2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWho won and who lost tonight ???
Winners;
Wall Street
The too big to fail banks
The military industrial complex
The millionaires and the billionaires
The global corporations
The health insurance industry
The pushers of 'free' trade
The fracking industry
The media
Losers;
The children
The elderly
College students
The poor
The working class
The unemployed
The underemployed
The underpaid
The disabled
The veterans
The unions
The teachers
The undocumented immigrants
Our country
Our planet
The United States has sold its soul to the highest bidders.
This country has no morals.
The country has no scruples.
I am ashamed and embarrassed of my fellow citizens.
You have squandered the greatest gift to be bestowed on this country in the last 53 years.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Dems seem to disagree.
Go figure.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Given a choice between a free cupcake and an electrical shock to the genitals...some portion of the population will always choose torture over reward.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Ron Green
(9,822 posts)Not taken by most, not even seen by many.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)I think most Dem primary voters are familiar with him.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)it was as a foil for Clinton (which it pretty much still is.) Most Democratic primary voters are dimly aware of him, or crossing over in open situations to vote for or against some Republican.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)I've been a Democrat since I registered on my 18th birthday. I've voted in nearly every election - I actually missed 2006 due to moving to a new state at an awkward point.
I support Bernie.
Would you like to try again?
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Because they participated in democracy?
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Hillary support is simply inexplicable. I cannot conceive how any person in their right mind could support her. She's literally bad for everybody except Lloyd Blankfein...and yet people vote for her against their own interests and wellbeing.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Had the longest stretch of peacetime in US history. Lowest Af-American unemployment rate in Us history. Appointed the 2 most liberal justices in US history. Taxed the rich. Grew manufacturing. And even left a budget surplus.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Economists now concede that job-creation had nothing to do with Bill's policies and everything to do with the tech bubble. Absent that, Bill's NAFTA was a net job destroyer since month one.
Creating low-income jobs while doing nothing to address the underlying causes of poverty is worse than nothing.
The "liberal justices" thing is a flat-out lie that will not die no matter how many times it's rebutted...Bill Clinton did not appoint Thurgood Marshall or William Brennan...those are the two most liberal SCOTUS justices of the 20th century.
Failed to roll-back the Reagan tax-cuts. Didn't do enough to tax the rich. No credit awarded.
I'll give him credit for growing manufacturing...my family wealth comes from manufacturing.
A surplus he achieved, in part, through welfare "reform" (read: theft from deserving recipients) is not a virtue but a vice.
Considered all in balance, I'm not sure it's enough to declare William Jefferson Clinton better than a mediocre President. We'd have been better off if a real liberal like Mario Cuomo had jumped into that race in 1992 and taken Bill out.
alcibiades_mystery
(36,437 posts)Winners: Wall Street!
Losers: The children.
It's like a fucking parody of itself!
dana_b
(11,546 posts)polly7
(20,582 posts)worry about sometimes washing up on beaches. That's not parody. Has she apologized for a single one of them?
dana_b
(11,546 posts)and keep pushing. Even if it seems hopeless, don't give up. If you've voted already, phone bank or face bank. If you haven't well then you have that to look forward to.
I'm very down but not out!!
We're not at the end of the revolution. We're at the beginning.
You'll know the end of the revolution when we get there because Americans lives will improve, Wall St will pay its fair share and there will be no more Clintons in the Democratic party.
Happenstance24
(193 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)k8conant
(3,030 posts)Beacool
(30,247 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)shadowandblossom
(718 posts)hack89
(39,171 posts)guaranteed a lot of disappointment.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)livetohike
(22,121 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)Skwmom
(12,685 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)It is far from only the Clinton supporters. Further, to be a Clinton supporter, one almost has to be informed witht he two and a half decade smear job and lies from the RW and then the Sanders campaign. Now, you want to talk about the uniformed? Let me tell you, the number of people I have come up on that is clueless about Sanders, his history, and what he has been proposing and how effective his policies could possibly be.
Skwmom
(12,685 posts)payer is the morally right and fiscally responsible thing to do. The current system is not fiscally sustainable. And I fully realize how the corporations have been allowed to feed at the public trough - and that both parties have allowed it.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)I know media has not vetted Sanders though.
taught_me_patience
(5,477 posts)This is the passive aggressive bullshit we've been taking for the last eight months.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... on some of these Bernie supporters.
The funny thing is ... a year ago, they were all trying to draft Elizabeth Warren to play the part of Savior in their little morality play.
She turned down the part, so Bernie decided to be her stand-in.
And so now, if you don't join them in thinking Bernie is "all that" ... you are a bad bad person.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)UglyGreed
(7,661 posts)You have squandered the greatest gift to be bestowed on this country in the last 53 years.
IMO media and propaganda is the cause.