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kennetha

(3,666 posts)
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:55 PM Mar 2016

Sherrod Brown Agrees with Hillary about Sanders and his Reflexive Rejection of Trade

After showing a bit of both candidates bashing trump, Sherrod Brown comes on and compares the two on trade about two minutes in.
Rousing endorsement of Hillary from a guy on the same sides of many issues as Sanders.

http://on.msnbc.com/1Rj0LLR

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Sherrod Brown Agrees with Hillary about Sanders and his Reflexive Rejection of Trade (Original Post) kennetha Mar 2016 OP
Hope it helps! ucrdem Mar 2016 #1
Too bad Brown has fallen for more Clinton neoliberalism TM99 Mar 2016 #2
If one would look back and compare one to the other one would see, Sherrod has always been juxtaposed Mar 2016 #3
Saddest case scenario: he's hoping to be Hubert Humphrey to HRC's LBJ. n/t. Ken Burch Mar 2016 #17
Wow... Ok... WillyT Mar 2016 #4
Using hyperbolic language to disparage Sanders does not mitigate the economic damage of NAFTA. Carlo Marx Mar 2016 #5
Meh... he's never lost his job to unfair trade. eom Fawke Em Mar 2016 #6
I suspect someone is putting the screws to Brown Impedimentus Mar 2016 #7
Brown knows jobs are never coming back without trade. Hoyt Mar 2016 #8
exactly kennetha Mar 2016 #9
So what exactly do we make without the millions of jobs lost? hobbit709 Mar 2016 #21
Hello? Have you heard of Internet technology? randome Mar 2016 #28
Sanders has never "rejected trade" -- he is opposed to the neoliberal lie that is free trade. JonLeibowitz Mar 2016 #10
True - he said again this evening he is not against trade; he wants fair trade not free trade (eom) Samantha Mar 2016 #13
That'll cause a little cognitive dissonance. MADem Mar 2016 #11
So it's just a "reflex"? AgingAmerican Mar 2016 #12
Hillary and trade; flip ... flop ... wait for the other shoe to drop. earthshine Mar 2016 #14
I'm a little surprised that SO FEW of Bernie's colleagues in the Senate have endorse him. NurseJackie Mar 2016 #15
I like Sen. Brown bigtree Mar 2016 #16
Hope the rest of the folks here read the Chicago Tribune piece on trade. Jitter65 Mar 2016 #18
Bernie doesn't "reject trade"...nobody does...he rejects the unjust corporate approach Ken Burch Mar 2016 #19
Offshoring jobs is not trade DefenseLawyer Mar 2016 #20
They are showing their true colors pdsimdars Mar 2016 #22
Sherrod Brown wants to be Hillary's VP Pick - Almost Anyone Can Be Bought Impedimentus Mar 2016 #23
All this shows is how few people in govt have any integrity. vintx Mar 2016 #24
Frankly my dear.... 99Forever Mar 2016 #25
Sheered Brown, I Used To Thin You Were On Our Side... ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #26
There goes another politician I formerly respected. nt ladjf Mar 2016 #27
 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
2. Too bad Brown has fallen for more Clinton neoliberalism
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:13 AM
Mar 2016

hype on 'free trade'.

Clinton spoke of change the way other politicians would talk about God or Providence; we could succeed economically, he once announced, “if we make change our friend.” Change was fickle and inscrutable, an unmoved mover doing this or that as only it saw fit. Our task—or, more accurately, your task, middle-class citizen—was to conform to its wishes, to “adjust to change,” as the president put it when talking about NAFTA.

The phrase that best expressed the feeling was this: “It’s a no brainer.” Lee Iacocca uttered it in a pro-NAFTA TV commercial, and before long everyone was saying it. The phrase struck exactly the right notes of simplicity combined with utter obviousness. Globalization was irresistible, the argument went, and free trade was always and in all situations a good thing. So good, it didn’t even really need to be explained. Everyone knew this. Everyone agreed.

One reason the treaty required no brains at all from its supporters is because NAFTA was as close to a straight-up class issue as we will ever see in this country. It “boils down to the oldest division of all,” Dirk Johnson wrote in The New York Times in 1993: “the haves versus the have-nots, or more precisely, those who have only a little.” The lefty economist Jeff Faux has even told how a NAFTA lobbyist tried to bring him around by reminding him that Carlos Salinas, then the president of Mexico, had “been to Harvard. He’s one of us.”


So NAFTA, the grandfather of free trade, was a no brainer, literally. It was not sold with logic or even economics. It was sold with marketing slogans and pseuo-logic.

The results of this ---

The predictions of people who opposed the agreement turned out to be far closer to what eventually came to pass than did the rosy scenarios of those 283 economists and the victorious President Clinton. NAFTA was supposed to encourage U.S. exports to Mexico; the opposite is what happened, and in a huge way. NAFTA was supposed to increase employment in the U.S.; a study from 2010 counts almost 700,000 jobs lost in America thanks to the treaty. And, as feared, the agreement gave one class in America enormous leverage over the other: employers now routinely threaten to move their operations to Mexico if their workers organize. A surprisingly large number of them—far more than in the pre-NAFTA days—have actually made good on the threat.

