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Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:01 PM

A Super Tuesday

Tuesday, March 15, is an important 24-hours in the presidential primary contests. Five states are in play: Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Illinois, and Missouri. Both Democrats and republicans will be voting. I hope that tomorrow is a good day for the Democratic Party, with an extremely large voter turn-out.

The contest for our party’s nomination is, no matter who you favor, one of the most intense that we will witness in our life-times. It is not what anyone anticipated a year ago. We all remember the intensity of the 2008 Democratic primary, which eventually led to Barack Obama’s historic presidency. And many of us can recall other primaries and conventions being contested fervently. But none were as important to the future of life in the United States as 2016’s.

Of particular concern to me -- although it has to do with the republican primaries -- is the ever-increasing violence on the part of Donald Trump’s supporters. It is an undeniable fact that the more unhinged of his following believe that his campaign has granted them a license to be violent. Of course, this comes as no surprise to anyone in the DU community. You might be supporting Bernie Sanders, or you might be supporting Hillary Clinton -- it makes no difference -- you’ve seen this coming.

When Trump feigns being a tough guy on stage, and says that he’ll pay the legal fees for anyone charged with “roughing-up” a protester, there’s really only one outcome. That doesn’t mean 100% of the audience is going to engage in an orgy of violence. But it does mean that we are coming closer to it. Crowd psychology comes into play.

I remember that John Lennon, during the last tour with The Beatles, had a frightening insight while on stage. When he bend one knee, and dipped his guitar in one direction, the crowd reacted; if he looked in another direction while singing, another section of the crowd reacted. He recognized that it wasn’t a group of individuals any more: the crowd was an organism, and entity. And, despite some performers’ gimmicks, he knew The Beatles no longer had any control over the crowd. Indeed, the fact they needed security, to both get on and off the stage, reinforced his understanding that crowds are not easily controlled.

A few years later, of course, Jim Morrison of The Doors conducted fascinating “experiments” with crowds of people who, as individuals, were laid-back, peaceful people. But, as a crowd, they became anything but the vision of “hippies.”

In my own experience, I’ve studied two types of crowds. The first was those who attended boxing matches, both amateur and professional. I’ve seen people behave in totally out-of-control ways, that they would never do as individuals. In fact, after my 329th bout, which was my last, the father of the fellow that I had just easily defeated jumped into the ring, and challenged me to fight him. I was polite, but very firm, in communicating to him as an individual that he didn’t want to go there.

The other example involves public meetings, where people are tense, because important social-economic-political issues are being debated. I still keep both sections of a board that a gentleman broke by hitting me over the head with it. One half includes a piece of an American flag decoration that he had applied to the board, to identify -- in his mind -- what “team” he was on. In recent years, at public hearings about fracking, six people have -- in front of plenty of witnesses -- threatened (or promised) to kill me. (Note: this does not bother me, as I believe that if anyone was serious, he would not warn me.)

When an associate and I were handing out an epidemiological study’s survey, going door-to-door in an upstate New York community, my partner was shocked at the aggressive behavior of several people in an upper-middle class neighborhood. He wanted to get his rifle, quite literally, and stand guard while I continued going door-to-door. He was that intimidated. (Obviously, I would not call upon this associate for further public work. More, he was not the only person to react that way.)

The amount of fear plus hatred that Trump campaign on convinces these gadflies that they have the right and responsibility to “destroy the enemy.” And you know that they hate both Hillary and Bernie. In fact, they hate you as much as they hate me. They have identified you as their enemy, and a threat to their family’s security ….simply because you have decided to vote for a specific candidate, and/or feel strongly about a specific candidate.

We need a huge voter turn-out tomorrow. I don not care if you are supporting Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders …..what is important as that if you live in one of those five states, get out there and make your voice be heard. For in doing so, you are not only supporting one candidate, you are saying “No!” to an aggressive, mutant form of cancer growing within our society. And that is huge. It is essential for our effort to revive our constitutional democracy.

