Grace in defeat is a virtue. Would be so refreshing to see more of that from the Sanders folks.

[RBInMaine]

On the Hillary side, we are overwhelmingly graceful. When Bernie narrowly won MI, our side overwhelmingly congratulated Bernie and didn't start hurling out vitriol and delusional accusations about rigged elections or anything like that. It was what it was.

Hillary SWEPT all five primaries last night, but Bernie also had very respectable showings in two of them which were extremely close, so congratulations on his strong showings in MO and IL. Bernie congratulated Hillary, and so should his supporters. That is called grace and class.

Bernie will go on to win some more of the states, especially caucus states that have a process and demographics more favorable to his candidacy, and for this I will say congratulations ahead of time. But at the end of the day, Hillary will have much more raw vote (she has two million more votes now) and significantly more delegates.

The math just isn't on Bernie's side. Much as I like him, and have always said so, he will not be the nominee. He has done some amazing work coming from so far behind, but at the end of the day the party and nation won't accept a self-described European type socialist. I really like many of his sentiments, but he is too vague in how he is actually going to accomplish his goals and is promising things he knows he can't deliver at least anytime soon. They are great goals, and we should have big goals, but we also need some measure of realism and practicality as well. That is PROGRESS. If Bernie got the nomination, there would be endless and relentless attack ads of "SOCIALIST MASSIVE TAX AND SPENDER" which would crush him to smithereens. Hillary is much more battle tested and would be stronger in the general election.

[bobbobbins01]

1. More than half the delegates are still out there.

I guess math isn't your strong suit.

[Adrahil]

20. Lol... Case in point.

And speaking of math...... yeah, good luck with that.

[brooklynite]

22. Fair enough: based on the votes we've seen, where does Sanders win them?

The data now says that 1) Sanders does well in Caucus States; 2) does better in States which allow Independents; and 3) barely ties in midwest battleground States. Where's he going to win in big enough margins to offset Clinton's 300 delegate lead?

[Kentonio]

2. You're 'overwhelmingly graceful' are you?

Were you Hillary supporters 'overwhelmingly graceful' when you spent the last year calling us a bunch of racist, sexist infiltrators from the GOP or naive idiots who want free unicorns and rainbows? Was that an example of how 'overwhelmingly graceful' you all are?

You guys have spent a year burning every bridge you can see, and now you think you've got it wrapped up you're suddenly trying to rally the progressive vote. Yet even now, you still can't resist the urge to insult us and call us deluded. If Clinton does go on to win this, you have some seriously harsh realities to face as a result of the condescending and high handed attitudes you guys have displayed during this primary. Reap what you sow.

[Betty Karlson]

10. ^this^ and +1000

[ms liberty]

14. This. n/t

[marions ghost]

18. Reap what you sow

[TCJ70]

25. It's easy for them this time around because they lose nothing...

...by a Sanders nomination. It's not the same the other way around, though. On no issue is Hillary further left than Bernie except gun control. One issue...out of all of them...doesn't go in their favor if he's nominated.

[treestar]

27. It really is all about you isn't it?

Not the country. Perceived slights against you are far more important than anything else.

[Kentonio]

30. The country gets to continue its long ongoing slide to the right it seems.

More power to the corporations and the warmongers, more wealth to the wealthy, longer hours and less security for those most in need. That's what we have to look 'forward' to under another Clinton.

[treestar]

31. Not so at all

We could get out there and try to change congress for 2018.

Or even 2016 FFS. There is much that can be done

[Kentonio]

46. We?

We clearly have completely different opinions on what progress is, so why would we want to elect the same kind of people when our choice of leader is so very different?

[brush]

58. We're talking get dems elected to Congress to blunt Ryan and dems to the Senate . . .

to oust McConnell from majority leader and overcome the filibuster obstructionists

There is still work to be done for the country if Bernie doesn't get the nomination.

[treestar]

64. That's why you have to compromise on somebody

the voters aren't all alike. Still the congressional seats are important and you get the best you can there too.

