Hillary's John Lewis Moment (appears to be a sleazy campaign tactic)

[WhaTHellsgoingonhere]

Clinton Asks Where Sanders was During 1990s Health Reform; Video Shows Him Right Behind Her (see image)

http://m.democracynow.org/headlines/2016/3/14/44501

Is this an example of a GOP manufactured attack we've been hearing about this week?

[Chasstev365]

1. It Boggles the Mind

Do they really not check these things or do they cynically use the Rovian method of just repeating the lie enough so it sticks.

[Human101948]

2. I think you've named it for what it is...

Somethin's gotta stick. Keep shoveling the shit!

[GreatGazoo]

10. "throwing spaghetti at the wall to see how much sticks"

AKA Ad Nauseum

The propagandist technique of using the tireless repetition of an idea. An idea, especially a simple slogan, that is repeated enough times, may begin to be taken as the truth. This approach works best when media sources are limited and controlled by the propagator.

Trump uses the same technique but he combines it with Glittering Generalities and, because Trump's favorite thing to talk about is Donald Trump, it is usually to agrandize himself rather than tear down an opponent, eg "Make America Great Again"

[Dragonfli]

13. truth doesn't matter, it has to do with the "Big Lie" Strategy that Brock and the Clinton campaign

are using as a large tool in their dirty tricks box.

Joseph Goebbels: On the "Big Lie"

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

[pangaia]

17. Exactly... just an example from yesterday.

Driving home from work NPR.. doing interviews with Democratic voters in FL... who will you vote for?, etc.. the whole segment I heard was mind-numbingly dumb, but the answers of people voting for Clinton, were things like, 'she can get things done." "Bernie will never win the GE," Bernie is really only recently a Democrat,

It definitely works...

[Hoyt]

3. Sanders darn sure wasn't supporting her plan, he was pushing single payer that had no chance

back then, at all.

[Peace Patriot]

5. Then why did she write him a note thanking him for his health care support?

Surely you know about that.

And, for that matter, what's wrong with advocating for single payer WHILE helping Clinton to do at least something for the health care crisis?

Your view is so limited and so uninformed. You have no idea how legislation is written, how alliances are formed, how the interplay between Congress (where votes occur) and the White House (where new laws and new programs are discussed and proposed) works, how someone like Sanders can be helpful in that process even if he supports some other idea, how Clinton would be grateful for his help, and how Clinton was perfectly content to have him stand behind her in photographs regarding her proposal. You don't have a clue, either, of what Sanders may have learned in that process. He's a learner, you know, and a doer. He was more than likely learning much that will help him draft single payer next year and start the campaign to get it passed.

You're just sniping. Try to get informed. Try to learn. Try to do something useful.

[pangaia]

18. BRAVO! But you may be wasting your breath with that one,

or most others, for that matter.

[billhicks76]

7. Keep Dreamin

And spare us a nightmare please.

[A Simple Game]

9. Thanks for the chuckle this morning.

It slid right down the wall when Hillary flung it but you still thought you could get it to stick?

I'm still chuckling.

And a link to the single payer plan Bernie had back in the '90's would be nice.

And by the way, what's wrong with single payer?

[Cassiopeia]

15. Here's the video with the words coming directly from your candidate.

Thanks to Sanders, from Hillary

http://www.c-span.org/video/?c4536221/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-1993

[DhhD]

21. To Hoyt; Sanders was for presidential candidate Jesse Jackson's 1988 single payer healthcare plan.

In the early 90's the Clinton's changed up that Plan to a Hillarycare HMO Plan or limited healthcare. During that time Sanders tried to get Hillary to stay with single payer universal type healthcare and not move over to limited HMOs. The country agreed with Bernie Sanders then, as Hillary' HMO Plans feel apart and were not acceptable to Americans at all. Americans had no healthcare for so long that We the People had to accept third way insurance ran HMO's known as Obama/Hillarycare in 2010 just to get healthcare.

Don't you get it? People are very much opposed to paying deductibles and premiums to big insurances companies instead to single payer. Next Hillary will want us to pay a fee to Wall Street to run and print and send out our Social Security checks. Right now we have SINGLE Social Security. We need Single payer healthcare too. Cut out the fees and give-a-ways to corporations. Cut out the triangulation of the Clinton's hand over to corporate welfare.

[ejbr]

4. Even if she "misspeaks"

by misrepresenting her opponent, during a time when he stood by her, for political gain, this behavior is more palatable to her supporters than demanding fairness for all...or so it seems

[anothergreenbus]

8. Her supporters are characterized by

a general callousness and acceptance of ruthless politics. I've heard many time how we want a candidate willing to cheat to win because that is what it takes. Now think about that for a minute. Is that really what we want?

[Major Hogwash]

6. This kind of lie will come back to haunt her.

The same thing happened in 2008.