Thank you.

Peace,
H2O Man

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Reply A Super Tuesday (Original post)
H2O Man Mar 2016 OP
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #1
H2O Man Mar 2016 #3
kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #2
H2O Man Mar 2016 #4
suffragette Mar 2016 #5
H2O Man Mar 2016 #6
suffragette Mar 2016 #12
Punkingal Mar 2016 #7
H2O Man Mar 2016 #10
retrowire Mar 2016 #8
H2O Man Mar 2016 #11
Gregorian Mar 2016 #9
H2O Man Mar 2016 #18
Octafish Mar 2016 #13
H2O Man Mar 2016 #19
mak3cats Mar 2016 #14
H2O Man Mar 2016 #20
panader0 Mar 2016 #15
H2O Man Mar 2016 #21
panader0 Mar 2016 #24
H2O Man Mar 2016 #25
Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #16
H2O Man Mar 2016 #22
Sensitive soul Mar 2016 #41
Babel_17 Mar 2016 #17
H2O Man Mar 2016 #23
JeffHead Mar 2016 #26
H2O Man Mar 2016 #27
JeffHead Mar 2016 #28
Ruby the Liberal Mar 2016 #29
840high Mar 2016 #32
H2O Man Mar 2016 #36
PWPippin Mar 2016 #30
H2O Man Mar 2016 #37
Liberal Jesus Freak Mar 2016 #31
H2O Man Mar 2016 #38
kgnu_fan Mar 2016 #33
Major Hogwash Mar 2016 #34
H2O Man Mar 2016 #39
LineNew Reply ^
Wilms Mar 2016 #35
H2O Man Mar 2016 #40

Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:06 PM

1. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, H2O Man.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #1)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:11 PM

3. Thanks, Uncle Joe!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:11 PM

2. Important warning about "swarm" phenomenon

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Response to kgnu_fan (Reply #2)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:13 PM

4. Thanks.

I believe that we have some ugly days ahead of us. And for what? Because people want to vote.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:22 PM

5. "Got the United States blues, I hope that Donald Trump lose"

Heard this song from a busker at Pike Place market today.

He was raking in the dollars.

K&R for your OP.

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Response to suffragette (Reply #5)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:26 PM

6. Very good!

I was thinking of some lyrics for my daughter to put to music today. I remember what a powerful social force that music was, back when I was her age.

Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #6)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:57 PM

12. I'd love to hear it!

Music still is a powerful social force.

Did you ever see the duet Mary J. Blige and U2 did of "One" after Katrina to raise funds?

The lyrics took on new meaning in the context of the tragedy and through their powerful and emotional deliverance.

Here, I found a video of it:

https://m.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:33 PM

7. The thing that scares me about Trump is who his supporters are.

What I am talking about is people who live where I grew up in Tennessee. My son still lives there, and he told me that 90% of the people he talked to were voting for Trump. Now, these are people I have known all my life, good people, some of whom never voted Republican in their lives.

I wish I had the luxury of believing Trump supporters are some kind of wild abberation that will fade away, but they are not. It scares me that people like this are Trump voters. They aren't listening closely enough. They are just angry and thinking they are finding their answers in him. Some of them will no doubt be turned off by the violence, but I fear not enough of them. It is frightening.

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Response to Punkingal (Reply #7)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:41 PM

10. Right.

These people have very low thresh-holds for frustration. They become very aggressive, when anyone challenges their rigid belief systems. That things will get uglier is not a question; just how ugly they get, is an open question.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:33 PM

8. H20 Man you write the best stuff. KnR.

YOU WERE A BOXER?!! DDD

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Response to retrowire (Reply #8)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:43 PM

11. Yes.

Long ago, I was. And pretty darned good, at that. I was first the subject of a feature article in an international boxing magazine at the age of 13. Seems like a life-time ago!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 07:37 PM

9. I hear at least one of the states has no same day registration.

I just hope people have prepared, and do vote.