[aikoaiko]

66. Why would we need to change congress when Hillary told us that she can get things done with Repubs?

[DisgustipatedinCA]

76. For my vote, yes, it really is all about me; no sleight intended.

But yes, I do vote in my own self-interest.

[farleftlib]

34. Abso-lutely. This poster demanded a congratulations thread the last Hillary victory. Demanded it.

There's no grace granted, so none will be forthcoming. BFD.

[vintx]

48. This shit isn't just limited to DU.

My own friends on facebook (Clinton supporters) have spent the last year trashing him and his supporters.

I wasn't brave enough to call them out, I just posted my pro-Bernie stuff and left the nasty bullshit to them. But I am so not surprised to see the same exact dynamic has played out here.

[merrily]

52. +1 Also, a sore winner is not the epitome of grace.

[brush]

56. There's been a awful lot of trashing of Hillary supporters during the last year

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Guess you've forgotten about the "Stockholm Syndrome" and "slave mentality" posts denigrating AAs as not knowing what's good for us and the many "Dolores Huerta is a liar" posts that I'm sure didn't sit well with Latino/a dems, just to mention three of the hundreds of posts from the Sanders' camp that have all but taken over DU.

[Kentonio]

59. Aside from those examples you mention, there has been a major difference.

The Bernie supporters have largely attacked Hillary the candidate. The Hillary supporters have largely attacked Bernie's supporters.

That's a really big difference and explains a lot of the anger you're seeing.

[malletgirl02]

70. Oh Please, don't act like

Clinton supporters were all innocent. Ponies and rainbows, Bernie Bros, Bernie Fans, a cult, hell there as even a post implying Bernie supporters were members of the Red Guard during the Cultural Revolution in China. Also Bernie supporters were also called racists and sexists.

[vintx]

74. This Latina knows D-O-lores Huerta was either lying or confused.

Do NOT try to speak for US. And FFS AT LEAST SPELL HER NAME RIGHT

[brush]

75. Sorry if you thought I was trying to speak for you. Not at all, just making an observation

IMO that "liar" charge was over-the-top and cruel, and there were many, as it seemed at most to be a misunderstanding because there were "english only" statements made.

And thanks btw, for the tip on the misspelling.

[Duckhunter935]

77. So true

That poster gas been so nice and graceful. Well those tactics will effect my vote.

[djean111]

3. Oh, sorry dude, I have seen the words "cockroaches" and "crawling back" used.

Overweeningly condescending and scolding lectures. "Mommy issues". "Misogynists".
Bridges in ashes.

[AZ Progressive]

4. Combined total population of states that have not voted yet: 140 million

Let those states be heard.

[vintx]

49. +1

[longship]

5. Grace? One might start by not presuming the nomination before the primaries are finished.

I believe I remember Hillary Clinton being quite specific on this topic... some eight years ago.

Let's see...

Ah yes! Here it is:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017339191

And as to who is more electable?
Here:

Hubris is not a very attractive attribute.

[Segami]

6. This must be a jumble puzzle...

I thought it was a post with a point.......I like puzzles! Keep em' coming!

[Darly314]

7. Sanders' ego trip hurts the party

He should drop out, instead, he fell in love with the cameras and kids who buy his unrealistic commercial candidacy. Party last, Bern's ego 1st. I wanted Harken in '90 but admired him for leaving the race, placing party first.

[Betty Karlson]

11. HIS ego trip? projection is a thing, people. eom

[Darly314]

8. Sanders' ego trip hurts the party

IF he cared about the party and the country, he would DROP OUT NOW!

[Betty Karlson]

13. Considering Clinton has net negative coattails, you are projecting - again! eom

[jfern]

9. So tone deaf

[Bonobo]

12. I didn't see you or other Hill supporters kicking or reccing this post for example. Why?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1501187

[DrDan]

35. I did not see it until now - just posted there

[aikoaiko]

15. You're side is not nearly as graceful as you think you are / nor your candidate

And I think people will remember that.

