Could Hillary Clinton face the same fate as David Petraeus?

[FreakinDJ]

Could Hillary Clinton's handling of classified information while secretary of state sink her presidential hopes?

It's a question that has dogged her campaign for over a year - but opinions are divided over whether the allegations made against her constitute a crime or are just the latest partisan sideshow.

Perhaps the best way to look at the implications of her case is by considering the context of another high-profile legal drama involving classified documents that was recently resolved - that of former CIA director David Petraeus.

Mrs Clinton used a private server at her house while she was secretary of state, and some of her emails appeared to have contained classified information, though it's unclear whether that information was classified at the time it was sent. Revealing classified information is a crime.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35722882

[farleftlib]

1. Only if there is still a modicum of justice left

that applies to all equally. What she did was illegal.

[840high]

10. Yes, no doubt.

[revbones]

2. Her supporters would just ignore it

and lose the general all while crying "It's just a right-wing talking point!!!"

It's comical how people just ignore the reality of that situation.

[reformist2]

17. They've lost objectivity when it comes to her.

[speaktruthtopower]

3. There's probably something in the picture yet to come to light..

whether it helps or hurts who knows but she doesn't look worried.

[pkdu]

4. Yes , but..

only in your dreams.

Do you even know what Petraeus did?

[Cleita]

5. Unless they catch her in pillow talk whispering state secrets to her lover that she's not

married to, I don't think her scandal has the same naughtiness attached to it and being boring probably won't go anywhere.

[NWCorona]

7. Having and unqualified and inadequate company host

Your unsecured server that had over 3000 sensitive, some top secret emails might be comparable.

[grasswire]

6. her offense is much more serious than Petraeus'.

She apparently was running a rogue State Department out of sight of Obama, using Sidney Blumenthal as an advisor. Blumenthal had been banned from any WH consulting. HRC disregarded that order of Obama's.

[MADem]

8. He got a finger wag and a "Naughty Boy." And he was fraternizing with a subordinate, to boot.

AND she didn't have the appropriate clearance.

AND he--and Paula, his paramour--mishandled MARKED classified material, by failing to safeguard it, properly store it, or ensure that it was seen only by those with Need To Know status.

Sooooo.....Same "fate?" He's making money hand-over-fist, these days.

He got off with a wink and a nudge.

His classified material was marked...and improperly shared and stored.

He was banging his junior.

Pffft!

The thing BBC is missing is that there were no rules against what she did. There were no classified annotations to her correspondence. She didn't share any of her material with people not authorized to view it.

I've seen "classified" material in newspapers and magazines, routinely. Ever since the Bush regime, classification has become a way to censor. It's like the Official Secrets Act in UK--abused and misused.

And, as the story notes (well buried), it's UNLIKELY that she'll face any charges.

His suspicions about political bias in the White House reinforce a universal truth - campaign season is a time of passion, paranoia and fiery rhetoric.
Few in Washington think that formal charges will be brought against her, however. And if they were, it's hard to see how she'd be sent to prison for committing the same kind of crime for which Petraeus received probation.
If she is charged and avoids any serious penalty, then FBI agents, federal investigators - and plenty of her political adversaries - would have reason to be angry.
"But as far as I can see no crimes have been committed," says Steven Aftergood, the director of the Project on Government Secrecy for the Federation of American Scientists. "So I don't see a place for that sort of frustration."
Like Volker, he sees the issue as political.

This is just a load of FUD.

[FreakinDJ]

12. her team cut and paste classified information

Agents are unsure, then, how highly classified information from the SIPRNet and JWICS systems ended up in at least 1,340 of Clinton’s private emails — including several which the CIA earlier this month flagged as containing highly sensitive intelligence concerning subjects such as drone operations and human intelligence.

'It takes a very conscious effort to move a classified email or cable from the classified systems over to the unsecured open system and then send it to Hillary Clinton’s personal email account,' Raymond Fournier, a veteran Diplomatic Security Service special agent, told The Post.

'That’s no less than a two-conscious-step process.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3416114/Now-Hillary-faces-claims-team-cut-paste-classified-information-secure-network-secret-server.html

[joshcryer]

14. 4th in line to the Presidency has a lot of power for a reason.

SoS can ask for something like that which is what the FBI will find.

[FreakinDJ]

15. I think they already found the email where she directed the "cut and paste"

[MADem]

18. I've read stuff that idiots in America label TS/SCI NOFORN in overseas papers.

So I just gotta smh on these charges. They're politicized.

And it doesn't take a very "conscious" effort at all. At worst, it takes that insular POV of a community of government schmucks, from Defense to State and beyond, who all use the same buzzwords and phrases, who take the same briefings, who spend too much time together.

You know, when I was a young adult, no one in America used the phrase "at the end of the day." It was a completely British thing. I don't recall the UK sending out the memo and asking Americans to use it, either. As best I can recall, it started to be a thing around the general era when that British American pundit who used to flog the GOP party line (name escapes me, he used to wear bespoke gangster suits, he was rather fat, he got cancer, lost his UK accent, lost a ton of weight, became unrecognizable, and died) came over here and started appearing on every newsmagazine in town.

At the end of the day, though, it came to pass that everyone and their mother started to use it. Can we blame that pundit whose name escapes me? Or should we blame Andrew Sullivan? Or someone else? Who knows?

More to the point, if someone uses the phrase, and someone else uses the phrase, and still someone else uses the phrase, it becomes a challenge to learn where it initiated. I doubt quite strongly that HRC sat down and copied bits and bobs of classified briefs, and stripped out the classification markings.

It defies credulity to suggest that. And it's really hanging one hell of a hope on a lightning strike of a chance to wish/desire/want such a thing. Hey, if they can't beat her down on the merits, go for a technicality, I guess.

[MADem]

20. Tony Blankley...! THAT was his name...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tony_Blankley

[amborin]

9. at a minimum nt

[starroute]

11. She set up a private server before she was sworn in as SoS

And used it exclusively for the next four years. Other secretaries may have occasionally used their personal accounts for official business, but Hillary never used her official .gov email even once. She then deleted some 30,000 emails before she handed the rest over, explaining that they were just things like plans for Chelsea's wedding.

I can see two possibilities at this point. One is that she was acting out of a sense of entitlement and an exaggerated fear of public scrutiny -- both of which are certainly characteristics of hers -- but did nothing else wrong and did not compromise security. And the other is that she was conducting a set of off-the-books operations for her own personal benefit, having to do with either the financial interests of the Clinton Foundation or her presidential ambitious causing her to act more aggressively than Obama would have approved of if he'd known.

In the first case, she'll probably get a rap on the knuckles, claim she's been exonerated, and keep plowing ahead. But if it's the second, the situation will get a lot more delicate and is likely to be handled on a sub rosa basis. For example, Bill might suddenly declare that his heart is acting up again, giving Hillary the chance to bow out gracefully.

[joshcryer]

13. Petraeus was caught on audio talking about sharing intel for his biography.

And he got a slap on the wrist.

Clinton's emails show nothing and if they did, you can bet that the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence would be asking for her head. For real.

[DrDan]

16. intent has to be shown - it was for Petraeus - not there for Hillary

but good work in keeping the RW message circulating

[MADem]

19. +1. That's it, in a nutshell. nt