I know one thing, and that is what Cornell West said so poetically, "The Sanders campaign is a love train". He exhibited it again today with Chuck Todd. He was baited, and responded by simply applying democratic principles to answer a more important question. We have to win the primary, but this one central component to the campaign will do more for the country even without a win. It's opposite of the Orange Hitler campaign. But I think that is why people can't truly find a way to get angry at the Sanders campaign. Maybe unruly supporters (like me on the forum ). I also believe that this friendly core context of the campaign will have attracted voters to come out in historic numbers tomorrow.

Man, you went out on a high note. Boxing, that is.



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Response to Gregorian (Reply #9)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:06 PM

18. I'm expecting

some impressive turnouts. I've had a number of friends and associates telling me that they are pleasantly surprised by how many people are talking about the various candidates, and really focusing on what is best for our nation. And those are conversations that really need to be happening now -- rather than just during the general election.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:02 PM

13. 329

That is a fighter. And are we lucky he's a Democrat.

Peace to you, H20 Man! On the morrow: Good luck!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #13)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:10 PM

19. Thanks, my Friend!

Some days, I feel the effects of every one of them. Because in that arena, both the winner and loser come out hurt, and damaged.

I've got to call you soon. I really enjoy our opportunities to discuss the issues of the day in an in-depth way with you. And, holy crow, there is a lot to talk about!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:04 PM

14. Sanders / H20 Man 2016!

Sorry for the levity, but minds and hearts like yours (and Bernie's) are what we need in our country's leadership. Always savor reading your posts; thank you.

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Response to mak3cats (Reply #14)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:15 PM

20. That's very nice of you.

I really believe that as president, Bernie Sanders will speak and act in our best interests. And in ways, as well as to an extent, that no previous president has done. As an old grass roots activist, I have long anticipated such a day .....and longed for it to take place within my lifetime. That is so important for me.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:11 PM

15. 329 fights!

That's more than I had in high school.
On the other hand, I've laid over 2 million block in my day.
I sometimes used to think of laying block as a boxing match. I'd start a course and bust my ass for a couple of minutes.
Then, when the closure was laid, I had a moment to stand straight up, regroup, walk back to the corner and raise the
line . Then begin a new course.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #15)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:17 PM

21. There you go!

That's it, exactly. A fight need not be fought at one pace, non-stop. It includes taking full advantage of that minute's rest between rounds. And knowing when to apply pressure, and when not to.

(However, almost a third of my bouts ended in less than a round!)

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #21)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:31 PM

24. To be clear-- I don't actually equate block laying with boxing.

Laying block, I faced an inanimate object, not a foe (although I always tried to outlay the other guys, and did.)
Boxing is a distinctly different thing, different than any other sport, facing a man and not a task.
Blocks don't punch back. I have huge respect for boxers, as you know. I also have huge respect for
people who take action in their communities like you have. I will come visit some day. I have many
relatives in upstate NY. Canton and Syracuse. Thanks for another fine piece.

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Response to panader0 (Reply #24)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:34 PM

25. Right.

I'm convinced that all of real life imitates the sport of boxing ....from politics, to brick-laying, to cooking supper.

I surely do look forward to meeting you!

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Response to Sensitive soul (Reply #16)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:20 PM

22. Very good!

Thank you for voting! And I expect that tomorrow's results will be encouraging.

I have a few friends in Florida who want me to bring my younger son there to fight. Three of them are former world champions. It's funny: I tell D that I wish I had had the type of opportunities he has, back when I was young (in the early 1800s).

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:51 PM

17. There are no longer “dancers,” the possessed

THE LAST DANCER
A Tale of the Continuing Time

There are no longer “dancers,” the possessed. The cleavage of men into actors and spectators is the central fact of our time. We are obsessed with heroes who live for us and whom we punish... We have metamorphised from a mad body dancing on hillsides to a pair of eyes staring in the dark.
— Jim Morrison


THE AI WAR
A TALE OF THE CONTINUING TIME
DANIEL KEYS MORAN
"Players" -- the child, the actor, and the gambler. The idea of chance is absent from the world of the child and the primitive. The gambler also feels in service of an alien power. Chance is a survival of religion in the modern city . . .
-- Jim Morrison

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Response to Babel_17 (Reply #17)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:21 PM

23. Very good!

Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:40 PM

26. Already voted in Illinois.

2-0 slam dunk win for Bernie and Tammy Duckworth in this household.

