2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDid Hillary admit her Iraq vote was a bribe?
From US Uncut:
During tonights Democratic town hall on MSNBC, Hillary Clinton shockingly defended her vote for the Iraq War as a favor for President Bush helping New York after 9/11. Around the 4-minute mark of the video below, Clinton admitted that she had a different set of experiences with George W. Bush than Sanders did, in response to Chris Matthews asking her why she was wrong on Iraq War while Sanders was right.
Im sitting there in the Oval Office, and Bush says to me, What do you need? And I said, I need $20 billion to rebuild, you know, New York, and he said, You got it. And he was good to his word, Clinton said in response to Matthews question on why Bernie Sanders was right on the Iraq War vote and Clinton was wrong.
Literally, that same day, I get back to the Capitol, and the Republicans are trying to take that money away. We kept calling the White House, Bush kept saying, I gave them my word, Im going to stick with it. So, you know, I had a different set of experiences.
http://usuncut.com/politics/hillary-clinton-iraq-war-vote-bribe-video/
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)October 10, 2002
While there is no perfect approach to this thorny dilemma, and while people of good faith and high intelligence can reach diametrically opposed conclusions, I believe the best course is to go to the UN for a strong resolution that scraps the 1998 restrictions on inspections and calls for complete, unlimited inspections with cooperation expected and demanded from Iraq.
Even though the resolution before the Senate is not as strong as I would like in requiring the diplomatic route first and placing highest priority on a simple, clear requirement for unlimited inspections, I will take the President at his word that he will try hard to pass a UN resolution and will seek to avoid war, if at all possible.
If we get the resolution and Saddam does not comply, then we can attack him with far more support and legitimacy than we would have otherwise.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)onecaliberal
(32,786 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts).
Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)In that same interview she explained how the Bush Administration told Congress that they wanted the resolution to use as leverage to force Saddam to allow full inspections. She mentioned the money in the context that Bush was good to his word up to that point and that's why she believed his intent with the resolution was to force Saddam to allow inspections. After 9-11, New York was going to receive an aid package for obvious reasons. Elections should be won on merit and not by out of context sleight of hand trickery.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)I watched it live. She was trying to explain why she trusted W (based on this prior dealing with him) and went along with him on Iraq. My guess is the story is a lie. Just before the part you quoted, she claimed that the Republicans had immediately agreed to money for the Pentagon after 9/11 but did not want to give New York City any federal money. This was 2 or 3 days after 9-11, when the mood was extraordinarily bi-partisan. The idea that the Republicans would have laid down across the tracks to deny federal money to NYC after 9/11 strikes me as preposterous.
I think Hillary knew that the picture of her and W from Nancy Reagan's funeral was circulating online and she went out of her way not to say anything against him. Tweety asked her if Bush and Cheney lied and she ducked the question. She claimed she thought Saddam had WMD but would not say who told her that.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Fla Dem
(23,591 posts)Matthews asked why she thought she could trust Bush with the Iraq War authorization bill. Her response was that her only dealings with Bush was when she asked for $20 billion for NYC after the 9/11 attack. He granted the request and continued to support her request even when there was Republican push back. Based on that, she felt his word was good and she she could trust that the US would expend all other options before military actions.
There was no bribe or quid pro quo.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Hillary's wanting us to believe she was green when she got to the senate...a babe in the woods...and Bush tricked her.
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)This depends on the timeline of events, but it sounded to me like she was saying that after 9/11, Bush asked what she needed and was good to his word, so she expected him to be true to his word on Iraq, not that the aid for NY was in exchange for her vote.
I don't have time to look right now because I am supposed to be working, but maybe there are some old news articles regarding a meeting she had with Bush before the Iraq war was being debated in Congress that would back that up?
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)here they are....grieving for renowned AIDS policy advocate Nancy Reagan
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heaven05
(18,124 posts)they look like newly reunited brother and sister....the corporatist and the tool of darth.......great photo....puts much into perspective for me....birds of a feather.
All in it together
(275 posts)If you get money from someone or a corporation for yourself or someone you work for, then you should trust whatever they say to be the truth. That explains how she came to believe what she believes: we can't have single payer healthcare, we should have the Keystone pipeline and the TPP, we should give G W Bush the ability to go to war with Iraq, we can't have free tuition at public universities, we have to frack, we have to keep college graduates in debt, we can't do much against climate change and we can't have much progress at all because those people told her so and they give money out.
Easily deluded or just plain corrupt?
MisterP
(23,730 posts)WDIM
(1,662 posts)She is fully onboard with the neocon policy of unending war by destablization and meddling in other countries.
The money she receives from the war industry will never buy back her soul. She is a war criminal and unfit to hold office.
Avalux
(35,015 posts)Taking a 20 billion $ bribe in exchange for her vote for war? Holy Cow.
She played it to the hilt too - her speech on the Senate floor was wrought with emotion as she said it was probably the most difficult decision she's ever had to make. Then she conflated Saddam Hussein with 9/11, WMDs, and said he must be stop (all neocon talking points). She decided to vote for the IWR because she trusted Bush to do the right thing.
This makes me want to puke...but also tells us that Hillary will do ANYTHING for money. That's why she won't release her transcripts.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)... what did she get and from whom in order to drag us into war in Libya?
Did the massive Saudi donations to the Clinton Foundation influence the decision?
LondonReign2
(5,213 posts)so that something (rebuilding NYC) would happen that was already going to happen?
THIS IS THE JUDGEMENT HER SUPPORTERS SO ADMIRE???
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)as unpleasant as that was, this is exactly how the shit works for real