These results have never really shaken the self-assured “no-brainer” consensus. Instead, the phrase returns whenever new trade deals are on the table. During the 1997 debate over “fast track,” restricting the input of Congress in trade negotiations, Al From, the founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, declared confidently that “supporting fast track is a no-brainer.” For some, free-trade treaties are so clearly good that supporting them doesn’t require knowledge of their actual contents. The influential New York Times columnist Thomas Friedman, for example, still thought so when the debate was over an altogether different treaty. “I wrote a column supporting the CAFTA, the Caribbean Free Trade Initiative,” he told Tim Russert in 2006. “I didn’t even know what was in it. I just knew two words: free trade.”

Twenty years later, the broader class divide over the subject persists as well. According to a 2014 survey of attitudes toward NAFTA after two decades, public opinion remains split. But among people with professional degrees—which is to say, the liberal class—the positive view remains the default. Knowing that free-trade treaties are always for the best—even when they empirically are not—seems to have become for the well-graduated a badge of belonging.


http://www.salon.com/2016/03/14/bill_clintons_odious_presidency_thomas_frank_on_the_real_history_of_the_90s/

Brown is allowing non-reason to steer him away from the reality of the class-divide that free trade is about. He may be 'progressive' in some ways, but in this one, he is speaking the neoliberal party line.

I would say I am disappointed, but after so many this election season, I just don't care anymore. Neoliberalism is an antagonistic economic philosophy to progressive economic justice. Period.
 

juxtaposed

(2,778 posts)
3. If one would look back and compare one to the other one would see, Sherrod has always been
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:18 AM
Mar 2016

in line with Sanders and not HRC. It must be tuff for Sherrod to post such nonsense .

 

Carlo Marx

(98 posts)
5. Using hyperbolic language to disparage Sanders does not mitigate the economic damage of NAFTA.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:20 AM
Mar 2016

Nor does it exonerate Clinton from her decision to side with her rich donors against working people and the environment, again and again. Brown does himself no favors by shilling for the neoliberal masters of the universe. This is a big F you to working people. If Clinton so thoroughly knows the details of these trade agreements, all the more shame for her supporting them.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
7. I suspect someone is putting the screws to Brown
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:23 AM
Mar 2016

It seems to be happening a lot this primary season. I can't imagine who?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
8. Brown knows jobs are never coming back without trade.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:24 AM
Mar 2016

We may no longer make buggy whips, but we can make things other countries can't.

kennetha

(3,666 posts)
9. exactly
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:25 AM
Mar 2016

Plus he knows the difference between a workhorse, determined to make policy work in the real world, and blowhard who just spouts ideological blather from the sidelines.

Bernie Sanders: Too Good for the Real World

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
21. So what exactly do we make without the millions of jobs lost?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:59 AM
Mar 2016

Besides guns and bombs and other children's toys.

Most of the jobs created in the last 10 years have been low paying service jobs-most only part time with little or no benefits.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
28. Hello? Have you heard of Internet technology?
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 12:35 PM
Mar 2016

If you're talking about making things, then, yes, you're right, that way of life has been greatly reduced. But the IT sector is still going strong.
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NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
15. I'm a little surprised that SO FEW of Bernie's colleagues in the Senate have endorse him.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:21 AM
Mar 2016

I forget the exact total, but I do know that MORE senators have endorsed Hillary.

 

Ken Burch

(50,254 posts)
19. Bernie doesn't "reject trade"...nobody does...he rejects the unjust corporate approach
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:32 AM
Mar 2016

to trade. We don't have to accept being totally at the mercy of the 1% of trade. Why not push for a trade policy that DOESN'T force working people to try to grind each other into the dirt.

It's not as though TPP and NAFTA are the ONLY ways to have global trade.

 

DefenseLawyer

(11,101 posts)
20. Offshoring jobs is not trade
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 07:39 AM
Mar 2016

If someone in Vietnam catches shrimp and ships them to the United States, we are trading with Vietnam. If an American company that has a shoe factory in America, making shoes for the American market moves its factory to Vietnam to exploit cheap labor and ships its product back to the United States, that isn't "trade" with Vietnam. The only thing being traded is labor.

 

pdsimdars

(6,007 posts)
22. They are showing their true colors
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 09:58 AM
Mar 2016

For years people have been told certain things about certain people, and now, we are finding out where people really stand. Sherrod is supposed to be a progressive, that's been how he has talked. But look at this and his earlier endorsement of Hillary. . . he is obviously a closet corporatist.. When push comes to shove they aren't standing tall as progressives like Elizabeth Warren.
The lines are being drawn and they are on the wrong side.

Impedimentus

(898 posts)
23. Sherrod Brown wants to be Hillary's VP Pick - Almost Anyone Can Be Bought
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:01 AM
Mar 2016

Sherrod Brown, Howard Dean, Rachel Maddow, ... the list keeps getting longer and longer

 

vintx

(1,748 posts)
24. All this shows is how few people in govt have any integrity.
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:07 AM
Mar 2016

As others have pointed out Sanders isn't 'against trade' and it's sickening to see this kind of corporatist-friendly spin come from his mouth.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
26. Sheered Brown, I Used To Thin You Were On Our Side...
Tue Mar 15, 2016, 10:33 AM
Mar 2016

You have betrayed me just like Howard Dean and Barney Frank! AND so, so, so many others! Got Money? Will Move On Up! And so it goes.

Sorry, but it's just how I feel and the reason that I came to realize that THIS Democratic Party isn't the one I joined!

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