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Response to JeffHead (Reply #26)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:40 PM

27. Great!

Thank you very much!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #27)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:46 PM

28. You're welcome very much and, we're looking forward to voting for both of them again in November. nt

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:48 PM

29. CNN showed a Drumpf clip tonight, and my blood ran cold

That doesn't happen often. He was on stage with Chris 'The Hostage' Christie and some reporter asked him about the violence at his events. Drumpf responded that there has been no violence AND that "no one has been hurt". My cat heard that dog whistle.

Someone is going to get seriously hurt (or killed) at one of these gigs. It terrifies me to think what will happen to this country if that happens. Polling places with a police presence? Dear Lord.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #29)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:52 PM

32. I hope it doesn't come to

 

that. I expect both sides to follow the law and be peaceful. We are not a 3rd world country.

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Response to Ruby the Liberal (Reply #29)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:26 AM

36. I agree.

Trump is so arrogant, that although he realizes he is not able to control "the crowd," he is unwilling to adjust his rhetoric. And the outcome is not going to be good.

If Jim Morrison was charged with inciting a riot, then Donald Trump should be, as well.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:58 PM

30. Thank you for another fine post.

Trump seems like a typical bully - a lot of bluster, but a coward inside. What is most worrisome is that he can up the amp and get others to do what he never would AND deny responsibility when things go horribly wrong.

On another note, my dad boxed in college and often drew parallels between life and boxing. He would have enjoyed your observations, as do I.

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Response to PWPippin (Reply #30)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:36 AM

37. Right.

I remember when Mike Tyson was in his out-of-control phase .....after Cus D'Amato had died, Mike had trashed Don King, and Mike's marriage splintered ......Trump was trying to buy in on his contract. He wanted to manage Mike's career. Of course, he knew nothing about boxing, and had no understanding of who Tyson was, or why he was exploding and imploding in the pathetic manner he was. But Donald wanted to own "the baddest man on the planet." It wasn't as much for the money -- though Mike meant millions in profits to the parasites -- it was to possess a weapon that scared people. (If Trump had "owned" Mike, we wouldn't have this situation today, for obvious reasons!)

I wish I had had the opportunity to meet your Dad. I have the utmost respect for everyone who has walked from the dressing room, into that ring. More than in any other sport, in boxing, one competes against themselves. It's just there's another guy attempting to knock you unconscious!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:00 PM

31. As always...

You make sense in a most compassionate...and intelligent...way. Thank you.

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Response to Liberal Jesus Freak (Reply #31)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:36 AM

38. Thanks, Liberal Jesus Freak!

I appreciate that!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:02 AM

33. kick for today

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:11 AM

34. Judas Priest, I didn't know all that had happened.

I can't believe someone cracked you over the head with their board.
Was it a clipboard?
I had a kid hit me over the head with a clipboard once at school, and that was the last time he ever sat in our class.
The teacher had him go to the principal's office and he wound up getting sent to a youth ranch for wayward boys.
But, to think an adult did that, Jesus!


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Response to Major Hogwash (Reply #34)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:40 AM

39. A board.

Luckily, not a 2-by-4 .....I was once attacked by a gentleman with a 2-by-4, and ended up with a broken forearm. I haven't required The Weather Channel to predict rain ever since.

No, it was a board. The fellow dropped the half he was holding and disappeared. So I picked both ends up, to keep as sort of a trophy. I had quite a head ache for a couple of days.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:51 AM

35. ^

 

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Response to Wilms (Reply #35)

Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:40 AM

40. Thank you!

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