[NCTraveler]

11. I do think this was planned by Clinton.

In one comment she has Sanders supporters falling over themselves to paint a picture of Sanders in a support role behind Clintons leadership. She literally has Sanders supporters themselves making the same claim she makes every day on the trail.

[Cassiopeia]

16. Funny, I keep seeing the claim from the Clinton camp that She's the only Dem

in the race.

However it's been proven over and over again that Bernie has long stood and rallied with Dem's to fight for a progressive agenda. Hillary was right to fight for healthcare in the 90's. It was about all that admin did fight to change that was even slightly progressive though, but Bernie stood with them through it.

[NCTraveler]

19. Sanders is a career politician.

I have written here about how he has used the party to his benefit for decades.

[Cassiopeia]

20. His benefit

Funny how his benefit doesn't mean creating personal gain, but fighting for the progressive needs of the citizens of our nation.

A little different than the benefits the Clinton's have gained from the party.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. Let's look at who has benefited. Bill and Hillary say they were flat broke in 2000 and now, as if by

magic, Hillary has around 30 million dollars and Bill over 80 million. Over one hundred million bucks in 16 years flat. Some king hell benefits, fringe or otherwise, no matter how you slice it.

Jimmy Carter's net worth is about 7 million dollars. Jimmy was not born broke.

Reagan died with about 15 million, he'd been a movie star for years prior to office.

Benefits, and who used what to get them, tends to shake out in what Nate Silver calls 'the math'.

[NCTraveler]

25. I agree that the Clintons have benefited from the party.

Again, you are arguing against something I did not say.

GOTV!!!

[Gwhittey]

12. RAIN (Republican Except In Name)

So is it any wonder her and her followers do not cringe and her Rove like tactics. Hell they are all RAIN (Republican Except In Name)

[fbc]

14. She was still sending flyers with the auto bailout lie after it had been debunked

shameless.

[Bluenorthwest]

22. Here's Dolores Huerta in 2008 doing 'I never saw Obama, we don't know him':

"I have been a civil rights activist like this all of my life, and I have been to Chicago many times for many different campaigns that the community there —- the Latino community was there. I have, to this day, to meet Mr. Obama. I have never encountered him in any of these big campaigns that we have done in Chicago on different issues. And, as I say, I have never yet to meet the man.
But Hillary doesn’t live in Chicago. These people here actually went to see Obama, Senator Obama. So I don’t believe that he has that kind of courage and that kind of judgment. Or let’s say, is it judgment or is it wisdom or whatever? But he chose not to be associated with one of the biggest causes that we have in our community, the cause of Elvira Arellano, the cause of these two young men, where he could have stepped in. They were ultimately freed, by the way, but not with his help. So, I mean, I don’t know."
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/1/democratic_presidential_nomination_could_hinge_on

Dolores Huerta: “Como se llama” Obama?
http://www.salon.com/2008/01/19/huerta_obama/

So this 'I was there and he was not, we don't know him' routine is habitual template politics on that side. The question one must ask is this- were any of them right about Obama and if not why listen to them when they level the same bullshit against Bernie?

Krugman on the Hateful Obama Supporters of 2008- 'Hate Springs Eternal'
"I won’t try for fake evenhandedness here: most of the venom I see is coming from supporters of Mr. Obama, who want their hero or nobody. I’m not the first to point out that the Obama campaign seems dangerously close to becoming a cult of personality. We’ve already had that from the Bush administration — remember Operation Flight Suit? We really don’t want to go there again."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/opinion/11krugman.html

Paul is doing that template over again for Bernie as well. Here's Rebecca Traister, 2008 doing her Obama version of the material she now does about Bernie:
" Hey, Obama boys: Back off already!
Young women are growing increasingly frustrated with the fanatical support of Barack and gleeful bashing of Hillary.
http://www.salon.com/2008/04/14/obama_supporters/

The Bernie Bros vs. the Hillarybots
http://nymag.com/thecut/2015/11/bernie-sanders-bros-are-coming-for-the-hillary-clinton-bots.html

Here's Gloria Steinem in 2008 casting shade on younger women voting for Obama:
"What worries me is that some women, perhaps especially younger ones, hope to deny or escape the sexual caste system; thus Iowa women over 50 and 60, who disproportionately supported Senator Clinton, proved once again that women are the one group that grows more radical with age."
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/08/opinion/08steinem.html

Gloria Steinem: Young women back Sanders so they can meet 'boys'
http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/06/politics/gloria-steinem-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-boys/

I could do this all day and I have not even done Joan Walsh who is really a Big Star of Template Muckracking.

[countmyvote4real]

23. So this is where we are now...

Fucked by either Trump or Clinton.

[knight4444]

26. lost credibility

john lewis lost all credibility! hillary clinton? that ship sail long time ago.