are counted and Hillary has been falling far short of her polling-based expectations.
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pdsimdars
(6,007 posts)Thanks for posting
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)People have been voting in most of those state for more than a week.
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)SheilaT
(23,156 posts)if the percentages are different for early voters as compared to election day voters.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Sanders has been poring a lot of money into those state. For him is do or die time.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)They sure did in Texas.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Sounds a bit odd saying something like that. I mean, it probably is going to be fairly close either way. But saying "there is no more time..." makes you sound less analytical and more like a comic book supervillain.
I mean, where does this mindstate come from?
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)1) A lot of people have already voted
2) The primaries in question are tomorrow
So, literally there is no more time to change anyone else's mind. So, if in indeed the race in three states is tightening, there is no more time for them to tighten further; those primaries are upon us.
However, let's say that Bernie actually closed the gap in three states and not FL and NC - then he is in still in big trouble because he is not catching up, he is getting further behind. How's that for being analytical.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)Ohio and Illinois are worth more.
And you are oddly assuming that Hillary people are the only people voting early.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)the Hillary and Bernie split the delegates virtually even. They will be just two big squandered opportunities to gain more delegates than Hillary and shorten her lead. After tomorrow their will be only two big opportunities left - New York and California.
In addition if Bernie and Hillary virtually split the delegates of the mid-western states and Hillary wins big in NC and FL, pilling up still more delegates, Bernie will have to start winning every remaining state by 65% or more to have any chance of catching Hillary. Good luck with that task.
Bottom line; Bernie can afford to win Ohio, Illinois and Missouri tonight, he needs to win them big or Hillary will add more delegate to her already almost insurmountable lead. Good luck with that task also.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I also think he has a lot of states coming up after today where his numbers are far better. A lot of Bernie supporters were already looking sort of despondently at the 15th a few weeks ago when we were thirty points down all around so no one had figured that we would be narrowing the gap so quickly.
Bucky
(53,997 posts)A big win will be a big deal.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)This is good news.
mathewsleep
(857 posts)Does this mean that Sanders will win with 56% to 44%?
PPP had Clinton +10.
Hopefully another big Sanders win then.
Both states are open primaries, correct?
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)but that's only a hunch and he could narrowly win all three or she could narrowly win all three. We'll just have to wait and see.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)And pretty much game over after that.
kenfrequed
(7,865 posts)I would love to believe that could happen, but I doubt we will take North Carolina. I think we will be closer in Florida but the elderly population presents a demographic challenge to Bernie since Hillary has a distinct advantage in the over 50 crowd.
I think we have a really decent shot at Illinois, Ohio, and Missouri.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)You might see a big swing from something really bad happening to candidate (sex scandal, some sort of a charge or serious allegation, etc). But to my knowledge, that hasn't happened here. Hillary got called out on a few of her lies .... but she's been lying her head off for years so that to me, isn't exactly news.
A week ago, we were looking a major deficits for Sanders in all but one of these states (roughly 20-40 pts) and we had no recent poll for Missouri (-28% last August). Now, it looks like just Florida and North Carolina but even there, the deficit has been reduced.
In a week, he's reduced the gap more than 100 delegates of the projected difference from the poll average. To do that over five states in that short of a period of time is Michigan-like if it holds.
I'm a little cautiously stunned - kind of find it hard to believe what I'm seeing in poll after poll but because of Michigan and poll after poll, it's hard to ignore.
If Sanders pulls this off tomorrow, the chances of him winning the primary will significantly improve.
This could be getting a little wild.
demwing
(16,916 posts)A lot of people were staggered by the MI results, and forced to reassess whether Clinton wears a cloak of inevitability, or one of illusion.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)the "cloak of inevitability"
I think someone posted this not too long ago ... to the effect of: "somethings goin' on"
I'm pinching myself a little because I'm wondering if they were right.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)The American people are speaking.
And the trend keeps going up, up, up on the trajectory.
Jarqui
(10,123 posts)I was always confident he would would keep rising in the polls against Hillary.
The big question for me has always been "does he have enough time overtake her in the polls soon enough?"
With what has been going on over the last couple of weeks, it's getting harder to say it's not possible - rather than easier (which is really good for Bernie because I think they were going to hiss for him to withdraw after tomorrow).
If he can stay close to her after tomorrow night, Hillary has a real problem and they'll know it.
closeupready
(29,503 posts)jalan48
(13,859 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)and HRC could win by 75% of the vote.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)From Daley straight throughout to Emanuel.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)the mob era gambling in Hot Springs and the Faubus admin.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)I'm sure you're right. Had no idea about Arkansas. Though I know what a fiendish segregationist Faubus was.
What guano we were taught in American History in school.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)That was a few years after the end of the Faubus era (1955-67)-- yet our textbook only briefly mentioned Faubus as the "newly-elected governor of Arkansas".
zentrum
(9,865 posts)And none of us were ever taught anything about the history of labor and the terrible violence that occurred as they organized and tried to secure a few protections and benefits.
I was taught the history of New York City and the only mention made of the native peoples who lived here was that they sold the Island of Manhattan to Peter Stuyvesant for $24. worth of wampum. That was all that was taught about it and I would say that that little teaching had some implicit contempt in it about how simple minded the "Indians" were to have done that. And nothing was taught about the waves of immigrants that came later and how each new group was treated pretty much like Trump wants to treat immigrants now. And absolutely nothing about the slave auctions that took place on Wall Street and how so much of the city's wealth was based on Southern slave labor and cotton. We were just taught about the "good abolitionists" and nothing about the original great fortunes being slave based.
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)It did devote a chapter or two to Native Americans-- particularly the Caddo, Osage and Quapaw nations-- which I found fascinating. It even covered the Cherokee Trail of Tears. However, I don't remember if it devoted much space to slavery.
The textbook was finally retired with my class year. The 6th graders who came after me got a (presumably) updated textbook
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)Split the pledged delegates for three states while she piles up more delegates in Florida in NC. Net - Hillary pulls still further ahead with five less states to contest. Ding, ding, ding - day winner.
When are you guy going realize that in order for Bernie to gain any ground on Hillary he has to not just win states, but win them BIG!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)favor Bernie by a lot.
It looks as if he'll more or less pull a Michigan in at least three states, in in Florida and NC he'll still do better than expected. After that, look out Hillary!
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Bernie would be up +25% everywhere!
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)senz
(11,945 posts)and his leads would be all the greater.
She has had ALL the advantages.
He just has himself, his message, and us.
Fuddnik
(8,846 posts)Yeah, it deserves caps. I voted Bernie in Florida a month ago.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)That helps Bernie a lot as he's bringing in Independents. We're a closed Primary here in FL which will help Hillary.
I like this set of polls:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html
Bernie wins against ALL GOP candidates. Hillary only against Trump (but more narrowly than Sanders).
If *I* was a "superdelegate", I'd be taking that greatly into consideration!!
Attorney in Texas
(3,373 posts)Roland99
(53,342 posts)in my best Wayne's World voice
Elmer S. E. Dump
(5,751 posts)dpatbrown
(368 posts)that I'm not a Clinton supporter, because even they see a snowball coming down the mountain, one they can not stop. No matter what they try. Like so many of you, this is darn exciting. WOW!
TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)turbinetree
(24,695 posts)just donated some moola to help with our cause for the political revolution
Honk---------------------for the political revolution Bernie 2016
dchill
(38,471 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,349 posts)Thanks for the thread, Attorney in Texas.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)GO BERNIE!!!
Ruby the Liberal
(26,219 posts)Lets hope they didn't overcorrect. Looking for a yuuuuge day tomorrow!