[TheCowsCameHome]

16. I love the Onion. Are you a senior contributor?

[FlatBaroque]

17. you should do hillary a favor and retire from the internet.

[Vinca]

19. I didn't just read what I thought I read.

"On the Hillary side, we are overwhelmingly graceful." Seriously? You're the last post I've read after a string of gloating posts. No, you're not overwhelmingly graceful. Your side won, you'll rub it in our faces for a couple of weeks, then you'll realize you can't win without us. Then you might be graceful.

[marions ghost]

21. Follow the money trail

into and out of the Clinton Foundation.

Be careful of what you're supporting.

[mythology]

23. Much like if you're cool you don't have to tell people you are

If you have to say how graceful you are, you probably aren't.

[cherokeeprogressive]

24. There isn't a single self-described "Hillzie" who would know grace OR class from Shinola.

Not one.

[Logical]

26. Oh FFS, you have to be kidding me. Please tell me this was a joke post. Nt

[beachbum bob]

28. reality is....supporters get upset when their people don't win, in 2008

Hillary supporters were doing and saying all the same type of stuff against obama and his people....its best to let most of it slide....the math is not obvious to many of them at this point.

[treestar]

29. As you can see

The people Bernie attracts are not interested in doing much but threatening to let the repub win and playing victim

[Pat Riots]

42. Hillary style grace and class in action n/t

[malletgirl02]

73. You are not helping your candidate.

You insult Bernie Sanders supporters, and yet you demand we vote for Clinton. No one is entitled to anyone's vote. I will vote for Hillary Clinton in the General, but after all the insults on this board I am not going to give her and of my Bernie Bro, cultist, rainbow pony money.

[Chan790]

32. I would not describe the Clinton supporters as "graceful"

Too many of your fellow Clinton backers called for an actual purge of Sanders supporters last night...which is not only tin-eared, it's pretty much the surest way to insure we remain oppositionally-defiant to your presumed nominee and continue to work for her defeat.

[LuvLoogie]

43. That's your problem. You are working for her defeat.

You rely too much on your anti-Hillary counter parts on the Right in open primaries. That's why you keep posting right-wing propaganda from sites like Breitbart, Twitchy and Newsmax.

Bernie's message is only viable in the Democratic party. If he means what he says, he will remain a Democrat and build relationships within the party.

[Chan790]

61. Uh...

✔ Never have I ever posted anything here or anywhere from Breitbart, Twitchy or Newsmax.

✔ The only people I see buddying-up to Conservatives are Clintonites; of course, that's not surprising. Hillary will steal an idea from anywhere--it's the only way to get ahead when you don't have any ideas of your own and a weathervane for a moral compass.

✔Bernie has no need to remain a Democrat. He's just the guy that lit the match on this revolution. It falls to us to point those cannons over and over to blow Clintonite infidels out of our party. (Note the tone...it's not your party or a collective "ours"...it's me-and-mine's-and-not-any-supporters-of-Clintons...we will run you out, in-time, along with your personality-cult queen Hillary.)

✔ You may have secured the nomination...and I am not certain of that...but you have definitively lost the war. The revolution is coming for corporatist scum and Clintonites in this party and it will continue to come in 2016 for both Hillary and bad Democrats like Debbie Wasserman Schultz, and it will come again in 2018 for midterms as we take aim to take-out bad Democrats, and it'll come again to primary Clinton in 2020 if she's the President. The winds favor this revolution.

If this wasn't clear...No Quarter, No Peace! now-and-forever for Clintonites. We will do what we need to, to hold the White House away from fascists and Republicans...but we will also do what we need to, to take this party back from Clintons, quislings to business interests, and their supporters.

[Trust Buster]

33. Hillary will pivot to the general now. The cameras will start disappearing from Sanders' events.

The less invested Sanders supporters will vote for the candidate they know will win. The donations will start declining precipitously. Past is prologue.

[kstewart33]

36. I expect that the total Democratic vote in the forthcoming primaries will decline.

On both sides. There is no conceivable way for Bernie to win, and that will depress his turnout. Same for Hillary, the winner.

Bernie should stay in. It will strengthen Hillary as a candidate if he does.

[Trust Buster]

39. I have no problem if Sanders stays in until the convention.

He has a right to spread his message. But, he should back off from attacking Hillary and stick solely to his message.

[morningfog]

37. I stopped reading at your claim of grace.

[farleftlib]

38. Grace in victory is more important - and you totally lack it.

This is the lowest of the Hillbots' antics so far and that is very, very low. Congratulations, you personify everything that is wrong with Hillary and her supporters. No class whatsoever.

[Trust Buster]

41. Have you totally missed the Sanders supporters statements ?

[SciFiRK]

40. Because we are not defeated.

I will not vote for Hilary. She used dog whistle politics against Obama and continues dirty tricks against Bernie. Wall Street money and she's a hawk. Lesser evil is still evil.

[Doctor_J]

44. Cool story bro. Here's a sampling from the greatest page and GDP right now

Hillary Clinton Sweeps Everything. She wins 5 out of 5.

Just to correct, Clinton netted a lot more than 54 delegates tonight

A complete demolition

MSNBC CALLS MISSOURI FOR CLINTON! SWEEP SWEEP SWEEP!

Hillary wins Missouri (At least 5 of those)

SWEEP!

Huh, MO just flipped for Hillary with 99% in (MSNBC calls "Apparent Winner" for Hillary)

But .. but ...what about those HUGE Bernie rallies

Hillary Clinton Is Now the Presumptive Democratic Nominee

And this doesn't even include the HRC group or the new hate site.

Do you even realize how full of shit you are?

[Jester Messiah]

45. If you think we're beaten, you've got another think coming.

We'll fight until the end. And if we lose, you'll still lose, because your Queen and her surrogates have alienated the votes she would need to put her over the top in the general. So we'll all go down together when we go.

[LWolf]

47. How predictable.

Yet another post denigrating Sanders supporters.

A few points:

1. There are still a lot of primary votes and delegates out there. We're not done.

2. Regardless of how the primaries go forward, this Sanders supporter is backing Sanders all the way to the convention.

3. Those who expect "graciousness" on my part in November might want to rethink the persistent denigration of me, and my fellow Sanders supporters.

[Lizzie Poppet]

50. My irony meter didn't just break...

...it actually exploded. Your side has been absolutely fucking toxic every time Hillary gets a boost. Examples displaying a modicum of grace have been thin on the ground. I've zero desire to rebuild the bridges they've burned.

[merrily]

51. Comedy gold, as always.

[Shadowflash]

53. ''On the Hillary side, we are overwhelmingly graceful.''

[Chan790]

62. +1

[Kelvin Mace]

54. Great advice

from the Vichy wing of the party.

[TeddyR]

55. Graceful

Is the LAST word I'd use to describe Hillary's supporters on this website. I believe the gloating/dishonest posts by her supporters have made it so that a lot of DU folks who might have voted for Hillary now will not

[Blue_Tires]

57. Good luck with that...

Many of them have gone on the record stating that they plan to defect to the Trump camp, which makes me wonder if they were ever Dems in the first place...

[Nanjeanne]

60. Grace in winning would be so refreshing. So sad we won't be seeing that.

[Todays_Illusion]

63. Bernie Sanders says he is in until the convention, I will be supporting Bernie Sanders until then

and possibly right up to November.

[ibegurpard]

65. get bent

You've been one of the worst

[polly7]

67. I love that saying.

Short and to the point!

[So Far From Heaven]

68. Why does this strike me as a case of hubris?

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

69. Is this another "poor Hillary" OP?

[Kittycat]

71. I know it's hard to believe,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511509595#post13

[CalvinballPro]

72. This is an interesting year for Clinton supporters. We get to feel like Obama supporters did in 2008

And it's especially ironic for me, because I was a Clinton supporter then, and now. I've voted for Obama twice since then, but I expected her to run again, and I'm glad she did.

[Duckhunter935]

78. Bernie supporters

Did not make another website to coordinate attacks here like the Hillary supporters did.